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No doubt

Indeed, I don’t disagree but the reason he liked by so many, and indeed hated by so many (mainly establishment types) is that he is not a polished politician….still….he has no filter and says lots of things a career politician wouldn’t.

Is the joke in poor taste? Yes, it was the first thing I said several posts ago. Should you say it as a presidential candidate in front of an audience……..probably not.

Would you say it at home or to a group of friends……probably yes.

That’s who and what he is.

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Remember when he had a go at McCain for being captured? He's always been like this.

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The mood around the Democrats has completely changed. They haven't been his energised since Obama, and Harris isn't that calibre of candidate but the relief of not having Biden and the prospect of having a chance has transformed them.

Look at this from their Democratic Roll Call which they did via a montage of music from each state including this:

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The US is all image and no substance, whichever party. Personality, showbiz patizanship over policy and reality. Sums the crappy country up.

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By contrast, Andrew Neil reported from the Republican Camp
https://x.com/afneil/status/1825976199568355713

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Andrew Neil is a well known communist ( and former GB News presenter). Fake news. ;)

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It doesn't work and it's not funny as it wasn't said as a joke. Trump repeated that claim on more than one instance, even when questioned on what he said by a reporter. He just doubled down on it.

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Can’t argue with that.

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Yes it does, yes it is, yes it was.

Happy to review the transcripts from the other instances you cite, if you have them.

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The Guardian, usually useful until it tells you the stories you (people in general; not Pierre) don’t want to hear, is reporting RFK Jr withdraws by the end of the week.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...mp-latest-news

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https://www.militarytimes.com/vetera...ltimate-honor/

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I knew I could rely on Hugh.

However nothing in that article changes anything, whatsoever.

He says it, he says his reasoning for the joke. His original quote:

And he clarifies

That was his joke….he may backtrack a bit a now.

But the joke was …….you’re better off getting the presidential medal of honour as if you’re getting the military medal of honour, you’re most likely dead, or FUBAR.

Nothing you have posted changes the original context.

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It wasn't said as a joke. That's his honest thoughts on it. He never said or claimed that it was meant as a 'joke'.

Not that he would know anything about military service or fighting for his country.

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RFK, a sane democrat, has suspended his own campaign and endorsed Trump.

RFK Jr suspends campaign to 'throw support' behind Trump https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy5ekxlwzgo

The guy is a dyed in the wool democrat.

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A dyed in the wool, 'I'm not going to win which corrupt politician will give me a job if I back them....'. The Dems might rightly have told him to FO. They can afford to as they are running away with this.

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thats only one they are lots of Republicans endsoring Harris

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Yeah there was a few republicans speaking at the DNC yesterday, some quite logical thinking and speaking from them too.they know Trump is bad news for the country.

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It's clear he was running as a spoiler and is now dropping out because he'll take more votes from Trump than Harris. Sounds like he was offered a job as well which he tried to get before with Trump.

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Yeah, this is pretty much like Stephen Kinnock or Hilary Benn, joining the Tory’s .

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lol no it isn't. He has never held an office as a Democrat.

It would be the equivalent of one of their children joining the Tories after failed attempts to become a Labour MP. Their family history makes it interesting but it's not a defection.

His name is what has an impact but he hasn't been a key figure within the party for decades and was running against them after failing to get anywhere in the primaries.

This has been coming ever since it became clear he was costing Trump more than Harris and his polling dropped below 5%. He even tried a few weeks ago to get a job from the Trump administration.

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Hopefully no RFK at least improves the polling data.

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True. There were the same questions we have here about third parties. How much of them will go back to one of the big two on election day.

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The question is, no matter how small, who was voting for RFK?

Disaffected Dems or disaffected Reps? Probably not Reps,

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I also didn’t get the impression (and happy to be corrected) every poll to date offered a 3 way choice. A low single digit percentage with the margins of error quoted really risked massively over or underestimating his vote share.

I know in reality the election is a two way choice. But comparing polls with and without is like comparing apples and pears.

