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TheDaddy 16-11-2022 19:45
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36140164)
"Whataboutery" is a wildly misused expression on this forum. It's recklessly deployed to dismiss valid points.
What do you expect when you use such ridiculous excuses, can't believe anyone will ever fall for imagine how bad it'll be under labour after this decade long debacle

Sephiroth 16-11-2022 20:06
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36140165)
What do you expect when you use such ridiculous excuses, can't believe anyone will ever fall for imagine how bad it'll be under labour after this decade long debacle
I'm not so stupid as to defend the Tories for their misgovernment of this country. But I'm entitled to be even more sceptical of Labour.

TheDaddy 16-11-2022 21:19
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36140166)
I'm not so stupid as to defend the Tories for their misgovernment of this country. But I'm entitled to be even more sceptical of Labour.
Project fear rearing it's head again, glad den called it out

Paul 17-11-2022 00:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36140167)
Project fear rearing it's head again, glad den called it out
Project nonsense posting again. :rolleyes:

Labour will likely be no better, and yes, I can easily imagine how bad it might be, I've lived through Labours disasters as well.

TheDaddy 17-11-2022 01:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36140175)
Project nonsense posting again. :rolleyes:

Labour will likely be no better, and yes, I can easily imagine how bad it might be, I've lived through Labours disasters as well.
Who here hasn't but rather than dwell in the past and imagine how things might be I'd suggest a much more sensible approach is look at what's actually happened more recently and is still happening, I know the tories are a catastrophic, omnishambles of cock wombles but they may as well shut up shop permanently if all they got left is imagine how bad it'd be under labour

1andrew1 25-11-2022 09:16
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I'm not sure if Johnson has had a genuine change of heart (he was against onshore wind power as PM) or whether he's sticking the knife into Sunak. ;)

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Liz Truss and Boris Johnson join Tory wind farm rebellion

Boris Johnson and Liz Truss are backing an attempt to overturn England's effective ban on onshore wind farms, a Conservative MP has said.

Former minister Simon Clarke said the ex-prime ministers were supporting his bid to relax restrictions through the Levelling Up Bill.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has scrapped a move by predecessor Ms Truss to relax the rules.

He has said he wants to prioritise building turbines offshore instead.

Mr Clarke has tabled an amendment to the Levelling Up Bill that would overturn a planning clampdown introduced by former PM David Cameron in 2015.

A spokesman for Mr Johnson has confirmed to the BBC he supports the amendment. Ms Truss has been approached for comment.

The move would allow new turbines with local consent, and represented a "pro-growth, pro-green policy at a time when we need both," he added.

It is the latest rebellion faced by Mr Sunak over the Levelling-Up Bill's planning measures.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63750925

Paul 25-11-2022 13:53
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36140755)
I'm not sure if Johnson has had a genuine change of heart (he was against onshore wind power as PM) or whether he's sticking the knife into Sunak. ;)
I doubt he's had a change of heart ... ;)

Hugh 27-12-2022 22:57
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I see John Redwood seems to have bumped his head and forgotten about a couple of weeks in September/October when this was tried before…

https://twitter.com/johnredwood/stat...9wam_mtWnEWZfw

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1672181674

1andrew1 27-12-2022 23:06
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36142681)
I see John Redwood seems to have bumped his head and forgotten about a couple of weeks in September/October when this was tried before…

https://twitter.com/johnredwood/stat...9wam_mtWnEWZfw

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1672181674
I think someone's left uncle alone with the port and iPad again!

jfman 27-12-2022 23:13
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It probably got stuck in his outbox.

Sephiroth 27-12-2022 23:21
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JR is right. Just not the Truss way.

Dave42 27-12-2022 23:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36142692)
JR is right. Just not the Truss way.
utter rubbish trickle down never works JR is very wrong give top 1% more money they just save it

Ms NTL 28-12-2022 00:17
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What is IR 35 changes?

jfman 28-12-2022 00:19
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Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36142694)
What is IR 35 changes?
It’s a tax wheeze for companies to pretend their “employees” are self employed. Well, the types of reforms proposed by Redwood would make that much easier.

Chris 28-12-2022 01:20
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IR35 is designed to clamp down on disguised employment, which is where a company hires a ‘freelance’ worker to work for them full time for an extended period. The ‘freelancer’ is paid a daily rate and the employer doesn’t handle any tax or NI on their behalf because they have hired a freelancer, rather than employing someone, so what they’re paying is a charge for the services of a business rather than a wage. From this daily rate the freelancer pays themselves a wage plus other business expenses. There are then multiple tax wheezes that they as a freelancer can employ to reduce their personal tax burden.

For freelancers working for multiple clients at any one time it’s quite legitimate for them to operate this way but there is a whole sector where a freelancer will be brought in to one company for maybe even years at a time and it really just becomes one massive tax dodge for both the company hiring them and for the freelancer themselves.

IR35 calls this disguised employment and taxes the freelancer as if they were an employee. This reduces the incentive for workers to seek these arrangements.

ianch99 02-01-2023 18:08
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Sunak & co are playing a dangerous game here. The NHS is currently imploding and they are content to play the role of Nero. So many people are impacted by this and are concerned by the state of the NHS, that this will come back to bite them at the next GE.

