Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I don't think Damien's mentioned legalities - I think the point is that sexual assault is seen as far more serious than commissioning nude or semi-nude photographs.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

The basis for vilifying Prince Andrew - and I’m at the front of the queue to do so - is allegations that came to nothing. No criminal prosecution. Civil case settled out of court. Why he paid £12m is up to him; his friendship with Epstein is well publicised and regardless of the evidence he’d nothing to gain (and everything to lose) by participating.

Nobody is putting the alleged crimes on a parallel. However if we live in a world where there’s only proven illegality and acceptable behaviour we have two innocent men. Morality isn’t a factor.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I think the public would be inclined to have more sympathy for Prince Andrew were it not for the £12m.

I also think a lot of Hugh Edwards' peers friends and colleagues are in the media industry so we're always going to her more from them than we would from Prince Andrew's friends and colleagues. Prince Andrew's friends and colleagues may be equally supportive and empathetic but as they're not in the media they're less likely to be heard.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...sis-management

At least Huw’s getting good advice.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

It nicely detracts from the shortcomings and poor behaviour of our government overall.
Pity we allow ourselves to be distracted by what people do with other adults in private.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

How does a journalist or presenter hold to account morally corrupt politicians if they too are morally corrupt

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

AFAIK, there is still no evidence of anything illegal having happened.

"Morally corrupt" is a meaningless term, what one person considers corrupt, another does not.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Nothing to do with the government. I know in this era we like to blame absolutely everything on the government to absolve ourselves of any blame for anything. But this is too much of a stretch.


Interesting, as a teacher. How would you assess the scenario of a powerful/influential 60yr old man, paying thousands of pounds for naked photographs from one of your 6th form girls (or boys)?

Would you challenge that? Or Would that just be a distraction to you?

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Maggy's statement, and mine, were both absent of detail.

I - continuously - accept that there is no evidence available to the Met to indicate illegal activity in line with their statement.

I am however considering if a journalist must hold politicians to account on moral matters how they can do so if there are skeletons in their closets. Can they look a Minister, or even a Prime Minister, in the eye and hold them to account if deep down they know the other side of the table know they have skeletons in theirs.

The very fact the man had a mental breakdown at being exposed says to me 'no'.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

No doubt, if you found out a prominent even famous 60yr old man had struck up a relationship with your 17/18 yr old son or daughter and had coerced them into exposing themselves graphically in photographs for his sexual gratification, you’d be absolutely fine with that as no law had been broken?

“Have at it” , I’m sure you’d say. You’re not morally corrupt, not in my book.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I am absolutely appalled by much of what I've read over the last few days on this thread, and I don't intend to (but may) keep contributing as further evidence arises until there is clarity.

I don't agree with all of Pierre's statements but there's an underlying issue - we live in a country with legal standards, and moral standards, that we expect from politicians and others of public standing, or we just exist in one where the law is the law and go out and enjoy yourself otherwise.

The obvious risk - to someone in the journalism trade - at existing in a moral vacuum is that the politician across the table can expose you to your wife, your children, your parents, etc.

It embarrasses me that other forum members who I generally, and often wholeheartedly, associate with do not recognise this.

Many of us will have employers that request us to act beyond reproach for the risk we tarnish their reputation, in the private sector but most definitely in the public sector. I've no idea why the fifth highest paid member of BBC staff is exempt.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Because in that case, it's alleged it wasn't consensual. There is a world of moral differences between consensual and non-consensual sexual activities. That's why the latter is illegal.

I largely agree with some of what you've been saying about this but the comparison to what Price Andrew is alleged to have done doesn't work.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

:clap:

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

They can't and I don't envisage Edwards returning to such a role.

---------- Post added at 08:18 ---------- Previous post was at 08:11 ----------

It looks a but strange. Has the BBC decided not to pursue matters for now as he's in hospital and unlikely to return? Or has it just been caught on the hop?

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Totally agree with this - probity is all (or should be).

However, we should bear in mind this was also an attack on the BBC by the Murdoch-owned Sun (and certain parts of the Conservative Party), intimating that someone had carried out criminal acts (the word "child" was used initially (to stoke outrage), before being replaced by "17 year old"), before retracting their accusations. Remember how this paper reported the Hillsborough disaster?

Should Huw Edwards have done what he did? No
Should it have been the lead item in the media for nearly a week? Also, (imho) No.

btw, look forward to the equal condemnation of Dan Wooton…

---------- Post added at 09:41 ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 ----------

The BBC investigation has resumed.

