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Marge 08-04-2004 00:21

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 
As a female I believe in the womans right to choose however as I found out during my surgery days, some women chose to use terminations as a means of birth control which I found unacceptable. One woman in particular had at least 10 whilst I worked there and they were carried out on the NHS as far as I know. In the end the GP said enough was enough and he wouldn't refer her again and if she wanted yet another one she would have to pay for a private termination.

I'm not quite sure whether this is something that should be shown on TV but maybe it will show the reality of what happens and make some people consider birth control more seriously.

Xaccers 08-04-2004 01:05

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 
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Originally Posted by kronas
yes agreed, but there can be over suppressive people (men) who tend to try and make the decision go there way interms of aborting.......

And there are plenty of men out their who would dearly love to be fathers but their partners choose to terminate. I know.
Us men aren't the ones who have to carry for 9 months
Us men aren't the ones who have to go through the trauma of giving birth
Us men aren't the ones who have to put our lives on hold for years
Us men are the ones who have to do the decent thing and support our partners in whatever they choose.

kronas 08-04-2004 01:24

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
And there are plenty of men out their who would dearly love to be fathers but their partners choose to terminate. I know.
Us men aren't the ones who have to carry for 9 months
Us men aren't the ones who have to go through the trauma of giving birth
Us men aren't the ones who have to put our lives on hold for years
Us men are the ones who have to do the decent thing and support our partners in whatever they choose.


in my experiance of hearing cases, its usally the man..... im not suggesting that women dont do the same, but its more previlant in the man wanting the abortion, not all men stick by a pregnant women afraid of the responsability...........

Xaccers 08-04-2004 01:42

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 
Just out of interest Kronny, what do you know about the abortion process?
How it's done at each stage, how much it costs, what support there is?

kronas 08-04-2004 01:49

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
How it's done at each stage

i dont really know.


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Originally Posted by Xaccers
how much it costs

about £300 upwards, i think it depends on how late it is in to pregnency.....

(if your private)

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Originally Posted by Xaccers
what support there is?

that i dont know, i dont know if there is, i wonder if the NHS offer counselling......

carlingman 08-04-2004 02:15

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 
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Originally Posted by kronas
my apologies carlingman i know its a 'sore' subject for you, under your circumstances, but its worthy of a discussion IMO

Thanks kronas.

I did say originally I would take no further part but this some views in here really get at me.


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Originally Posted by Stuartbe
:sick: :td: :( :mad:

I think the above state my feelings on the subject....

Having lost a child to illness myself I find this thread very disturbing and will not be posting in it any further.

Thats all I have to say !

As above and agree.


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Originally Posted by Pierre
The subject of Abortion, as is highlighted above; is a very emotional subject for all.

I think in this instance C4 have overstepped the bounds of public interest and decency. I for one will not be watching.

Another cheap shot at publicitiy by C4.


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Originally Posted by Russ D
Is ch4 that short on original ideas that it resorts to this kind of sick programming? We all know abortions take place but it doesn't mean we have to agree or put up with it. I certainly do not want to see scenes of dead babies.

Kronas you have as much right to post here as anyone else but one day when you have kids of your own you'll know how upsetting viewing this sort of thing or even just posting a link to it is for us parents. This is a discussion forum and we talk about almost anything but that doesn't mean we have to feel comfortable about it.

Spot on Russ.

What makes it worse to me is the original poster creates the thread and then adopts a sort of post and run without any real discussion being brought by him.

I neither want to patronize anyone but this will not even be considered at the evenings viewing in this house as thatâ₠¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s what the change channel or off button is for.

Again I am not trying to be patronising but merely pointing out how distressing this very subject can touch a nerve or two.

I am not myself going to crawl or offer any apology as to my original comment as there no doubt will be many like myself who will be uncomfortable with this thread.

My opinion is my own and in no way am I trying to inflict that on others.


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Originally Posted by kronas
oh russ, lets not talk about the war because people find it disturbing, lets not talk about murder because people find it distressing, just because i have not been through something does not automatically discredit mine or anyone elses view, this topic can be discussed at any length, we talk about all topics on the forum, if it disturbs someone then DONT READ IT.

i think channel 4 are scaremongering people out of abortion, maybe trying to stir a media interest IN MY VIEW

also a foetus once it attempts to form is a sign of life initself

Utter crap m8.

No one here has tried to discredit your views but merely pointed out that when you experience these things your views will change.

On a whole most will experience at some point but do not and try kid us all you have been through it all.

At such a young age as yourself you have a lot to learn.


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Originally Posted by kronas
in my experiance of hearing cases, its usally the man..... im not suggesting that women dont do the same, but its more previlant in the man wanting the abortion, not all men stick by a pregnant women afraid of the responsability...........

Sorry your experience??

What experience???

Oh right in hearing cases you mean by that what you have read from google and such.

I think when you gain a bit more experience you will find it is a bit more than the man not sticking by the woman being afraid of responsibility.

Nothing personal kronas but you have a vast learning curve ahead of you called life.

And your last quotes below prove that


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Originally Posted by kronas
i dont really know.




about £300 upwards, i think it depends on how late it is in to pregnency.....

(if your private)



that i dont know, i dont know if there is, i wonder if the NHS offer counselling......


kronas 08-04-2004 02:26

Re: abortion under the spotlight.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlingman
What makes it worse to me is the original poster creates the thread and then adopts a sort of post and run without any real discussion being brought by him.

i have a life too you know, im not on here 24/7


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Originally Posted by carlingman
Again I am not trying to be patronising but merely pointing out how distressing this very subject can touch a nerve or two.

i stay away from the discussion (works fine)



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Originally Posted by carlingman
Utter crap m8.

your calling my view utter crap :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by carlingman
No one here has tried to discredit your views but merely pointed out that when you experience these things your views will change.

neither you or i can experiance the real pain of aborting, by having it done to you.

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Originally Posted by carlingman
On a whole most will experience at some point but do not and try kid us all you have been through it all.

how do you know ?

my sister went through it SO DONT GIVE ME THAT!!! :mad:

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Originally Posted by carlingman
At such a young age as yourself you have a lot to learn.

prove it i dare you ?



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Originally Posted by carlingman
Sorry your experience??

well it was a family member......

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Originally Posted by carlingman
What experience???

well my sisters.......

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Originally Posted by carlingman
Oh right in hearing cases you mean by that what you have read from google and such.

personal, news, documentries, and google.

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Originally Posted by carlingman
I think when you gain a bit more experience you will find it is a bit more than the man not sticking by the woman being afraid of responsibility.

you cannot deny it and tell me, men dont run away from responability of a child ?

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Originally Posted by carlingman
Nothing personal kronas but you have a vast learning curve ahead of you called life.

i learn everyday, somethings im good at others im not, you have no right to patronize me over a subject, because im willing to learn discuss with what i do know......

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Originally Posted by carlingman
And your last quotes below prove that

the real helpers are peopel who provide evidence, debsy42 pm'd me with a link to what the processes are, it made me a bit queezy, but i knew how hard it is for a women after reading all the proccedures available it pains me to say that a family member of mine HAD to go through of those proccedures :(


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