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jfman 07-08-2024 06:14

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36180785)
What is your point exactly??

Attacking mosques and hotels and destroying people's businesses and family is OK because we spend money on immigrants?:confused:

A lot of deflection and whataboutery. Oh look over there:rolleyes:

No, I think it’s completely reprehensible behaviour.

However I think blaming Farage, Tommy Robinson, Musk or “social media” - who all undoubtedly have some role - ignores that mainstream politicians have been using the exact same tropes. Broadcast into our living rooms by the BBC, ITV, Sky and printed in mainstream newspapers. For at least one decade and probably two.

mrmistoffelees 07-08-2024 07:11

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180797)
No, I think it’s completely reprehensible behaviour.

However I think blaming Farage, Tommy Robinson, Musk or “social media” - who all undoubtedly have some role - ignores that mainstream politicians have been using the exact same tropes. Broadcast into our living rooms by the BBC, ITV, Sky and printed in mainstream newspapers. For at least one decade and probably two.

Just what would it take to make you happy from a political perspective that can be realistically achieved ? You weren’t happy with the tories and now you’re not happy with Labour

jfman 07-08-2024 07:38

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36180800)
Just what would it take to make you happy from a political perspective that can be realistically achieved ? You weren’t happy with the tories and now you’re not happy with Labour

I'm unsure this is the thread but equally unsure people should hold their longer term political ideology within the parameters of what can be realistically achieved between general elections. We saw the lowest turnout since the extension of the franchise over a hundred years ago with 40% of the electorate staying home partially for the same reason politics has devolved into a chattering class spectator sport.

Can you honestly hand on heart watch that video linked above and say you are happy with Labour politicians blowing the same anti-migrant dog whistles as the Tories, Farage, etc. because some polling and some focus groups told them it would improve their chances of winning? Was selling out a price worth paying so someone you liked a bit more with a different colour tie said the same things?

Britain has many problems and if the people that caused them can't admit their role too then it'll never be solved or addressed. We will only be waiting for the next set of riots. It could be five, ten, fifteen years. Who knows. But it's out there and everyone has to ask whether they want to keep adding more fuel to the fire.

mrmistoffelees 07-08-2024 08:14

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180801)
I'm unsure this is the thread but equally unsure people should hold their longer term political ideology within the parameters of what can be realistically achieved between general elections. We saw the lowest turnout since the extension of the franchise over a hundred years ago with 40% of the electorate staying home partially for the same reason politics has devolved into a chattering class spectator sport.

Can you honestly hand on heart watch that video linked above and say you are happy with Labour politicians blowing the same anti-migrant dog whistles as the Tories, Farage, etc. because some polling and some focus groups told them it would improve their chances of winning? Was selling out a price worth paying so someone you liked a bit more with a different colour tie said the same things?

Britain has many problems and if the people that caused them can't admit their role too then it'll never be solved or addressed. We will only be waiting for the next set of riots. It could be five, ten, fifteen years. Who knows. But it's out there and everyone has to ask whether they want to keep adding more fuel to the fire.

Can you actually answer the question posed ?

papa smurf 07-08-2024 08:23

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The over use of the term far right has made the term meaningless,and now we are getting whiffs of the term terrorism,the government aren't handling this well ,and i read we have 36 protests /counter protests planned for today,the country has fallen apart,it's not safe on the streets anymore:(

jfman 07-08-2024 08:27

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36180806)
Can you actually answer the question posed ?

No, because it was so broad as to be off topic.

If Labour, and the Conservatives, think migration brings economic value to the UK (from their actions, I suspect it does) then they should stand up at election time and say that rather than dog whistle and brush it under the carpet for 5 years.

They should accept and be honest that however many million a day they are spending on asylum hotels is a price they believe is worth paying to not improve the quality and quantity of social housing or alternative accommodation while the UK fulfils it’s duties under international law and various human rights law. Rather than go on telly and wax lyrical about the loose change per day this is of total government expenditure.

Damien 07-08-2024 08:30

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180807)
The over use of the term far right has made the term meaningless,and now we are getting whiffs of the term terrorism,the government aren't handling this well ,and i read we have 36 protests /counter protests planned for today,the country has fallen apart,it's not safe on the streets anymore:(

If you're planning to attack/burn down community centres or immigration centres then I think you can be called far-right or terrorists.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180808)
They should accept and be honest that however many million a day they are spending on asylum hotels is a price they believe is worth paying to not improve the quality and quantity of social housing or alternative accommodation while the UK fulfils it’s duties under international law and various human rights law. Rather than go on telly and wax lyrical about the loose change per day this is of total government expenditure.

The problem with the hotels is the government isn't processing applications fast enough hence their requirement. That said it appears the government is now looking at alternative accommodation rather than these large hotels but it takes time to set stuff up.

papa smurf 07-08-2024 08:40

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180809)
If you're planning to attack/burn down community centres or immigration centres then I think you can be called far-right or terrorists.

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The problem with the hotels is the government isn't processing applications fast enough hence their requirement. That said it appears the government is now looking at alternative accommodation rather than these large hotels but it takes time to set stuff up.

but will these people be safe from those who don't want them in the country,shuffling them around won't work in my humble oppinion.
fortunatly i live in a place that doesent have migrant centers so there would be little point in rioting here.

