Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Buying one tomorrow, ditched the e6400 build... was going to cost £200 more than i wanted to spend.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Good luck :)

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I'm desperate to build this new machine, but my CC, bank account and salary keep telling me not to... I might have to try grab some bits now, some later... Reuse case & PSU and stuff as much as I can.

I am sick of resorting to work every night when I can be BF2-ing.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

I would keep a close eye on the prices and stock levels of this cpu and buy at the right time before they dry up. These cpus have been well advertised now and seeing as there flawed cpus and the conroes are now out I can see these cpus phased out before the end of the 90nm process production.That of course does not mean there wont be a 60nm slightly faulty cpu that can replace the 805 but who knows

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

the 805 is a flawed CPU?

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yeah it wont run at 200 mhz fsb(stock settings / cooling) thats why the fsb is set low by default with the higher multiplier

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Same here. Really want to purchase but can't afford it right now. I might get the Mobo and CPU just now then next month get the memory. Everything else I can reuse from my existing PC. Also a Sata HDD would be better than my IDE.

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Just ordered a PD805, Gigabyte S3 board, 1 Gb RAM, x1600xt GFX, nice shiny case, thermaltake real power 450w PSU... etc :)

Should be here midweek.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

can you not do a temp job and use only one ide hdd and one optical on the same ide cable? if it's possible

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Ok, it arrived yesterday, been stability testing overnight... the vDroop on this board is unreal, BIOS set to 1.45v vCore, yet at full load only hits 1.394v... That's why i found the pencil mod ;) - MOD HERE (anyone know where i can get conductive ink form?)

Now sitting comfortably at 3.66ghz with an Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7. No throttling (and it's turned off in the BIOS anyway) the value RAM is holding it's own at 544ish mhz (rated at only 533) and so far no problems. The x1600xt is an amazing card too. 58k points in Aquamark3 so far.

More benchies to follow, etc.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

You should be getting more than 58k, I just ran it and got 89,095.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

It could have something to do with my Valueram though, running it with a divider doesn't help... Looking for some good DDR2-800 that won't break the bank in a week or so.

This board has sopme major voltage issues though, blimey! Dual Priming now (affinity set to one core per instance of prime) at 3.7Ghz. Temps are at 48'C for the CPU. Not too bad.

Broke 60k in Aquamark earlier, but only just, this is a fresh install as well :/ What are you running?

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

A64 4000 @ 3.1ghz, X1900XT at stock, 2gb Mushkin PC3200 at stock. I reckon I could break 100K easily with a small clock on the x1900.

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That's why my score seems comparatively low... Aquamark3 isn't multi-threaded so dual core brings no benefits really to it, and that 4000+ cpu you have is alot more powerful than an 805 under air. Just ouch for comparing the x1600 to the x1900 as well. lol.

Still dual priming at 3.7... Lovely and stable.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

60K sounds about right (missed it in your previous post), not a bad score, what's your 3dM scores?

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

3dm?

Ok, explain it, link me to the download, and give me an hour or so cos i'm still dual-priming. lol.

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lol yeah comparing a 12 pipe (4 real) x1600xt to a 48pipe (16 real) x1900 lol!
you've got 3x the gpu power in pipes alone let alone the 1900 runs at 625-650mhz (xt-xtx) compared to 590mhz of the x1600.

If you're only at 48c loaded you can push it some more by extra vcore. i wouldnt worry about vdroop all that much. Just set a higher initial value so that under load its what you need. When idle your cpu will throttle and be able to handle the higher voltage.

Still i'd of gone with the c2d! at 3GHz the c2d is easily a match for a dual 4ghz 900 series chip, never mind the old 800 series. Pretty much all c2d's hit mid 3G's as well.

I'd tell you what my aq3 score is if it didn't crash at the end :( it will be very high.

I hit 54k in 3dm'01, 13k in '05 and 6.5k in '06 all with gpu @ stock

he means 3dmark by futurmark

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=9028318
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2142627
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=416219

note most of those are slightly old as my cpu was at 3.5GHz at the time its now at 3.85GHz

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3d Mark, futuremark.com, I think most versions have a series of CPU tests.

