Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34107487)

Hmmm interesting......
It's either that or Smith is making a speedy recovery.
We will find out tomorrow, what time is the transfer deadline ?

Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34107597)

looks like once again Man U are missing out on two of the players we need to get for the future.. can't see why we pushed the boat out for Hargreaves and let both of these two slip by.. not hope the story on Teves' website isn't true

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34107552)

Talk about a shock!!!

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34107647)

Apparently we tried to sign Mascherano in January, I never thought we would though :tu:

Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34107668)

the thing is we need a striker now and we can get them cheap because of all the probs at Corinthians.. surely now is the time to get them not after they have played in the prem for a season and doubled their price

Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34107668)

the thing is we need a striker now and we can get them cheap because of all the probs at Corinthians.. surely now is the time to get them not after they have played in the prem for a season and doubled their price

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34107675)

They won't be cheap its all to do with MSI who own the rights to the players. Funnily enough one of the bosses at MSI also tried to form a take over of West Ham.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34107743)

"Own the rights" - what's next? Arbitraging futures in Hedge Funds about footballers?

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34107814)

HOLY ****ING ****!! Its not a loan...

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34107851)

Lucky escape for the Welsh squad me thinks. :erm:

Linky

Makes you wonder, what "object" could possibly be floating around so high up there in the first place. :disturbd:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34108199)

All that West Ham would say is that the deal for both players is permanent, although it is understood that the package could eventually cost them an eye-watering £60 million.

That is highly unlikely as, in return for paying a small fee for the players and covering their wages now, West Ham have agreed to hefty sell-on clauses in the event of one of the bigger clubs in the Premiership, or on the continent, making a bid. It is believed that if a £30 million bid for either is tabled, then West Ham must sell or pay Corinthians the same amount to keep them.

In return, West Ham will also get a small percentage of any sell-on fee. Corinthians are also understood to have negotiated an option to buy them back at the same price West Ham have paid.

This is the deal according to the Telegraph...

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34108199)

This is the deal according to the Telegraph...

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34108270)

there could be a takeover imminent

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/5306356.stm

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34108914)

Yet there is NO mention of the other home nation results in arguably some of their most important games for some time - a disgrace and another example of the English favoritism in the so called UK.

Pathetic!

Originally Posted by bbc

England crush poor Andorra
Scotland 6-0 Faroe Islands
Czech Republic 2-1 Wales

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34108918)

Hmm, this is the sports section of the front page atm (15 mins after your post)

Originally Posted by Russ D (Post 34109023)

TBR - do you honestly expect anything different from the media?

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34109047)

Hang on here, the fact that the English game was shown on bbc 1 is because more people want to watch England. And after the Englang match i also seen on every bit of news that they reported, they mentioned the other games. Stop been so pathetic if the was a mass market for scotland or wales then they would have to show it, there isnt so they just do a quick report.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34109047)

Hang on here, the fact that the English game was shown on bbc 1 is because more people want to watch England. And after the Englang match i also seen on every bit of news that they reported, they mentioned the other games. Stop been so pathetic if the was a mass market for scotland or wales then they would have to show it, there isnt so they just do a quick report.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34109047)

Hang on here, the fact that the English game was shown on bbc 1 is because more people want to watch England. And after the Englang match i also seen on every bit of news that they reported, they mentioned the other games. Stop been so pathetic if the was a mass market for scotland or wales then they would have to show it, there isnt so they just do a quick report.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109079)

snippety snip snip snip

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34109083)

What have you actually done about it then ? Complained to your regional channel ? Thought not ! :rolleyes:

As a side note:

In 30 minutes time Match of the day has a live game on.........Brazil v Argentina.

Now I don't know many Brazilians, or Argentinians either, so why are they on live tv ? And a friendly at that ! It's simple, supply and demand, people want to watch them. In all seriousness, Scotland are a mediocre pub side, at best. And Wales are not much better.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109079)

That wasnt my point, i was refering to the BBC website, however it raises another point, the BBC has regional variations like BBC Wales, Scotland, Ireleand etc.