Mr K 07-08-2024 08:42

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180807)
The over use of the term far right has made the term meaningless,and now we are getting whiffs of the term terrorism,the government aren't handling this well ,and i read we have 36 protests /counter protests planned for today,the country has fallen apart,it's not safe on the streets anymore:(

In Cleethorpes, really? That's my holiday cancelled then...

The right to peaceful protest should always be there. But there's a word in that many are missing. Plus they aren't protesting, just want a bit of a fight for social media excitement, or as a cover for crime/ big themselves up to mates.

What do you want the Govt to do? A curfew? If they banned gathering doubtless they're be complaints about freedom or 'the nanny state'. Thanks to 14 years of declininng public services., there arent that many to protect the streets. Going to take more than a few weeks to put that right.

jfman 07-08-2024 08:46

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180809)
If you're planning to attack/burn down community centres or immigration centres then I think you can be called far-right or terrorists.

The problem with the hotels is the government isn't processing applications fast enough hence their requirement. That said it appears the government is now looking at alternative accommodation rather than these large hotels but it takes time to set stuff up.

I agree on the hotels point but again that was 100% a political choice by the previous government to not fund the Home Office to speed up applications. Almost as if they wanted to design a powderkeg to support their “stop the boats” narrative.

You can’t erode the functions of the state under the guise of austerity, point at immigrants, blame them and act totally surprised when people listen.

papa smurf 07-08-2024 08:46

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180812)
In Cleethorpes, really? That's my holiday cancelled then...

The right to peaceful protest should always be there. But there's a word in that many are missing. Plus they aren't protesting, just want a bit of a fight for social media excitement, or as a cover for crime/ big themselves up to mates.

What do you want the Govt to do? A curfew? If they banned gathering doubtless they're be complaints about freedom or 'the nanny state'. Thanks to 14 years of declininng public services., there arent that many to protect the streets. Going to take more than a few weeks to put that right.

Resign.

Damien 07-08-2024 08:50

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The whole only I've seen people advocate the government do that they're not doing already is send in the army which I think would be a bad idea.

Mr K 07-08-2024 08:50

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180814)
Resign.

How would that help? Those that go out onto the streets to cause trouble will still do it. Your alternative is the previous administration who are the root cause of the issues.

jfman 07-08-2024 08:59

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180815)
The whole only I've seen people advocate the government do that they're not doing already is send in the army which I think would be a bad idea.

I agree on this. It’ll fizzle out by itself. Bringing in the army is an act of escalation that the far right would dine out on for years to come.

It’ll fizzle out.

Mr K 07-08-2024 09:06

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180819)
I agree on this. It’ll fizzle out by itself. Bringing in the army is an act of escalation that the far right would dine out on for years to come.

It’ll fizzle out.

The Premiership starts in a week and the weather's on the turn. Just aswell Oliver Cromwell didn't have to rely on this lot.

ianch99 07-08-2024 09:48

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180815)
The whole only I've seen people advocate the government do that they're not doing already is send in the army which I think would be a bad idea.

I think that Starmer & Cooper are handling this quite well. Far more decisive than Johnson & co ever were.

mrmistoffelees 07-08-2024 11:57

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180815)
The whole only I've seen people advocate the government do that they're not doing already is send in the army which I think would be a bad idea.

I think a lot is going to depend based on what happens at the supposed 30 protests that are allegedly going to occur today

1andrew1 07-08-2024 13:27

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36180831)
I think a lot is going to depend based on what happens at the supposed 30 protests that are allegedly going to occur today

Sky News says the list is 100 protests.

Hopefully the sentences announced today in Liverpool will make people think again before breaking the law.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-riots-...#liveblog-body

Damien 07-08-2024 14:05

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In my London area I am sceptical they'll turn up tbh.

jonbxx 07-08-2024 15:06

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The rumour mill is saying Croydon and Walthamstow are due to have a visit from some ‘concerned citizens’ presumably asking questions written on half bricks. If true, this is an escalation as so far, the areas affected have been relatively white British. Having grown up in Croydon, I can assure you that the shrift that will given will be very short to any kind of racist protest.

So far the counter protesters have been relatively well behaved (note that I said relatively here, not absolutely) That might well change if these protests kick off in areas like Croydon and Walthamstow.

papa smurf 07-08-2024 15:29

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36180824)
I think that Starmer & Cooper are handling this quite well. Far more decisive than Johnson & co ever were.

Their doing a great job,total anarchy on the streets ,armed groups roaming around ,police cars set on fire, buildings set on fire ,shops looted,people assaulted by mobs of yobo's ,keep up the good work mr starmer and co.

Stephen 07-08-2024 15:31

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Still don't see how this is the fault of Starmer or anyone. People being absolutely fruitcakes.

Mythica 07-08-2024 15:50

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180845)
Their doing a great job,total anarchy on the streets ,armed groups roaming around ,police cars set on fire, buildings set on fire ,shops looted,people assaulted by mobs of yobo's ,keep up the good work mr starmer and co.

That's a typical day up north in Middlesbrough. No it actually is. I didn't vote Labour but how you can blame them is beyond me, it's been happening years up here, yeah, not on the scale of riots, but they walk around like they own the place knowing not much will get done, most are actually kids.

papa smurf 07-08-2024 16:01

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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36180849)
That's a typical day up north in Middlesbrough. No it actually is. I didn't vote Labour but how you can blame them is beyond me, it's been happening years up here, yeah, not on the scale of riots, but they walk around like they own the place knowing not much will get done, most are actually kids.