BBC resumes Huw Edwards inquiry as no criminality found by police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66186092

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Makes sense. So we don't know if he's been exempted or not as the investigation has only just been resumed.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

If there ends up being nothing behind the other accusations then I would not care if he read the news again. So he was a fool, Christ I have been a total idiot on many occasions

More sordid people in parliament as far as I am concerned. Would rather have someone whose biggest "sin" was to pay a sex worker than the fraudsters and self centred selfish pricks who run the country now

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I'm not seeing any virtue signalling on here, just a good debate.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I could never take Angela Rippon's newscasting seriously again after she got her legs out on Morecambe and Wise.

We want robots to tell the news, not imperfect human beings.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

There is no such thing as a perfect human being.


He was good at his job and if found to have committed no crimes then he should be allowed to go back to his job.
The problem you'll get is things stick. For example if someone was accused of being a pedophile but then found not guilty, it would be very difficult to shake off and not have that negative association with you forever. It's the sad truth. People often love to see the bad and shock that makes it into the papers, but good news goes un-noticed.


I think he's definately made a few bad moves and as a person in the public spotlight he should have behaved better.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Isn't this yet another case of the right wing press, in this case the Sun being directed by Murdock, triggering the predicable over the top Pavlovian reaction from the gullible. It seems the BBC is a target for the right wing and this is one of the confected attack pieces that generates all sorts of pearl clutching.

Meanwhile, we have almost zero coverage & "outrage" for this:

Arrested Tory MP has not been in parliament for year

Now this guy may be as innocent as Edwards, who knows, but I don't see the same moral outage. Says it all ...

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Not Really, I have absolutely no idea who this minor Tory MP is or do I care., and most likely neither do most of the country.

If he's guilty then he should face whatever penalty he receives. There's plenty of left wing rags and journos and TV channels can push the story if they want.


The Sun ran with the story but the Sun alone could not break it through into wider parlance. I don't, and never have, read the Sun. I found out through Social Media.

Edwards was known by millions, that's what made it a story. The BBC knew and did nothing, that's what made it a story.

In regards to the MP, having been arrested and continually bailed, I would ask what is taking the Police so long? They investigated and cleared Edwards in a matter of days.

Though the Conservatives should undertake their own internal investigation of the MP, as I'm sure he has broken standards, and discipline him as required.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

One might politely suggest that someone employed by the BBC on over four hundred thousand pounds a year - as a newsreader - would have had the foresight to predict this and adjusted his behaviour accordingly.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

The press will be limited as to what they could say about Rosindell. It's only this week he was finally named. I am not sure why they are now naming him since it's been a year but as the investigation continues the press can't say anything other than that he is under investigation.

---------- Post added at 13:30 ---------- Previous post was at 13:27 ----------

What made it a story originally was the accusation he solicited illegal images.

There aren't any accusations in the case of Edwards anymore. Presumably, police looked at the images in question and found them legal. A pretty quick and easy thing to investigate.

With the MP there are accusations that are harder to prove/disprove although I have no idea what they do that takes so long. There is a footballer that's been on bail for a year as well.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

On timing, I think the fact he was selected for as a candidate for the next GE with the local party unaware has been deemed “newsworthy”.

---------- Post added at 13:54 ---------- Previous post was at 13:31 ----------

I’m not even convinced their assessment went as far as that.

From their own statement

I interpret that as the parents being asked to put up or shut up. On top of the firm, unequivocal statement from the victim themselves issued through their lawyers, it’s hard to see what lawful basis they’d have to go around snooping in people’s devices.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

You are missing my point. It is not the person involved, rather the wider target i.e. the BBC and the attack vector via the Sun and its owner.

Yes, the man involved has made serious misjudgements but then so have so many others where we have deafening silence. This is not about the person in question, never has been.

---------- Post added at 15:54 ---------- Previous post was at 15:49 ----------

So let me ask this question: who has, so far, behaved more egregiously? An elected MP, previously Chairman of the Conservative Party, arrested for sexual offences and misconduct in public office or the BBC presenter who has so far, it seems, committed no offence.

---------- Post added at 16:05 ---------- Previous post was at 15:54 ----------

I'd like to think that being an MP is a job known by many and that the as the Conservative Party "did nothing" you would be equally, or even more, outraged ... or maybe not ....

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

There's a massive gap between missing your point and simply not agreeing with it. The finger pointing at others with dubious behaviour is a red herring.