It seems that the Government have instructed the "independent" Pay Review Body to recommend that the Nurses pay be capped at 2% for 2023-2024. Difficult to see what their strategy is here unless it is one to cause as much damage for the next Government to inherit.

Sephiroth 02-01-2023 18:38
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36143020)
Sunak & co are playing a dangerous game here. The NHS is currently imploding and they are content to play the role of Nero. So many people are impacted by this and are concerned by the state of the NHS, that this will come back to bite them at the next GE.

It seems that the Government have instructed the "independent" Pay Review Body to recommend that the Nurses pay be capped at 2% for 2023-2024. Difficult to see what their strategy is here unless it is one to cause as much damage for the next Government to inherit.
What's the evidence for your assertion, Ian?

The NHS Pay Review body is independent.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf

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Remits for 2022/23
Secretary of State for Health and Social Care’s remit letter

1.21 The Secretary of State wrote to us on 30th November 2021 to commence the 2022/23 pay round. The Secretary of State noted it was vital that planned workforce growth is affordable and within the budgets set and stated their view that there is a direct trade-off between pay and staff numbers.

Mr K 02-01-2023 19:41
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I think Rushi's mastered this PM thing. Say and do nothing and be invisible, whilst the country disintegrates...
Working so far, for Sir K anyway....

Quote:
LAB: 45% (-1)
CON: 19% (-3)
GRN: 9% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-)
REF: 8% (-)

via
@PeoplePolling
, 28 Dec

Sephiroth 02-01-2023 21:25
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What has that man given the people as PM? Zilch. He's only taking and bothering with migrants. He's got ministers for everything, they should be focusing on improving our lives particularly as regards social care because that partially fixes the NHS.

On strikes, he might be getting that right if he doesn't cave; but his silence is disconcerting. However he's got money he take take from overseas aid to put to medical training. Just imagine, they haven't increased the number of medical training places (AFAIK).

A shocking government and Labour isn't the answer and I don't know what is given the entrenchment of the current system. Proportional representation won't help either - quite the contrary.

Broken.

Damien 02-01-2023 21:30
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143031)
On strikes, he might be getting that right if he doesn't cave; but his silence is disconcerting. However he's got money he take take from overseas aid to put to medical training. Just imagine, they haven't increased the number of medical training places (AFAIK).
If you don't pay nurses - and other NHS staff - a competitive and decent salary they'll just leave eventually. Same with social care which often pays less. The idea of standing firm against them and not giving them a pay rise may give him a political win but why will people train if the Government boasts about not giving them low pay rises?

It's not as if nurses are loaded and greedily trying to get even more money. They need to afford housing, energy bills and food as well. They'll be forced to better-paying jobs.

ianch99 02-01-2023 21:38
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143021)
What's the evidence for your assertion, Ian?

The NHS Pay Review body is independent.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf
Some context: https://www.theguardian.com/society/...n-more-strikes

Quote:
On 16 November, Barclay wrote to the NHS pay review body, which advises ministers what size of uplift staff apart from doctors and dentists should receive, giving them their remit for the 2023-24 settlement. While it did not specify the 2% figure, the NHS Confederation hospitals body, the Health Foundation thinktank and several health unions all say that the fact that NHS England’s budget for 2023-24 has already been set means that is the sum Barclay is keen to see awarded, with a 1% contingency potentially making it a 3% rise. Either sum is likely to provoke further unrest among NHS staff.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143031)
What has that man given the people as PM? Zilch. He's only taking and bothering with migrants. He's got ministers for everything, they should be focusing on improving our lives particularly as regards social care because that partially fixes the NHS.

On strikes, he might be getting that right if he doesn't cave; but his silence is disconcerting. However he's got money he take take from overseas aid to put to medical training. Just imagine, they haven't increased the number of medical training places (AFAIK).

A shocking government and Labour isn't the answer and I don't know what is given the entrenchment of the current system. Proportional representation won't help either - quite the contrary.

Broken.
Ah yes, but who broke it? To be fair, do you keep voting for them.

BTW, PR is the start of the answer ...

Sephiroth 02-01-2023 21:45
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 

There's a difference of nuance (your anti-Tory bias) between what you said earlier:

Quote:
It seems that the Government have instructed the "independent" Pay Review Body to recommend that the Nurses pay be capped at 2% for 2023-2024.
and what you've just said:

Quote:
While it did not specify the 2% figure, the NHS Confederation hospitals body, the Health Foundation thinktank and several health unions all say that the fact that NHS England’s budget for 2023-24 has already been set means that is the sum Barclay is keen to see awarded, with a 1% contingency potentially making it a 3% rise
On your other point of "keeping voting for them", when I did vote for them last (2019) this shambles was not predictable in my eyes.

TheDaddy 02-01-2023 22:03
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143021)
What's the evidence for your assertion, Ian?

The NHS Pay Review body is independent.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...Accessible.pdf
Who sets the parameters for the "independent review panel", they must think we're stupid to fall for that

Sephiroth 02-01-2023 22:20
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So let's turn this on its head. Through government mismanagement of pretty much everything, we've got to this sad position.

That said, with £30 billion pissed away by Truss, where's the money to be found for bringing public sector employees up to an inflationary pay standard?

