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Damien 05-12-2022 16:03
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36141212)
Yes, though I don’t think it’s correct to characterise him as simply the money man. At SpaceX, in particular, he consciously backed a particular approach to rocket development (and continues to do so), and was willing to back it to the limit of his available funds. The original Falcon One rocket was proven more or less at the last gasp. Obviously he’s not a rocket scientist himself but he clearly grasps enough of the history and potential of rocket design to make useful leadership decisions at SpaceX.
Well, I assume this is because he had smart people to help him make such decisions which is what makes his antics with Twitter so bizarre. He seems to be playing to the gallery as opposed to what's best for the company.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141216)
It’s why all these pathetic lefty echo chambers are popping up all over the place, as an “alternative”. Makes me want to puke.
That's internet 101. Plenty of right-wing echo chambers as well: Rumble, Truth Social and Parler for a bit. Facebook Groups, right-wing YouTubers and Subreddits.

People love their echo chambers whatever they are on the political divide.

ianch99 05-12-2022 16:17
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141210)
Utter lefty typical nonsense.

While it was a mistake, to allow “Ye” aka Kanye West back on Twitter, he’s now banned again, & he is black btw so how he can be a “White supremacist”, is beyond me.

Elon Musk had not allowed back White supremacists on, under old regime at Twitter HQ, Trump should never have been banned, he was a sitting president, the same stupid lefty pricks at Twitter, now fired and rightly so, given their inability to be impartial and only targeting Conservative/Republican accounts, allowed Putin and leaders of other dubious Human rights record to post their propaganda bullshit, but I didn’t and still don’t see you whinging about their accounts Being allowed on.

But he’s not unbanned Alex Jones, who I agree is a nut job.

Musk previously voted Democrat, but because of their stupid woke policies, stupidity during covid responses (that are still ongoing in some states) and the fact every city they run, turns to shit with high crime and high homelessness, he’s switched sides, serves the pathetic Democrats right, they have senile dementia ridden president, that if they cared much about, they would 25th Amendment him. :rolleyes:
Let's put aside the lazy "lefty" tropes for a minute and examine who Musk "unbanned" recently, and yes he did unban Kanye West who did not then play nice and is banned again. Too much Hitler loving it seems. Other notable unbanned are Andrew Anglin, one of America’s most notorious neo-Nazis. The creator of the white supremacist website The Daily Stormer who had been banned from the social media platform for nearly a decade.

The notorious "lefty rag" Daily Mail is reporting:

From Donald Trump's adviser Steve Bannon to rapper Wiley: The banned accounts that could soon return to Twitter under Elon Musk's suspension 'amnesty'

People like Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson and Steve Bannon may be posting again ..

The arrogance of Musk is that his opinion is the only one that counts here and it seems his love of himself will eventually poison Twitter and turn it in to cesspool of hate.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141213)
This post will be filed under "I don't really know the facts and just follow the narrative"
Sorry to disappoint but I know the facts. Never knew neo-nazis were your thing, takes all sorts I guess.

Mick 05-12-2022 16:30
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You do not know the facts at all ianch99, you stated in an earlier post they had already been unbanned and are now saying they may be unbanned, which is it?

He also unbanned far left Kathy Griffin.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141221)
Well, I assume this is because he had smart people to help him make such decisions which is what makes his antics with Twitter so bizarre. He seems to be playing to the gallery as opposed to what's best for the company.

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That's internet 101. Plenty of right-wing echo chambers as well: Rumble, Truth Social and Parler for a bit. Facebook Groups, right-wing YouTubers and Subreddits.

People love their echo chambers whatever they are on the political divide.
The left are not being persecuted and banned like the right have been, under prior regime, too right, alternatives for conservatives voices were created to stop the heavy censorship coming from the left. I’m only a member on Twitter. Truth Social is a disaster, GettR is no better, Parler got banned by Apple App Store, tells you all need to know how much power the left was holding over the right, it had to end.

ianch99 05-12-2022 16:35
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141228)
You do not know the facts at all ianch99, you stated in an earlier post they had already been unbanned and are now saying they may be unbanned, which is it?

He also unbanned far left Kathy Griffin.
Don't twist my words.

I don't really care on what side of the political divide they are, what I care about is their ability to spew hate & bile in order to mislead.

Twitter, or any mainstream social media platform, has no place for neo-Nazi's, white supremacists, insurrectionists, left-wing violent anarchists, antisemites, etc.

Mick 05-12-2022 16:58
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141233)
Don't twist my words.

I don't really care on what side of the political divide they are, what I care about is their ability to spew hate & bile in order to mislead.

Twitter, or any mainstream social media platform, has no place for neo-Nazi's, white supremacists, insurrectionists, left-wing violent anarchists, antisemites, etc.
Is why such accounts are banned, Kanye West posted the Swastika, was also said to have given praise for Adolf Hitler, he is now banned, quite rightly too. So no Neo-Nazism claptrap are/is allowed as you profess. If it gets seen or reported, it will be banned, free speech doesn’t mean free reach, Musk’s own words.

Pierre 05-12-2022 17:13
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141225)
Sorry to disappoint but I know the facts. Never knew neo-nazis were your thing, takes all sorts I guess.
I refer you Damiens post. There are far left commentators on and far right commentators.