We only have the one government that i can hold to account and that just happens to be labour,starmer isn't handling this well and cooper has no idea what she is doing ,4 weeks in and the country is an anarchists paradise:(

daveeb 07-08-2024 16:04

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180851)
We only have the one government that i can hold to account and that just happens to be labour,starmer isn't handling this well and cooper has no idea what she is doing ,4 weeks in and the country is an anarchists paradise:(

At least Starmer managed to find his way to a couple of Cobra meetings unlike the Eton mess that preferred holidaying to taking any responsibility.

Mythica 07-08-2024 16:21

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180851)
We only have the one government that i can hold to account and that just happens to be labour,starmer isn't handling this well and cooper has no idea what she is doing ,4 weeks in and the country is an anarchists paradise:(

Nah, I think that's ridiculous.

jfman 07-08-2024 16:35

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36180846)
Still don't see how this is the fault of Starmer or anyone. People being absolutely fruitcakes.

If words are enough to incite this: Farage, Musk, or anyone else then Starmer, Sunak, Johnson, May, Cameron, etc. all have their place in embedding the thought in the underclass that migration affects you: your housing, your access to the NHS, your access to the benefits system, your level of taxation, your access to essentially any public service.

If you spent 14 years saying there’s no magic money tree then gleefully announce the billions spent on asylum seeker hotels you knew what you were doing. You just hoped the people would never kick off or the police would be suitably resourced to quash it.

Stephen 07-08-2024 17:12

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Well it certainly wouldn't want me to go all grand Theft Auto on my town. It's not going to get anything done other than send me to jail and waste more money on extra policing and insurance payouts.

Rather counter productive, but then they don't seem the type to logically think about much.

1andrew1 07-08-2024 17:23

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The government must be pleased by this headline of a remorseful rioter jailed for three years.

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‘I’m a fool and let my family down’, says rioter jailed for punching policeman
Derek Drummond, 58, is first person to receive a substantial prison sentence for taking part in the violence
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...lent-disorder/

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180851)
We only have the one government that i can hold to account and that just happens to be labour,starmer isn't handling this well and cooper has no idea what she is doing ,4 weeks in and the country is an anarchists paradise:(

What would you have done differently? Held a garden party? Delegated the Cobra meetings to someone else? ;)

papa smurf 07-08-2024 17:29

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180857)
The government must be pleased by this headline of a remorseful rioter jailed for three years.


you get a lighter sentence if you pretend to be remorsefull

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...lent-disorder/

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What would you have done differently? Held a garden party? Delegated the Cobra meetings to someone else? ;)

If i was kier starmer i would resign and let a competant adult do the job.

Stephen 07-08-2024 17:32

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That's just a silly thing to say.

Mr K 07-08-2024 17:36

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180860)
If i was kier starmer i would resign and let a competant adult do the job.

Sir K is the most competent PM we've had for 14 years. Granted that isn't setting the bar high.

papa smurf 07-08-2024 17:42

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180863)
Sir K is the most competent PM we've had for 14 years. Granted that isn't setting the bar high.

We are up to our necks in anarchy after only 4 wonerfull weeks in power,that's not my idea of competance, still turn the page,dad was a toolmaker, full force of the law and all that other word salad.

oh yes i forgot " this is a government of service" a really bad service.

1andrew1 07-08-2024 17:52

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180860)
If i was kier starmer i would resign and let a competant adult do the job.

Ok, if you were Prime Minister, what you do?

Mr K 07-08-2024 17:58

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180864)
We are up to our necks in anarchy after only 4 wonerfull weeks in power,that's not my idea of competance, still turn the page,dad was a toolmaker, full force of the law and all that other word salad.

oh yes i forgot " this is a government of service" a really bad service.

Its some right wing nutters that are rioting. Presumably fed up with their pathetic lives, that Brexit hasn't worked out and they lost an election. Not sure how a Govt only a few weeks old can be held responsible fo that. Do too little they'll be blamed, do too much ditto. The only ones to blame are the ones on the streets, and the previous administration of 14 years. The rioters and the situation are Daves/Boris'/ whatshername/Rishi's creation. You've got your country back, love it...

jfman 07-08-2024 18:05

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36180855)
Well it certainly wouldn't want me to go all grand Theft Auto on my town. It's not going to get anything done other than send me to jail and waste more money on extra policing and insurance payouts.

Rather counter productive, but then they don't seem the type to logically think about much.

100% the average person wouldn’t. However for people to have reached the very highest levels of government and lack the awareness to know there’s morons out there and messaging matters would seriously call into question their observation skills.

The more straightforward answer is that they know, have always known, but thought it was a dice worth rolling to score a bounce in the polls.

It’s not counter productive to someone who has no investment in society anyway. Many of the soon to be convicted will have previous as long as your arm. They were always heading for another stint the only questions were when and what for.

Assuming they have the same thought process as the rest of us is flawed.

Damien 07-08-2024 19:38

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Zero evidence of the far-right so far in one of the rumoured London locations

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Also not hearing a lot from around the country? Maybe the sentences are making people think twice.

Mr K 07-08-2024 19:59

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180877)
Also not hearing a lot from around the country? Maybe the sentences are making people think twice.

Its a bit chilly tonight is the more likely reason.

jfman 07-08-2024 20:07

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180879)
Its a bit chilly tonight is the more likely reason.