You could paste that invitation alongside a textbook definition of contempt of court.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I think the lack of outrage when the former Chairman of the Conservative Party is arrested for sexual offences and misconduct in public office really says it all both in terms of the current state of the country and how far we have come.

---------- Post added at 18:33 ---------- Previous post was at 18:31 ----------

This is not finger pointing, rather a contrast.

Regards the red herring of contempt of court, consider the levels of publicity & outrage when the name of the BBC presenter was not known.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I'm still not sure what you point actually is. You are comparing apples with pears.

Contempt of court is a specific crime that applies once someone has been arrested for an offence. That did not happen in one case and has in the other. The Conservative Party are put in a difficult position. Given the nature of the offence, length of investigation, the longer it is out of the limelight the better. For any accusers as much as anything else. You don't want a mob of idiots calling them liars on the internet, just as a mob assuming guilt is undesirable to the process.

If you want to make a sport out of going after any Tory there's plenty of others that would be safer to go after at this time.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Again, you are missing the point: two people, both unnamed. One lynched in the court of moral public outrage, the other unnoticed.

Spot the difference ..

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

The Contempt of Court Act 1981.

Can I just check your stance - because this might actually be the issue. Do you think the Huw Edwards story wasn't newsworthy?

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Hello darkness, my old friend …

At journalist training I became deeply acquainted with this piece of legislation (as well as various pieces of defamation law).

A judge can have someone arrested, dragged to court and then subject them to summary conviction under the Contempt Act and send them immediately to jail. No trial, no bail, no jury. Newspaper editors tend not to mess about with it.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

What is this thread about.Because I'm failing entirely to see any point to it.It's just a pointless argument between two people who can't apparently agree to disagree. Showing your ages methinks.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Just a closing thought (don't want to upset anyone ;)), can you be held in Contempt of Court if you publish an article about an anonymous MP? Answers on a postcard!

And to answer your question: yes, it was newsworthy but the story about the MP was equally so, which was my point all along.

BTW, expect a deluge of moral outrage about the emerging Wootton story .. :rolleyes:

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

If said MP is subsequently identified I’d imagine yes, contempt of court rules would apply. In Scotland a blogger was jailed during the Salmond trial for referring to the women who accused him in such a way some could be identified.

Wooton is more whataboutery I’m afraid. He’s not a household name in any way, shape or form. Nor are his wages paid by the taxpayer.

I will accept the mod nudge to leave it there.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Sorry, one last comment. Said MP was not subject to any court proceedings AFAIK for the last year (and still isn't) so I am unclear where the Contempt of Court rabbit hole came from. And, yet again, I was contrasting coverage (or lack of) of the unnamed MP.

Here is the article from the Times where they decided to name the MP:

If the truth about our MPs is hidden, democracy suffers

I urge you to read it. They do not refer to the threat of Contempt of Court because there isn't any.

Enough now ...

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

He’s been arrested in connection with a criminal investigation. If newspaper reporting around that causes “substantial risk of serious prejudice or impediment” to a subsequent trial relating specifically to that case, then contempt of court has occurred, even if the man in question hadn’t been charged at the time.

The Act does not specifically ban the naming of him, but as naming him could lead to prejudicial reporting, newspaper editors are unlikely to do so unless there’s a clear public interest in doing so, and they believe they can do it in a very careful and controlled manner that they can robustly defend later on. In the case of a back-bench MP who is under suspicion and has been arrested for questioning but not charged, it’s probably not worth the risk - until the cloak of anonymity allows him to get re-selected by local party members who didn’t know what was going on. The story probably begins to take on a significance that’s worth the risk and effort of careful reporting with regards to the CCA at that point.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

100% this.

It’s worth noting that no newspaper named Edwards. His wife did.

Although it was widely deduced on social media platforms to the point it was untenable is down to his own error of judgement unless someone believes the BBC, with a complaint, with the prospect of a police investigation, with their own journalists uncovering internal complaints, with a duty of care to all of their own staff should have left him on air. An absolutely preposterous position to hold for the state broadcaster.

It’s very clear that some are being blinded by who it is and their own bias, rather than merits of the reporting of allegations.

Some of this thread will look absolutely atrocious for some upon reflection if the BBCs own internal complaints process sacks him.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Good point, unless you count the people the MP is accused of indecently assaulting...

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

The BBC will agree the terms of reference for their inquiry at a full board meeting on Thursday and it’ll be published in due course.

