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SnoopZ 01-05-2024 10:01

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Could someone tell me please what date Octopus send a monthly bill when smart meters are installed, normally I would do a meter reading to get that, my smart meters got installed on the 5th?

Edit

I emailed support the bill is now in, its nice to see usage listed daily and says less than £1 usage per day for each fuel for the period from 5th to 29th April, costing just £66.39.

Sirius 01-05-2024 11:42

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174283)
Could someone tell me please what date Octopus send a monthly bill when smart meters are installed, normally I would do a meter reading to get that, my smart meters got installed on the 5th?

Edit

I emailed support the bill is now in, its nice to see usage listed daily and says less than £1 usage per day for each fuel for the period from 5th to 29th April, costing just £66.39.

They take the payment on the 26th of each month for me, the bill then shows on the 14th of each month. Other than Shell trying a fast one with their last reading before handing over to Octopus . Thankfully Octopus jumped on it straight away and refused to accept as Shell gave them my smart meter reading for the last year and it did not tally. Other than that hiccup my bills have been perfect.

Paul 01-05-2024 19:46

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Given my meter is way past its EOL (E7 meter from 1989) I'm going to have to replace it.
Getting another analogue meter is looking unlikely now, as no one seems to fit them anymore.

So I'm now thinking I may as well do it sooner rather than later, i.e. in the summer.
That would mean I could look at moving to Octopus before next winter if I so desire.

Having an old E7 meter also hampers any move as some, like Octupus, always quote me E7 prices.

SnoopZ 01-05-2024 20:32

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36174304)
Given my meter is way past its EOL (E7 meter from 1989) I'm going to have to replace it.
Getting another analogue meter is looking unlikely now, as no one seems to fit them anymore.

So I'm now thinking I may as well do it sooner rather than later, i.e. in the summer.
That would mean I could look at moving to Octopus before next winter if I so desire.

Having an old E7 meter also hampers any move as some, like Octupus, always quote me E7 prices.

https://octopus.energy/joining-smart...itch%20to%20us.
I would advise moving to Octopus before getting smart meters installed, because not all smart meters work with octopus properly which would mean you couldn't take advantage of their smart tariffs.

Dude111 01-05-2024 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul
Given my meter is way past its EOL (E7 meter from 1989) I'm going to have to replace it.
Getting another analogue meter is looking unlikely now, as no one seems to fit them anymore......

No mate please dont feel like you have to cave in to them!!!!

Your meter should stay with you as long as you want it.......

Stay with what your heart feels is better!!

DONT LET THEM WIN PAUL!!!!!!!!

Paul 02-05-2024 02:12

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174308)
https://octopus.energy/joining-smart...itch%20to%20us.
I would advise moving to Octopus before getting smart meters installed, because not all smart meters work with octopus properly which would mean you couldn't take advantage of their smart tariffs.

I believe you are thinking of the old SMETS 1 meters, installations now are the new SMETS2 meters, which thay can easily connect to.
I cant easily move to Octopus first as I noted above, they seem incapable of quoting me a single rate because my meter [correctly] shows on the datebase as a dual (E7) meter. So in my case, its easier to swap first, move later.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36174312)
Your meter should stay with you as long as you want it.......

The real world doesnt work like that. ;)

SnoopZ 02-05-2024 10:25

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36174328)
I believe you are thinking of the old SMETS 1 meters, installations now are the new SMETS2 meters, which thay can easily connect to.
I cant easily move to Octopus first as I noted above, they seem incapable of quoting me a single rate because my meter [correctly] shows on the datebase as a dual (E7) meter. So in my case, its easier to swap first, move later.

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Yes you're correct if it's a SMETS2 you should be ok I hope, if it had been SMETS1 then it needed to be made by SECURE.

The meters Octopus installed for me are Kaifi MA120 for Electricity and EDMI GS-60B for Gas, luckily they have worked perfectly as I got the first bill yesterday.

Corey N Georgie 02-05-2024 11:45

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
We have had a smart meter for about 2-3 years with little issue apart from when they didn't update my account for the first 6 weeks and kept asking for meter readings.

SnoopZ 04-05-2024 12:52

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Does anyone have an Octopus Home Mini thingamajig? I've signed up for it anyway and gone on a waiting list even if I'm not sure it'll be too useful for me, but I do like my stats and since getting Smart Meters and going on their Tracker I check the daily rates and tomorrows rates constantly.

https://octopus.energy/blog/octopus-home-mini/

Sirius 04-05-2024 15:32

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174471)
Does anyone have an Octopus Home Mini thingamajig? I've signed up for it anyway and gone on a waiting list even if I'm not sure it'll be too useful for me, but I do like my stats and since getting Smart Meters and going on their Tracker I check the daily rates and tomorrows rates constantly.

https://octopus.energy/blog/octopus-home-mini/

Like you i have signed up for one. I heard it can take a couple of months. As you may be aware they are free but there are those that have ordered one and then immediately put them on ebay for sale. Anything for a quick buck.