:D

I doubt they are either clever or organised, but optically it’d help their cause if “counter” protestors kicked off and it dominated the news cycle.

Those deliberately setting out to damage property could gain info on where the police prioritise resource by bluffing 100 things happening all at once.

More likely as you say it’s the weather. Or it’s midweek - some of them will have cash in hand jobs to do in the hidden economy tomorrow. Or signing on. Friday would be the next day I’d expect it to kick off if people haven’t moved on by then.

papa smurf 07-08-2024 20:36

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180877)
Zero evidence of the far-right so far in one of the rumoured London locations

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Also not hearing a lot from around the country? Maybe the sentences are making people think twice.

There were reports of a large mob in cleethorpes and similar reports in Grimsby but both turned out to be false

Pierre 07-08-2024 20:46

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180863)
Sir K is the most competent PM we've had for 14 years. Granted that isn't setting the bar high.

Based on what metric?

1 month into the job, national riots, his contribution……….to throw fuel on them.

That’s without taking in the attack on pensioners.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180866)
Ok, if you were Prime Minister, what you do?

He isn’t, so doesn’t have to do anything.

daveeb 07-08-2024 20:55

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180884)
There were reports of a large mob in cleethorpes and similar reports in Grimsby but both turned out to be false

They might just have been waiting for Wetherspoons to open :)

Mr K 07-08-2024 21:39

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180884)
There were reports of a large mob in cleethorpes and similar reports in Grimsby but both turned out to be false

I'd be more worried about Bradford City fans descending on you next week...

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180885)
Based on what metric?

A common sense metric. Boat crossings/ immigration issues haven't happened in the last few weeks. The riots have been organised by far right agitators, and their knuckle draggers, not Sir K.

jfman 07-08-2024 21:51

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180888)
Boat crossings/ immigration issues haven't happened in the last few weeks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...3-31fb2813ab77

(For the avoidance of doubt, I think “small boats” are an absolute irrelevance whipped up to create tension)

Pierre 07-08-2024 22:29

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180888)
A common sense metric. Boat crossings/ immigration issues haven't happened in the last few sweeks. The riots have been organised by far right agitators, and their knuckle draggers, not Sir K.

Thats not common sense it’s sycophancy.

But I’ll give you the boat crossings…….although he’s done nothing since taking over to stop them?

and I’ll agree that Starmer has not organised the riots ….although I don’t think anyone suggested he has.

But when the riots did start, his response was, is and has been god awful……and then he went MIA.

So no, not showing signs of competency, quite the opposite.

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Hits out at rioters ……….and successive government failings…but that didn’t make the headline.

https://news.sky.com/story/man-who-t...anned-13192687

Damien 07-08-2024 22:50

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So it does seem tonight's big riots didn't happen.

I wonder if the stories of convictions have repressed them and it will start to calm down. The weather is good at the weekend so that might cause some of them to come out again.

1andrew1 07-08-2024 22:51

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180891)
Hits out at rioters ……….and successive government failings…but that didn’t make the headline.

https://news.sky.com/story/man-who-t...anned-13192687

Headlines are not a summary of the article. They're there to get you to read on or click on the article.

Pierre 07-08-2024 23:30

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180893)
I wonder if the stories of convictions have repressed them.

Or stories of mass riots everywhere was mis-information?

Lot’s of counter-protesters, with no-one to protest against.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180894)
Headlines are not a summary of the article. They're there to get you to read on or click on the article.

But if you don’t read the body of the article, which the majority of people won’t, it does skew the narrative.

It wasn’t a one dimensional interview, they chose to propogate just one element of what he said.

The head line could quite easily have been
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man who tackled suspected Southport knife attacker hits out at rioters and historical government failings
Would that have been so hard?

Don’t kid me, or yourself , that narratives are pushed by MSM with or without the nod from the Gov/blob.

1andrew1 07-08-2024 23:54

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180895)
But if you don’t read the body of the article, which the majority of people won’t, it does skew the narrative.

It wasn’t a one dimensional interview, they chose to propogate just one element of what he said.

If Sky wished to push a narrative then they could simply not report his criticisms of governments.

The head line could quite easily have been

Would that have been so hard?

Don’t kid me, or yourself , that narratives are pushed by MSM with or without the nod from the Gov/blob.

As I said before, the purpose of a headline is not to summarise an article and also not as you suggest is it written or signed off by No. 10. It's there to sell newspapers or clicks. If additional words in a headline don't increase sales or clicks then why include them?

Pierre 08-08-2024 01:54

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180898)
The purpose of a headline is not to summarise an article and also not as you suggest is it written or signed off by No. 10. It's there to sell newspapers or clicks.

Or push a narrative to the sleeping and malleable masses. You know …nudge them along.

The Nudge unit or behavioural Insights Team (look them up) were front and centre during COVID to frighten the bejesus out of everyone so they would comply with government dictact.

To think that government doesn’t have influence over media is to be naive, or ignorant.

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If additional words in a headline don't increase sales or clicks then why include them?
Oh, I don’t know……….the truth? You know journalistic integrity, holding governments and institutions to account.

But you have just exemplified the problem………if the masses don’t care or don’t want to know the truth, then why include accurate headlines?

Mr K 08-08-2024 07:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180893)
So it does seem tonight's big riots didn't happen.

I wonder if the stories of convictions have repressed them and it will start to calm down. The weather is good at the weekend so that might cause some of them to come out again.