On a platform like Twitter there should be space for both.

Unless you equate far left = good & far right = bad, but I already know the answer to that. Any one that equates Katie Hopkins to a neo-Nazi is already too far gone.

before you ask, I think extremes in either direction are bad.

ianch99 05-12-2022 17:33
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141247)
I refer you Damiens post. There are far left commentators on and far right commentators.

On a platform like Twitter there should be space for both.

Unless you equate far left = good & far right = bad, but I already know the answer to that. Any one that equates Katie Hopkins to a neo-Nazi is already too far gone.

before you ask, I think extremes in either direction are bad.
You literally do not read posts do you? I certainly did not equate "Katie Hopkins to a neo-Nazi" and I also said:

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Twitter, or any mainstream social media platform, has no place for neo-Nazi's, white supremacists, insurrectionists, left-wing violent anarchists, antisemites, etc.
I would actually say, using your simplistic equivalence: "far left = bad & far right = bad" but you may not read this statement ..

Mick 05-12-2022 17:45
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Just to say, I also consider far left and far right to be bad, I haven’t seen anywhere where Musk is creating a platform for them. If content is illegal & racist attacks are in most civilised countries, such accounts will be dealt with. Accounts already banned, not all will be granted amnesty.

Paul 05-12-2022 17:59
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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141204)
Why don't you read the links?
Becasue I cant be arsed with more sites that want me to make cookie choices.

Just posting links with no explanation at all is just lazy posting.

Ramrod 05-12-2022 18:28
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36141256)
Becasue I cant be arsed with more sites that want me to make cookie choices.

Just posting links with no explanation at all is just lazy posting.
*sigh*....here:

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How Twitter suppressed the Hunter Biden laptop story

Musk, has released a long Twitter ‘thread’ citing company emails which show how the website colluded with political actors to censor sensitive information in the run up to the 2020 election. The most shocking document is this one:


What that message suggests is that Joe Biden’s campaign would flag content it didn’t approve of and Twitter would simply ‘handle’ — i.e. suppress — it.

On October 14, 2020, less than a month before election day, the Post published ‘BIDEN’S SECRET EMAILS’: an exposé that used files obtained from Hunter Biden’s laptop and which suggested that ‘the big guy’ — possibly Joe Biden, the man running to be president — may have been involved in his son’s business dealings.

Perhaps the most disturbing part of Taibbi’s revelations is that they aren’t that surprising. Everybody knew that Twitter covered up a story that may have harmed Joe Biden. It’s just now we can see the evidence — and for that we should thank Twitter’s unorthodox new owner.

Mick 05-12-2022 18:45
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I have to say the Biden team requesting certain right wing accounts censored over the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, during a Presidential election, Actor James Wood considering legal action, not against Twitter, as they’re protected by Section 230, but government led agencies, who are not, could be in clear breach of the 1st Amendment requesting Twitter silence certain views.

Damien 05-12-2022 19:15
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141264)
I have to say the Biden team requesting certain right wing accounts censored over the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, during a Presidential election, Actor James Wood considering legal action, not against Twitter, as they’re protected by Section 230, but government led agencies, who are not, could be in clear breach of the 1st Amendment requesting Twitter silence certain views.
If it's the Biden campaign doing it, who weren't in power anyway, wouldn't be in breach. Especially if they complained but didn't use any threats.

If the White House did it then maybe but again it depends if it was a request or not. Political campaigns are always complaining to the media about coverage for example but that doesn't amount to using state power to silence someone.

Hugh 05-12-2022 20:10
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141268)
If it's the Biden campaign doing it, who weren't in power anyway, wouldn't be in breach. Especially if they complained but didn't use any threats.

If the White House did it then maybe but again it depends if it was a request or not. Political campaigns are always complaining to the media about coverage for example but that doesn't amount to using state power to silence someone.
Both Biden’s campaign and the White House asked for tweets to be removed.

https://www.businessinsider.com/twit...2-12?r=US&IR=T

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Twitter in 2020 granted requests from both President Donald Trump's White House and candidate Joe Biden's campaign to remove content, according to a thread published Friday by independent journalist Matt Taibbi.

Pierre 05-12-2022 21:47
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141252)
You literally do not read posts do you? I certainly did not equate "Katie Hopkins to a neo-Nazi"
Well it was in the same post, who in your reply to me were you referring to then?

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141225)
People like Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson and Steve Bannon may be posting again
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Never knew neo-nazis were your thing, takes all sorts I guess.

ianch99 05-12-2022 22:44
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141288)
Well it was in the same post, who in your reply to me were you referring to then?
God, this is tedious.

I said:

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Other notable unbanned are Andrew Anglin, one of America’s most notorious neo-Nazis. The creator of the white supremacist website The Daily Stormer who had been banned from the social media platform for nearly a decade.
A neo-Nazi, got it yet?

I also linked to a Daily Mail article where they think people like Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson and Steve Bannon may be unbanned and posting again.

Not neo-Nazis, understand?