SnoopZ 04-05-2024 16:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36174474)
Like you i have signed up for one. I heard it can take a couple of months. As you may be aware they are free but there are those that have ordered one and then immediately put them on ebay for sale. Anything for a quick buck.

Are you still on the Tracker? It still works out better for me than Agile as there is no hassle, that https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hl=en_GB&gl=US is great along with this especially if you link both to your account. https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36174474)
Like you i have signed up for one. I heard it can take a couple of months. As you may be aware they are free but there are those that have ordered one and then immediately put them on ebay for sale. Anything for a quick buck.

Are you still on the Tracker? It still works out better for me than Agile as there is no hassle, that Octopus Compare app is great along with this especially if you link both to your account. https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker

Sirius 04-05-2024 16:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174475)
Are you still on the Tracker? It still works out better for me than Agile as there is no hassle, that https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hl=en_GB&gl=US is great along with this especially if you link both to your account. https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker

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Are you still on the Tracker? It still works out better for me than Agile as there is no hassle, that Octopus Compare app is great along with this especially if you link both to your account. https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker

I will be staying on tracker this month and will move to Agile next month if the comparator app confirms it is indeed cheaper. As it stands it will save me a minimum £15.00 a month being on Agile

SnoopZ 04-05-2024 16:42

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36174477)
I will be staying on tracker this month and will move to Agile next month if the comparator app confirms it is indeed cheaper. As it stands it will save me a minimum £15.00 a month being on Agile

I've just checked my Octopus Compare app which has my exact daily usage for Electricity and these are my comparisons for the whole of April, so with my usage times Agile is £2.08 cheaper.

So if you're on Agile which only does Electricity can you also stay on the Tracker for your Gas?

Flexible Tariff cost £47.19
Tracker Tariff cost £37.66

Agile Tariff cost £35.58
Tracker Tariff cost £37.66

joglynne 05-05-2024 09:16

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
I am already with Octopus Flexible and have today applied to switch over to a duel Tracker account.

Done a quick comparison, probably the 5th or 6th so far this year :D, and decided to give it a go. If prices spike I can always go back to my safe place ... timorous beastie mode ... so here goes. :)

Will post when I get my email and then again when I get my switch over date so that anyone considering timescales etc can see the current state of play regarding timings.

Add// Immediately received an email with link to accept the terms and conditions. ✔

WOW double WOW ... Fast moving!!!


Great news, we've switched your gas to Octopus Tracker!

Head to our FAQ's to read more about Tracker and what to expect on your monthly statements.

Octopus Tracker
Tracker gives you the most transparent energy pricing in the UK. Every day, we update the price of your energy based on an independently published wholesale market price. The unit rate is capped at 100p/kWh for electricity and 30p/kWh for gas (including VAT).
Tariff info (all prices include VAT)
Reference SILVER-24-04-03
Starts from 12:00 AM, 5th May 2024
Gas
Unit price Changes daily
Standing charge 27.47p per day
Annual usage
Gas 9,732 kWh

Electricity
Unit price 21.02p per kWh
Standing charge 49.12p per day
Annual usage
Electricity 2,688.2 kWh

..... and breath

SnoopZ 05-05-2024 12:58

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36174505)
I am already with Octopus Flexible and have today applied to switch over to a duel Tracker account.

Done a quick comparison, probably the 5th or 6th so far this year :D, and decided to give it a go. If prices spike I can always go back to my safe place ... timorous beastie mode ... so here goes. :)

Will post when I get my email and then again when I get my switch over date so that anyone considering timescales etc can see the current state of play regarding timings.

Add// Immediately received an email with link to accept the terms and conditions. ✔

WOW double WOW ... Fast moving!!!


Great news, we've switched your gas to Octopus Tracker!

Head to our FAQ's to read more about Tracker and what to expect on your monthly statements.

Octopus Tracker
Tracker gives you the most transparent energy pricing in the UK. Every day, we update the price of your energy based on an independently published wholesale market price. The unit rate is capped at 100p/kWh for electricity and 30p/kWh for gas (including VAT).
Tariff info (all prices include VAT)
Reference SILVER-24-04-03
Starts from 12:00 AM, 5th May 2024
Gas
Unit price Changes daily
Standing charge 27.47p per day
Annual usage
Gas 9,732 kWh

Electricity
Unit price 21.02p per kWh
Standing charge 49.12p per day
Annual usage
Electricity 2,688.2 kWh

..... and breath

Welcome to the club!

Yes mine was instant also, the Tracker Tariff is really a no brainer for someone on Octopus with Smart Meters, don't worry about Tracker prices I checked the last 2 years and it stays well below the Flexible Tariff.

Head over to https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker and if you enter your meter info(it's nothing to worry about) you get the API info from your Octopus account, you can then track the prices for Gas and Electricity for tomorrow as it displays a day in advance eventually, there are also other wizz things you can track in it's hamburger menu top right.

Sirius 05-05-2024 14:44

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174479)
I've just checked my Octopus Compare app which has my exact daily usage for Electricity and these are my comparisons for the whole of April, so with my usage times Agile is £2.08 cheaper.

So if you're on Agile which only does Electricity can you also stay on the Tracker for your Gas?