There's no money to pay these rises. Broken.

GrimUpNorth 03-01-2023 08:29
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143037)
So let's turn this on its head. Through government mismanagement of pretty much everything, we've got to this sad position.

That said, with £30 billion pissed away by Truss, where's the money to be found for bringing public sector employees up to an inflationary pay standard?

There's no money to pay these rises. Broken.
Interesting that you mention £30 billion. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if only the government (of either colour) did more to close the tax gap.

Sephiroth 03-01-2023 08:37
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They'd still piss it away. I'm one of the last decent Conservatives left!

1andrew1 03-01-2023 09:08
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Sunak's not got an easy to-do list. With the strikes and NHS backlogs it's easy to forget the economy is not in the best of shapes.

I really do hope they're wrong.
Quote:
Britain will suffer the deepest recession among the world’s largest economies in 2023 as it is battered by rising energy bills, high interest rates and a rise in failing businesses.

Analysts at insurer Allianz Trade predicted the UK economy will shrink by 0.9 per cent this year compared with a 0.7 per cent decline in Germany, a 0.4 per cent slump in France and a 0.3 per cent shrinkage for the US.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mies-2023.html

ianch99 03-01-2023 10:05
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143035)
On your other point of "keeping voting for them", when I did vote for them last (2019) this shambles was not predictable in my eyes.
I thought you voted for Liz Truss? It was clear she was an idiot and was being manipulated by the Tufton Street mafia.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143037)
So let's turn this on its head. Through government mismanagement of pretty much everything, we've got to this sad position.

That said, with £30 billion pissed away by Truss, where's the money to be found for bringing public sector employees up to an inflationary pay standard?

There's no money to pay these rises. Broken.
You fogot to add the £40+ billion pissed away each year from leaving the EU.

1andrew1 03-01-2023 14:08
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36143037)
So let's turn this on its head. Through government mismanagement of pretty much everything, we've got to this sad position.

That said, with £30 billion pissed away by Truss, where's the money to be found for bringing public sector employees up to an inflationary pay standard?

There's no money to pay these rises. Broken.
We could have a less frictional trading relationship with the EU than hapless BoJo "negotiated", therefore growing our GDP and tax revenue. Even just harmonising veterinary standards will help restore some of the exports we lost since his hapless hard Brexit.

We could increase National Insurance to be more in line with those of other countries.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36143055)
I thought you voted for Liz Truss? It was clear she was an idiot and was being manipulated by the Tufton Street mafia.
She was deluded and this was evidenced this in her writings.

Johnson's track record and character flaws were known from his time as Lord Mayor of London. An amusing person to be stuck in the lift one with but less amusing when he's stuck in No. 10 as Prime Minister.

Mr K 03-01-2023 17:32
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36143048)
Sunak's not got an easy to-do list. With the strikes and NHS backlogs it's easy to forget the economy is not in the best of shapes.

I really do hope they're wrong.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mies-2023.html
Interesting were doing worse than our European neighbours, I wonder why? :confused:

1andrew1 03-01-2023 18:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36143068)
Interesting were doing worse than our European neighbours, I wonder why? :confused:
The UK's poor industrial relations, its lack of self-sufficiency in energy and the hokey-cokey around the mini budget can't be helping matters.

The Daily Mail article quotes Rob Dobson, director at S&P Global Market Intelligence who suggests Brexit is impacting manufacturing negatively.
Quote:
'The weakness in the latter is still being exacerbated by the constraints of Brexit, as higher costs, administrative burdens and shipping delays encourage increasing numbers of [EU] clients to shun trade with the UK.'

Mr K 04-01-2023 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36143069)
The Daily Mail article quotes Rob Dobson, director at S&P Global Market Intelligence who suggests Brexit is impacting manufacturing negatively.
Ooff, the Daily Fail readership won't invite him back !

1andrew1 04-01-2023 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36143083)
Ooff, the Daily Fail readership won't invite him back !
Sometimes they allow such views to be expressed to boost their comments sections and thereby advertising and profits.

Their most popular comment is currently:
Quote:
Tory Britain broken by Brexit and an utterly incompetent Government, a series of habitual liars and the only modern economy to erect trade barriers on itself. Exports have collapsed, insufficient people to fill vacancies and a party that thinks protecting the wealth of the hoarders while holding down the wages of working wealth creators is the way to fuel growth.

Kursk 04-01-2023 12:59
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LOL y'know, if someone broke wind you'd somehow interpret it as Brexit. Gawd, you could send a glass eye to sleep - let it lie fellers; if only for the sake of your sanity :D

1andrew1 04-01-2023 13:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36143087)
LOL y'know, if someone broke wind you'd somehow interpret it as Brexit. Gawd, you could send a glass eye to sleep - let it lie fellers; if only for the sake of your sanity :D
It's not Cable Forum posters interpreting it as Brexit.
My post from 18.27 yesterday refers.

Kursk 04-01-2023 13:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36143088)
It's not Cable Forum posters interpreting it as Brexit.
My post from 18.27 yesterday refers.
Yep. Riveting :sleep:

1andrew1 04-01-2023 13:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36143089)
Yep. Riveting :sleep:
My plan has worked. :D

Kursk 04-01-2023 13:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36143091)
My torture has worked. :D
:D

Hugh 20-01-2023 18:40
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...worth-millions

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The Conservative party chair, Nadhim Zahawi, agreed to pay a penalty to HMRC as part of a seven-figure settlement over his tax affairs, the Guardian has been told.