So why are the regional games not shown on the regional channels?

The fact is people in England winge about how people from Scotland, Ireland, Wales, France, Holland, Germany etc. etc. dont like them, and then when you tell them why they act like pedantic and try to laugh at you.

Its a shame really as it can be fixed with a simple change in attitude but some people just dont care so the resentment continues to build.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34109105)

Raise the issue with the bbc then and the website you were talking about was on the front page off bbc at aprrox 11.50 in order of england , scotland and wales. If you think there is a problem then you start your own tv station showing the matches and other stuff, no i thought not.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34109105)

If you think there is a problem then you start your own tv station showing the matches and other stuff, no i thought not.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109079)

So why are the regional games not shown on the regional channels?

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34109147)

50 million people live in England
10 million people live in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales.

Wouldn't be unequal if NI,S,&W got the same coverage as England?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109079)

That wasnt my point, i was refering to the BBC website, .

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109160)

Completely irrelevant point..

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34109083)

In 30 minutes time Match of the day has a live game on.........Brazil v Argentina.

Now I don't know many Brazilians, or Argentinians either, so why are they on live tv ? And a friendly at that ! It's simple, supply and demand, people want to watch them. In all seriousness, Scotland are a mediocre pub side, at best. And Wales are not much better.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34109161)

mmmmm... some dichotomy there, methinks.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109169)

Not really, my original point was raised in relation the the Website, shawty then raised a second point regarding the television Bias (post #233) and i then started to discuss this secondary point as well as it was relevant to my original post.

If your going to post in a thread at least do us the favor of reading the relevant parts first before making comment.

Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34109167)

It'll be the best football they will see up there this season :)

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34109194)

The Scotland game was on Sky...

Originally Posted by BBC Sport

A legal case in Portugal may have an impact on Manchester United, Arsenal and Celtic's Champions League fixtures.

Group rivals Benfica and Porto could be kicked out of the compeition because of the actions of another club side.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109401)

Now you know why some people hate the English...

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34109426)

Over the media? Seems a really small thing to hate a whole country for. I mean, I hate bagpipes...does that mean I should hate the whole population of Scotland for making them "popular"? ;)

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109437)

Ireland did too, its a preconception that it was only Scotland that played the bagpipes.

I wasnt referring to the media, i was referring to the reaction of some people on here when confronted with an obvious bias in favor of a certain country despite it supposedly being a British organisation. Its almost like its being taken as an attack on England, with people getting offensive and not even taking the time to understand the reasons why the subject is being brought up in the first place and formulating informed responses instead of attacking Scotland, its team or its similarly trated neighbours.

Very immature.

I presented reasons why its annoying and showed that its persistant and not just a World Cup fad, i then stated ways that the BBC could very easily rectify it and then went about trying to show why some people could hate English people because of they way that they treat people when faced with the evidence as has been shown here.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109437)

Ireland did too, its a preconception that it was only Scotland that played the bagpipes.

I wasnt referring to the media, i was referring to the reaction of some people on here when confronted with an obvious bias in favor of a certain country despite it supposedly being a British organisation. Its almost like its being taken as an attack on England, with people getting offensive and not even taking the time to understand the reasons why the subject is being brought up in the first place and formulating informed responses instead of attacking Scotland, its team or its similarly trated neighbours.

Very immature.

I presented reasons why its annoying and showed that its persistant and not just a World Cup fad, i then stated ways that the BBC could very easily rectify it and then went about trying to show why some people could hate English people because of they way that they treat people when faced with the evidence as has been shown here.

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34109445)

Just because you think its "obvious bias" and media-racism, doesn't make it so. And just because people have differing opinions to you, and are willing to back them up with reasoned arguments, no matter how much you don't like them, doesn't make them immature. In fact I think its more the other way. Stop stamping your feet because people don't agree with you.

