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However I think blaming Farage, Tommy Robinson, Musk or “social media” - who all undoubtedly have some role - ignores that mainstream politicians have been using the exact same tropes. Broadcast into our living rooms by the BBC, ITV, Sky and printed in mainstream newspapers. For at least one decade and probably two. |
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Can you honestly hand on heart watch that video linked above and say you are happy with Labour politicians blowing the same anti-migrant dog whistles as the Tories, Farage, etc. because some polling and some focus groups told them it would improve their chances of winning? Was selling out a price worth paying so someone you liked a bit more with a different colour tie said the same things? Britain has many problems and if the people that caused them can't admit their role too then it'll never be solved or addressed. We will only be waiting for the next set of riots. It could be five, ten, fifteen years. Who knows. But it's out there and everyone has to ask whether they want to keep adding more fuel to the fire. |
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The over use of the term far right has made the term meaningless,and now we are getting whiffs of the term terrorism,the government aren't handling this well ,and i read we have 36 protests /counter protests planned for today,the country has fallen apart,it's not safe on the streets anymore:(
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If Labour, and the Conservatives, think migration brings economic value to the UK (from their actions, I suspect it does) then they should stand up at election time and say that rather than dog whistle and brush it under the carpet for 5 years. They should accept and be honest that however many million a day they are spending on asylum hotels is a price they believe is worth paying to not improve the quality and quantity of social housing or alternative accommodation while the UK fulfils it’s duties under international law and various human rights law. Rather than go on telly and wax lyrical about the loose change per day this is of total government expenditure. |
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fortunatly i live in a place that doesent have migrant centers so there would be little point in rioting here. |
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The right to peaceful protest should always be there. But there's a word in that many are missing. Plus they aren't protesting, just want a bit of a fight for social media excitement, or as a cover for crime/ big themselves up to mates. What do you want the Govt to do? A curfew? If they banned gathering doubtless they're be complaints about freedom or 'the nanny state'. Thanks to 14 years of declininng public services., there arent that many to protect the streets. Going to take more than a few weeks to put that right. |
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You can’t erode the functions of the state under the guise of austerity, point at immigrants, blame them and act totally surprised when people listen. |
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The whole only I've seen people advocate the government do that they're not doing already is send in the army which I think would be a bad idea.
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It’ll fizzle out. |
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Hopefully the sentences announced today in Liverpool will make people think again before breaking the law. https://news.sky.com/story/uk-riots-...#liveblog-body |
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In my London area I am sceptical they'll turn up tbh.
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The rumour mill is saying Croydon and Walthamstow are due to have a visit from some ‘concerned citizens’ presumably asking questions written on half bricks. If true, this is an escalation as so far, the areas affected have been relatively white British. Having grown up in Croydon, I can assure you that the shrift that will given will be very short to any kind of racist protest.
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Still don't see how this is the fault of Starmer or anyone. People being absolutely fruitcakes.
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If you spent 14 years saying there’s no magic money tree then gleefully announce the billions spent on asylum seeker hotels you knew what you were doing. You just hoped the people would never kick off or the police would be suitably resourced to quash it. |
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Well it certainly wouldn't want me to go all grand Theft Auto on my town. It's not going to get anything done other than send me to jail and waste more money on extra policing and insurance payouts.
Rather counter productive, but then they don't seem the type to logically think about much. |
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The government must be pleased by this headline of a remorseful rioter jailed for three years.
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That's just a silly thing to say.
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oh yes i forgot " this is a government of service" a really bad service. |
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The more straightforward answer is that they know, have always known, but thought it was a dice worth rolling to score a bounce in the polls. It’s not counter productive to someone who has no investment in society anyway. Many of the soon to be convicted will have previous as long as your arm. They were always heading for another stint the only questions were when and what for. Assuming they have the same thought process as the rest of us is flawed. |
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Zero evidence of the far-right so far in one of the rumoured London locations
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I doubt they are either clever or organised, but optically it’d help their cause if “counter” protestors kicked off and it dominated the news cycle. Those deliberately setting out to damage property could gain info on where the police prioritise resource by bluffing 100 things happening all at once. More likely as you say it’s the weather. Or it’s midweek - some of them will have cash in hand jobs to do in the hidden economy tomorrow. Or signing on. Friday would be the next day I’d expect it to kick off if people haven’t moved on by then. |
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1 month into the job, national riots, his contribution……….to throw fuel on them. That’s without taking in the attack on pensioners. ---------- Post added at 20:46 ---------- Previous post was at 20:45 ---------- Quote:
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(For the avoidance of doubt, I think “small boats” are an absolute irrelevance whipped up to create tension) |
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But I’ll give you the boat crossings…….although he’s done nothing since taking over to stop them? and I’ll agree that Starmer has not organised the riots ….although I don’t think anyone suggested he has. But when the riots did start, his response was, is and has been god awful……and then he went MIA. So no, not showing signs of competency, quite the opposite. ---------- Post added at 22:29 ---------- Previous post was at 22:03 ---------- Hits out at rioters ……….and successive government failings…but that didn’t make the headline. https://news.sky.com/story/man-who-t...anned-13192687 |
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So it does seem tonight's big riots didn't happen.