Flexible Tariff cost £47.19
Tracker Tariff cost £37.66

Agile Tariff cost £35.58
Tracker Tariff cost £37.66

Not sure about the gas, i will call them next week to check.

SnoopZ 05-05-2024 15:12

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36174523)
Not sure about the gas, i will call them next week to check.

If you would rather not speak to a human, I always find it easier to email support they have never failed me.

joglynne 05-05-2024 19:30

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174520)
Welcome to the club!

Yes mine was instant also, the Tracker Tariff is really a no brainer for someone on Octopus with Smart Meters, don't worry about Tracker prices I checked the last 2 years and it stays well below the Flexible Tariff.

Head over to https://www.octopriceuk.app/tracker and if you enter your meter info(it's nothing to worry about) you get the API info from your Octopus account, you can then track the prices for Gas and Electricity for tomorrow as it displays a day in advance eventually, there are also other wizz things you can track in it's hamburger menu top right.

I have set up the Octoprice tracker and the octoprice savings. As the tracker account only started from midday to-day I think I will have a better idea of how the figures stack up after the first full week.

SnoopZ 05-05-2024 19:43

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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36174534)
I have set up the Octoprice tracker and the octoprice savings. As the tracker account only started from midday to-day I think I will have a better idea of how the figures stack up after the first full week.

This is what I see on the Octopus Compare mobile app, between Flexible and Tracker, it only does Electricity though, you can tell when my weekends are and I'm at home all day!

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1714935520

joglynne 06-05-2024 09:06

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174536)
This is what I see on the Octopus Compare mobile app, between Flexible and Tracker, it only does Electricity though, you can tell when my weekends are and I'm at home all day!

I'm still waiting for data from 4th April-> to be uploaded on to the dashboard but the app is setup and ready to go.

I'm definitely in impatient mode. :D

SnoopZ 06-05-2024 10:06

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36174573)
I'm still waiting for data from 4th April-> to be uploaded on to the dashboard but the app is setup and ready to go.

I'm definitely in impatient mode. :D

When I first went onto Smart Meters I could see I went days of Octopus not requesting the 30min readings from my Gas meter where as all data for my Electricity Meter got uploaded as normal. I did contact support as I was concerned it wasnt working properly and they said when they request the monthly bill they will pull the data from the Meters so not to worry, but they have done that twice now when I requested it and over the last week the data from my Gas gets uploaded daily.

It's a shame Octopus Compare doesn't support Gas readings, but that other site does which I likely use more.

You should go to the link I posted on 4th May regarding signing up for an Octopus Home Mini thingamajig that may come in handy for seeing the data alot quicker.

joglynne 06-05-2024 10:52

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
I signed up for an Octopus mini yesterday. I only use gas for our central heating with a couple of bowls of hot water a day for washing up. So the 1/2 hour electric monitors have always come in handy.

I used to try to do the saving sessions but during the times they were active there was hardly any electricity being used so gave it up as being a frustrating waste of time for us.

SnoopZ 06-05-2024 11:40

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36174581)
I signed up for an Octopus mini yesterday. I only use gas for our central heating with a couple of bowls of hot water a day for washing up. So the 1/2 hour electric monitors have always come in handy.

I used to try to do the saving sessions but during the times they were active there was hardly any electricity being used so gave it up as being a frustrating waste of time for us.

So you don't use gas for baths and showers?

joglynne 06-05-2024 11:45

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Don't use the bath and we have an electric shower. :D

SnoopZ 06-05-2024 12:15

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36174583)
Don't use the bath and we have an electric shower. :D

Unit prices seem high for the Tracker at the moment but still 4-5 pence cheaper than variable for Electricity, so don't be put off, for me my rates for tomorrow will be 21.12 for Electricity and 4.21 for Gas but that's still 16% and 30% cheaper in my case.

joglynne 06-05-2024 14:37

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Mine will be 20.57 for electricity and 4.16 for gas. I'm not really checking seriously until I have a full week/months figure, although the prices vary day by day it's the overall figures that count.

SnoopZ 06-05-2024 15:27

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36174594)
Mine will be 20.57 for electricity and 4.16 for gas. I'm not really checking seriously until I have a full week/months figure, although the prices vary day by day it's the overall figures that count.

This site gives you information on pricing for the Tracker for the last year, it's mostly below the standard tariff, atleast in my area. Scroll down to get to the graphs.

https://energy-stats.uk/octopus-trac...stern-england/

Taf 07-05-2024 16:00

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Another missive direct from Scottish Power:

"We're obligated by the government to install smart meters in our customers' homes.

The smart meter rollout in the UK has been designed to build a foundation for a smarter, more environmentally friendly energy system that will benefit us all, now and in the future. As part of this nationwide effort, all energy suppliers are obligated by the Government to install smart meters in their customers' homes.

Therefore, please book a smart meter installation appointment as soon as possible."

Taf 10-05-2024 14:26

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"The installation programme of smart meters, launched by the Government in 2011, is hugely over budget and behind schedule.

Ofgem has said it is concerned about the 'slow progress of installations for smart prepayment meters, and the potential impact of that on vulnerable households'.