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When it was Biden then he was getting disaffected Democrats but those numbers tanked when Harris came in. His poll numbers dropped and he became a bigger liability to Trump. Hence he asked for a job from Trump and his running mate said the other day they might have to withdraw because they're now taking more from Trump than Harris.

We knew this was coming as soon as it became clear he was a negative rather than a positive for Trump.

https://x.com/OwenWntr/status/1825619067337847121

His dropping out is good for Trump because a few voters will go back to him but the endorsement at this point is pretty worthless as he had little Democratic support left and kind of burnt his goodwill amongst them long ago.

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Oh yes preferring to eat a road kill bear cub over having the covid vaccine is the definition of sane and who said


it was tfg less than 4 months ago btw

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If it was in a nice curry. I’d eat a road kill bear cub.

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Lol.

I think this move is what some might call nothing burger.

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The more I think about it, I don't really see the RFK vote changing much. It's a protest vote that could just as likely break either way, or more likely just stays at home.

It'll be a minor blip somewhere in a lot of noise around the Dems convention. What kind of bounce Harris gets will be interesting.

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Apparently, not that simple…

https://www.usnews.com/news/national...izarre-moments

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They always 'suspend' their campaign for financial reasons. Something to do with how the money they owe is handled differently.

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Skybet now offering 10/11 for both Harris and Trump.

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I bet JD Vance is thrilled by this retweet by Former President Trump.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1724505175

He’ll be looking for a couch to f……..aint upon…

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So, the anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist presidential candidate who dumped a bear cub carcass in Central Park and had part of his brain eaten by a worm has endorsed a convicted felon fraudster…

h/t @brianklass

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Having trouble sleeping at night? Is your TDS spreading? Have you developed RFK-itus?

Don’t worry about it..I don’t.

There is help available.

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Oh no not the TDS nonsense again.

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It's amazing how Trump fans obediently regurgitate this. It's a but cultish.

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And weird…

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Almost projection as they are the ones suffering from some sort of delusional symptoms. Sitting on, believing and trusting every thing he says without question.

But it's not a cult.

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They are exactly what they accuse you of.

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That's the cult of Trumpism - "don't trust what the rest of the world says, ignore the media, they're all in it together, just trust me your leader Donald and donate please as much as you are able." ;)

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TDS :confused:

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That line all the Trump cultists hit out with when people slate Trump. Trump derangement syndrome apparently.

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A deflection technique used by Trump's faithful followers, standing for Trump Derangement Syndrome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_...ement_syndrome

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Good grief. :rolleyes:

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It’s like Captain Kirk getting yelled at in 1980s San Francisco and yelling back “Yeah … well … double dumb-ass on you!”

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Deltapoll asked UK adults who they would vote for if they had a vote in the US election. The headline result is Harris 52%, Trump 26%, Don’t Know 22%. However, break it down by British voters’ support for British parties and it’s … revealing.

Labour: Harris 64 v 20 Trump
Tory: Harris 57 v 23 Trump
Lib Dem: Harris 74 v 16 Trump
Reform: Harris 26 v 58 Trump.

https://deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/u...Election-1.pdf

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Wouldn't expect anything else from Reform voters.

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Tbf they are 'weird' 😉

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It is…….it shows that the Tory party and Tory voters aren’t really to the right any more.

It confirms that Labour/conservative are an interchangeable uni-party, that do not represent the working class and gleefully ignore them……..pushing them to look for an alternative.

Not weird, actually quite obvious.

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I think perhaps you don’t understand American politics. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are right wing when calibrated against social and economic norms of British politics. Trump, however, is an extremist, to the point where plenty of card-carrying republicans who served under him in his 2016-2020 administration, are refusing to endorse him. Some of them have endorsed Kamala Harris.

You might expect Tory supporters to be sympathetic to the party of Ronald Reagan in normal times. Trump is not normal times. Apparently Reform UK supporters are the only ones who don’t see that in significant numbers.