A lot of gutted keyboard warriors this morning, devastated that more trouble didn't happen. Well done to the peaceful counter protestors, who are thankfully are the majority. The Govt have handled this well.

They'll be quite a few with lengthy prison sentences a lot of them caught by their own social media video footage. Incredibly dense of them , we really do need to improve education in this country.

papa smurf 08-08-2024 08:07

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looks like protesters pulled a fast one last night ,drawing out thousands of anti protest supporters to areas where nothing happened,panic sets in as soon as the false info hits social media,will people be on the streets every time someone posts false info ,if so it still takes up police time and resorces.

1andrew1 08-08-2024 09:07

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180906)
A lot of gutted keyboard warriors this morning, devastated that more trouble didn't happen. Well done to the peaceful counter protestors, who are thankfully are the majority. The Govt have handled this well.

They'll be quite a few with lengthy prison sentences a lot of them caught by their own social media video footage. Incredibly dense of them , we really do need to improve education in this country.

I only heard interviews with two rioters. One blamed immigrants for his lack of a job but admitted he'd been in jail for GBH. There did seem to be a good number of people arrested with previous convictions which suggests the prison service has been unsuccessful in getting people back to work, which we know anyway. It's not an overnight thing but I was heartened by the appointment of James Timpson as Prisons Minister given his background in getting offenders back to work at his family business.

jfman 08-08-2024 09:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180908)
I only heard interviews with two rioters. One blamed immigrants for his lack of a job but admitted he'd been in jail for GBH. There did seem to be a good number of people arrested with previous convictions which suggests the prison service has been unsuccessful in getting people back to work, which we know anyway. It's not an overnight thing but I was heartened by the appointment of James Timpson as Prisons Minister given his background in getting offenders back to work at his family business.

This is an old interview repackaged. I saw it before the election.

1701-e 08-08-2024 09:29

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https://x.com/JohnOBrennan2/status/1...ybeNk1Ixg&s=19. This guy is just unbelievable.

ianch99 08-08-2024 09:30

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Farage Riots: nice to see the man himself squirming trying to justify Andrew Tate as one of his sources :)

Nigel Farage admits getting caught up in Andrew Tate's misinformation following Southport attack

jfman 08-08-2024 09:53

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36180912)
Farage Riots: nice to see the man himself squirming trying to justify Andrew Tate as one of his sources :)

Nigel Farage admits getting caught up in Andrew Tate's misinformation following Southport attack

At least he’s holding his hands up.

Has the Labour backbench MP that named her local Holiday Inn as housing asylum seekers apologised for her statement that undoubtedly fuelled the flames of local resentment?

papa smurf 08-08-2024 09:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36180912)
Farage Riots: nice to see the man himself squirming trying to justify Andrew Tate as one of his sources :)

Nigel Farage admits getting caught up in Andrew Tate's misinformation following Southport attack

Great interview of a politicion addmitting he got it wrong,how rare is that:shocked:

jfman 08-08-2024 10:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180915)
Great interview of a politicion addmitting he got it wrong,how rare is that:shocked:

To answer my own question above - she condemned it (don’t we all, love) without acknowledging her own dog whistle to the masses.

The hypocrisy is off the scales.

1andrew1 08-08-2024 10:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180915)
Great interview of a politicion addmitting he got it wrong,how rare is that:shocked:

Where does he say he got it wrong?

Stephen 08-08-2024 10:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36180911)

That old guy is shocking. So racist and so dumb that he doesn't realise it or can't admit it.

Damien 08-08-2024 11:17

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 
Elon Musk just retweeted a British First account promoting a fake Telegraph headline that Starmer is setting up detention camps. He then deleted it but he is really is going all on this.

papa smurf 08-08-2024 11:32

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180923)
Elon Musk just retweeted a British First account promoting a fake Telegraph headline that Starmer is setting up detention camps. He then deleted it but he is really is going all on this.

Detention camps for who?

jfman 08-08-2024 11:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180923)
Elon Musk just retweeted a British First account promoting a fake Telegraph headline that Starmer is setting up detention camps. He then deleted it but he is really is going all on this.

In fairness to Elon. If he was wanting to weaponise his platform to influence, and radicalise, people at a wider scale Britain is absolutely ripe for it. The Johnson, Sunak, Starmer and Farages of this world have all laid the ground work with their relentless messaging to demonise migrants.

All he’s doing is testing flipping the medium from The Sun, the Daily Mail and Telegraphs of the mainstream press. If he was able to usurp the undue influence of the written and broadcast press in the UK it’d give him disproportionate influence over policy making for decades to come as we’ve seen with Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Lord Lebedev.

Make it work here - where next? Australia, New Zealand, the USA.

Damien 08-08-2024 11:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180924)
Detention camps for who?

The far-right rioters arrested over the last week

Stephen 08-08-2024 11:54

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 
Sorry but saying there are too many immigrants or illegal immigrants is not demonising them. If people are coming to that conclusion, then that is their own issues hearing what they want to hear.fsrrage is definitely guilty of demonising them, that's his main narrative.

Damien 08-08-2024 12:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180925)
All he’s doing is testing flipping the medium from The Sun, the Daily Mail and Telegraphs of the mainstream press. If he was able to usurp the undue influence of the written and broadcast press in the UK it’d give him disproportionate influence over policy making for decades to come as we’ve seen with Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Lord Lebedev.