Ramrod 06-12-2022 11:55
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A decent explanation of the sequence of events:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-emails-story/

ianch99 06-12-2022 13:02
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Here's a good example of Musk unbanning someone who really should not have a platform on social media:

Andrew Tate Is Back on Twitter. Here's Why He's Still Banned Almost Everywhere Else

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Andrew Tate is back on Twitter. After first being banned from the platform in 2017, the social media personality -- who's been banned from most other platforms for misogynistic comments -- had his Twitter account restored on Friday. He's since amassed 1.5 million followers.

The short story is that 35-year-old Tate is a self-help personality who revels in misogyny. Purporting to extoll wisdom to men that helps them "escape the matrix," Tate has falsely claimed that women bear some responsibility for being sexually assaulted and that they have no "innate responsibility and honor."

After social media platforms blocked him, a spokesperson for Tate told Bloomberg: "Banning Andrew Tate from these platforms might seem the answer, but it isn't that simple. Removing Tate's voice doesn't allow for a kinder hate-free society."

That's not how TikTok sees it.

"Misogyny is a hateful ideology that is not tolerated on TikTok," a company spokesperson said. "We've been removing violative videos and accounts for weeks, and we welcome the news that other platforms are also taking action against this individual."

Says Roose: Tate is an "example of what these [social media] regulations have been put in place to address."
Others may want everyone, including impressionable children, to hear this kind of bile:

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Back in 2017, he was kicked off Twitter when, criticizing the #MeToo movement, he said that rape victims "bear some responsibility" for putting themselves in a position to be assaulted, a false claim that seeks to exonerate the perpetrators of violence against women. Speaking about married women who make money via OnlyFans, a subscription service known for sexually explicit content, Tate said they owe their partners money since they're a man's property. Explaining why he'd never let a woman drive his car, he claimed that women "have no innate responsibility or honor."
but I for one, do not and he is just one of many ...

Pierre 06-12-2022 17:05
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141319)
Here's a good example of Musk unbanning someone who really should not have a platform on social media:

Andrew Tate Is Back on Twitter. Here's Why He's Still Banned Almost Everywhere Else



Others may want everyone, including impressionable children, to hear this kind of bile:



but I for one, do not and he is just one of many ...
There's just as many left wing, CRT, Antifa, Trans activist nut jobs on there as well. What's your point?

ianch99 06-12-2022 17:42
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141335)
There's just as many left wing, CRT, Antifa, Trans activist nut jobs on there as well. What's your point?
Which of these "nut jobs" has Musk unbanned recently? Again, if you read the posts, you would know what my point is.

Pierre 06-12-2022 18:24
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141337)
Which of these "nut jobs" has Musk unbanned recently? Again, if you read the posts, you would know what my point is.
They weren’t banned, that’s the point. Twitter was happy let the left-wing nut jobs on Twitter, but summarily banned anyone on the right. All he is doing is redressing that anomaly.

I’ve read your posts.

You want people you don’t like banned. It doesn’t (or shouldn’t) work that way. As long as they are not breaking the law ( or site rules) by what they post, anyone should be free to post anything.

Hugh 06-12-2022 18:35
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141339)
They weren’t banned, that’s the point. Twitter was happy let the left-wing nut jobs on Twitter, but summarily banned anyone on the right. All he is doing is redressing that anomaly.

I’ve read your posts.

You want people you don’t like banned. It doesn’t (or shouldn’t) work that way. As long as they are not breaking the law ( or site rules) by what they post, anyone should be free to post anything.
Andrew Tate was breaking Twitter’s Site Rules

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...witter-account

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He was permanently suspended from Twitter in 2017 for violating its terms of service but reportedly had snuck back onto the platform using different accounts.

Pierre 06-12-2022 18:49
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36141340)
Andrew Tate was breaking Twitter’s Site Rules

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...witter-account
Yes, well Twitter played fast and loose with their site rules. Banning Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson etc for matters of opinion, yet taking no action against those threatening to Murder and Rape JK Rowling.

I’m sure Musk will revise the site rules so that as long as the law is not broken, people will be able say what they want, and that will be a good thing.

Out of curiosity what rules did he break, the article you cite does not say.

Mr K 06-12-2022 20:16
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Who needs social media when you've got CF?

Has Mr Musk made a bid for the site yet ? ;)

ianch99 06-12-2022 20:49
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36141347)
Who needs social media when you've got CF?

Has Mr Musk made a bid for the site yet ? ;)
He can't afford it :)

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141339)
They weren’t banned, that’s the point. Twitter was happy let the left-wing nut jobs on Twitter, but summarily banned anyone on the right. All he is doing is redressing that anomaly.

I’ve read your posts.

You want people you don’t like banned. It doesn’t (or shouldn’t) work that way. As long as they are not breaking the law ( or site rules) by what they post, anyone should be free to post anything.
Again, your reading fails to match reality. I said people who post hateful and damaging content should not be given a platform to do so. You may be content with men proclaiming women bear a responsibility for being raped and are a man's property, but I am not.

Pierre 06-12-2022 21:03
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141354)
I said people who post hateful and damaging content should not be given a platform to do so
Define that.

Tell me who decides what that is

Tell me who decides who polices that.


Three easy questions.

Damien 06-12-2022 21:16
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141359)
Define that.

Tell me who decides what that is

Tell me who decides who polices that.