Late last year, six companies were fined a combined £10.8 million for missing the regulator's 2022 targets."

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Another email from Scottish Power

"How can a smart meter help me save money?

As highlighted by the Energy Saving Trust*: "A smart meter supports you with reducing your energy consumption. When you can see and understand how you're using energy, it helps you manage that. That means lower bills for you and a lower carbon footprint too."

Will my readings and bills be accurate?

Not only does a smart meter monitor your energy use but it also provides us with accurate automatic meter readings2 and, if you choose to have an In-Home Display (IHD), you can see your usage in pounds and pence. Accurate readings mean that you can avoid paying for more energy than you use.

What else does a smart meter give me access to?

The technology provided by a smart meter helps you consider a wider range of energy tariffs and tools. When you become a ScottishPower smart customer you'll be able to access Energy Insights , our handy energy monitoring tool. With Energy Insights you can track your energy habits to pinpoint changes that could help you save energy.

Are smart meters safe?

The smart meters used in Britain have passed strict safety testing and are covered by UK and EU product safety legislation† . Your energy supplier also receives alerts about your smart meter functionality, when it's connected to the network, meaning any potential issues can be identified quickly. For more details, please visit the Smart Energy GB website . Smart meter technology can also be helpful in power cut situations - making it easier to identify outages and get them sorted.

Can I switch suppliers?

Yes. If you have a smart meter, you can switch energy supplier and tariff in exactly the same way that anyone with a traditional meter can."

SnoopZ 10-05-2024 15:09

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Just popped in to Tesco on way home from work to get a free Caramel Custard Donut from Greggs courtesy of OctoPlus, I could get used to these freebies now I have a Greggs in my Tesco Extra I always shop at!

Getting smart meters and going on the Tracker Tariff is probably one of the financially best things I've done.

Sirius 10-05-2024 18:10

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174824)
Just popped in to Tesco on way home from work to get a free Caramel Custard Donut from Greggs courtesy of OctoPlus, I could get used to these freebies now I have a Greggs in my Tesco Extra I always shop at!

Getting smart meters and going on the Tracker Tariff is probably one of the financially best things I've done.

I am going to take the two tickets for £10:00 offer to go and watch Dune 2 next week. I also use the Greggs offer :)

My latest calculations indicate that if i move to Agile i will save £307.00 year. For context we use a lot of electric for various reason one of which is my EV. However the EV is saving me £130 a month over the diesel car i was using for work. We have a very efficient boiler which uses very little gas. So it does look like i will be moving to Agile.

Taf 12-05-2024 17:09

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Peak Charging? The rich won't care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wZn9FFWIig

Dude111 13-05-2024 00:03

No and most dont realise what they will be incurring once they allow this in thier house!!

Im trying to help Paul avoid this..... I hope he stays with his meter!!!!!

Stephen 13-05-2024 03:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36174959)
No and most dont realise what they will be incurring once they allow this in thier house!!

Im trying to help Paul avoid this..... I hope he stays with his meter!!!!!

They really aren't bad or scary.

Also in the real world if your meter is super old and needs replaced then it needs replaced.

SnoopZ 13-05-2024 09:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36174959)
No and most dont realise what they will be incurring once they allow this in thier house!!

Im trying to help Paul avoid this..... I hope he stays with his meter!!!!!

You spread so much rubbish or maybe it's disinformation, I don't think Paul needs your help! Lol

Paul 14-05-2024 03:20

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36174974)
You spread so much rubbish or maybe it's disinformation, I don't think Paul needs your help! Lol

You are correct, and I'll almost certainly be arranging it in the summer.

Dude111 14-05-2024 04:32

Well I hope works out OK for ya buddy :)

SnoopZ 17-05-2024 19:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36174828)
I am going to take the two tickets for £10:00 offer to go and watch Dune 2 next week. I also use the Greggs offer :)

My latest calculations indicate that if i move to Agile i will save £307.00 year. For context we use a lot of electric for various reason one of which is my EV. However the EV is saving me £130 a month over the diesel car i was using for work. We have a very efficient boiler which uses very little gas. So it does look like i will be moving to Agile.

I've seen someone say they are on Agile for Electricity and on Tracker for Gas so you don't have to move back onto flexible for Gas I believe.

Sirius 17-05-2024 20:47

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175217)
I've seen someone say they are on Agile for Electricity and on Tracker for Gas so you don't have to move back onto flexible for Gas I believe.

That,s what they told me on the phone. I am moving at the end of the month to Agile :).

Taf 19-05-2024 12:06

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Next door is having yet another visit to try to make their smart meters actually send out readings.

Dude111 19-05-2024 18:54

I wonder whats stopping it from doing so??

Have ya tried a different meter? (Im assuming they have)

SnoopZ 20-05-2024 07:43

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
I've been away for a week and kept track of my Electricity and Gas usage via the Octopus App. My Electricity daily usage has been around 2kWh and my Gas around 5kWh(this was left on to heat the hot water twice a day). I have an old boiler so maybe I should turn off my hot water and use zero gas when away although it's only costing me 21p a day in Gas usage.

