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Oh, fancy you popping up again! I’ll be having fun with some of your past posts in a few years’ time!

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And some voted Labour at the last election. How dumb was that?

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I see you still haven’t sobered up since Labour won the election. And I see you still haven’t changed your allegiance!

Bless!

I hope you weren’t relying too much on your winter fuel allowance. Or your job…

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If you haven’t seen through what you have voted for, perhaps you need to take a second look at what you are ingesting.

Ah, well, it will hit you soon enough.

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Yes, Hugh, we are experiencing national insanity, but reality will win everyone over.

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Is he having a stroke?

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Which ones?

I'm no great fan of Starmer.

We've had our populist leader, and he's been and gone like a fart in the wind. Overwhelmingly rejected by his own party.

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If you ask him nicely, he might let you… ;)

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l suppose you have been asleep for the 14 years that the Conservatives were in power in which they wrecked havoc on this country.

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I'm smiling when thinking of OB's comments if, when in the run up to the 2017 General Election, George Soros had sent Jeremy Corbyn £100 million to help him win :)

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:D:D:D

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That's they thing, I watched a video of some pretty red necky, red hatty types being asked if it was okay for George Soros to influence elections with massive donations and they all said no and the interviewer went oh did I say George Soros, I meant Elon Musk and they said that's okay he's on our side! I don't get the mentality of one side good the other bad, I think the only side the oligarch types are on is their own, hence Musks $20 billion increase since donnies win and they should be kept out of the process full stop imho

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You okay hun

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Anyone that thinks labour is the answer are dumb enough :dozey:

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One should not insult voters whatever political party they vote for as "One man's meat is another man's poison".;)

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The Conservatives became very wishy-washy after Boris left and never came back. They completely lost the will to survive. The battle between left and right within the party didn’t help.

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Blimey, you’ve changed your tune, Den! :D

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they don't like it up em captain mainwaring

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Slight correction - "the battle between "centre-right" and the "ReformUK-wannabes" within the party didn’t help”…

Sounds like your definition of "left" is "anyone slightly to the left of Marine Le Pen…" ;)

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Left wing for Old Boy is someone like Michael Heseltine. Centre right is Badenoch and right-wing is Andrew Tate.

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If you think the outgoing Tory party was “centre right”, I have a bridge you may be interested in buying.

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And if you think the outgoing Tory party was "left", I can see why you have a bridge…

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Is there any real legitimacy in judging someone not on what they have done but what they might have done?

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They were a bunch of Maggie Thatcher’s ‘wets’. No wonder people are turning to Farage.

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Pretty sure the Tories regarded as "wets" were all binned by BJ…

Anyway, Thatcher’s not been in power for over 34 years - pretty sure most of the Tory MPs who stood in the 2024 Election wouldn’t have been MPs when she was in power…

Amusing you think people like Redwood, Jenkins, Patel, Badenoch, Rees-Mogg, Truss, Kwarteng, Steve Baker, Buckland, Coffey, Philip Davies, Liam Fox, Fabricant, Gillis, etc. are "wets" - says more about you than them… ;)

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Also, it's nonsense. Every time a party loses an election a radical element claims it's because they were not right or left-wing enough. Everyone always thinks that if the party had embraced their politics they would have won.

It's results that matter, Tories didn't deliver. The economy was largely stagnant for well over a decade, the NHS waiting lists just kept going up and a general sense the state wasn't working.

Going to your right or left can work if it comes with a plan to deliver those results but that's not what the Tory right focused on. It was all about the 'vibe' of being right-wing which in the current Tory party is all about positioning yourself on culture war issues rather than economics.

If the Tories had gone to the right by radically changing our building regulations to make infrastructure spending cheaper and increase the supply of housing then that might have helped but few of the Tory right wants that because they're in hock to a base that is opposed to those things. So instead that whine about gender-neutral bathrooms.

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I don't recall this as your position prior to the election.

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Was that before or after he assured us big tech would seize the Premier League rights from the incumbents? ;)

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Which one are you referring to. 1) decided by a court . 2) if he didn't know why on earth not , if he did my point stands:erm:

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Love it:D

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No I just think they are having a laugh at Farage and his antics.

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You decide, you’re making this up as you go along. Using rationale you’re better off criticising them for what they have done rather than something they haven’t done but you think they “might” do.

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Can't reward you in the normal manner but the thought counts.:)

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Not all of them, obviously. I was talking about Rishi’s supporters.

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Surprised no one’s talking about Idiot Starmer misleading the House yesterday during PMQ, referencing Boris & Rishi having convictions, a FPN isn’t a conviction dumb ass, & he was a Director of public prosecutions?