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34109447)

That's why I said popular, instead of invented ;)

If someone had posted a thread in a similar vein to your world cup thread, but about Scotland, how would you have reacted? Wouldn't you have seen that as an attack? You might want to think about the content of your posts next time if you did not like the response.

Very immature.

It has been pointed out then and now, that we cannot do anything, the English people are not the media. Set up a petition, march on London, just do something about it!

I think Foreverwar is a Scot, so not all the responses are from the English ;)

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109474)

I've not seen any opposing arguments, all i have seen is slander.

Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34109047)

Hang on here, the fact that the English game was shown on bbc 1 is because more people want to watch England. And after the Englang match i also seen on every bit of news that they reported, they mentioned the other games.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34109147)

50 million people live in England
10 million people live in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales.

Wouldn't be unequal if NI,S,&W got the same coverage as England?

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34109173)

I did - but you seem to be avoiding the fact that 10 times more people live in England than in Scotland, and the news reflects this - just like in the English news, a higher percentage of reporting comes from the South of England, and in the Scottish news, a higher percentage comes from Glasgow/Edinburgh - but I don't get upset about it.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109474)

My World Cup thread never slagged England off, it merely states exactly when England would go out and what was wrong with your squad and that i would have prefered anyone but England to win it due to the bias of the English media.

Again, please understand the point before jumping in.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Setting up a petition or marching on London would only allow the media to twist it as an attack on the English people, who would be quite gullable to such a ploy given the responses on here.

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34109519)

Like...

Snip...

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34109528)

...and can I just state that I have never slated the Scots on this forum. What has annoyed me was your attitude towards us, like we were to blame for what the media does.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34109537)

So wasnt the Scotland game not shown on BBC Scotland? If not then I'd agree that thats out of order.
I don't have Sky and am peeved off that the only place i can see the Wed game is at the pub :(, so if thats the case I know how you feel.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34109539)

Well thats not on then. I was under the impression that regional BBC showed the match that appealed to the country they are showing it in. I'd be very peeved off if i was a scotsman on Saturday (especially if i didnt have sky).

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34109447)

If someone had posted a thread in a similar vein to your world cup thread, but about Scotland, how would you have reacted? Wouldn't you have seen that as an attack? You might want to think about the content of your posts next time if you did not like the response.

Very immature.

It has been pointed out then and now, that we cannot do anything, the English people are not the media. Set up a petition, march on London, just do something about it!

I think Foreverwar is a Scot, so not all the responses are from the English ;)

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109534)

The Scotland game was on at 3, the England Game at 5 and the Wales game at 7: (15 or 45).

All of them could have been shown by the BBC IN those regions or back to back on BBC 1 nationally. Instead the England game gets shown nationally, in ALL regions and no other game does.

In the event it wasnt too bad because Sky picked them up, which is Ok for me as i have Sky and the sports channel needed to view it (a subsciption service) but what about the millions that dont and still pay their fees? I suppose we souldnt care about them...

The amount of people represented by those countries as i aready explained is irrelevant as we all pay our fees and this is the BRITISH broadcasting company, not the English broadcasting company and who's charter is :-

"To provide, as public services, sound and television broadcasting services (whether by analogue or digital means) and to provide sound and television programmes of information, education and entertainment for general reception in Our United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man and the territorial waters thereof."

It says nothing about proportional representation.

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I resent that - i have been VERY careful in what i have said and have not once to my knowledge personally attacked or even said anything deflamatory about the English people.

That was not my intention and if i did come accross that way i appologise now.

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 34109548)

If the match was on Sky, wouldn't that mean that the BBC didn't have the rights to show it then? Sky had them?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109534)

In the event it wasnt too bad because Sky picked them up, which is Ok for me as i have Sky and the sports channel needed to view it (a subsciption service) but what about the millions that dont and still pay their fees? I suppose we souldnt care about them...