The former chancellor, who still attends the cabinet, has been subject to extensive questions in parliament and the media in recent days after it emerged he agreed to pay millions to HMRC in December after a settlement with the tax agency.

The Guardian has now been told that the former chancellor paid a penalty imposed by HMRC – part of an estimated £5m tax bill.

Penalties are applied if someone does not pay the correct tax at the right time.
Quote:
Experts estimate the tax due was about £3.7m based on the capital gains tax incurred by the sale of multiple tranches of shares in YouGov worth more than £20m, which led to transfers of money to Zahawi.

It is understood HMRC applied a 30% penalty to the £3.7m, bringing the total due to £4.8m. Combined with interest charges that HMRC also applies to taxes owed, this is believed to have taken the final settlement to more than £5m.

Last summer, news reports emerged about Zahawi’s financial affairs, including an HMRC look at his taxes. At the time, Zahawi described such reports as “smears”.

It is understood that after those reports a representative for Zahawi approached HMRC to discuss his tax position.

Michael Gove defended Zahawi on BBC Radio 4 on Thursday, saying: “My firm understanding is HMRC have no quibble with Nadhim. He’s paid everything that he should, and, people paying their taxes, that’s not a story – people not paying their taxes, yeah that is a problem.”
Zaharia literally got fined for not paying his taxes…

Mr K 20-01-2023 18:49
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Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has been issued with a "conditional offer of fixed penalty" by Lancashire Constabulary for failing to wear a seatbelt while filming a social media clip in the back of a moving car.

Lancashire Constabulary said a 42-year-old man from London was issued with a conditional offer of fixed penalty following a video circulating on social media showing a passenger not wearing a seatbelt in a moving car in the county.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...wear-seatbelt/

He's a serial law breaker, lock him up !

heero_yuy 20-01-2023 18:53
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144019)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...wear-seatbelt/

He's a serial law breaker, lock him up !
Beltgate :D

Hugh 20-01-2023 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144019)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...wear-seatbelt/

He's a serial law breaker, lock him up !
It’s not his fault - he was ambushed by a seatbelt!

or

"all guidance was followed completely by No 10"

or

"I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no seatbelt and that no seatbelt rules were broken.”

or

"I believed implicitly that I was wearing a seatbelt, but with hindsight, I should have sat back down and made sure"

or

"Nobody told me that what I was doing was against the rules"

or

"I was not wearing the seatbelt for less than 10 minutes"

or

get Jacob Rees-Mogg to say it was important to consider whether seatbelt rules and regulations were “too hard on people”."

Just getting them out there before OB does… ;)

Sephiroth 20-01-2023 20:01
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Zahawi was Chancellor and thus able to change tax laws to close loopholes. It is a clear conflict of interest that he did not choose to do so.

Damien 20-01-2023 20:33
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I don't care about the seatbelt. Did it, bit stupid, got fined.

Zahawi is a lot worse.

Mr K 20-01-2023 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144033)
I don't care about the seatbelt. Did it, bit stupid, got fined.

Zahawi is a lot worse.
I do care about the seatbelt. Regardless of the severity of the crime, it says 'I'm above the law, and can even get away with filming myself doing it. '
The law is only for plebs.

And yes Zahawi is worse, but par for the course with this lot.

denphone 20-01-2023 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144033)
I don't care about the seatbelt. Did it, bit stupid, got fined.

Zahawi is a lot worse.
Lester Piggott and Boris Becker went to jail for tax evasion. Zahawi needs to show that he was not trying to evade tax.

Or is it one law for those in higher places and one law for us little people.

1andrew1 20-01-2023 21:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144033)
I don't care about the seatbelt. Did it, bit stupid, got fined.

Zahawi is a lot worse.
Seat belt likely just a mistake.

Zahawi apparently paid back millions. The statements he's made and the very specific nature of them are not encouraging.
https://news.sky.com/story/nadhim-za...laims-12790822

Sephiroth 20-01-2023 21:32
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Another nail in the Conservative Party's coffin. I'm so angry.

TheDaddy 21-01-2023 01:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36144035)
Lester Piggott and Boris Becker went to jail for tax evasion. Zahawi needs to show that he was not trying to evade tax.

Or is it one law for those in higher places and one law for us little people.
They evaded less than Zahawi to and lets not forget at the time he made the rules he broke.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144038)
Another nail in the Conservative Party's coffin. I'm so angry.
Why you angry, you can't honestly expect anything less from them

papa smurf 21-01-2023 09:06
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HMRC now in profit with this account,what's the problem.:shrug:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36144037)
Seat belt likely just a mistake.

Zahawi apparently paid back millions. The statements he's made and the very specific nature of them are not encouraging.
https://news.sky.com/story/nadhim-za...laims-12790822
if he had any sense he would self identify as a pregnant woman,and not need a belt;)

Kursk 21-01-2023 09:26
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Honestly, the huge machinery of motoring law enforcement is ridiculous. The bitching about petty little things is what “keeps us all in our place” whilst Rome burns.