Tim Davie essentially appeals for anyone with any information they think might be useful when he spoke to the Lords this afternoon. Stating the inquiry could take “weeks or a couple of months, or possibly longer”.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/sectio...ink=media_news

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

But what story did the parents give to "The Sun"? They simply wanted the payments to stop. As such, certain matters might have been missed out when complaining to the BBC. Did they simply want the BBC to have words with the presenter, rather than a big fuss being kicked up over it.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Cat meets pigeons.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Wonder if we will see the lynch mob climb down now?

---------- Post added at 19:40 ---------- Previous post was at 19:32 ----------

Then why go to The Sun at all. I think this supposition is the same work of fiction The Sun come up with

The Sun would not have back tracked either had they actually published what they were told

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Legally they CAN'T publish what they were told.
As I said, the parents wanted it to stop. The BBC didn't stop it, so they went to the media. If the BBC had acted, they wouldn't have had the need to go to the media. The age claim can from the mother, and was based upon when she had been shown the picture.
They DIDN'T go straight to the media. They took 2 other steps beforehand.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Why would the BBC stop it, or do anything (act) ?
Nothing illegal was happening according to the reports.

They (the parents) didnt have a "need" to do anything at all.

In fact, if the "child" was 18, they were actually an adult, entitled to do as they pleased.
It sounds rather like controlling parents having a tantrum when they didnt get their own way.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Cobblers. Nothing illegal. Hes not like a hypocritical politician criticising others, while doing differently themselves. Just a news reader with mental health issues.

We all I have our 'interests'.
E.g. I have a cactus collection :) The Sun will 'out me' one day I should think.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Boris isn’t the subject here…

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

It’s still his problem, not ours, Seph. Private lives should be kept private and we could all do with a lot less moralising.

---------- Post added at 19:47 ---------- Previous post was at 19:45 ----------

Maybe the point is that it’s Boris who can’t do anything right by members of this forum.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

We aren't talking about how many kids he has every year either.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

As was, I thought, settled a long time ago. The legality of the episode is not the pertinent issue. A man of influence and power in his 60’s, corrupting a teenager, is the story.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Given that he’s proven that’s the case there’s nothing wrong at all with calling him out for it especially when he’s shown to be corrupt, corruptible, dishonest plus all the rest and for a while was able to make choices and decisions that directly affect OUR lives.

Huw Edwards has shown himself to be a competent and respected newsreader until all this broke. He’s likely still a good newsreader but many feel let down and disappointed by him. Especially here in Wales, we’ve always been proud of him.

So really, you can’t seriously compare Bullshitting Boris to Huw Edwards in all this.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

One of the stories - another is a major tabloid making stuff up about an adult (aged 18), perhaps to distract from the allegation that one of it’s previous senior employees had been engaged in corrupt, perhaps illegal, activities…

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Influence and power? He just reads the news from an autocue. As long as he can still do that then thats all that matters to us and his employer. He isn't the PM, and hasn't done anything illegal.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

That’s the first time I’ve known you to be lost for words, Hugh.:D

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I didn’t.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Do you consider sending pictures to someone considerably younger as “perverted”? Really? “Immoral” maybe but “perverted”? Had the person he was communicated with been under 18 then I could see that but there’s nothing to prove that’s taken place.

Not what I’d call “perverted”.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

What's 'abnormal'?

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Sad to still see a whole lot of judging going on

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

So are you against homosexuality or age gaps? If age gap, what difference do you consider as 'perverted'? Please quantify, as the other consenting adult saw no problem.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

It’s not regarded as unusual in the 21st century and it’s none of our business.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

It’s only open to interpretation as perversion if that’s what the individual is wanting to find.

It’s massively subjective of course but this is the first time I’ve seen anyone refer to him as being a “pervert”. As it’s so subjective you’re naturally free to consider it that way if you want but I’m pretty certain you’d be in a minority. I read today that in a poll 53% want to see him return to the news and I hope that number rises greatly as time goes on.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

In the UK an 18 year old id legally an adult and entitled to make his own choices and decisions.That's the entire situation here.There has to be a cut off point where adulthood begins and ends.
All the furore that has ensued is purely down to a newspaper trying to sell it's product by trying to make salacious innuendo without reference to the truth.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

If he’d been paying for lewd pictures of another consenting adult you mean?