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If AM3 is crashing, get the DLL patch for it, fixed it for me.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Good luck locating it, took me ages earlier to find the patch to stop the crash. Wait, i'll upload it here actually, simply unzip it into the am3 install folder and get going :)

I'll take a look at 3dmark :)

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I was thinking Core2Duo to begin with, but i saved £200 not going for it, and when i haven't got the other £200 in the first place... It's the difference ;)

Plus, i was waiting for a better motherboard, however, i can drop a C2D in this board and it work straight away :) OC'ing would be ok as well, as it's just a DS3 without the caps on the capacitors. :)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

That's some nice scores right there. Does the Core 2 make a noticeable difference? (I'm waiting on stock for a 6600 still :()

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Yeah, but i have a bigger cock (im fattening him up for christmas - turkey sucks)!

(too riskey? :shrug: :D)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

aha thanks for the patch. Attached is my score :)
gpu @ stock.

and yes the c2d makes a big difference. My Pentium D 930 @ 4GHz is utterly blown out of the water, especially 3dmark 01 where the score is some 10k higher. But in 05 and 06 the cpu score is also alot higher. In '05 a 4.5GHz 900 series can just hit 11k cpu score. Something beaten by the c2d at 3.2GHz

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No, but you wrote "have" instead of "am" ;)

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What C2D are you running, is it on air/water/phase?

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E6700 but that doesn't really matter the E6600 clocks just as well.

Was air cooled with a Zalman 9500-AT, it could do 3.5GHz solid and was benchmark stable at 3.7GHz

Its now under water cooling which has made it stable at 3.73GHz and will bench at 3.85GHz but to go much faster rapidly needs more voltage and my waterblock just isnt upto the job

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Not sure how good or bad this is, but the pictures pretty much speak for themselves.

SuperPi 1m in 37.734sec @ 3.66ghz
SuperPi 32m in 32mins 48.266secs @ 3.66Ghz

Dual Prime stable for 9hours at 3.56ghz.

Nice, basically.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

37 seconds isn't that good, like you say it could be down to your ram, I get 29 seconds and my old 3200 used to get 34.

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The p4 sucks at doing superpi, my 930 could only do it in 34 seconds (1M) when running at 4GHz.
However the c2d absolutely thrashes everything else out there.
My record for 1M is 13 seconds, 34 seconds for 2M

32M in 15mins 14 seconds

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I'm liking the comparisons that have been given, this PC is about 3x faster than my old one, and the C2D's appear to be around 2.5x faster than this current one, so, when i get the money i could just drop an E4300 and some nice DDR2-800 RAM into this board and be well away... I like it :)

Just defragging now, i forgot that copying allsorts via a network would fragment m drive to hell, then switch it back into SATA mode and see if that makes any difference. My RAM timings are 4-4-4-12 btw.

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Messing about last night gave this...

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=116416

Not Prime Stable obviously, but i could use it just fine for web-browsing etc...
However, this one is Dual Prime stable :D
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=116415

On a side note, anyone know where i can find conductive ink?

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Your local Halfords or auto repair shop will have it - its used for fixing the heating elements that you get for defrosting rear car windows.

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Nice! Thanks, i'm trying a vdroop mod believe it or not, so, i'm practicing on some old boards i have before i take it over to this.

I'm tired of selecting 1.55v in the bios to boot into windows at 3.8ghz and it say it's only 1.42v (which is good, but the BIOS is misleading as it cannot give the stable power it needs to)
Hope you understand, and i know 1.55v is probably dangerous around this chip, hence the 1.42v ;)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

my mouse keeps hanging over the buy now button on a couple of hardware sites lol on both the asus board and the 6400 anyone want an 805 in an upgrade board lol lol (for a fair price lol )

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lmao, i was thinking about the E4300 when it comes out... Ditch this RAM and CPU... I already have an S3 that does pretty well with overclocking :D

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temptation has got the better of me ive ordered an E6600 for 230 quid from micro direct http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...4&GroupID=1674 and the Asus P5WDH to go with it wish me better luck than im used to lol

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That motherboard... I've seen 560fsb out of it... Just... wow.

Good luck there Zingle :D

EDIT: And post back with results ;)
EDIT2: Does this mean the other 805D rig will be up for sale?