Three easy questions.
Well, Twitter defined and policed it. They did/do so primarily concerned about their appeal to advertisers and users. I imagine they'll probably do the same now.

For all the fuss about these e-mails what they show is that it was Twitter making the decisions as a private company. If they get those decisions wrong it will hurt the company. We can complain about those moderation decisions and advertisers can make those decisions costly/profitable.

Really what else do people want to happen here? Musk can now do what he wants with it.

Pierre 06-12-2022 21:51
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141361)
Well, Twitter defined and policed it
Thank you but I’m asking Ian for his answers.

Maggy 06-12-2022 22:22
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141363)
Thank you but I’m asking Ian for his answers.
Let's not forget that this is a discussion open to all members and you can't pick and choose who answers

Pierre 06-12-2022 23:25
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36141365)
Let's not forget that this is a discussion open to all members and you can't pick and choose who answers
Well? You seem to have missed the point of the direction of the discussion………,but I hope you’re ok.

ianch99 07-12-2022 12:20
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141361)
Well, Twitter defined and policed it. They did/do so primarily concerned about their appeal to advertisers and users. I imagine they'll probably do the same now.

For all the fuss about these e-mails what they show is that it was Twitter making the decisions as a private company. If they get those decisions wrong it will hurt the company. We can complain about those moderation decisions and advertisers can make those decisions costly/profitable.

Really what else do people want to happen here? Musk can now do what he wants with it.
There in lies the essence of the problem. One man, due to his huge personal wealth, can dictate the policy of a platform used by millions of people the world over. That is the definition of the exact opposite of free speech. Pandering to the whims & diktats of a preening narcissist will only lead to trouble.

Pierre 07-12-2022 13:34
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141385)
There in lies the essence of the problem. One man, due to his huge personal wealth, can dictate the policy of a platform used by millions of people the world over. That is the definition of the exact opposite of free speech. Pandering to the whims & diktats of a preening narcissist will only lead to trouble.
It didn't fair any better with the previous management.

Mick 08-12-2022 21:03
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141386)
It didn't fair any better with the previous management.
Correct, because America got the useless & woke Democrats turning everything to shit and try to silence their opponents by demanding Twitter bans and censorship conservative voices. Not anymore under Elon.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141361)
Musk can now do what he wants with it.
That’s not true, Musk still has to abide by laws in countries his company runs in, including its own.

Maggy 09-12-2022 09:16
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141385)
There in lies the essence of the problem. One man, due to his huge personal wealth, can dictate the policy of a platform used by millions of people the world over. That is the definition of the exact opposite of free speech. Pandering to the whims & diktats of a preening narcissist will only lead to trouble.
Well it seems to me that anyone who disagrees with the platform/website/ownership can just unsubscribe and then it’s the new owner’s responsibility/problem on whether it remains viable. There are lots of other spaces to visit and subscribe to.

ianch99 09-12-2022 15:52
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36141506)
Well it seems to me that anyone who disagrees with the platform/website/ownership can just unsubscribe and then it’s the new owner’s responsibility/problem on whether it remains viable. There are lots of other spaces to visit and subscribe to.
You are are correct up to a point. The main issue is that Twitter is a non-subscription platform open to all, including children. There are those that do not have the political & societal maturity to gauge if the content they may come across is appropriate or harmful. That is why the platform had a team to filter content that was inappropriate from both ends of the political spectrum.

You can argue, and some do, that the filter was biased. That is par for the course in today's fractured world but the principle remains that harmful content needs moderating. It is this latter aspect of Twitter that Musk is reducing. I would not be surprised if racist/homophobic/misogynist/etc. content is not already on the rise.

Paul 09-12-2022 20:12
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141544)
... but the principle remains that harmful content needs moderating.
The problem with that principle, as always, is who decides what is "harmful".

Pierre 09-12-2022 22:19
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141544)
There are those that do not have the political & societal maturity to gauge if the content they may come across is appropriate or harmful.
Which hasn’t changed since it’s inception.

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That is why the platform had a team to filter content that was inappropriate from both ends of the political spectrum.
I’m sure a team still exists, just with different personnel.

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but the principle remains that harmful content needs moderating.
It does. Define Harmful, advise who should moderate and against what criteria.

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It is this latter aspect of Twitter that Musk is reducing.
Evidence?

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I would not be surprised if racist/homophobic/misogynist/etc. content is not already on the rise.
Firstly, that sentence is incorrect. I won’t say why. Repeat it to yourself, you’ll work it out.

Secondly, it’s baseless and is not grounded in any factual reality.

Ramrod 10-12-2022 18:46
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This is a very good recap of the story so far: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...r-us-agencies/

ianch99 11-12-2022 11:21
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As expected:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...musk-s-twitter

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In a report released Friday, the Center for Countering Digital Hate said that since Musk has purchased Twitter, there have been nearly 3,900 posts a day that include a slur against Black people — more than triple the 2022 average of 1,282. Tweets using a slur against gay people rose 58%, from 2,506 to 3,964 a day, and posts that included a transgender slur jumped by 62%, from 3,159 to 5,117.

There was also a 33% increase in posts using a disparaging term about women, according to the report.