How does this compare to other people's usage when they're away from home for a week? Obviously my Electricity must be from my fridge freezer and when the boiler trips on to heat the hot water mainly.

Taf 20-05-2024 10:44

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36175314)
I wonder whats stopping it from doing so??

Have ya tried a different meter? (Im assuming they have)

They have been changed "several" times, but none can receive a signal or get one through to the nearby masts. But all work when not fitted in place. I strongly belive it's a Faraday Cage effect due to the way the house was built.

Taf 20-05-2024 13:13

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175346)
Gas around 5kWh(this was left on to heat the hot water twice a day). I have an old boiler so maybe I should turn off my hot water and use zero gas when away although it's only costing me 21p a day in Gas usage.

I would set the boiler to only heat water on demand. That would save you a small fortune over time. Upgrading your boiler would really help too.

SnoopZ 20-05-2024 13:20

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36175359)
I would set the boiler to only heat water on demand. That would save you a small fortune over time. Upgrading your boiler would really help too.

I don't have an on demand boiler it's 26 years old and have a hot water Megaflow tank for storage, it's not really cost affective for me to spend £5K or whatever changing it but I will do it before gas boilers are banned as I don't want a heat pump.

It's the Electricity usage I'm more interested in comparing when people are away from home for a week, but I can't do anything about that as obviously the freezer stays on.

Taf 20-05-2024 13:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175360)
It's the Electricity usage I'm more interested in comparing when people are away from home for a week, but I can't do anything about that as obviously the freezer stays on.

We have a chest freezer and fridge that are usually left on when we are away. The usage is usually just under 20kwh per week, so under 3kwh per day.

jonbxx 21-05-2024 08:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175360)
I don't have an on demand boiler it's 26 years old and have a hot water Megaflow tank for storage, it's not really cost affective for me to spend £5K or whatever changing it but I will do it before gas boilers are banned as I don't want a heat pump.

It's the Electricity usage I'm more interested in comparing when people are away from home for a week, but I can't do anything about that as obviously the freezer stays on.

I would check on that. We had a 20+ year old combi boiler that would have cost upwards of £800 to repair so we bit the bullet and bought a new boiler for a smidge over £2000. The savings in gas use was astounding! We reckon the new boiler will pay for itself in under 4 years. That is including spending money on annual servicing to keep the warranty going.

SnoopZ 21-05-2024 09:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36175403)
I would check on that. We had a 20+ year old combi boiler that would have cost upwards of £800 to repair so we bit the bullet and bought a new boiler for a smidge over £2000. The savings in gas use was astounding! We reckon the new boiler will pay for itself in under 4 years. That is including spending money on annual servicing to keep the warranty going.

A few years ago my boiler was repaired for around £800, I did get someone to cost a new boiler and was recommended that as I had a Megaflow I could keep that so would have gone with another conventional boiler to keep it the cost down, so thought about that but decided this time just to get it repaired as I live in a 2 bed house I don't have a huge bill,it's currently £70 a month and this will drop now I'm on the no brainer Tracker Tariff.

If I stay in this house past the decade I will have to get a new boiler fitted as I don't want a heat pump and may not have room for one.

Dude111 21-05-2024 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf
They have been changed "several" times, but none can receive a signal or get one through to the nearby masts. But all work when not fitted in place. I strongly belive it's a Faraday Cage effect due to the way the house was built.

Hmmmm thats very interesting that the signal cant get thru!!!

downquark1 21-05-2024 17:02

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
During the summer I adjust by boiler to only heat water once in the morning (although another time may be best for you).
My tank keeps it warm enough for the rest of the day provided we don't do a lot of washing or bathing.

But if you are away for a week you may as well turn the whole thing off.

SnoopZ 21-05-2024 17:50

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36175430)
During the summer I adjust by boiler to only heat water once in the morning (although another time may be best for you).
My tank keeps it warm enough for the rest of the day provided we don't do a lot of washing or bathing.

But if you are away for a week you may as well turn the whole thing off.

I've never tested only heating the water once, I suspect it'll get rather cool as it'll fill with cold water after showers etc.

I've just calculated my weekly Gas meter £ usage and it's only around £1.40 so I may as well just leave it on as I'm not sure how much Gas would get used to heat the whole tank up from cold on return.

Sirius 21-05-2024 18:13

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Just had the mail confirming my smart mini is on its way. :)

SnoopZ 21-05-2024 18:18

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36175434)
Just had the mail confirming my smart mini is on its way. :)

Not heard anything about mine, did you signup before or after me?

downquark1 21-05-2024 18:22

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175433)
I've never tested only heating the water once, I suspect it'll get rather cool as it'll fill with cold water after showers etc.

I've just calculated my weekly Gas meter £ usage and it's only around £1.40 so I may as well just leave it on as I'm not sure how much Gas would get used to heat the whole tank up from cold on return.

I guarantee it would use less gas overall but it is of course up to you.

Sirius 21-05-2024 18:27

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175436)
Not heard anything about mine, did you signup before or after me?

I think it may have been before, i signed up in Feb.

