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I think that is what he wanted all along, this Rooney thing was just a convenient excuse, looks like the spoilt brat has got his own way again :mad: :td:

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what's even worse is that he's said i'll go to either Barca or Real.. surely it's up to those clubs to choose if they wan him.. would love it if no one ended up going for him but can't see that happening

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I am sure Barcalona said they would not be buying anyone else after they signed Gudjohnson, obviously that is not set in stone however it does give an indication to their intentions. Only one of the four candidates up for presidency said they wanted him at Real, I think the guy that won it has targeted Febregas and Robben as transfer targets, therefore it was one of the losers that wanted Ronaldo so it could well turn out to be Man Utd's headache, which for once I would have every sympathy for.

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mmmmm - rock and hard place.
Dislike Ronaldo, sympathy for Man U
:angel:

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what's so annoying is that once again a player has said i'm leaving and now there is nothing the club can do about it.. after all that investment and money they have given him as well as helping him improve as a player now he's said he wants to go he will be off

they might as well not have contracts for all the worth they are

would be good if Man U said you are in the reserves but unfortunately that won't happen

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we are in enough trouble at united without loosing another midfielder. we are supposed to be buying in new midfield not loosing it. who do we play next season now. fletcher wide right and giggs and o'shea in middle again. !!!

Aaaaaa get the cheque book out fergie.

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Looks like he is going on strike unless he gets his move, delusions of grandeur or what, on the plus side though if Milan get relegated, Man Utd are going to move for Gattuso and Pirlo.

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Heh, and yet a few days ago he was saying that there were no problems between himself and Rooney, and that they were the best of mates sending each other love letters via SMS, yada yada yada.

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To be honest, good riddance (and not because of the Rooney incident either, before you say anything). His play is just so infuriating.

He is touted as this wonderkid, yet he only ever has one or two good games per season.

He is one of those players who, when faced with the choice of run through a wall of 3 opposing players or keep possession and either go around or pass to a teammate, will automatically go for the first choice and hope he gets a freekick. Majority of the time he won't get it and then kneels there pouting. :knock:

Everyone goes on about how is only a kid. He's 21 now! There does not appear to be any improvement from his first game!

You can guess that I won't be sad at his leaving.

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If A.F wants to teach him a lesson then he should put the prat on the bench for the rest of his contract. I'm sure he can be useful as a waterboy.

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we'd all love to see that but what with his a wages and the fact that we'd lose out on 20m plus transfer money means it won't happen

as mal said his actual play ins't that great.. he has lotsof tricks but then fails to beat the final man and loses the ball or never delivers a killer pass either.. he's not a proper winger and has never been a replacement for Beckham something we still need

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Great article in the Times on July 6th (and in their online version)

Full article
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...6-2258469.html

funniest bit (imho)

Ronaldo might be custom-built to get up the noses of all the followers of English football. He is good-looking in a gloriously smarmy, Italian-waiter fashion and is seriously vain about this. He has the air of a man who thinks that the world in general, and football in particular, not only owes him a living but also a perpetual gratitude at being privileged to know him.

He is distinguished more than anything else by his use of the stepover, a showy and †� occasionally †� effective footballing ploy. Someone once claimed that he set a world record for stepovers in a single match †� 504 †� beating the previous record of eight.
He has become the Violet Elizabeth Bott of football: Give me the ball and if you take it away Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢ll scream and scream until Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m sick †â€ÂÂÂ� and I can.

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LOL dont ya'just hate him!! :D

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the little s**t has now said he doesn't mind staying as Man U won't let him go anyway

i'm just hoping to see the back of him he's shown over the past few days he has no commitment to the club whatsoever

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?H...e&f=rss&clid=1

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Your having a laugh aint you - he wanted to go because the bitter English were going to kick the living squit out of him and by the look of some of the posts on here he'd be right too.

Man U didnt exactly jump to his defence did they?

No wonder he wanted to leave and now you turn on him because Man U force him to stay.

You lot are twisted.

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:erm: Your point being

the sky is blue
the grass is purple
Ronaldo dives
CF members are twisted

spot the odd one out :D

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Ronaldo has shown that all he cares about is himself.. he's already come out and said i'm off to Real or Barca and now when Man U have said no you aren't we are going to keep you he's now come out with another comment to try and please the fans saying i love man u and want to stay

it's all the usual sort of rubbish you get from footballers and he doesn't mean a word of it..

what do you think he would say if Real offered 100m for him and Man U accepted it ?

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Im happy to go?

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We could have a whip-round and try and find out ;)

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What defence should Utd have jumped to?

As was pointed out previously, he was playing for Portugal at the time and club links has nothing to do with it.