I wonder if the stories of convictions have repressed them and it will start to calm down. The weather is good at the weekend so that might cause some of them to come out again. |
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The Nudge unit or behavioural Insights Team (look them up) were front and centre during COVID to frighten the bejesus out of everyone so they would comply with government dictact. To think that government doesn’t have influence over media is to be naive, or ignorant. Quote:
But you have just exemplified the problem………if the masses don’t care or don’t want to know the truth, then why include accurate headlines? |
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They'll be quite a few with lengthy prison sentences a lot of them caught by their own social media video footage. Incredibly dense of them , we really do need to improve education in this country. |
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looks like protesters pulled a fast one last night ,drawing out thousands of anti protest supporters to areas where nothing happened,panic sets in as soon as the false info hits social media,will people be on the streets every time someone posts false info ,if so it still takes up police time and resorces.
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https://x.com/JohnOBrennan2/status/1...ybeNk1Ixg&s=19. This guy is just unbelievable.
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Farage Riots: nice to see the man himself squirming trying to justify Andrew Tate as one of his sources :)
Nigel Farage admits getting caught up in Andrew Tate's misinformation following Southport attack |
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Has the Labour backbench MP that named her local Holiday Inn as housing asylum seekers apologised for her statement that undoubtedly fuelled the flames of local resentment? |
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The hypocrisy is off the scales. |
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Elon Musk just retweeted a British First account promoting a fake Telegraph headline that Starmer is setting up detention camps. He then deleted it but he is really is going all on this.
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All he’s doing is testing flipping the medium from The Sun, the Daily Mail and Telegraphs of the mainstream press. If he was able to usurp the undue influence of the written and broadcast press in the UK it’d give him disproportionate influence over policy making for decades to come as we’ve seen with Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Lord Lebedev. Make it work here - where next? Australia, New Zealand, the USA. |
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Sorry but saying there are too many immigrants or illegal immigrants is not demonising them. If people are coming to that conclusion, then that is their own issues hearing what they want to hear.fsrrage is definitely guilty of demonising them, that's his main narrative.
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I think what Elon Musk is doing is worse than the press here, they wouldn't go so far as to fake an entire article and detention camps, but he has more reach and is a foreign actor in all this which is additionally concerning. However much we disagree, Brits are all vested in avoiding societal collapse and turning us into a low-trust society. Elon Musk doesn't. We're a petri dish he can play with for his amusement. It's why he excitedly tweets about the UK coming to a civil war and promoting any evidence he can to that effect, he doesn't really give a damn if it happens or not. We have systems to hold our government accountable, to hold each other accountable and to hold the press accountable to some extent. There is little power we have over these American tech giants. |
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All the parties gleefully use X to peddle their own narratives, often divisive and borderline mis-informing, sometimes outright lies.
It’s a bit cry-bully, to be whinging about Musk. |
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Oh dear me
labour councilor calls for throats to be cut https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/...ls_a_crowd_of/ https://order-order.com/2024/08/08/l...s-of-fascists/ Far left thuggery in action. hope the full force of the law comes down on this idiot |
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I don’t think we are all invested in avoiding societal collapse any more. I’m not convinced the underclass would notice the difference. Which is where it’s a bit problematic that they’re underfunding the thin blue line to keep us apart. |
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Labour Councillor Ricky Jones, currently the hot topic on X, videoed calling for “Far Right” protestors to have theirs throats slit.
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I would say the media have been critical of immigration but also critical of the riots, which is also where I think the majority of the country is. |
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He's been arrested for encouraging murder A man in his 50s has been arrested on suspicion of encouraging murder for an offence under the Public Order Act, the Metropolitan Police have confirmed. The arrest comes after Labour councillor Nicky Jones was filmed calling for "cut throats" of far-right protestors. https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-after-labour |
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Does Britain really have a far-left thuggery problem? It always seemed to me like centrist panty-wetting whenever their moral hypocrisy was called out as we blindly supported American foreign policy objectives
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In many respects these counter-demonstrations are counter-productive. They divert police resources and it only takes finding one or two morons (they're everywhere) and suddenly you've got a full page on page 5 of the Telegraph 'both sidesing' it.
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Very easy to find morons on both sides.
The uneasy Far Left alliance with the Islamist Far Right, Can deliver just as many idiots and violent thugs as the perceived U.K. Far Right. Useful idiots everywhere. |
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When I was a journo we had a local Green Party councillor who used to drive round in a car with a massive WWF logo on either side and had a habit of driving up to wherever he saw a perceived wildlife crime in progress to remonstrate loudly with whoever it happened to be. He had been repeatedly asked by the actual WWF to refrain from doing so. :D [/offtopic] |
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Discussion of the riots must be being monitored as someone I know received a police visit this morning because of something he'd posted on the internet. |
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Actually he eventually ended up in front of the beak charged with assault at a nature reserve. He set upon someone with a tree branch because he thought they were interfering with great crested newts. |
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Interesting but not unexpected. Labour's policy of not using asylum hotels should ease this as should its recruitment of 1,000 staff to clear the backlog of asylum applications.
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