Separately, the Anti-Defamation League said Friday that it found there was a 61% spike in antisemitic tweets referencing “Jews” or “Judaism” — excluding retweets — in the two weeks following Musk’s takeover compared to the two weeks prior. Last month, the group also reported that Twitter has taken action on about half the number of antisemitic posts as before.

And posts promoting hate toward LGBTQ+ people had wide reach in the wake of last month’s mass shooting at the gay nightclub Club Q in Colorado Springs, Colorado, being viewed tens of millions of times, the CCDH said.

Some posts claimed Club Q was “grooming” children, including one tweet that was viewed 10 million times alone. Another post with a photo of transgender person and disparaging caption was made by a user whom Twitter had previously banned but was reinstated under Musk, the report said.
The essential takeaway:

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“Elon Musk sent up the batsignal to every kind of racist, misogynist and homophobe that Twitter was open for business, and they have react [sic] accordingly,” Imran Ahmed, the Center for Countering Digital Hate’s CEO, said in a statement to Twitter.
Other articles:

Hate Speech’s Rise on Twitter Is Unprecedented, Researchers Find

Santa Clara Co. DA deactivating Twitter account due to rise in hate speech after Musk takeover

Mick 11-12-2022 12:24
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Absolutely laughable. Opinions Posted from far left nut job entities like the NYT and ABCNews, Democrat leaning shills for Media, utter joke. :rolleyes:

Elon posted graphical data himself showing hate speech has gone down, not up since he took over, he’s aggressively gone after child sexual abuse content, given a claim made in one of the Twitter files release that senior executives under old regime, put dealing with it on the back burner, which in my eyes, such ignorance equals just as complicit, = is a crime.

Damien 11-12-2022 13:03
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What do people want to actually happen as a result of the 'Twitter files'? So far the leaks show the moderation decisions were made by Twitter staff and were not forced to do so by the Government, the Government and the Biden campaign complained about things but the former didn't use their power to force things down and the latter didn't have the power.

So is the complaint that the Government didn't step in to put restrictions on the ability what Twitter can allow or refuse? And is telling a private company that they must permit certain content actually breaking the first amendment? After all forced speech isn't free speech.

TheDaddy 11-12-2022 13:33
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141607)
Elon posted graphical data himself showing hate speech has gone down, not up since he took over, he’s aggressively gone after child sexual abuse content, given a claim made in one of the Twitter files release that senior executives under old regime, put dealing with it on the back burner, which in my eyes, such ignorance equals just as complicit, = is a crime.
Gone aggressively after child sexual absue content by reducing the team combating it to one...

1andrew1 11-12-2022 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141609)
What do people want to actually happen as a result of the 'Twitter files'? So far the leaks show the moderation decisions were made by Twitter staff and were not forced to do so by the Government, the Government and the Biden campaign complained about things but the former didn't use their power to force things down and the latter didn't have the power.

So is the complaint that the Government didn't step in to put restrictions on the ability what Twitter can allow or refuse? And is telling a private company that they must permit certain content actually breaking the first amendment? After all forced speech isn't free speech.
It's a very good question.

I think it's all largely noise with politicians seeking an organisation to blame and to galvanise their supporters. Twitter is a good lightning rod for their complaints given the nature of the site. Perhaps some hope that if there's a lot of whingeing from their side then Twitter may treat them more generously.

At the end of the day, Twitter's main weakness is its lack of profitability. But cutting costs too much can lead to illegal activities and increasing revenue needs to be handled carefully as the Blue Tick debate demonstrates.

Ramrod 11-12-2022 21:54
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Musk has demonstrated and proved that most/all of those tweets are bots. I wonder who could be controlling that?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36141612)
Gone aggressively after child sexual absue content by reducing the team combating it to one...
erm, no. That's pretty much what it was when he took over.

Hugh 11-12-2022 22:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141632)
Musk has demonstrated and proved that most/all of those tweets are bots. I wonder who could be controlling that?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy View Post
Gone aggressively after child sexual absue content by reducing the team combating it to one...
erm, no. That's pretty much what it was when he took over.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersu...h=51004fd1131e

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Even as Elon Musk has said that removing child sexual exploitation content from Twitter was "Priority #1," the teams charged with monitoring for, and subsequently removing such content have been reduced considerably since the tech entrepreneur took control of the social media platform. Bloomberg reported last month that there are now fewer than 10 people whose job it is to track such content – down from 20 at the start of the year.
https://www.businessinsider.com/just...2-11?r=US&IR=T

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Only one Twitter employee is left on a team dedicated to removing child sexual abuse material across Japan and the Asia-Pacific region, Wired reported.

Twitter previously employed at least four employees focused on child safety in APAC, Wired found on LinkedIn. The employees were based in Singapore, Twitter's Asian headquarters, but publicly said three left Twitter in November.

ianch99 11-12-2022 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141632)
Musk has demonstrated and proved that most/all of those tweets are bots. I wonder who could be controlling that?
Total rubbish. "All the racist/homophobic/etc. tweets are bots" is so laughable, I am surprised you were able to type this .. or maybe it was a bot? :rolleyes:

Ramrod 12-12-2022 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141635)
Total rubbish.
I'm simply telling you the info that's coming out of twitter. What's your source?