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Yup, but as he had to come back to Man U after the cup it would have been nice for Man U to stick up for their player that was being ferociously attacked by a bitter English media.

Why should Ronaldo be expected to stick by a "team" and a "club" that kept quiet whilst his name was dragged through the mud within the country he plays in; whilst he is abroad doing his best for his country?

Do you think Ronaldo was planning on leaving Man U before the dogs that call themselves fans of football set upon him?

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Don't forget, England needs to blame someone for not winning the World Cup - and there's no way on earth it could ever be the only decent striker left in the squad who studded some bloke's spuds and got sent off for his efforts could it??

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Going round in old circles are we BR? - All this, lets call the English bitter is becoming boring now. :zzz:

Let's not forget that it is those two players which were fouling Rooney 10 seconds prior to the incident, it wouldn't of got that far if the ref had dealt with what them two were doing to Rooney.

I wouldn't class myself as a big English fan, yes I wanted them to win, but I didn't splash out on flags and England shirts and such like - but I know a cheat, when I see one, oh and a bit of a drama queen as well, a dive here, a dive there, "Please give us a penalty ref" - Ronaldo fits into this category big time-end of.

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Fristly and lets clear this up - i was the one being accused of being bitter, i didnt accuse anyone of being bitter in the other thread. If Sven had listened to me you might have got a bit further in the world cup. Go and review it if you like, you will see in my last few posts that i summed it all up for you in a nice "hard to swallow" portion.

Now to your other points, is it right that irrespective of what the other players did to rooney that Ronaldo should be hounded out of a country where he makes a living, a country which claims to be free and fair and multi-cultural? Is it fair he is attacked daily in the newspapers for doing his job (a job he did well that day), is it fair he is made to feel afraid in his own home just because he played for his country?

Im a football fan, not a thug, not a racist, not bitter and i know where the boundaries lie, maybe your happy to live in a society like that, but im not.

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These stories have been doing the rounds for a couple of years now and just before the World Cup he said he wanted to leave, I dont know why you chose not to mention that?

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Why should he expect United to stick up for him though?

He is a big boy now, responsible for his own actions. He did it not playing for his club, but for his country.

What would United say? "Please lay off Ronaldo, he's a good lad really"?

Please note the date on this report. It was prior to the England match. So yes, I think that he was planning on leaving.

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Sorry - I wasn't aware that there was anything that needed clearing up. :p:

If Sven had listened to you? Are you his personal assistant or something now? :D

I've read your posts thanks. Because you have summed it up, I have to agree to your ways of thinking? I have to or others see your views as the final thought on the matter. I don't have to nor do others have to do such thing.

Now to my other points? I wasn't aware I had made such a point - please state where I had, then you can raise this question to me.

FYI - I merely stated that, I know a cheat when I see one. If a professional and international soccer player has to keep diving in the penalty area and making it look like he was pushed or shoved or whatever, its trying to rob the opposing team, a goal - this isn't a football game, where players, play a 'true' game of soccer and its a sad state of affairs and Ronaldo only has himself to blame for gaining such a 'Cry wolf' reputation.

Again, another issue you have raised with me that has absolutely no relevance to what I have posted.

If your going to hold a 'proper' debate with me - try to go over the points 'I' made not what others may or may not of posted.

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He would probably do a better job than Tord Grip :) or do you mean Faria Alam and we all know what he used to do to her ;)

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The thing that makes me laugh is that England fans pretend to be on some serious crusade about diving, but where are all the posts slagging off Gerrard for diving in a meaningless friendly match to win a penalty before the World Cup? Don't remember many England fans being too upset when they beat the Argies via a Owen dive.

Fact is the world cup has been full of diving and cheating not just from Ronaldo, why does he get singled out?

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He is the most blatant, the worst since Klinnsman imo

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Aaahh I see. It's ok to cheat as long as you aren't blatant about it?

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It's never all right to cheat, some people make it more of a habit than others

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Like Gerrard?

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I hardly think they are in the same league when it comes to play acting, Ronaldo dives more times in a match than some players pass the ball, if he tripped in the tunnel he would appeal for a free kick.

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And is Ronaldo solely to blame for that or is a culture thing? Look at Mourinho's Porto team, they dived all over the place.

Anyway I can think of loads of occasions where Gerrard has dived.

Here is a Gerrard special http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIzawprkcHo&mode=related

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Don't ask silly questions. Dear me. :rolleyes:

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I can't really think of to many involving Gerrard, it's a shame it's creeping in to his game though, he is talented enough not to need to do it. As for Ronaldo even Ron Atkinson picked up on it 'lollipop, lollipop, fall over' says it all really.

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Silly questions? You mean because England need a scapegoat, like the ref they forced into hiding for 7 days for having the nerve to correctly disallow an England goal?