SnoopZ 21-05-2024 18:30

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36175438)
I think it may have been before, i signed up in Feb.

Yes I only got smart meters April 5th.

Paul 21-05-2024 19:31

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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You could not make this up. :rolleyes:

Got an email the other week ;

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31001

So I logged in today to book one in the summer, I got this ;

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31002

What a bunch of muppets. :dunce:

Dude111 22-05-2024 05:19

Very good.. You can keep your meter mate :)

SnoopZ 22-05-2024 08:45

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36175459)
Very good.. You can keep your meter mate :)

:rolleyes:

SnoopZ 24-05-2024 19:44

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36175434)
Just had the mail confirming my smart mini is on its way. :)

Have you got the Home Mini setup yet and how is it?

Another question does your IHD display the wrong Tariff information as mine does? Luckily my Octopus app and last bill appears to show the correct Tariff pricing.

mrmistoffelees 24-05-2024 19:54

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Booked my install for 21st June. No doubt will be asking here what tariff I should be using too once they’re installed

Sirius 24-05-2024 20:05

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175715)
Have you got the Home Mini setup yet and how is it?

Another question does your IHD display the wrong Tariff information as mine does? Luckily my Octopus app and last bill appears to show the correct Tariff pricing.

I received it today and will set it up tomorrow. Due to being on Tracker my old IHD shows the wrong tariff

SnoopZ 24-05-2024 20:15

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36175719)
I received it today and will set it up tomorrow. Due to being on Tracker my old IHD shows the wrong tariff

I figured it was the Tracker being the issue.

jfman 24-05-2024 20:29

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36175445)
You could not make this up. :rolleyes:

...

What a bunch of muppets. :dunce:

Clowns.

Paul 25-05-2024 01:05

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36175721)
Clowns.

Yes.

That was enough for me, I've set in motion a move to Octopus.

I asked them about E7 and they can switch me to the flat rate (none E7) on my meter once its switched, they just dont have that option on the sign up process.

Once moved, I'll look at getting them to install a new meter instead, then I should be able to think about moving to the tracker tariff.

Sirius 25-05-2024 05:42

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175720)
I figured it was the Tracker being the issue.

My mini is all setup and working. I do like the live view. Screen shot taken whilst charging my car this morning.

SnoopZ 25-05-2024 09:24

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36175735)
My mini is all setup and working. I do like the live view. Screen shot taken whilst charging my car this morning.

Hope I get mine soon then I'll replace the IHD with it.

Anonymouse 25-05-2024 12:06

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
I'm with Utilita for gas and electric - never had any trouble. It's a lot less hassle than taking a meter reading.

SnoopZ 25-05-2024 12:09

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36175751)
I'm with Utilita for gas and electric - never had any trouble. It's a lot less hassle than taking a meter reading.

What are the tariff costs for them? I'm not moving from my Octopus Tracker but id like to compare.

Anonymouse 27-05-2024 00:28

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
I haven't the faintest idea. TBH, I've been with so many providers I've given up caring. I stick with them because they're reliable.

SnoopZ 27-05-2024 09:20

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 36175848)
I haven't the faintest idea. TBH, I've been with so many providers I've given up caring. I stick with them because they're reliable.

You really should find out, log into your account or check a paper statement.

You could save alot of money by switching to Octopus and going on their tracker Tariff or you may learn that yours is a better deal, you don't even have to speak to a human to swap, the new provider does it all automatically when you request a switch and any credit funds go with it.

At the moment(today) I'm saving 23% on Gas and 16% on Electricity being on the Tracker and these are on the high end of the ever changing prices, they're often alot lower.

downquark1 27-05-2024 10:10

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
I have reluctantly signed up for a smart metre. Only because I think this could save money.

SnoopZ 27-05-2024 12:21

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36175859)
I have reluctantly signed up for a smart metre. Only because I think this could save money.

2 meters and are you with Octopus?

Sirius 27-05-2024 12:41

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175740)
Hope I get mine soon then I'll replace the IHD with it.

When you connect it make sure you wait the hour as per the instructions. After the hour you should start to see the live readings appearing on your app.

SnoopZ 27-05-2024 13:10

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36175873)
When you connect it make sure you wait the hour as per the instructions. After the hour you should start to see the live readings appearing on your app.

Thanks, I also heard to make sure both wireless frequencies are separated with different names and passwords as it only connects to 2.4, luckily that is the first thing I did when I got my hub5.

How is your device will it be useful and does it replace your IHD?

Sirius 27-05-2024 17:49

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175877)
Thanks, I also heard to make sure both wireless frequencies are separated with different names and passwords as it only connects to 2.4, luckily that is the first thing I did when I got my hub5.

How is your device will it be useful and does it replace your IHD?

It has replaced the IHD. It is very useful and has already shown me how much power some devices are pulling. Based off that i can look for lower power devices over time.

downquark1 27-05-2024 18:41

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36175872)
2 meters and are you with Octopus?

Yes gas and electric with octopus (my previous provider went bust and was bought by octopus).

I have people in the house all day so my reckoning is I will pay less if I'm on agile. At least if the current trends continue. It won't be difficult to run the dishwasher at night.