Make it work here - where next? Australia, New Zealand, the USA.

The US is already a hotbed of conspiracism. Worse than us.

I think what Elon Musk is doing is worse than the press here, they wouldn't go so far as to fake an entire article and detention camps, but he has more reach and is a foreign actor in all this which is additionally concerning. However much we disagree, Brits are all vested in avoiding societal collapse and turning us into a low-trust society. Elon Musk doesn't. We're a petri dish he can play with for his amusement. It's why he excitedly tweets about the UK coming to a civil war and promoting any evidence he can to that effect, he doesn't really give a damn if it happens or not.

We have systems to hold our government accountable, to hold each other accountable and to hold the press accountable to some extent. There is little power we have over these American tech giants.

Pierre 08-08-2024 12:43

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All the parties gleefully use X to peddle their own narratives, often divisive and borderline mis-informing, sometimes outright lies.

It’s a bit cry-bully, to be whinging about Musk.

papa smurf 08-08-2024 12:56

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Oh dear me
labour councilor calls for throats to be cut

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/...ls_a_crowd_of/


https://order-order.com/2024/08/08/l...s-of-fascists/


Far left thuggery in action.

hope the full force of the law comes down on this idiot

jfman 08-08-2024 13:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180928)
The US is already a hotbed of conspiracism. Worse than us.

I think what Elon Musk is doing is worse than the press here, they wouldn't go so far as to fake an entire article and detention camps, but he has more reach and is a foreign actor in all this which is additionally concerning. However much we disagree, Brits are all vested in avoiding societal collapse and turning us into a low-trust society. Elon Musk doesn't. We're a petri dish he can play with for his amusement. It's why he excitedly tweets about the UK coming to a civil war and promoting any evidence he can to that effect, he doesn't really give a damn if it happens or not.

We have systems to hold our government accountable, to hold each other accountable and to hold the press accountable to some extent. There is little power we have over these American tech giants.

I’ve certainly read entirely fabricated stories in the UK press, sometimes at the whim of Downing Street and the establishment. Sure, not all of them are football fans urinating on the dead at Hillsborough, but it absolutely happens to stir up resentment for or against some groups. Similarly Piers Morgan’s famous staged photos of British soldiers abusing prisoners in Iraq. Didn’t do him any harm in the end.

I don’t think we are all invested in avoiding societal collapse any more. I’m not convinced the underclass would notice the difference. Which is where it’s a bit problematic that they’re underfunding the thin blue line to keep us apart.

daveeb 08-08-2024 13:14

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180907)
looks like protesters pulled a fast one last night ,drawing out thousands of anti protest supporters to areas where nothing happened,panic sets in as soon as the false info hits social media,will people be on the streets every time someone posts false info ,if so it still takes up police time and resorces.

They didn't turn up for a fight though just a peaceful counter protest with no arrests. You sound disappointed there was no trouble. Is your Smurf bloodline mixed with Muppet by any chance?

Pierre 08-08-2024 14:08

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And it works

papa smurf 08-08-2024 14:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180937)
And it works

It sure does just look at the front pages of the newspapers

Damien 08-08-2024 14:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180937)
And it works

Not what the polling suggests:
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/08/1.jpg

Pierre 08-08-2024 14:35

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Labour Councillor Ricky Jones, currently the hot topic on X, videoed calling for “Far Right” protestors to have theirs throats slit.

I’d say that’s a slam dunk incitement to violence.

The met are just currently assessing what tier he’s assigned to, before they take action.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180939)

I don’t hold much sway with YouGov polls…that said only psychopaths would support violence/ unrest.

In regards to the protests, I would think it would depend very much on where you asked the question.

Damien 08-08-2024 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180940)
I don’t hold much sway with YouGov polls…that said only psychopaths would support violence/ unrest.

In regards to the protests, I would think it would depend very much on where you asked the question.

Sure but then I don't understand your original point because I would say large parts of the media have been critical of immigration numbers. The Daily Mail and The Sun obviously but during the campaign the BBC and Sky were also showing graphs where the number went up drastically in recent years.

I would say the media have been critical of immigration but also critical of the riots, which is also where I think the majority of the country is.

ianch99 08-08-2024 14:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36180920)
That old guy is shocking. So racist and so dumb that he doesn't realise it or can't admit it.

Farage isn't that old :)

jfman 08-08-2024 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36180944)
Farage isn't that old :)

Neither is Starmer. A lower age limit might stop someone being US President but it’s no barrier to scapegoating migrants if and when it’s politically advantageous.

denphone 08-08-2024 16:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36180932)
Oh dear me
labour councilor calls for throats to be cut

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/...ls_a_crowd_of/


https://order-order.com/2024/08/08/l...s-of-fascists/


Far left thuggery in action.

hope the full force of the law comes down on this idiot

Whether its far left or far right thuggery the book should be thrown at them.

papa smurf 08-08-2024 16:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36180947)
Whether its far left or far right thuggery the book should be thrown at them.

:tu:

He's been arrested for encouraging murder

A man in his 50s has been arrested on suspicion of encouraging murder for an offence under the Public Order Act, the Metropolitan Police have confirmed.

The arrest comes after Labour councillor Nicky Jones was filmed calling for "cut throats" of far-right protestors.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-after-labour

Hugh 08-08-2024 16:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36180947)
Whether its far left or far right thuggery the book should be thrown at them.