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You can't blame us because he is going to jump ship, he has been trying to get out of Manchester for about two years now

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What makes me laugh even more is Ian Wright, Gerrard dives against Hungary and Wright is saying of course he should do it, Ronaldo dives and Wright is saying how disgraceful it is.

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I could not agree more I posted that at the time as well, he should feel ashamed of himself for advocating that sort of behaviour.

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I don't care if he jumps ship if we get a good deal.

Heck if I was him I wouldn't come back. After seeing how you treat one of you own.....

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:dunce: whose that then

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Is that what I said I mean? No - Like BR, stop raising issues with me that I haven't even mentioned at all. Your assuming my view is that I am blaming Ronaldo for Englands defeat, where did I say this? - Show me if you would be so kind. :dozey:

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Heck, I just wanted to use the opportunity to get rid of him. I think that he is a waste of space. Now that looks like it has gone with United saying that they will not sell.

Unfortunately diving is a fact of football...I accepted that ages ago and moved on...

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Beckham after the 98 WC.

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You first. Show me where I said that.

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Hmmm, it was bad at the time, I think if you ask him now he may well say it was a positive experience and has made him a stronger person, certainly you can only admire the way he came through it, sadly though I don't think Ronaldo has the same strength of character to do the same.

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Heck, if I was him - because of the shame and reputation of being a 'cry wolf' all to often, I would be quitting football all together and perhaps go back to learning how a proper 'true' game of football is meant to be played.

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He certainly handled it well. That year he came second in the European player of the year. Not to sure if he'd class as having to listen to people saying they hope his wife and son were dead as a positive experience though.

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I'm sure you'd agree that applies to 80% of footballers today.

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Probably should of put 'as it' instead of 'and' ;)

It probabley does apply to 100%, the beautiful game is almost unrecognisable now.

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It's very sad how hard it is to think of an honest player.

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Playing the selective memory game now are we? - My, some of us really don't know how to hold a good debate by forgetting what they have said minutes earlier.

But if it helps....

That isn't what I mean. Your assuming that is what I mean because I favoured the English team to win, that because I am criticising the way Ronaldo played, that you think I am using Ronaldo as an excuse as the reason for England's defeat. I am not and have never said so. Please don't make assumptions about what I think.

I am commenting and relaying my views on Ronaldo. This is what this thread is here for, or at least that's what I thought...

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Sorry, maybe you missed the question mark.

I was asking you to clarify you silly question remark.

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I've never really liked ronaldo, since I think it was euro 2004, there was just something about him.

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The last time I saw a player do something truly honest was Di Canio (not the time he pushed the ref over). When he grabbed the ball when he had an open goal and the keeper was injured, I remember thinking at the time what a gesture, I hope it doesn't cost us a place in Europe, it did. Come to think of it you would hardly hold him up as a role model either what with his fascist views.

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I remember that. Wonder what Redknapp said to him in private!

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I saw him interviewed and he seemed to take it well, but you just know old Paulo was doing extra running in training ;)

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I didn't miss the question mark - You asked that but then straight after, presented to me what you thought, was my way of thinking, that being, that you assume, I am using Ronaldo as a scapegoat for England's defeat. You made an incorrect assumption about what I am thinking, whether you asked it or stated it, you still made an assumption.

You can't expect me to hold a serious debate with you when you are coming out with assumptions, about what you think I am thinking, when I haven't even posted such thoughts or relayed such views about what I think is the reason, England was defeated.

Just because I am being critical about Ronaldo, doesn't mean I am using this as a scapegoat or excuse for England's early departure from this years World Cup.

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Fair enough.

So why is it a silly question?

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Why Ronaldo is being singled out and noone else?

TheDaddy summed it up accurately....

Clue word... 'Habit'. ;)

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So cheating is ok as long as you don't make a habit of it?

Btw that is a question. I do not and have not at any time assumed that this is your thinking.

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There you go again - You are assuming again by asking such questions :rolleyes: I never said cheating is okay did I?

Cheating is definately not okay. You asked me why Ronaldo is being singled out, well because, he has earned quite a reputation for being a 'cry wolf' probably more than any other player.

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It was interesting to see the reception Ronaldo was getting during the France v Portugal game... and the vast majority of those vocal spectators weren't even English, so I don't think the reason they were being so vociferous was because they wanted Ronaldo to be the scapegoat for England's exit from the competition.

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Just read in the paper that he has told his mum he is staying in Manchester :D

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The only thing that surprises me is that it's taken people so long to realise what a cheating ******* plastic Ronaldo is, we've known this at Anfield for ages. His antics in the FA Cup game last season (which we won) were nothing short of disgusting.

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As disgusting as Gerrard's antics against Bolton? Or do they not count? ;)