Dude111 27-05-2024 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by downquark1
I have reluctantly signed up for a smart metre. Only because I think this could save money.

Lets hope they do :)

SnoopZ 02-06-2024 23:57

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
I had my first full month Tracker bill today, I saved around £11 over SVT, the daily Tracker rates are a little higher this month for some reason but it's still a saving. I didn't have to do the maths the Octoprice site works that out for you.

Paul 03-06-2024 00:49

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Well, my move to Octopus went through ok, in the end.
Lots of fun last week because they created two accounts on my address.
Trying to get them to fix that was ... painful.

I seem to be on something called "Flexible Octopus" atm.
It doesnt mention Economy 7 at all, so that may be fixed already.

Attempted a Smart Meter booking, but its unclear if it worked, as they dont list anything in my account.

SnoopZ 03-06-2024 08:25

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36176286)
Well, my move to Octopus went through ok, in the end.
Lots of fun last week because they created two accounts on my address.
Trying to get them to fix that was ... painful.

I seem to be on something called "Flexible Octopus" atm.
It doesnt mention Economy 7 at all, so that may be fixed already.
Have
Attempted a Smart Meter booking, but its unclear if it worked, as they dont list anything in my account.


Flexible Octopus is the normal Tariff I was on before switching to the Tracker.

Smart meters installed yet?

Hugh 03-06-2024 08:42

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36176286)
Well, my move to Octopus went through ok, in the end.
Lots of fun last week because they created two accounts on my address.
Trying to get them to fix that was ... painful.

I seem to be on something called "Flexible Octopus" atm.
It doesnt mention Economy 7 at all, so that may be fixed already.

Attempted a Smart Meter booking, but its unclear if it worked, as they dont list anything in my account.

I was transferred late February, and all appeared to be going smoothly until the 8th of May bill, where the system credited the April electricity bill, then recharged me for all electricity usage (already paid for) since I was transferred on the 24th February, putting my account nearly £200 in debit (I owed them).

Took me 5 emails and 3 weeks to sort out (I was in North Cyprus for half the time, so I wasn’t going to call them, and once you’ve started an email chain, it’s better, imho, to carry on that route for consistency and continuity) - seems resolved now.

downquark1 03-06-2024 14:05

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36176286)
Well, my move to Octopus went through ok, in the end.
Lots of fun last week because they created two accounts on my address.
Trying to get them to fix that was ... painful.

I seem to be on something called "Flexible Octopus" atm.
It doesnt mention Economy 7 at all, so that may be fixed already.

Attempted a Smart Meter booking, but its unclear if it worked, as they dont list anything in my account.

Flexible Octopus is the non-smart tracker tariff.

They should have sent a confirmation email for the booking.

Sirius 03-06-2024 18:29

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176297)
I was transferred late February, and all appeared to be going smoothly until the 8th of May bill, where the system credited the April electricity bill, then recharged me for all electricity usage (already paid for) since I was transferred on the 24th February, putting my account nearly £200 in debit (I owed them).

Took me 5 emails and 3 weeks to sort out (I was in North Cyprus for half the time, so I wasn’t going to call them, and once you’ve started an email chain, it’s better, imho, to carry on that route for consistency and continuity) - seems resolved now.

I had the same issue, It took a phone call and about 30mins to fix. I was told it was down to Shell messing up the final meter readings which they had sent twice. Octopus was able to check back over my reading and correct the bill. My bills have been fine since.

Hugh 03-06-2024 19:26

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36176335)
I had the same issue, It took a phone call and about 30mins to fix. I was told it was down to Shell messing up the final meter readings which they had sent twice. Octopus was able to check back over my reading and correct the bill. My bills have been fine since.

Agreed - but Octopus should have had some form of validation to ensure that shouldn’t have happened…

Taf 03-06-2024 20:35

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
3 vans turned into 4 as various techs tried to get yet another smart meter to communicate next door. No luck again.

Dude111 04-06-2024 04:41

You would think they would install the meter ABOVE THE ROOF but they dont seem start enough to realise something is going on!!


Do cell phones work inside thier house??

SnoopZ 04-06-2024 09:29

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36176373)
You would think they would install the meter ABOVE THE ROOF but they dont seem start enough to realise something is going on!!


Do cell phones work inside thier house??

Above the roof are you nuts, you didn't think about what that comment implies did you?

Stephen 04-06-2024 09:42

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36176373)
You would think they would install the meter ABOVE THE ROOF, but they don't seem smart enough to realise something is going on!


Do cell phones work inside their house??

Above the roof?? No the meters need to be physically accessible.

Taf 04-06-2024 09:59

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36176373)
Do cell phones work inside thier house??

Only close to windows, I was told, but not in the hall and stairwell on the same side of the house as the meter boxes.

pip08456 04-06-2024 19:30

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36176389)
Only close to windows, I was told, but not in the hall and stairwell on the same side of the house as the meter boxes.

Could the supply meter not be instaaled in a box on the exterior of the building as with many relatvely new (about 20 years) estates?