Totally agree…

daveeb 08-08-2024 16:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36180947)
Whether its far left or far right thuggery the book should be thrown at them.

It has been, old news but Lucy Connolly the wife of a Tory councillor arrested for saying immigrant hostels should be set alight (then complaining about the carnage afterwards). Hopefully they both end up where they belong.


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/ne...n-fire-380501/

jfman 08-08-2024 16:51

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Does Britain really have a far-left thuggery problem? It always seemed to me like centrist panty-wetting whenever their moral hypocrisy was called out as we blindly supported American foreign policy objectives

(Setting aside of course Oxbridge students smashing the windows of their future employers in the banking sector every May Day)

papa smurf 08-08-2024 17:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180952)
Does Britain really have a far-left thuggery problem? It always seemed to me like centrist panty-wetting whenever their moral hypocrisy was called out as we blindly supported American foreign policy objectives

(Setting aside of course Oxbridge students smashing the windows of their future employers in the banking sector every May Day)

Never underestimate the pink haired muesli crunching brigade

Pierre 08-08-2024 17:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180952)
Does Britain really have a far-left thuggery problem?

Not to the extent of Antifa in the US, But the Trans Rights Activists can get pretty nasty.

Hugh 08-08-2024 17:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180952)
Does Britain really have a far-left thuggery problem? It always seemed to me like centrist panty-wetting whenever their moral hypocrisy was called out as we blindly supported American foreign policy objectives

(Setting aside of course Oxbridge students smashing the windows of their future employers in the banking sector every May Day)

You are Dave Spart, and I claim my five pounds… :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/08/2.jpg

Damien 08-08-2024 17:23

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https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1821565031047123043

Quote:

UPDATE: Officers have arrested a man aged in his 50s at an address in South East London.

He was held on suspicion of encouraging murder and for an offence under the Public Order Act.
What an idiot. Those are pretty serious charges.

Chris 08-08-2024 17:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180957)
https://x.com/metpoliceuk/status/1821565031047123043



What an idiot. Those are pretty serious charges.

Only slightly more stupid than standing next to him and applauding while wearing official trade union / charity high-vis. Utter, utter morons, who claim to be ‘against hate’ whilst being totally blind to their own.

---------- Post added at 17:32 ---------- Previous post was at 17:27 ----------

I should add, people doing this sort of thing in ‘normal times’ might expect to get away with a slapped wrist and community service, but the sentencing hearing from Liverpool this morning is worth listening to … it illustrates in detail how this sort of thing, in the context of rioting and disorder, is treated somewhat differently. He will be very lucky indeed not to spend time in jail. Fool.

Sentencing remarks begin 4 minutes into this video:


Damien 08-08-2024 17:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36180958)
Only slightly more stupid than standing next to him and applauding while wearing official trade union / charity high-vis. Utter, utter morons, who claim to be ‘against hate’ whilst being totally blind to their own.

I think it's a case of people who get into little bubbles where they use this hyperbolic language to signal to others within their group that they are righteous but then hit the reality of the real world. Just casual expressions of violence and dehumanisation and this time it's gone too far and he is looking at an actual prison.

Hopefully, this too provides a reality check to people that violent language has consequences - it's not a rhetorical bit of language you can use simply to express yourself.

---------- Post added at 17:41 ---------- Previous post was at 17:39 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36180958)
He will be very lucky indeed not to spend time in jail. Fool.

Surely even at other times encouraging murder is a prison sentence? I tried to find CPS guidelines but it kept giving me 'conspiracy to murder' which isn't the same thing.

Chris 08-08-2024 17:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180961)
I think it's a case of people who get into little bubbles where they use this hyperbolic language to signal to others within their group that they are righteous but then hit the reality of the real world. Just casual expressions of violence and dehumanisation and this time it's gone too far and he is looking at an actual prison.

Hopefully, this too provides a reality check to people that violent language has consequences - it's not a rhetorical bit of language you can use simply to express yourself.

---------- Post added at 17:41 ---------- Previous post was at 17:39 ----------



Surely even at other times encouraging murder is a prison sentence? I tried to find CPS guidelines but it kept giving me 'conspiracy to murder' which isn't the same thing.

IANAL but without the aggravating factor of this week’s rioting, his brief could probably argue it was rhetoric that got out of hand and unlikely to be understood as an actual call for murder by anyone present. The fact that he is speaking in direct response to rioting, at a time there is a risk more riots will break out, is what is going to sink him.

jfman 08-08-2024 17:49

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In many respects these counter-demonstrations are counter-productive. They divert police resources and it only takes finding one or two morons (they're everywhere) and suddenly you've got a full page on page 5 of the Telegraph 'both sidesing' it.

Very, very easy for nefarious forces to hold those up as an example of double standards - that crowd clearly feels it's the acceptable face of demonstrating when it clearly isn't.

Pierre 08-08-2024 18:53

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Very easy to find morons on both sides.

The uneasy Far Left alliance with the Islamist Far Right, Can deliver just as many idiots and violent thugs as the perceived U.K. Far Right.

Useful idiots everywhere.

1andrew1 08-08-2024 19:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36180958)
Only slightly more stupid than standing next to him and applauding while wearing official trade union / charity high-vis. Utter, utter morons, who claim to be ‘against hate’ whilst being totally blind to their own.

If the Amnesty high vis jacket wearer is employed by them, she must be anticipating a difficult meeting with HR sooner than later.