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Fair enough, he probably has staffing issues in Asia. Nevertheless he's removed tens of thousands of pedo accounts and has stated his aim is to eradicate that kind of thing on twitter......which is a big improvement on whats been going on up till now.

1andrew1 12-12-2022 11:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141653)
I'm simply telling you the info that's coming out of twitter. What's your source?
If you could provide the links I'm sure Ian would be falling over himself to agree with you.

Damien 12-12-2022 11:46
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Elon Musk booed when brought on stage at a Chappelle concert: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885/...14514232938497

I don't know why he wants to lean into the celebrity thing.

1andrew1 12-12-2022 11:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141658)
Elon Musk booed when brought on stage at a Chappelle concert: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885/...14514232938497

I don't know why he wants to lean into the celebrity thing.
I think Musk bought Twitter for the same reasons that people at one time bought newspaper publishers - to demonstrate they're an important part of society.

Pierre 12-12-2022 12:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141660)
I think Musk bought Twitter for the same reasons that people at one time bought newspaper publishers - to demonstrate they're an important part of society.
His profile was already high, he didn't need to buy Twitter for that.

It's clear that Twitter was run by, shall we say, left leaning people, and that they summarily banned / shadow banned mainly right leaning people even though they were on the record for saying they didn't do that.

Twitter were also quite happy for hate speech and death threats against the likes of JK Rowling to go on, on a daily basis.

I think what Elon is doing is great, and the fact that he's upsetting lots of people (like Ian) whilst doing it, so much the better.

ianch99 12-12-2022 12:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141663)
His profile was already high, he didn't need to buy Twitter for that.

It's clear that Twitter was run by, shall we say, left leaning people, and that they summarily banned / shadow banned mainly right leaning people even though they were on the record for saying they didn't do that.

Twitter were also quite happy for hate speech and death threats against the likes of JK Rowling to go on, on a daily basis.

I think what Elon is doing is great, and the fact that he's upsetting lots of people (like Ian) whilst doing it, so much the better.
What a nice man you are :)

Here's a reality check for you:

Twitter admits bias in algorithm for rightwing politicians and news outlets

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Twitter has admitted it amplifies more tweets from rightwing politicians and news outlets than content from leftwing sources.

The social media platform examined tweets from elected officials in seven countries – the UK, US, Canada, France, Germany, Spain and Japan. It also studied whether political content from news organisations was amplified on Twitter, focusing primarily on US news sources such as Fox News, the New York Times and BuzzFeed.

The study compared Twitter’s “Home” timeline – the default way its 200 million users are served tweets, in which an algorithm tailors what users see – with the traditional chronological timeline where the most recent tweets are ranked first.

The research found that in six out of seven countries, apart from Germany, tweets from rightwing politicians received more amplification from the algorithm than those from the left; right-leaning news organisations were more amplified than those on the left; and generally politicians’ tweets were more amplified by an algorithmic timeline than by the chronological timeline.

1andrew1 12-12-2022 12:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141663)
His profile was already high, he didn't need to buy Twitter for that.

It's clear that Twitter was run by, shall we say, left leaning people, and that they summarily banned / shadow banned mainly right leaning people even though they were on the record for saying they didn't do that.

Twitter were also quite happy for hate speech and death threats against the likes of JK Rowling to go on, on a daily basis.

I think what Elon is doing is great, and the fact that he's upsetting lots of people (like Ian) whilst doing it, so much the better.
I think owning Twitter and being part of the media world heightens his profile and maintains his household name.

ianch99 12-12-2022 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141660)
I think Musk bought Twitter for the same reasons that people at one time bought newspaper publishers - to demonstrate they're an important part of society.

Nah, as Damien's post proves, he is just an egotistical narcissist. That's it. He'll get bored soon.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141658)
Elon Musk booed when brought on stage at a Chappelle concert: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885/...14514232938497

I don't know why he wants to lean into the celebrity thing.
This is funny, the account that posted about Elon's embarrassment has now been removed :)

1andrew1 12-12-2022 12:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141667)
Nah, as Damien's post proves, he is just an egotistical narcissist. That's it. He'll get bored soon.
I suspect we're saying broadly the same thing but with different words. ;)

Damien 12-12-2022 12:50
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Yeah, Twitter seems to have terminated the account.

ianch99 12-12-2022 13:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141670)
Yeah, Twitter seems to have terminated the account.
Yup, seems free speech only works the Elon way. Here's the video on YouTube if you're interested:

Ramrod 12-12-2022 13:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141665)
I haven't done a deep dive but a quick glance down the 27 pages of the paper produced a couple of concerns. Since the research methodology that led to groupings of Rt/Lt wing bias was somewhat subjective and the authors also admit that the didn't share their raw third party media bias data, I smell a rat.

Pierre 12-12-2022 14:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141665)
What a nice man you are :)

Here's a reality check for you:

Twitter admits bias in algorithm for rightwing politicians and news outlets
Very interesting, but not really relevant to what I posted.

1andrew1 12-12-2022 14:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141674)
I haven't done a deep dive but a quick glance down the 27 pages of the paper produced a couple of concerns. Since the research methodology that led to groupings of Rt/Lt wing bias was somewhat subjective and the authors also admit that the didn't share their raw third party media bias data, I smell a rat.
Bias is always going to be subjective.