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Well personally I dont ever listen to PMQ's, I'm never that bored. ;)

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Fun fact - 11 MPs in the Conservative Party under Rishi Sunak were MPs when Thatcher was in Office, and of those, pretty sure Bill Cash, Edward Leigh, David Davis, John Redwood, & Roger Gale could not be described in any way, shape, or form as “Thatcher’s Wets"… ;)

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It'll probably just get swept under the carpet because it isn't the tories

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Please remember , this the labour party , they can do no wrong. :erm: look at how well Wales is doing :p:

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Kemi Badenoch slams Starmer at PMQs for having a “cabinet of trade union stooges, CV embellishers and an actual fraudster”. Surely not :angel:

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Probably the fact that after 14 years of Tory rule standing up in the chamber and misrepresenting things isn't noteworthy.

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Of course they are not 'wets'. They may have served in the Conservative Party while in government, but they were not admirers of Rishi.

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We note that this is your position on the matter.


:sleep:.....................
:rofl:::

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Can you explain to me how, if only 11 Tory MPs in the last Conservative Administration were also MPs during Thatcher’s time in power, and nearly half of those were not ‘wets’, how the other 360 Conservative MPs were ”Thatcher’s wets"?

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Loving the equating of the incorrect use of a thesaurus with trashing the country :)

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Your reputation for pedantry knows no bounds.

I am describing Rishi’s supporters as the type of people whom Thatcher would have described as ‘wets’.

But you knew that, didn’t you?

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Thank you - that means so much coming from someone like you…

:hugs:

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This. The Tories have simply normalised lying and misrepresentation. Starmer should at least try to set an example by going against that way of thinking but as the stage had been set for him many years ago then he’s just going along with what we’ve become used to.

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Thesaurus, is that the one with three horns or the one with spikes on its back ;)

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No, it’s the articulate dinosaur. :D

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Really suggest you all listen to" the naked news" on BBC this week's show. Starmer comes out really well. !!!!

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Do you mean the Radio 4 Friday Night Comedy programme "The Naked Week"?

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Yet again you are correct :D:D

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it'll be freezing this Christmas

https://www.google.com/search?q=it%2...rvmY5s2mo,st:0


merry xmas kier

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Weird, that link tries to do something, then flips to a blank page ....

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OK, I guess you mean this ...



Not sure why you didnt just link to youtube.

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thought i had,catchy tune tho

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Quite well done I thought.

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Embarrassing for starmer especially if it makes Christmas no1

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Very professional.

A bit too bleak for No 1 is my immediate thought and also because it's quite political. In contrast, Band Aid worked at the time because it was about another country and apolitical.

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£200 is a small proportion of anyone's fuel bill. Poorer pensioners will still get it. Its a pity the same concern wasn't given to the vulnerable that have been hammered unnecessarily by Tory austerity over the last 14 years. We're 'all in this together' remember.

However, I am concerned by your situation. I've got some firewood I can send to the Grimsby area. Can you pick up?
( p.s don't worry about the disappearance of Cleethorpes's pier, purely coinincidental...)

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Therefore you poor pensioners can just swallow it, you moaning old gits……you probably voted for Brexit…just hurry up and die for gods sake.


Nothing as amusing as watching hardcore socialist Labourites, that have slagged off the Tories for 14 years, suddenly having to run cover for the Starlinists they weren’t expecting to have to do.

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A post from you I can respect :tu:

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heart-warming to see the granny harmers are online

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I am aware that Starmer has written to all civil servants today, and it sounds like he's doing a U turn in an attempt to repair the damage he did in his recent speech.

I did have a chuckle at the title "Plan for change", it reminded me of the "Planning for growth" when I worked at ntl when they made loads of people redundant and ended up in Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

This Labour government is certainly the most incompetent government I can recall, I was in school during the 1970s Labour government and remember they were pretty useless but being a youngster I can't compare them with this shower.

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Change of plan :rofl:

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"Hold my beer!" - Liz Truss :D

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She's one person ,the entire labour front bench are clueless idiots, but that's ok if you like clueless idiots running the country.

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Well the clueless idiots have yet to tank the economy the way that one person did.

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but they have the required skills to do so

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Bank of England wasn't it? She took the fall for it.

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Another one judging them on what they might do rather than what they have done.

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She was the PM, the buck stopped with her.

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So does everyone.

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every one in the labour party on that we can agree :clap:

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Everyone in Reform, LibDems, Conservatives and Labour has the skills to crash the economy. They just need to copy Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng. ;)

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That ship has sailed.

Her problem was that she didn't have the support of those who really control the economy.

We will see how much long term damage this Labour government does. At least Rachel is now being kept on a tight leash, Starmer has changed the rules on budgets so they are now controlled by number 10 and handed over to her.

I expect her to be gone in the June 2025 reshuffle, maybe Starmer will be gone too.