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I just hope it all goes together.Ive not been happy with this pc since I built it I dont like intel chipsets but I cant find a board with the new ATI in the offing anywhere so its a risk of another intel chipset :(
Least this is a revised board seeing as the originals didnt work with C2D so at least it has a new bios so im hoping that bodes well lol will all be here Friday anyway lol

If owt goes wrong ill just invoke my 7 day distance selling rights anyway

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Nice, the latest BIOS does fix alot of issues apparantly, and people are finally really happy with the board. Could possibley be next on the cards for me next year with an E4300 :)

Also, read my edits ;)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Well I have 2 805 rigs 1 is up for sale yes

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Details...? I've been looking into one for a friend, but they're really not looking to spend much.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Will you take the £15 i won on CF today for 1 rig. ;) .....ok i guess not..... :D

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They want a full rig?
I might have a buyer for some bits but I could throw one together.

p4d 805 stable at 3.5 (not been pushed and has been run at stock) on an upgrade board with 512meg ddr 400 and a 6600 gfx basic case hdd and dvd rw sensible offer lol lol

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Tell me what a sensible offer would be? lol.

I have no idea when it comes to things like this, as i've always bought brand new from online places...

They only actually need MOBO CPU GFX and RAM if its a DDR2 mobo... lol.

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Also, which motherboard...?

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

could do it either way have all the parts needed lol where would it all have to go? they prob will be better off buying online.
Got an Asrock twin (basic but flexible) or a Gigabyte

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Heh, all the parts to Doncaster... Not too far.. Honest :p

EDIT: Now i've found them what could be a decent deal they're umming and arring... Typical.

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C2D built and installed not overclocked or benched yet :) Tips Keith for overclocking this chip and board please (Asus P5DH Deluxe what you have aint it?) ;)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

The obvious... Keep it cool, crank up the FSB, and keep the ram nice and loose til you hit the top of the FSB... Then tighten the timings down ;)

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Yeah but Keith has done it with this board lol anyway this is it at just 2.88 gig. I wanna know what voltages Keith has used to get his clock so I can make a desision on how far to push it.Thing is with these boards you dont have to worry about the ram as you dont overclock it (well I dont anyway) just set it low and catch up with itself so its always within tolerance

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Don't suppose you could point me to it on the Halfords website?

I can't seem to see it anywhere :(

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

The Halfords website is pee water.

I would suggest that you go in to get it, however any auto shop worth its salt will have it, just ask for a conductive pen for fixing rear heated windows.

Dont you boys ever goto bed :D

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Yeah. i'm going in tomorrow, well, today. So i will just ask, gotta pick up some slime stuff for my bike tires... sick of punctures. Might as well try it.

Anywho, off to bed now.

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Ok, update time, i got the conductive ink form Halfords, it's called "Electro Connector - Electrical Circuit Paint Repair" and is made by the company "Granville".
£8 a bottle.

Only now, i've lost the bottle to mod my motherboard for vDroop... What if i break something? Any advice for using this paint? Other than use a cocktail stick to apply it?

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Did you say G-G-G-G-Granville?

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Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

I was counting the seconds til someone did that... :rolleyes: :D Glad i can go back to drinking my milkshake now,

Now, any serious responses?

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:rofl:

sorry, mate... couldn't resist it :D

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Done the mod... There's no vDroop now though, but it seems rather unstable at some settings, it won't boot over 3.2ghz, but in windows i can set upto 3.6ghz fine using easytune and using Orthos Prime (2 core) to prime...

I'm just gonna let the paint set properly and look for any improvement. And at the end of the day, i can always Acetone it to hell and go back to the wavering 3.8ghz ;)

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Appologies for the late reply to this i havent really been watching this thread.

My main tip is just keep cranking the fsb up, leave all voltages alone for now and find with dual instances of prime how fast you can run with stock voltage, most E6600 and 6700 will hit around 3.3GHz like this.

Do it manually in the bios as the aibooster can do funky things in windows sometimes. (such as under read cpu speed)

Prime will usually give up easily when you push to hard with rounding errors. I would suggest using one instance of prime in option 1 and the other in option 2 (default is 3) as 3 uses alot of ram.

Once you have found this limit, you have to turn off speed step, and other power management features to enable vcore increase.