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

You are a Christian man aren’t you? And a father. So if a man of influence ( which Huw Edwards is, no argument) was soliciting photographs of your naked 18yr old son or daughter……would you just dismiss it as just immoral, and move on?…………or would you want to rip out his spine.

I know what I would want to do.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Totally agree.


The infuriating thing for me is that there was speculation about this for weeks on end.


Even though Huw wasn't named in it, he would clearly know it was about him.


It was constantly in the media as "someone did this" and made out constantly that something had happened potentially with a child involved.


And then the whole thing ends up with him being named. Mainly because the stress has given him a breakdown and he's in hospital and his wife decided to come out with it to end all the speculation as to whom the allegations refer to.


After that it all goes quiet.


Then it turns out (comparatively under the radar) that in fact there wasn't anything wrong and then it also so happens the lad is 18 so perfectly legal.


However people then choose to judge this is down to their own personal views and morals...


Tbf the media who let this go on and on for weeks on end really should issue a full apology but they won't and the damage has been done. The mistake was reporting it in the first place.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Fan of noncing are you?

17 / 18. Hey as soon as the clock strikes they’re fair game.

---------- Post added at 22:09 ---------- Previous post was at 22:05 ----------

As I said before Maggy, as a teacher.

If the 60yr old head teacher of your school was paying a 6th form girl for naked photos, you’re on board with that? No worries?

You didn’t answer last time, I’ll wait.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Well there’s no surprise.

Well, I think there’s a bit more nuance that has to be applied in these scenarios.

A vulnerable young adult, aged 17, or aged 18, is still a vulnerable young adult. Being over the age of 18 does not mean it is open season to take advantage or exploit that vulnerable person.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

The Chap took Huw for 35K who exploited who?

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Well, legally that is exactly how it works (in terms of pictures).


A person who is 15y 364 days is illegal to have sex but as soon as the clock strikes midnight they are 16 and legal.



A person who is 17y 364 days is illegal to send a picture of themselves naked but again as soon as they turn 18 they can.


I don't see how the legal system can manage this any other way.


There has to be a boundary which is clearly and easily defined and age is the obvious one.


So there are obvious grey areas - the lad whom Philip Schofield knew from a young boy, for example, even if they waited until relevant age limits, it's shady at best - and areas where ones personal moral spectrum mean that something which is legally allowed perhaps isn't felt as the right thing to do...


Or indeed, if there is evidence of grooming a kid under the age limit (for whatever) but doing nothing until they have passed that time.


But this is quite frankly a case where plenty of us (myself included) would see this as morally questionable at best if not wrong (quite why a guy in his 60s would want pictures of a teenage boy even if he is 18) but actually no laws are broken. In these cases it's important to differentiate between what one would personally do and what the law allows one to do (or doesn't allow). For example, some people still consider adultery to be wrong (it's not allowed in the ten commandments) yet legally leaving someone for someone else even after marriage is allowed.

---------- Post added at 22:21 ---------- Previous post was at 22:20 ----------

Legally speaking - no


Morally speaking - down to personal opinion

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

A great comfort to all the parents out there.

Enjoy Cambodia and Thailand, for some reason I just get the feeling you holiday there.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

You really are a horrible person

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Point out where it's incorrect?

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I’m willing to accept that, if you can expand upon where my disgust on wealthy famous powerful 60yr old males soliciting photographs from 18yr olds makes me horrible.

---------- Post added at 22:45 ---------- Previous post was at 22:42 ----------

What? I think I’ve made it perfectly clear that it’s incorrect. You seem to be on the “it’s legal, so have at it” side of things. So morally, I would say the Hugh Edwards affair is very much “incorrect”

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Not at all.


I'm on the "the law says it's OK, so it's down to us as individuals to decide whether we also think it's OK" side of things.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

I more refer to you throwing around cloaked paedophile accusations

---------- Post added at 23:15 ---------- Previous post was at 23:13 ----------

I would be more concerned about the drug problem

I think it is immoral. I think a lot of things are immoral. I think judging people harshly without real evidence is immoral too

Huw clearly has issues but then so do a lot of people.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

The "if it were your child" argument doesn't wash though, as with many things that may or may not happen to your children you would probably have a different viewpoint than if it had happened to somebody else. The law is quite clear and unambigous, as long as two consenting adults are involved. Personal morals don't come in to it, just look at what this government have got away with over the years.

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Re: BBC Presenter Suspended
 

Well being immoral in most instances is not illegal. Sex outside marriage, adultery, viewing porn. I am sure a good portion on this forum have done at least one of those