I never wear a seatbelt when cycling :angel:. FGS let the PM do his job.

Sephiroth 21-01-2023 09:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36144059)
Honestly, the huge machinery of motoring law enforcement is ridiculous. The bitching about petty little things is what “keeps us all in our place” whilst Rome burns.

I never wear a seatbelt when cycling :angel:. FGS let the PM do his job.

If only …

ianch99 21-01-2023 10:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36144059)
Honestly, the huge machinery of motoring law enforcement is ridiculous. The bitching about petty little things is what “keeps us all in our place” whilst Rome burns.

I never wear a seatbelt when cycling :angel:. FGS let the PM do his job.
But he is doing his job. He is rogering the general public whilst at the same time enabling obscene wealth for his Tory donors and supporters.

If you are interested in the backstory on the tax dodger, here it is: https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/01/19/zahawi_story/

One of the smoking guns:

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9 July 2022: I conclude that, when Zahawi established YouGov in 2000, he arranged for the founder shares that would have been his to go to Balshore. It paid nothing for the shares. The only plausible reason for this is tax avoidance. I check my conclusions carefully and speak to tax accountants, solicitors, QCs and retired HMRC inspectors, as well as entrepreneurs familiar with startup formation. I’m stunned by the unanimity of opinion: this stinks.
Written by the journalist who broke the story. Not pretty reading for Tory supporters.

1andrew1 21-01-2023 10:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36144065)
Not pretty reading for Tory supporters.
Some of them might say "Good on you mate. I'd have tried that too too if I was in your shoes. Well done for all those jobs and creating a successful British company."

Kursk 21-01-2023 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144060)

If only …
If only the Conservative party membership would get behind him...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36144065)
But he is doing his job. He is rogering the general public whilst at the same time enabling obscene wealth for his Tory donors and supporters.

If you are interested in the backstory on the tax dodger, here it is: https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/01/19/zahawi_story/

One of the smoking guns:

Written by the journalist who broke the story. Not pretty reading for Tory supporters.
I am on about the seatbelt thing; the tax thing, on the face of it, is reprehensible.

Mr K 21-01-2023 13:49
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The words of a Hartlepool resident asked why they voted Tory -
"I'll tell you why, under Labour we didn't have any food banks but under the Tories we now have 9"

TheDaddy 21-01-2023 15:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144071)
The words of a Hartlepool resident asked why they voted Tory -
"I'll tell you why, under Labour we didn't have any food banks but under the Tories we now have 9"
They've got food pantry's to now and warm banks plus the Saj is advocating we pay £20 everytime we visit a GP or A&E

Hugh 21-01-2023 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36144037)
Seat belt likely just a mistake.

Zahawi apparently paid back millions. The statements he's made and the very specific nature of them are not encouraging.
https://news.sky.com/story/nadhim-za...laims-12790822
I’m not 100% sure that a former Chancellor, Tory Leadership candidate, and current Cabinet Minister, admitting to being ‘careless’ with tax affairs is quite the defence that he seems to think it is…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64360260

So, he accidentally gave his Founder Shares from YouGov to his father in an Offshore Gibraltar Trust?

or did he?

https://www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/01/19/zahawi_story/

Apparently, his father got his (Zahawi’s) Founder Shares because he provided start-up Capital and on-going "entrepreneurial consultancy" - how kind, giving his dad 40% of the start-up shares and keeping none for himself… :dozey:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8...d7eebfdb9b2b67

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Zahawi’s spokesman said he “had no experience of running a business at the time and so relied heavily on the support and guidance of his father, who was an experienced entrepreneur”.

He said Zahawi’s father had provided £7,000 in start-up capital to YouGov as well as financial support to his son, who had given up his job for the business.

This explanation now appears to have been undermined YouGov’s company secretary, Tilly Heald, who said that Hareth Zahawi had not advised the business and was merely a shareholder. “To YouGov’s knowledge, YouGov had/has no association with Hareth Zahawi beyond any interests he may have held/holds in Balshore Investments Ltd in its capacity as a YouGov shareholder,” Heald said.

Employees who worked at YouGov in its early years had no recollection of Zahawi’s father being in the office and were surprised to hear of his alleged involvement with the business.
https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4...e-26Ib1G9vlEnc

Hugh 21-01-2023 21:46
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The previous Prime Minister is the g(r)ift that keeps on giving…

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The BBC chairman, the prime minister and the £800,000 loan guarantee
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...6a09917ba59a92

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The BBC chairman helped to arrange a guarantee on a loan of up to £800,000 for Boris Johnson weeks before the then prime minister recommended him for the role.

Richard Sharp was involved in talks about financing Johnson’s Downing Street lifestyle in November and December 2020. Sharp, 66, a former banker at Goldman Sachs, had already submitted his application to become chairman of the public service broadcaster and had reached the final stages of the recruitment process.

Late in 2020, Johnson, 58, was in financial trouble as he faced divorce payments, childcare costs and bills for the refurbishment of his Downing Street flat. Sharp, a friend and former adviser to the politician who has given £400,000 to the Conservative Party, became involved that November after a dinner at the home of Sam Blyth, an old friend, in west London.