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I'm pleased to see that Tory voters have seen through Trump. Surprised that LibDem voters favour Harris more than Labour supporters do. Not really surprised by the Reform figures.

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If i had a vote and the choice was the cackling hyena or mr vain i wouldn't bother voting

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Oh, I think I have a decent grasp of modern American politics, I’ll give you Democrats may show up on the right economically, and perhaps some older boomers Socially, but I would argue that Dems now peg further left socially in some areas than we do.

The fact that half the country voted for him in 2016, and again in 2020, and will no doubt do so again in a few months……….would suggest that Trump is indeed “normal times”

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Maybe it suggests they would have won the popular vote by a landside if Don Old wasn't the candidate, the fact they didn't probably means he's Done this time too

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Don Old :D

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I wonder what British politics would look like if we had the land mass of the US with highly populated and "wealthy" coastal areas and an hinterland that is more agricultural, sparsely populated and much "wilder" than anything in the UK. (Given other factors remain similar - monarchy, historic development etc.)
What I never get in US politics is the cost of running. Imagine if they reduced the cost to a smallish deposit, limited spending on TV advertising and so on and also limited campaigning and collecting funds to a brief election period.

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The Electoral College also distorts things as does having each state - irrespective of size - return two senators. American politics would also look very different if California didn't have the same representation as North Dakota.

How would the UK look under an equivalent system? It would reduce London's influence.

The other thing is we're too small to support multiple media ecosystems, at least offline, so we can't be too alienated from each other. Most British people are frequently exposed to each other and have common experiences and cultural reference points. As much as we like to mock each other and play up differences most of us aren't so dissimilar in terms of culture that we can't relate to each other and that reduces the ability for too much division.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...755f474d967afa

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Where is our resident translator trumpslator ?

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CNN call out Kamala Harris for using Trump’s border wall in campaign

https://youtu.be/TW4AW4AqLC4?si=yz2UBiPTn-BuxwVY

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Harris steals Trumps policy on taxing tips..

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/11/kam...ervice-workers

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Assessment of Harris’ softball CNN interview, in which she failed to answer convincingly on any issue.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...dly-in-harris/

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Hold my beer

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Child care is very important, I had Senator Rubio and Ivanka work on it in my last administration

I’m going to put tariffs on imports, not crippling, but increase tariffs, that will more than cover an increase in any child care proposals

I’m going to reduce the deficit to zero, and eliminate waste and fraud, I’m going to free up so much money there’ll be plenty to fund childcare.

Childcare is expensive, but in the great scheme of things I’m going to generate so much cash, trillions, that it’s not that expensive. We’ll look after our own first, we need to MAGA, because we’re currently in the crapper. I’ll sort it out.

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The Cato Institute, an American libertarian think tank, has this to say about Trump's tariff proposals.

https://www.cato.org/blog/trumps-tar...-170-years-ago

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He has been saying for days now that tariffs are a tax on foreign countries, which he will force them to pay. Catnip to MAGA idiots naturally, because it’s unlikely they will understand what is actually going to happen (i.e. what tariffs actually are, who actually pays them).

Your translation is … ah … lacking nuance.

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Just translating what was in front of me.

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How much revenue would these tariffs raise from imports though?

The article doesn’t say?

Not the greatest article in regards to detail is it?

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The signals that he thinks he’s going to lose just keep getting stronger. This is a man in a panic.

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And that is music to my ears.

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Trump: "I better win or you're gonna have problems like we've never had. We may have no country left. This may be our last election. You want to know the truth? People have said that. This may be our last election."

https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1832515102081204410

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This is the voice of a sad loser who has picked up a Monopoly card that says "Go directly to jail. Do not pick up $200" and he's trying to knock the board over to end the game.

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well he hasn't lost yet.

Tomorrow night should be a popcorn event.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...f3af1c77&ei=30

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Key takeaways:

1. Her one true crime is SHE HATES ME!
2. I wish I could have Joe Biden back, I might have beaten him

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3. She might be a Marxist.