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Well, he joked recently that he could be the next James Bond. Licensed to kill pensioners perhaps?

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It will never be allowed to sail. One of the most egregious decisions to hit our economy in centuries should not be allowed to be forgotten. It needs to be remembered as yet another classic example of how the previous government mismanaged our finances.

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Just continuing Boris’ hard work

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-inquiry-hears

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I'm not sure how Sir Paul McCartney and Sir Elton John are going to cope without their fuel allowance this year.
Maybe we have a fund raising concert for them?

The allowance being paid out to everyone regardless of income was clearly daft. Reform was long overdue.

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Yup, RMS Titanic aka Liz Truss.

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That sums you up, insanely jealous of anyone with money ,that seems to be a theme running throughout labour, harm 10 million to get at 2 people who had the nerve to get rich off their talent

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Starmers just relaunched the titanic

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Should Sir Paul and Sir Elton get the winter fuel allowance? If so, please justify it, and why money should be diverted to affluent pensioners who don't need it, instead of the NHS and struggling young families.

Thing is the Tories would have probably had to do exactly the same thing if by some miracle they won the last election. Public finances and in tatters thanks to 14 years of destroying the country, so a few rich could get richer.

Anyway Sir Paul and Sir Elton and other pensioners are more than protected by the 'triple lock' which more than cancels the WFA loss. So that's all good (for them).

Young people today probably won't get any state pension. But are expected to fund current pensioners. It stinks tbh.

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There is a difference between whether they "should" get it, and whether they "need" it.

If the rules say (or said) they should get it, then they should, thats what you have rules for.

If you think only people who "need" it should get it, then you need a system to base that on, which we have.
People who miss out based on such checks will always complain they "should" get it, no matter where you draw the line.

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i hear that the government are going to drastically cut NHS pensions so that should cheer you the young uns up

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Do you have a link or is it just that you feel they have the skills to do this?

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It's information from a family member who works in the NHS

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Are they in the 1995/2008 Scheme and the 2015 Scheme?

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No idea, it came from a relative who works in the NHS [hospital admin of some sort] they came to visit other family, it was the first time i have seen them since i was a teenager she was only 2 when the family left the area they've gone back to Doncaster now.

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I don't think it's news, it's something that happened in 2022.
https://ifamagazine.com/200000-nhs-w...-of-awareness/

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Your the expert have it your way, i don't really care i'm in a different pension scheme

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Maybe a scheme to simply pay out to all pensioners is cheaper than a means tested system and all the bureaucracy needed to maintain that and the reports about how someone's granny has been denied the payment because <fill reason here> while someone gets it because <fill reason here>.

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But we have to punish Elton and Paul McCartney to satisfy labours hatred of anyone with money, the mere fact that 10 million other pensioners are harmed is irrelevant to labour

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I think if you asked them if they were being punished, they would laugh at you. :D

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The 10 million innocent victims aren't laughing

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I know people who won't qualify for the allowance but they aren't adopting a victim mentality. They said it was good whilst it lasted but appreciate that the country's finances got screwed during Covid and they're willing to do their bit to get the country back on its feet, even if they aren't particular fans of the Labour front benches. They've lived through far tougher times in the past and would be appalled to think someone describes them as victims.

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Willing to freeze to death for the party ,i take my hat gloves and coats off to them.

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I wasn’t aware wealth re-distribution was such a bad thing.

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How much would you like to give

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I'm not convinced that someone that can afford a pleasure boat, desperately needs a few shillings from the tax payer to put in the meter.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1734031076

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I remember it well, i only just survived that. Still here after 30 years :)

As for Labours war on pensioners i am pretty sure those pensioners that survive the next 5 winters will damn well remember this at the next elections.

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They won't and they're not as political party oriented as you suggest. They've worked hard all their lives and don't subscribe to your handout culture. If the government wants to give them free money they're not going to say no, but they don't put the heating on just because they get a hand out.

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Already constructing the death star ;)

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I survived too, but decided enough was enough at the end of 2000. How time flies.

I reckon Labour have their fingers crossed that they don't survive.

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Pensioners don't tend to vote for Labour anyway ! They are as likely to gain votes from other age groups that agree with the reforms.

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Agreed if you look at the country as a whole. In South Wales it's a different story, the majority vote Labour from cradle (if they had their way in the bay) to the grave.

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And if that keeps the Tories out of Wales then it’s never a bad thing.

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It's reform for wales next election, huge pictures of Nigel on every corner, an end to that silly welsh language, normal road speeds, and an end to devolved governments

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Is it, though? Labour's reign in Wales has been sub-par of late. Maybe like the Conservatives they need some time to re-energise in Opposition. Or does Plaid Cymru provide the real opposition in Wales?

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An interesting development but would Reform just split the small right-wing vote in a traditionally left-wing country?

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no