SnoopZ 10-06-2024 10:12

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36174573)
I'm still waiting for data from 4th April-> to be uploaded on to the dashboard but the app is setup and ready to go.

I'm definitely in impatient mode. :D

How's your first month on the Tracker Tariff?

Not a bad rate yesterday it was 15.14 compared to 25.26 for the flexible tariff in my area, some people on the Agile Tariff got free Electricity too, but Agile isn't suitable for my usage times.

SnoopZ 10-06-2024 17:34

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36175434)
Just had the mail confirming my smart mini is on its way. :)

Just had my email too.

How long did it take to turn up and who delivers it incase I'm not home?

joglynne 10-06-2024 18:50

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36176746)
How's your first month on the Tracker Tariff?

Not a bad rate yesterday it was 15.14 compared to 25.26 for the flexible tariff in my area, some people on the Agile Tariff got free Electricity too, but Agile isn't suitable for my usage times.

Not sure of the Gas savings and can't be bothered doing the calculation yet but I have saved £16+ on electricity.

My compare app has been less than helpful with dates disappearing and not tying in with my bill dates. Wish there was a Gas Compare equivalent app but seeing evidence of a £16+ saving this month on electricity alone means I will stick with the Tracker option.

Like you Agile isn't suitable for us.

All in all I will just pay the bills as normal keeping an eye on the average trend in prices, and, as long as I am saving something over the standard rates, I will be happy.

ianch99 10-06-2024 19:53

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36176786)
Just had my email too.

How long did it take to turn up and who delivers it incase I'm not home?

Mine was about a week and they posted it through the letter box as the box is small.

SnoopZ 10-06-2024 20:21

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36176795)
Not sure of the Gas savings and can't be bothered doing the calculation yet but I have saved £16+ on electricity.

My compare app has been less than helpful with dates disappearing and not tying in with my bill dates. Wish there was a Gas Compare equivalent app but seeing evidence of a £16+ saving this month on electricity alone means I will stick with the Tracker option.

Like you Agile isn't suitable for us.

All in all I will just pay the bills as normal keeping an eye on the average trend in prices, and, as long as I am saving something over the standard rates, I will be happy.

If you go to the octopriceuk site and assuming you have added your API link from your Octopus account then you can see all your savings at a glance as it does the maths for you.

https://www.octopriceuk.app/savings

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36176796)
Mine was about a week and they posted it through the letter box as the box is small.

Thanks I did find out it's Royal Mail so I don't need to be home.

joglynne 11-06-2024 12:30

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36176799)
If you go to the octopriceuk site and assuming you have added your API link from your Octopus account then you can see all your savings at a glance as it does the maths for you.

https://www.octopriceuk.app/savings

---------- Post added at 20:21 ---------- Previous post was at 20:19 ----------

Snip



Long answer. :D ......
I have been trying to use the octoprice site but it would never accept that the API/my account existed.

I did have a couple of glitches with a couple of weeks readings at the new rate disappearing but when I phoned it was soon sorted out and the correct figures for my period on Tracker were used when my bill was generated.

Phoned again yesterday after yet a another fruitless attempt to register and a nice lady octopus found that (despite my account now being sorted) I still had a marker on my account and she wondered whether this was the cause of my problem
..so...fingers crossed with the marker on my account having now been removed it be recognised by octoprice.

Up date. Just tried again and I now have Octoprice. :)
I have left my screed in place in case it throws a light on may be happening if any one else is having a similar problem.

SnoopZ 11-06-2024 12:34

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36176854)
Long answer. :D ......
I have been trying to use the octoprice site but it would never accept that the API/my account number existed.

I did have a couple of glitches with readings during the first with a couple of weeks at the new rate disappearing
and when I phoned it was soon sorted out and the correct figures for my period on Tracker were used when my bill was generated.

Yesterday after yet a another fruitless attempt to register a nice lady octopus found that (despite my account now being sorted) I still had a marker on my account and she wondered whether this was the cause of my problem
..so...fingers crossed with the marker on my account having now been removed it be recognised by octoprice.

If it's fixed it should work straight away.

Strange that your API worked with the Octopus Compare app, or maybe you don't have to paste in the API link as I can't remember?

joglynne 11-06-2024 12:39

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36176857)
If it's fixed it should work straight away.

Strange that your API worked with the Octopus Compare app, or maybe you don't have to paste in the API link as I can't remember?

See end of my last post. I've got in. :) :) :)

SnoopZ 11-06-2024 12:58

Re: Smart Meter, Yae or Nae?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36176858)
See end of my last post. I've got in. :) :) :)

Great, it means when you click on 'My Savings' you will see some savings info which should be accurate to a few pence compared to your bill(atleast it was for mine). Depending on where you click on the graph it either gives you your savings from the start of your Tracker period or the given Day/Month you clicked on.

Another good piece of info is to click on 'Data Checker' this shows you what data has been sent to Octopus, usually my Gas data is a little behind the Electricity data being sent. Try not to worry too much if you see data missing but it may be a problem.

My savings since I went on the Tracker on April 11th are £16.02 for Electricity and £13.20 for Gas compared to their Flexible Tariff.


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