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She obviously isn't a Marxist come on. The American's obsession with calling anything to the left of them a socialist or Marxist is so stupid and we don't need to join in. I can't believe how dumb some of this stuff is.

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Nah, the rest of it is just campaign mud-slinging. It’s the stuff he says without quite meaning to that’s truly interesting.

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Just playing.

I don’t think she’s a Marxist…….it’s worse. I think she’s an idiot.

She’s obviously achieved things professionally in her career, but that does not make her a stateswoman.

We’ve had 4 years of dementia Joe, not knowing where he is , or who he is. If Harris gets in we’ll have 4 years of someone who talks like a reception teacher talking to 4 yr olds.


Whoohoo!

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I think you mean "they'll" have.
We'll still have Starmer, try to remember we're in the UK. :)

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And looking more like "when" Harris gets in and not "if" after Trump lost yesterday's debate.

He also bottled agreeing to another debate and saw Taylor Swift endorse Harris and troll his "weird" running mate by signing off her post as "Childless Cat Lady".

No amount of fake assertions like those he was called out on yesterday by the moderator will win over the undecided.

Barring a miracle, he looks doomed and more likely to make it to the jail house than the White House

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It seems not to have gone so well for the Donald last night.

Harris, who is known to have been training for this event against an actor briefed to dress and act like Trump, seems to have gone in with a strategy of trying to trigger him to say all his most mental lines. And it seems to have worked.

The stuff about Haitian immigrants eating all the dogs and cats in an Ohio town is unhinged. And it turns out you can set it to the Peanuts theme tune.

https://x.com/kbearhill/status/18337...56-Kgau3lzowJw

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I think his goose is cooked.

It seems clear that he came 2nd in that debate, and that will just make him more unhinged. Get ready for peak Trump over the next few weeks.

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Well Kamala Harris its yours to lose after Trumps calamities last night.

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she was still trotting out the "very fine people on both sides" crap. Do americans still fall for that after it's been debunked so many times?

Question is, how much does that debate actually move the needle?

There's probably very little that will change between now and November, so both candidates will probably enter the election with the numbers they have now.

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Certainly was a popcorn event!

I get that Trump has not lost the 2024 election yet but he lost the 2020 one and he's been complaining ever since.

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Trump’s running mate was being interviewed today on Fox News today, and he was asked what he thought of Taylor Swift endorsing Kamala Harris.

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Very good.

(Tbf I haven't a clue who Taylor Swift is. Am I ' out of the loop'? )

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I suggest Mr K is a closet Swifty and has several sequinned outfits left over from the shows he's recently been to ;)

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Like I say

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Like you say...

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Indeed, it’s a sad state of affairs when the only plus points of the democratic candidate is that she isn’t a senile old man, and that that may be all it takes to get her over the line.

It’s a toss of a coin at this point. With the coin slightly weighted towards Harris.

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It led to Taylor Swift feeling comfortable enough to endorse her and then to encourage her followers to register to vote. And over 300,000 did so.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ote-rcna170740

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probably about 5% will be over 18.

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She'll appeal to a LOT of first-time female voters. I doubt many will change their minds being Swift endorsed here but yes she might make a marginal difference to turn out if she encourages people to register.

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So a leader who appreciates the level needed to communicate to a good percentage of the population. Speaking clearly and slowly, with a friendly demeanour and using small words.

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https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/06/many-...nited%20States.

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Whilst I don’t doubt she has a lot of fans, I think the accounting practices in that article are a bit suspect.

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Speaking of "massive meltdowns"…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1726435039

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...st-2024-09-15/

;)

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Once, every village had an idiot. It took MAGA to make one a leader.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/p...ies/index.html

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Ha. For the first time in decades. Teamsters fail to endorse the Democrat in the room. Not surprised, she’s utterly dire. Even on Oprah last night. Oprah had the look of not being able to save her. She’s a complete word salad.