Before the loan was finalised, Johnson, Sharp and Blyth had a private dinner at Chequers, the prime minister’s grace-and-favour home in the Chiltern Hills in Buckinghamshire, where, according to a source, they ate chop suey and drank wine. The three insist that Johnson’s finances were not discussed.

In late December, the Cabinet Office propriety and ethics team wrote a formal letter telling Johnson to stop seeking Sharp’s advice about his personal finances, given the forthcoming BBC appointment.

By then, Johnson had selected Sharp as his preferred candidate and, days later, on January 6, 2021, Oliver Dowden, who was then culture secretary, announced him as the government’s choice for the £160,000-a-year role.
Quote:
Sharp did not disclose his involvement in Johnson’s finances to the panel. Nor did he inform the BBC, and the matter was not disclosed during his pre-appointment hearing before a House of Commons select committee in February 2021.

The government’s own job application form explicitly says: “You cannot be considered for a public appointment if ... you fail to declare any conflict of interest.” It also tells candidates to report “any issues in your personal or professional history that could, if you were appointed, be misconstrued, cause embarrassment, or cause public confidence in the appointment to be jeopardised”.

Johnson never disclosed Sharp’s involvement in the MPs’ register of interests, which says members must declare any benefit that could influence, or be perceived to influence, their public work. He also omitted it from his register of ministerial interests.

Mr K 21-01-2023 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36144124)
The previous Prime Minister is the g(r)ift that keeps on giving…



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...6a09917ba59a92
But he got Brexit done and that's all that matters. Or did it get Britain done? Same difference..

Damien 21-01-2023 22:48
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Tories dodged a bullet not bringing Johnson back. Even after he has left it's just scandal after scandal as stuff comes up from his time as PM.

denphone 22-01-2023 06:50
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Indeed they certainly did dodge a bullet by not bringing Johnson back but whether they dodge the British electorate in less then 2 years is another matter.

No doubt a pre-election tax cut bribe will be high on their agenda..

Sephiroth 22-01-2023 11:55
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A tax cut bribe may well be offered. Then Labour will pledge to maintain the cut and the Tories, sadly, will be in oblivion. It’s all stacking up against them and deep down, Sunak knows this.

Mr K 22-01-2023 12:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144140)
A tax cut bribe may well be offered. Then Labour will pledge to maintain the cut and the Tories, sadly, will be in oblivion. It’s all stacking up against them and deep down, Sunak knows this.
It's been downhill since 2016, Corbyn was the only thing that saved them at the last election.

The electorate can't escape criticism, they keep voting for stupid things and populist liars, now they are reaping the consequences.

1andrew1 23-01-2023 11:06
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Lordy. It's coming thick and fast this morning.

PM orders ethics probe into Zahawi tax row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64373509

ianch99 23-01-2023 11:29
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36144224)
Lordy. It's coming thick and fast this morning.

PM orders ethics probe into Zahawi tax row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64373509
Don't get your hopes up, his "independent" ethics adviser is a former banker, educated at Eton and Oxford, appointed by Sunak :D

Dave42 23-01-2023 11:30
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36144224)
Lordy. It's coming thick and fast this morning.

PM orders ethics probe into Zahawi tax row
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64373509
he had no choice really

Maggy 23-01-2023 12:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144141)
It's been downhill since 2016, Corbyn was the only thing that saved them at the last election.

The electorate can't escape criticism, they keep voting for stupid things and populist liars, now they are reaping the consequences.
Not this member of the electorate.

denphone 23-01-2023 12:45
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A interesting snippet this morning regarding governments in power.


Since the end of the second world war, UK governments have generally been brought down by economic/financial crises (1970, 1974, 1979, 2010) or sleaze/ethics crises (1964, 1997).

The current Conservative government is on course to fail on both.

Hugh 23-01-2023 13:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36144226)
Don't get your hopes up, his "independent" ethics adviser is a former banker, educated at Eton and Oxford, appointed by Sunak :D
Current banking advisor... ;)

https://www.evercore.com/bios/sir-laurie-magnus/

1andrew1 23-01-2023 16:47
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Another investigation
Quote:
William Shawcross, commissioner for public appointments, to review Richard Sharp’s appointment as chairman of the BBC

This is in addition to BBC review

Interview panel and DCMS committee did not know Sharp was involved in talks about Boris Johnson’s personal finances.
Source: Whitehall Editor of The Sunday Times - Gabrie Pogrund
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund

Mr K 23-01-2023 17:20
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They need a new Ministry for Investigations, for all the investigations needed into this corrupt lot.

daveeb 23-01-2023 21:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144264)
They need a new Ministry for Investigations, for all the investigations needed into this corrupt lot.
And genuinely independant people to appoint all the "independant" committees they keep setting up all appointed and controlled by themselves. :erm:

TheDaddy 23-01-2023 22:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36144285)
And genuinely independant people to appoint all the "independant" committees they keep setting up all appointed and controlled by themselves. :erm:
That's the question, what are the parameters of these committees and panels and who sets them

Kursk 24-01-2023 11:19
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If a Minister requires an investigation, it will be administered by a professional and unimpeachable Civil Service. The continuity of our system of government is in safe hands.

ianch99 24-01-2023 12:32
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I think Zahawi is toast. The key to being a tax dodger is not to get caught.