Increase this at an increment at a time then find the max clockspeed at each increment.
At this time its worth monitoring the cpu temperature. As increasing vcore rapidly sends temperature soaring. I would suggest 60C as a maximum to occur under dual prime when it is maximum heat mode any warmer and you will get instabilty due to overheating.

currently my c2d is running at 3.73GHz using 1.55v It runs two instances of folding all day long and peak temperature is around 50C, it is however water cooled. The chip will run at around 3.9GHz at about 1.65v

You will find that overtime you will be able to run higher clocks at lower voltages as the chips matures / beds in! (It previously took 1.625v to hit 3.7GHz stable, now its at 3.73 with only 1.55)

Another tip once you get over around 350 fsb you will want to increase the mch (northbridge voltage)

Once you've found the cpu limit crank up the ram speed.

Allways run the latest bios and asus seems to be releasing new ones every few weeks atm each with new features and occasional flaws (such as ram not working in anything but spd mode)

good luck and enjoy just how quick the c2d's are

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Cheers mate at stock voltage my machine at 3.2:( I did up the voltage and according to cpuz it still dropped so ill have to look at the power management so I can switch it off (hope thats it lol ) Thanks for the tips mate :)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

speedstep and c1e both need to be switched off, ignore cpu-z it doesnt understand c2d's properly still

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Any tips for overclocking my 805 zingle?

I got the Asrock Dual board with 1 gb ddr2 4200 533 ram.

Not Overclocked a pc since a Celeron 266 :-)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

errrm lol look at the memory timings and see if you can reduce its clock somehow either by a divider or dropping the ram multiplier or setting it at ddr2 400 initially. Then just up the fsb and test continue you may or may not need to up the voltage but it should hit 3 gig. The ram will be the first problem your system will hit

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Right so I got to reduce the ram speed initially does this mean I can bring it back up.

Whats are good signs that its all about to go pete tong and what speed should i be content with?

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

3 gig should do ya for a start then give it a good bit of time to make sure its stable

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Right how will i know if i need to up the voltage?

Whats a temp to stop at as a warning sign?

Hitting 38 with nothing running up to a max of 50 running super pi and prime 95

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

your still ok work in steps ensure the machine is stable . Prime will fail or the system will crash or become unstable thats how you know

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Right, cannot change memory settings, get the option of 533 or 667 mhz. Upped the cpu multiplier to 145*20 (2.9ghz with no increase in idel cpu temp)

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At 145*20 running at 1.23v and getting a fatel error in Prime.

(Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4)

Hmm not sure

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

it might be the ram is there a latency setting or any ram settings to drop its fsb?

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

I got:

DRAM CAS# LATENCY : 3,4,5
DRAM COMMAND RATE : 2T, 1T
DRAM VOLTAGE: HIGH, NORMAL, LOW
FLEXIBILITY OPTION : ENABLED , DISABLED
DRAM BANK INTERLEAVE

[edit] Just going to update board bios as it might have better ram settings

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Nope no better ram settings dropped back to 142x20 (2840)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

raise the cas to 6 and 2t settings then try at 3 gig with perhaps a point or 3 voltage (at your own risk lol)

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

What voltage, I don't think there are settings to change any? other than high low etc.

Also cas goes up to 5 only and Command rate gives only 2t and 1t setting no other

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

ddr533 is normally a lower cas rating than ddr 667 and up so slackening the timings to 5 may help . 2 t is also more relaxed than 1t

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

Raising beer to level2 is helping me.

xp mce2005 is started then says its shutting down :S
Got the ocz ram over the ebuyer as i thought it might help with this but it seems its not.

I take it my lack of memory config comes from the bios not the actual ram, I have flashed the bios to the latest.

Re: [Merged] 4.1 Ghz Dual Core Pentium 805 Monster
 

yeah you would have had more leeway with 667

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Bugger.


Anyway at 150x20 it won't boot to windows.

It's going like this:

Stock settings : super pi 1M 50 secs, 38 deg, upto 48 with prime 95

super pi
140x20 : 49
145x20 : 47

Super pi with cas 5
150x20 : no boot
140x20 : 48
146x20 : 46
147x20 : 46
148x20 : wont run super pi (no extract in round)