Chris 08-08-2024 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180973)
If the Amnesty high vis jacket wearer is employed by them, she must be anticipating a difficult meeting with HR sooner than later.

[offtopic]

When I was a journo we had a local Green Party councillor who used to drive round in a car with a massive WWF logo on either side and had a habit of driving up to wherever he saw a perceived wildlife crime in progress to remonstrate loudly with whoever it happened to be.

He had been repeatedly asked by the actual WWF to refrain from doing so.

:D

[/offtopic]

RichardCoulter 08-08-2024 20:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180961)
I think it's a case of people who get into little bubbles where they use this hyperbolic language to signal to others within their group that they are righteous but then hit the reality of the real world. Just casual expressions of violence and dehumanisation and this time it's gone too far and he is looking at an actual prison.

Hopefully, this too provides a reality check to people that violent language has consequences - it's not a rhetorical bit of language you can use simply to express yourself.

---------- Post added at 17:41 ---------- Previous post was at 17:39 ----------



Surely even at other times encouraging murder is a prison sentence? I tried to find CPS guidelines but it kept giving me 'conspiracy to murder' which isn't the same thing.

The PM also said that crimes committed online wouldn't be tolerated either.

Discussion of the riots must be being monitored as someone I know received a police visit this morning because of something he'd posted on the internet.

jfman 08-08-2024 21:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36180975)
[offtopic]

When I was a journo we had a local Green Party councillor who used to drive round in a car with a massive WWF logo on either side and had a habit of driving up to wherever he saw a perceived wildlife crime in progress to remonstrate loudly with whoever it happened to be.

He had been repeatedly asked by the actual WWF to refrain from doing so.

:D

[/offtopic]

Probably infringing on Stone Cold Steve Austin’s image rights or something. ;)

Chris 08-08-2024 21:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180980)
Probably infringing on Stone Cold Steve Austin’s image rights or something. ;)

Somehow knew someone would make this gag :D

Actually he eventually ended up in front of the beak charged with assault at a nature reserve. He set upon someone with a tree branch because he thought they were interfering with great crested newts.

Hugh 08-08-2024 22:45

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https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/08/woman...sted-21389346/

Quote:

The woman accused of being first to spread the fake rumours about the Southport killer which sparked nationwide riots has been arrested.

Racist riots spread across the country after misinformation spread on social media claiming the fatal stabbing was carried out by Ali Al-Shakati, believed to be a fictitious name, a Muslim aslyum seeker who was on an MI6 watchlist.

A 55-year-old woman from Chester has now been arrested on suspicion of publishing written material to stir up racial hatred, and false communication. She remains in police custody.

Chief Superintendent Alison Ross said: ‘We have all seen the violent disorder that has taken place across the UK over the past week, much of which has been fuelled by malicious and inaccurate communications online.

‘It’s a stark reminder of the dangers of posting information on social media platforms without checking the accuracy.

‘It also acts as a warning that we are all accountable for our actions, whether that be online or in person.’

1andrew1 09-08-2024 08:53

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Interesting but not unexpected. Labour's policy of not using asylum hotels should ease this as should its recruitment of 1,000 staff to clear the backlog of asylum applications.

Quote:

Far-right riots centred on England’s deprivation hotspots

Seven of the ten most deprived areas of England witnessed riots in the past two weeks, according to a Financial Times analysis of where far-right violence flared across the country.

Many of the areas affected also have a higher-than-average proportion of asylum seekers in taxpayer-funded accommodation, a legacy of the previous Conservative government’s policy of housing migrants in hotels in cheaper areas while they are being processed.

As of Thursday afternoon, violence has broken out in 23 local authorities since July 30.

Seven — Middlesbrough, Blackpool, Liverpool, Hartlepool, Hull, Manchester and Blackburn — are in the top 10 most deprived areas, according to the government’s Indices of Deprivation.

Home Office data shows these seven are also home to some of the highest numbers of asylum seekers receiving government support and accommodation per capita of the population.

Liverpool is one of the top ten locations for asylum seekers receiving government support out of more than 300 local authorities in England.

“These are often communities that are already socio-economically deprived, and have high unemployment, which can contribute to a sense that there is competition for scant resources,” said Rob McNeil, deputy director of the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford.

He added that asylum accommodation tended to be concentrated in struggling areas because it was more affordable for the government.

Zoe Bantleman, a barrister and legal director of the Immigration Law Practitioners’ Association, said the body had long opposed the Tory decision to house tens of thousands of asylum seekers in hotels in struggling towns and cities.

“Prior governments chose to place people seeking asylum in cheap hotels, with private companies profiting millions,” she said. “They ignored our calls to find people community-based accommodation in areas of the UK with the necessary support and infrastructure.”

She added: “Senior politicians then stigmatised people seeking asylum in hotels, for their cost to the public purse, making hotels a lightning pole for rioters.”

Around 35 per cent of the roughly 100,000 asylum seekers receiving government support were housed in hotels in March of this year, according to Home Office data.
https://www.ft.com/content/c8317b53-...7-59f9ac9267c9

papa smurf 09-08-2024 09:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36181007)
Interesting but not unexpected. Labour's policy of not using asylum hotels should ease this as should its recruitment of 1,000 staff to clear the backlog of asylum applications.


https://www.ft.com/content/c8317b53-...7-59f9ac9267c9

What happens to them when the backlog is cleared ?


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