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34109445)

Just because you think its "obvious bias" and media-racism, doesn't make it so.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34109556)

The BBC don't even have the right's for Scotlands home games
http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...rt05/50-53.txt

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109585)

That refers to the loss of the SPL matches to Setanta not the Scotland matches.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34109591)

'Television rights were secured for the CIS Cup, Scotland’s away World Cup fixtures', no mention of home matches there

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34109551)

Correct, which means you can't kick up when they don't show the amount of Scottish broadcasting that you'd like.

You have your own dedicated BBC channel, is that really not enough? If you didn't like football, would you really be moaning?

Originally Posted by punky

Obviously not that careful, you seem to like calling us racist. Don't really need to apologise to me as I don't really care, but if I was broadcasting or other media, i'd be more than upset at your comments, to which an apology might not sort.

Originally Posted by orangebird (Post 34109604)

Isn't TV all about ratings? I assumed that's why BBC showed the England game - purely because more people will tune into that than the Scotland or Wales game. :shrug:

Originally Posted by orangebird (Post 34109604)

Isn't TV all about ratings?

Originally Posted by Russ D (Post 34109608)

Not really, that's why we have regional variations for certain events.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34109612)

How hard is this to understand ! :rolleyes:

If sky has the rights to certain live games, there is nothing anyone can do, apart from either paying a subscription or nipping down to the local to watch it. It isn't just Scotland and Wales, England are also on Sky on wednesday night. I cannot watch the game, as I don't have a subscription to Sky, or cable.

I just accept this is the way things are done, why can't the moaning buggers accept this too. :rolleyes:

I will just catch the highlights at some point, and in the meantime rely on radio for a live broadcast. It's better than nothing.

You can moan as much as you like, but if Sky has the rights, there's bugger all you can do.

Originally Posted by orangebird (Post 34109611)

Events such as? I wouldn't consider news, weather and the odd dreadful soap 'events'... :erm:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34109612)

How hard is this to understand ! :rolleyes:

If sky has the rights to certain live games, there is nothing anyone can do, apart from either paying a subscription or nipping down to the local to watch it. It isn't just Scotland and Wales, England are also on Sky on wednesday night. I cannot watch the game, as I don't have a subscription to Sky, or cable.

I just accept this is the way things are done, why can't the moaning buggers accept this too. :rolleyes:

I will just catch the highlights at some point, and in the meantime rely on radio for a live broadcast. It's better than nothing.

You can moan as much as you like, but if Sky has the rights, there's bugger all you can do.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109609)

Gold Mine!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...24/sport.shtml

Snippet:-



Absolutely no mention of any other Home nation... OUR money so people can watch England while the rest of the Home nations have to pay to watch our teams.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34109616)

I think the point trying to be made is that the BBC has only successfully bid for England home games. This peeves off a lot of scottish, welsh and irish license fee payers, as it does england fans who have to watch away games on sky.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109609)

Gold Mine!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre...24/sport.shtml

Snippet:-



Absolutely no mention of any other Home nation... OUR money so people can watch England while the rest of the Home nations have to pay to watch our teams.

<snip>

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34109623)

And I'm peeved at not being able to watch England, whether that's home or away, the venue matters little to me. I can't watch England because Sky has the rights, I accept this, I'm not happy about it, but I accept it.

Originally Posted by orangebird (Post 34109627)

err, it does mention Wales' game on the 5th, being broadcast on BBC3 and BBC Two Wales... :erm:

Originally Posted by orangebird (Post 34109627)

err, it does mention Wales' game on the 5th, being broadcast on BBC3 and BBC Wales... :erm:

Originally Posted by Russ D (Post 34109629)

Neither are mainstream channels for the UK though.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109628)

The BBC, as was pointed out above, secured the rights to Englands home and away matches on your behalf.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109628)

The BBC, as was pointed out above, secured the rights to Englands home and away matches on your behalf.

No mention of the other home nations though, seems they forgot about us.



OB, you keep doing this hun and im sorry but...

Brazil is not in Europe and will not be participating in Euro 2008 im afraid.

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34109632)

Erm.......they secured the Highlights not live footage.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34109637)

Good spot there... Better than nothing i suppose eh and you still ahve all those home matches to look forward too.