Today's Tory Corruption story:

Conservative health minister has big stake in Covid testing firm

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A Conservative health minister has a substantial financial stake in a private health screening and Covid testing firm, raising questions about the potential for a conflict of interest.

Nick Markham, a businessman who was given a peerage under Liz Truss and appointed to the health department, owns about 30% of Cignpost Investments and has done so throughout his first four months in the job.

The company was set up during the pandemic to provide Covid testing and health screening services to the private sector. Markham’s biography for the Department for Health website makes no mention of his private health sector interest, despite describing his previous private sector jobs at ITV and TopUp TV and as the founder of a charity.

Markham was made a health minister in September and declared the Cignpost investment on his register of interests in the House of Lords. Ministerial interests are meant to be overseen by an independent adviser but the post has been vacant for six months since Lord Geidt resigned under Boris Johnson

Ms NTL 24-01-2023 13:44
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One error

Quote:
Ministerial interests are meant to be overseen by an independent adviser but the post has been vacant for six months since Lord Geidt resigned
Sir Laurie Magnus has been appointed.

Hugh 24-01-2023 14:10
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36144318)
If a Minister requires an investigation, it will be administered by a professional and unimpeachable Civil Service. The continuity of our system of government is in safe hands.
If the PM feels that it may require an investigation…

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ters-interests

Quote:
2. Investigation of alleged breaches of the Ministerial Code

2.1 Under the terms of the Ministerial Code (1.4a): “If there is an allegation about a breach of the Code, and the Prime Minister, having consulted the Cabinet Secretary, feels that it warrants further investigation, he may ask the Cabinet Office to investigate the facts of the case and/or refer the matter to the independent adviser on Ministers’ interests.”

Ms NTL 24-01-2023 14:33
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Correct.

Geidt was not allowed to investigate anything unless the PM asks him to do so – even if the prime minister is the person accused of wrongdoing.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dar...-arms-company/

ianch99 24-01-2023 15:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36144331)
One error

Sir Laurie Magnus has been appointed.
The post was vacant when Markham was appointed a minister and so there was no oversight at the time that might have changed things. Saying that, any intervention from said ethics advisor has to be greenlit by the PM it seems.

Jobs for boys ...

Hugh 24-01-2023 22:30
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36144261)
Another investigation

Quote:
William Shawcross, commissioner for public appointments, to review Richard Sharp’s appointment as chairman of the BBC

This is in addition to BBC review

Interview panel and DCMS committee did not know Sharp was involved in talks about Boris Johnson’s personal finances.
Source: Whitehall Editor of The Sunday Times - Gabrie Pogrund
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund
I’m sure Mr Shawcross will be totally independent, and not be influenced by the fact his daughter is Head of the No 10 Policy Unit and that she is married to the Tory Peer Lord Wolfson…

Sephiroth 25-01-2023 11:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36144363)
I’m sure Mr Shawcross will be totally independent, and not be influenced by the fact his daughter is Head of the No 10 Policy Unit and that she is married to the Tory Peer Lord Wolfson…
This is a first for me. Your sarcasm is spot on.

ianch99 25-01-2023 12:13
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Seems even the Daily Mail has it in for Zahawi:

Revealed: Embattled Tory chairman Nadhim Zahawi's family lived in Cotswolds mansion in breach of planning condition for a decade

Chris 25-01-2023 12:58
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36144393)
I think the mainstream right-wing press in this country is beginning the slow and painful process of making peace with the idea of a Labour government next year. The Tories are spent, bereft of ideas and talent and lacking a coherent vision for the country. They need to go into opposition, probably for two terms, while they take a breather and think about what they’re supposed to be for.

That being the case, the press, especially tabloids which don’t like backing the wrong horse, have no incentive to apologise for the failings of those whose ideological alignment they generally share and every reason to convince themselves they can tolerate the alternative, which is certainly easier with a Labour Party led by Keir Starmer than one under Jeremy Corbyn.

Damien 25-01-2023 13:14
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The Daily Mail seemed more of a Boris backer and then a Liz Truss backer and is less keen on Sunak. They defended Johnson long after most allies had given up, and dismissed the talk of parties whilst running 14 or 15 front pages in a row on Beergate. They backed Truss when Johnson did leave and laid in Sunak a lot for scaremongering on Truss' economic plans before defending her budget for longer than anyone else did.

I don't think it's Starmer they're easier with but instead waiting for Johnson to try and stage another come back.

denphone 25-01-2023 13:25
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
l cannot see Johnson making a comeback as also two thirds of the public don't want him to hold high office again.

Chris 25-01-2023 15:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36144406)
The Daily Mail seemed more of a Boris backer and then a Liz Truss backer and is less keen on Sunak. They defended Johnson long after most allies had given up, and dismissed the talk of parties whilst running 14 or 15 front pages in a row on Beergate. They backed Truss when Johnson did leave and laid in Sunak a lot for scaremongering on Truss' economic plans before defending her budget for longer than anyone else did.

I don't think it's Starmer they're easier with but instead waiting for Johnson to try and stage another come back.
Despite appearances to the contrary these people aren’t stupid. Boris isn’t coming back and I doubt anyone at the Daily Mail really thinks he is, even if they write OpEds implying it.

