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Maggy 25-03-2004 00:11
Re: a 'disability' or not ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
that should be privately funded, why should other members of the public pay for someone elses child to get on to a accelerated learning program, in a private school ?

if the parents cannot achieve funding then simply moving them up a class or two can retain there sanity.........
A class or two? Some of these students would be five classes ahead of their peers which in turn brings another problem of say 12 year olds in with 16 year olds.Ooh I can see some problems with that.Some could even be at university level at say 12.

Stuartbe 25-03-2004 00:16
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What A crock of **** ... A child is the most fantastick gift that anyone could EVER be given. Full stop end of story.. I hope thay you never loose a child... Its like someone putting there hand in your chest and pulling out your heart....

If you have kids - Cherish them - Give them everything you can 100% all the way .. You may not get a second chance ... I didn't....

Dont blow it... Give them all you can before its too late !! I beg you !

kronas 25-03-2004 00:19
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Originally Posted by Stuartbe
Would you pay for your child to go to a school like that ???
if i was a Dr like that guy is cost would not be that much of a problem!!!

Stuartbe 25-03-2004 00:21
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If you ever have Kids Kronas you will understand .. Until then its not fair to expect you to understand !!

kronas 25-03-2004 00:22
Re: a 'disability' or not ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
A class or two? Some of these students would be five classes ahead of their peers which in turn brings another problem of say 12 year olds in with 16 year olds.Ooh I can see some problems with that.Some could even be at university level at say 12.
so what we fast track them ?

who pays for that now that students are expected to pay for UNI fees ?


if you want 'special' education for your child, then prepare to pay simple as that.....

how would you like it incog if i had a genius kid :shocked: and told you to pay for my sons tuition see the 'fair' approach there ?

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Originally Posted by Stuartbe
If you ever have Kids Kronas you will understand .. Until then its not fair to expect you to understand !!
if i ever :Yikes:

i do understand, but i dont expect others to pay for my sons fees no matter how gifted he is.........

its taking money away from people who really need it

Stuartbe 25-03-2004 00:25
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Its is our duty to give our children the absolute best that we can...!!!

I dont personaly give a **** how much it costs... I would want the best for my children wouldn't you ?

kronas 25-03-2004 00:27
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Originally Posted by Stuartbe
Its is our duty to give our children the absolute best that we can...!!!
well yes thats obvious

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuartbe
I dont personaly give a **** how much it costs... I would want the best for my children wouldn't you ?
so you want to be selfish and take funds away from wheelchair autistic paraplegic etc disabled children to fulfill your selfish stance, just because your kid is a genius or has a high IQ, very good of you :rolleyes:

ZrByte 25-03-2004 00:29
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Do we actually know how clever this Girl is anyway? Is she actually Genius material or is she just Bright and its all been blown out of proportion?

danielf 25-03-2004 00:45
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Originally Posted by ZrByte
Do we actually know how clever this Girl is anyway? Is she actually Genius material or is she just Bright and its all been blown out of proportion?
Having not read through the entire thread, I think that's a very good point. The girl was described as such:

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Caroline is said to have a high IQ and a special talent in science and mental maths.
There is no mention of the girl being exceptionally intelligent...

We could well have a case of an overly ambitious parent at our hands.

carlingman 25-03-2004 00:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
well yes thats obvious



so you want to be selfish and take funds away from wheelchair autistic paraplegic etc disabled children to fulfill your selfish stance, just because your kid is a genius or has a high IQ, very good of you :rolleyes:

Personally i think you have taken Stuarts post out of context.

Notice he said its is our duty not the states duty not governments duty but our as in his duty paid out of his own pocket.

An to reiterate Kronas until you have a child and lose a child or even endure the suffering of your partner having a miscarriage or two you cannot begin to understand what that is like.

Although Stu came pretty close when he said it is like someone sticking a hand through your chest and ripping out your heart.

:angel:

Flubflow 25-03-2004 00:55
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If a state school cannot provide for the needs of a an exceptionaly gifted child then it would be a complete waste for averyone if something is not done about it.
We are not talking about snobby parents merely wanting what is best for their child. We are talking about what the child needs and what is best for the common good. If the UK goverment wants to nurture another potential Einstein then, if they have no provision at the moment to do so in the current system, they would be fools if they did not help make it happen.
Some of you lot are just thoughtless and jealous or both. Unless you happen to have a very gifted child then you will never know the anguish and worry as to whether the child is going to suddenly go off the rails because they are not being satisfied with the kind of education that they crave for.

I have an exceptionaly gifted nephew and his teacher has never seen anyone like him in all her years of teaching. He is currently in a class that is two years ahead of where he should normally be and he is still left wanting. His parents are quite stunned by all this because they hardly have an o'level between them (so it is not something that has been drummed into the child at home). His parents could not possibly afford to pay to send him to a school that makes provision for such intelligent children.