Why do you not apply similar scepticism to Musk's pronouncements?

Ramrod 12-12-2022 14:59
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141676)
Bias is always going to be subjective.
lol, it's got no place in a research paper :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141655)
If you could provide the links I'm sure Ian would be falling over himself to agree with you.
All he has to do is read Musks twitter feed :)

ianch99 12-12-2022 15:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141677)
lol, it's got no place in a research paper :D

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All he has to do is read Musks twitter feed :)
I think you read the article wrong. The bias is in the algorithm, not the research paper. Let's face it, you would claim any research is fake news if it does not match your perspective so your point is moot.

I would welcome articles proving the alternate reality you seek ...

Hugh 12-12-2022 15:05
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https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/...conservatives/

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Fascinating New Study Suggests (Again) That Twitter Moderation Is Biased Against Misinformation, Not Conservatives

Social media companies are often accused of anti-conservative bias, particularly in terms of which users they suspend. Here, we evaluate this possibility empirically. We begin with a survey of 4,900 Americans, which showed strong bi-partisan support for social media companies taking actions against online misinformation. We then investigated potential political bias in suspension patterns and identified a set of 9,000 politically engaged Twitter users, half Democratic and half Republican, in October 2020, and followed them through the six months after the U.S. 2020 election.

During that period, while only 7.7% of the Democratic users were suspended, 35.6% of the Republican users were suspended. The Republican users, however, shared substantially more news from misinformation sites –as judged by either fact-checkers or politically balanced crowds –than the Democratic users. Critically, we found that users’ misinformation sharing was as predictive of suspension as was their political orientation. Thus, the observation that Republicans were more likely to be suspended than Democrats provides no support for the claim that Twitter showed political bias in its suspension practices. Instead, the observed asymmetry could be explained entirely by the tendency of Republicans to share more misinformation. While support for action against misinformation is bipartisan, the sharing of misinformation –at least at this historical moment –is heavily asymmetric across parties. As a result, our study shows that it is inappropriate to make inferences about political bias from asymmetries in suspension rates.

Ramrod 12-12-2022 15:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141681)
I think you read the article wrong.
I didn't read the article. I skimmed the actual paper.

Hugh 12-12-2022 16:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141658)
Elon Musk booed when brought on stage at a Chappelle concert: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885/...14514232938497

I don't know why he wants to lean into the celebrity thing.
Vox Populi Vox Dei… ;)

Mick 13-12-2022 14:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141658)
Elon Musk booed when brought on stage at a Chappelle concert: https://twitter.com/CleoPat48937885/...14514232938497

I don't know why he wants to lean into the celebrity thing.
He’s by default, already celebrity status, being the worlds richest man.

The following, isn’t in direct reply to you, Damien.

All these ill conceived notions that he is racist are utterly pathetic, it’s about these lefty folk needing to stop throwing up the race card, every single time you disagree with something Musk has done, for a start, he’s historically voted Democrat, he supported Obama, he’s the worlds worst racist, if he championed a black man to be president, FFS. :rolleyes:

Because the Dems have turned in to an extremist, woke entity, he’s shunned the Democrats and I do not blame him. He’s allowed to be who he wants to be, he’s allowed to run Twitter, how he chooses so long as it doesn’t break any laws, but these stupid attacks coming from the liberals, you need to look in the mirror, you’re the ones full of hate and division, you’re the ones, who can’t stand it when votes don’t go your way, the left ran Twitter for too long, and it went to your heads, banning folk you didn’t like, mainly conservatives, that is true fascism, you’re happy to see other side silenced, so you are the fascists, it happened, but no more.

But these fascist and racist homophobe accusations need to stop, because it’s utter bullshit.

Damien 13-12-2022 16:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141774)
He’s by default, already celebrity status, being the worlds richest man.
I know but he seems to want to reveal the actual celebrity part. Attending Hollywood events, going out with pop stars and doing walk-ons at comedy gigs.

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The following, isn’t in direct reply to you, Damien.
:tu:


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Because the Dems have turned in to an extremist, woke entity, he’s shunned the Democrats and I do not blame him. He’s allowed to be who he wants to be, he’s allowed to run Twitter, how he chooses so long as it doesn’t break any laws, but these stupid attacks coming from the liberals, you need to look in the mirror, you’re the ones full of hate and division, you’re the ones, who can’t stand it when votes don’t go your way, the left ran Twitter for too long, and it went to your heads, banning folk you didn’t like, mainly conservatives, that is true fascism, you’re happy to see other side silenced, so you are the fascists, it happened, but no more.
It's not just them though, is it? It's members of the right who couldn't stand when votes didn't go their way so stormed congress trying to overturn the results of an election and posing threats to elected politicians, it's a right-wing group who tried kidnapping the Democratic Governer of Michigan,, it's the right who are members of Q Anon and Pizzagate conspiracies. These were hateful people. All of this is more serious than banning people on Twitter.

It's just extremists and America breaking apart.

Incidentally, I still don't think it matters who's banned from Twitter. People on the right may have been banned, but now people who posted white nationalist content are back. It's legal in America and Musk can do what he wants besides that. I don't especially fancy seeing that content in my feed so I'll use it less. No great loss to Twitter or me. Same as when I stopped using Facebook as much.

