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Pity he didn’t say that ten years ago.

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Is that the same Gideon Osborne that screwed it all up years ago? :p:

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Osborne was Remain.

Politicians don't want to confront it because it's politically unwise to tell people they were wrong, and they don't want to come up with a solution.

What has actually been achieved by Brexit? We made it more difficult and expensive to trade with the EU, but we didn't get the trade deals we were promised. What did we do with all the regulatory freedom? Little.

Even where we don't have the regulation, such as the bottles on water caps, we get it anyway because multinationals find it easier to just sell the same product across Europe including the UK.

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I was really looking forward to taking my holidays in the sunlit uplands, but still can't book anything near and still have to fly halfway round the world for the good weather. Very disappointing, I feel they lied to us about the weather along with all the other benefits ;)

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Brexit hasn’t worked as it should because the government hasn’t bothered to implement it. We are still subject to EU legislation. What happened to the ‘bonfire of regulations’? Kemi herself was meant to oversee that, so what happened, Kemi?

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Brexit was ambushed by a cake…

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Brexit was turned into a farce by those that didn't really want it (in fact were told by the experts it wouldn't happen), but had to be seen to be following the majority vote to leave the EU.

Which surely shows nobody should trust a politician of any party to 'do their best'

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Are you including Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Gove, Badenoch, et al in those who "didn’t really want it"?

It’s alway fun to hear the "true believers" refrain of "A big boy didn’t do it and ran away" rather than face the reality of it’s impossible to satisfy an ill-defined* and non-specific set of aims besides the all-encompassing "Leave the EU"…

*deliberately

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They didn't really care which way it went, they just picked a side they thought *may* be better for them in the political and tabloid meltdowns that would surely follow. None of them knew what to do when the brown stuff hit the fan :D

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The ones with a sintilla of integrity quit, the ones with a smidgen of moral fibre tried to make the best of it, playing the hand the public had dealt them and the opportunist arse holes like bozo played both sides against the middle until they knew what way the wind blew seeking only opportunities for themselves, make no mistake though, it was always going to turn out like this, the experts said so, imagine relying on stuff you actually know and went to university to learn and for your opinions to be good enough to actually be paid enough to live on for them, as opposed to snake oil salesmen selling impossible scenarios and worse going of gut feelings that probably turn out to be indigestion

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Its happening every day, you just can't be bothered to find them, you've been given the link, why not use it

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Because they can't be bothered, because it's of little consequence.

Some EU regulations we keep because there is little point in changing them, as companies still want to produce products that they can sell into the EU. Why change it when it's what you've been doing so and in changing it all you're doing is limiting where you can sell your product?

In other cases, we could change it, but it would be in order to sell to the United States and in some cases like that, our farmers are opposed because it undercuts them.

All of this was evident before the referendum. We said, even in threads on here, about who else you would sell to if you decide to cut out the EU?

Complete self-sabotage. And all the proponents of it still pontificate without any shame about how things should be done now.

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EU will implode within the next 12 months, better off out of it :D

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Oddly enough I recall people claiming that during the Brexit debate.

But oddly, here we are.

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I suspect that's a case of wishful thinking. I'm old enough to remember when Kippers were drooling over the alleged likelihood of the Netherlands, Ireland and Hungary leaving the EU.

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Great post. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it think! Changing legislation for the sake of it just increases the cost to taxpayers and business.

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People have been saying that for ten years. How is it going so far?

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That’s because the EU haven’t implemented what the Brexit voters voted for, so it’s all the EU’s fault…

(I think that’s how the "logic" works…)

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They're slowly getting there though ;)

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Like I said, it's going slowly.

I'm surprised somebody like you hasn't noticed the subtle changes ;)

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You mean the polling that consistently shows a majority want to rejoin? Currently running at 61%.

Those subtle changes?

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Is the UK in the EU? Nope. So how does polling in the UK affect my original post about the EU?*

*Considering that at the speed things go, it would be another 5 years minimum until we rejoined . . unless the EU begged for us to come back (or more likely refused us because we'd add to their problems)

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Go on then. Give us specific examples of where the EU is imploding.

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it's going fascist from what i read in the news, is that a good thing or a bad thing

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Difference between 'imploding' and 'will implode'
One suggests a current state, the other a future state.

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What will make it implode? Lots of envious Europeans looking at how well Brexit has worked out and wanting a £400 pay cut as well? :D

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No they're not looking at any of that Brexit stuff you still cry about Andrew, but the pay cuts, job losses and diminishing services are just around the corner and they're getting a tad disillusioned with it all

Just the same as the UK really, so why the rush to jump back into the bucket?

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Didnt "polls" say we would not leave in the first place ?

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10 years and the buggers still won't let go

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I advocate rejoining the single market, it's too soon to rejoin the EU.

For a Brexit supporter who finds a spare £36m down the back of one of their sofas, being £400 better off is a bit like me finding an extra wine gum in the glove compartment! But to me and a lot of British families, £400 makes a lot of difference.

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Sorry, didn't know you'd all had a £400 pay cut mate. Was that £400 a month or £400 a year?

. . . or is it not actually a pay cut you've had and more to do with the present (Labour) Government messing with income tax and National Insurance ;) :shrug:

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They weren't in power in 2020. Per year.

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10 years and we are still waiting for a Brexit benefit..

Hang on there ain't one...;)

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Probably a few Countries saying "10 years in the EU and still waiting for the benefit" :D

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I doubt it. A majority of voters in every EU country wish to remain, ie keep the status quo. Conversely a majority of voters in the UK want to rejoin, ie change the status quo.

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Which ones?

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stop at 27 we aint got all day

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Ruritania, Sokovia, Genovia, and Grand Fenwick.