If you nay sayers think that such children should be held back because that is they way the system is and the way it should be for everyone then you are exceptionally ungifted and perhaps you need to do some research on the subject.
Our state schools cater only for the average yet if we can find millions of pounds for all the various lower levels special needs then we should perhaps pump a few quid more into the system to help the higher special needs.

homealone 25-03-2004 01:02
Re: a 'disability' or not ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flubflow
If a state school cannot provide for the needs of a an exceptionaly gifted child then it would be a complete waste for averyone if something is not done about it.
We are not talking about snobby parents merely wanting what is best for their child. We are talking about what the child needs and what is best for the common good. If the UK goverment wants to nurture another potential Einstein then, if they have no provision at the moment to do so in the current system, they would be fools if they did not help make it happen.
Some of you lot are just thoughtless and jealous or both. Unless you happen to have a very gifted child then you will never know the anguish and worry as to whether the child is going to suddenly go off the rails because they are not being satisfied with the kind of education that they crave for.

I have an exceptionaly gifted nephew and his teacher has never seen anyone like him in all her years of teaching. He is currently in a class that is two years ahead of where he should normally be and he is still left wanting. His parents are quite stunned by all this because they hardly have an o'level between them (so it is not something that has been drummed into the child at home). His parents could not possibly afford to pay to send him to a school that makes provision for such intelligent children.

If you nay sayers think that such children should be held back because that is they way the system is and the way it should be for everyone then you are exceptionally ungifted and perhaps you need to do some research on the subject.
Our state schools cater only for the average yet if we can find millions of pounds for all the various lower levels special needs then we should perhaps pump a few quid more into the system to help the higher special needs.
it is happening

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ZrByte 25-03-2004 01:07
Re: a 'disability' or not ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flubflow
If a state school cannot provide for the needs of a an exceptionaly gifted child then it would be a complete waste for averyone if something is not done about it.
We are not talking about snobby parents merely wanting what is best for their child. We are talking about what the child needs and what is best for the common good. If the UK goverment wants to nurture another potential Einstein then, if they have no provision at the moment to do so in the current system, they would be fools if they did not help make it happen.
Some of you lot are just thoughtless and jealous or both. Unless you happen to have a very gifted child then you will never know the anguish and worry as to whether the child is going to suddenly go off the rails because they are not being satisfied with the kind of education that they crave for.

I have an exceptionaly gifted nephew and his teacher has never seen anyone like him in all her years of teaching. He is currently in a class that is two years ahead of where he should normally be and he is still left wanting. His parents are quite stunned by all this because they hardly have an o'level between them (so it is not something that has been drummed into the child at home). His parents could not possibly afford to pay to send him to a school that makes provision for such intelligent children.

If you nay sayers think that such children should be held back because that is they way the system is and the way it should be for everyone then you are exceptionally ungifted and perhaps you need to do some research on the subject.
Our state schools cater only for the average yet if we can find millions of pounds for all the various lower levels special needs then we should perhaps pump a few quid more into the system to help the higher special needs.

This is slightly different though, these parents arnt in the position to pay for this at all.
The parent in this case ( a Dr of all things ) seems to be able to pay for the education of his child yet for some reason thinks we should aswel.

I do agree that genius children should have the opportunity of the best education possible, however I think this should only be payed for by the Gov'mnt if the parents cant afford it.

Stuart 25-03-2004 01:10
Re: a 'disability' or not ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by monel
While I accept that in a better world,we would find a way to inspire and fund above average or gifted kids,I would have to say that this child has no claim to special funding in any way.

As the father of a special needs child(my son is autistic with severe hyperactivity and learning disability) i would have to say that I would like for my son to get the special support that he requires,which has been an ongoing battle regarding resorces for the past 5 1/2 years.
I dont want to sound like a winer who wants to sponge society for stuff,but I do feel that we must cater to the needs of kids with accepted disabilities before we pander to the children of "above average" abilities.
I would say however that it is the job of our wonderful government to get off their collective backsides and do something to fund our children ....of all abilities,as they are the future of our society and often the most forgotten.
Excellent post. And I totally agree.

I thought the basic idea of Special Needs teaching is to ensure everyone gets a basic education. Surely, if councils have to pay for some kids to go to private school because they are too bright, then (what with budgets being limited) the people who geniunely need extra education will suffer?

kronas 25-03-2004 01:13
Re: a 'disability' or not ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scastle
I thought the basic idea of Special Needs teaching is to ensure everyone gets a basic education. Surely, if councils have to pay for some kids to go to private school because they are too bright, then (what with budgets being limited) the people who geniunely need extra education.
yes exactly, i hear people crying 'you dont understand' 'untill you have had a kid' blah blah ofcourse i do, i understand more then people realise, if i was in the same situation i would pay out of my own money to fund my childs 'special learning procedure' not ask the state to give me a handout, its like asking someone else to pay my council tax :spin:


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