The tabloids liked Boris because he was a winner, he spoke their language and he made headlines that sold newspapers. But they’re not so entranced by him that they can’t see the polling that suggests bringing him back would help the Tories retain the red wall only at the expense of almost everywhere else.

I don’t think the Daily Mail will ever love Keir Starmer but they will find themselves well able to hold their noses and get on with him.

Pierre 25-01-2023 19:11
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It’s going to be a very grim 12 yrs.

2 more yrs of the Tory’s, with the press jumping on MPs that have incorrectly calculated the square footage of their new extension on their planning application or demanding the PM resign as he overrun his Pay and Display ticket at his local NCP.

Then potentially 10 yrs of PM “what’s a cervix” Starmer and Deputy PM “smash your face in” Rayner that have done nothing….nothing…..absolutely nothing…to deserve their lead in the poll except not be Tories ( which many may deem enough). They have offered no vision for the U.K. they win purely by default.

He may have ended up a warmonger, but at least Blair coalesced everyone around an idea. Starmer is just a boring ****.

Do I waste my vote on a fringe party? Or just not bother.

I think if Labour win, which they will, it’ll be a hollow victory against a backdrop of very low turnout. Not that they’ll care.

Paul 25-01-2023 20:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36144427)
I think if Labour win, which they will, it’ll be a hollow victory against a backdrop of very low turnout.
Many people wont vote next time anyway, with this ridiculous demand for a "photo id".

Damien 25-01-2023 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36144427)
Then potentially 10 yrs of PM “what’s a cervix” Starmer and Deputy PM “smash your face in” Rayner that have done nothing….nothing…..absolutely nothing…to deserve their lead in the poll except not be Tories ( which many may deem enough). They have offered no vision for the U.K. they win purely by default.
That's often how it goes through. The question won't be what have Labour done to deserve to be elected but what have the Tores done to be re-elected. Have they made the country better? If people feel not, that it's the last 12 years that have been grim, then they might give others a chance. They will be kicked out if they don't make it better too.

denphone 26-01-2023 07:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36144430)
Many people wont vote next time anyway, with this ridiculous demand for a "photo id".
l am not sure but l don't think the "photo id" applies to postal votes.

1andrew1 26-01-2023 09:09
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36144399)
I think the mainstream right-wing press in this country is beginning the slow and painful process of making peace with the idea of a Labour government next year. The Tories are spent, bereft of ideas and talent and lacking a coherent vision for the country. They need to go into opposition, probably for two terms, while they take a breather and think about what they’re supposed to be for.

That being the case, the press, especially tabloids which don’t like backing the wrong horse, have no incentive to apologise for the failings of those whose ideological alignment they generally share and every reason to convince themselves they can tolerate the alternative, which is certainly easier with a Labour Party led by Keir Starmer than one under Jeremy Corbyn.
I think the current Conservative administration has ceased to be useful to the right-wing press. They know the government's unpopular with their readers, so why risk losing readers and revenue by defending people like Zaharwi.

Paul 26-01-2023 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36144440)
l am not sure but l don't think the "photo id" applies to postal votes.
It doesnt, however you do have to register for them well in advance.
Getting most people to care enough to do that, and then do the postal vote, is another matter.

Mr K 26-01-2023 21:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36144427)
Starmer is just a boring ****.
.
Whats wrong with boring and competent? It's not an entertainment role.
I'll take that over 'Boris aren't I a loveable lying rogue Johnson', who has destroyed this country. Its only a bit of a laugh for him at the end of the day. The rest of his party are equally talentless, corrupt and in it for no one but themselves.

Sephiroth 26-01-2023 21:27
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144486)
Whats wrong with boring and competent? It's not an entertainment role.
I'll take that over 'Boris aren't I a loveable lying rogue Johnson', who has destroyed this country. Its only a bit of a laugh for him at the end of the day. The rest of his party are equally talentless, corrupt and in it for no one but themselves.
Oh oh. You're going too far. I'm a Conservative Party member and you have no business ascribing those insult to me.

Mr K 26-01-2023 21:30
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144489)
Oh oh. You're going too far. I'm a Conservative Party member and you have no business ascribing those insult to me.
Parliamentary party then ;)

Sephiroth 26-01-2023 22:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36144490)
Parliamentary party then ;)
All of them or just the front bench and some ex-front bench?

ianch99 26-01-2023 22:43
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144493)
All of them or just the front bench and some ex-front bench?
All of them as they all seem to vote for these extreme, anti-democratic laws they are getting through the commons.

Sephiroth 26-01-2023 22:53
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36144497)
All of them as they all seem to vote for these extreme, anti-democratic laws they are getting through the commons.
What has your rant got to do with MrK's accusation?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K
Whats wrong with boring and competent? It's not an entertainment role.
I'll take that over 'Boris aren't I a loveable lying rogue Johnson', who has destroyed this country. Its only a bit of a laugh for him at the end of the day. The rest of his party are equally talentless, corrupt and in it for no one but themselves.

TheDaddy 27-01-2023 00:50
Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36144498)
What has your rant got to do with MrK's accusation?
Everything...


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