What I would say to people who are angry that Twitter could ban people then do you want Government intervention now? If not, and Musk can do as he likes, then it also stands that the previous Twitter owners could do what they like as well?

Paul 13-12-2022 17:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141774)
He’s by default, already celebrity status, being the worlds richest man.
Not anymore it seems :)

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Elon Musk no longer world's richest man.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63963239

Damien 13-12-2022 17:56
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Wow, the Richest man in the world is now French! First the World Cup and now this.

Tesla has gone down 10% in a week. Ouch.

Hugh 13-12-2022 18:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141791)
Wow, the Richest man in the world is now French! First the World Cup and now this.

Tesla has gone down 10% in a week. Ouch.
Down 50% in the last year…

Pierre 13-12-2022 21:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141788)
I know but he seems to want to reveal the actual celebrity part. Attending Hollywood events, going out with pop stars and doing walk-ons at comedy gigs.



:tu:




It's not just them though, is it? It's members of the right who couldn't stand when votes didn't go their way so stormed congress trying to overturn the results of an election and posing threats to elected politicians, it's a right-wing group who tried kidnapping the Democratic Governer of Michigan,, it's the right who are members of Q Anon and Pizzagate conspiracies. These were hateful people. All of this is more serious than banning people on Twitter.

It's just extremists and America breaking apart.

Incidentally, I still don't think it matters who's banned from Twitter. People on the right may have been banned, but now people who posted white nationalist content are back. It's legal in America and Musk can do what he wants besides that. I don't especially fancy seeing that content in my feed so I'll use it less. No great loss to Twitter or me. Same as when I stopped using Facebook as much.

What I would say to people who are angry that Twitter could ban people then do you want Government intervention now? If not, and Musk can do as he likes, then it also stands that the previous Twitter owners could do what they like as well?
Well I’m, on Twitter every day, and I haven’t seen any increase in far right or white nationalist content in my feed. But the constant trans-ideology and vitriol against JK Rowling continues as normal.

The recent Twitter exposés, just prove that Twitter suppressed information at the behest of the FBI and the Incoming Biden administration. Twitter exec in charge of “misinformation” was a very left wing ideologue. Yoel Roth,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-context.html

The question is if Twitter was like this, what about Facebook & Google!

The reason why the machine is now going after Musk is because of what he’s sitting on.

This story is potentially massive, certainly in the public interest and two exposés have come out…….but………not even on the Sky news front page.

Two Elon Musk/ Twitter stories make it to the BBC, both negative to the current regime.

1) Musk no longer worlds richest man
2) charities dismay as Twitter disbands Safety group, although proven that this “safety group” was nothing of the sort.

The thing is anyone on the centre/ centre right, that might have batted away conspiracy ideologues in the past, may look at all this and start thinking differently.

ianch99 13-12-2022 22:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141774)
But these fascist and racist homophobe accusations need to stop, because it’s utter bullshit.
Where did anyone say he was a racist and homophobe?

1andrew1 14-12-2022 10:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36141801)
The thing is anyone on the centre/ centre right, that might have batted away conspiracy ideologues in the past, may look at all this and start thinking differently.
Not if they've done their homework. Let's look at what has happened. Twitter has released selective info on the treatment of some right wing people to some right wing journalists who have lapped it up. Effectively, he fed red meat to the lions. Surprise, surprise, they filled their boots!

If we want to know the full, accurate picture, we need a lot more information than Musk has given. We need to know the treatment of everyone, left, centre and right. And we need to know what actions resulted in their Tweets being muted.

Here's a good article on the situation:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63963779

TheDaddy 14-12-2022 16:15
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Apparently twitter has stopped paying rent now, musk told staff to renegotiate terms or just skip paying them which they're now doing , on top of that teslas third largest shareholder Kogeun Leo calls on teslas board to protect shareholders and warns them they'll be in breach of fiduciary duty if they don’t act

Hugh 14-12-2022 17:48
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1 Attachment(s)
This has appeared on Truth Social - I wonder if he will post something similar on Twitter?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1671040045

Paul 14-12-2022 18:41
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Hes going to retire :D

1andrew1 14-12-2022 22:07
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That free speech promise did not last too long!
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Twitter suspends account that monitors flight paths of Elon Musk’s private jet

Twitter has suspended an account that monitors the flight paths of a private jet owned by the social media giant’s new boss, Elon Musk.

The account was run by Jack Sweeney, a Florida college student and aviation enthusiast who created a Twitter bot to track the locations of private jets owned by Musk and other prominent figures including the Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos of Amazon and the billionaire entrepreneur Mark Cuban.

On 7 November, shortly after acquiring Twitter for $44bn, Musk tweeted: “My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.”
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ount-suspended

Ramrod 14-12-2022 22:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141880)
“My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk.”
Possibly, since he's now very concerned about his safety, he decided it was a safety risk...

Damien 14-12-2022 23:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36141883)
Possibly, since he's now very concerned about his safety, he decided it was a safety risk...
Flight data is publically trackable information. It's just him using his right to block/ban users, he did the same with the account that initially posted the video of the booing. It also appears at the moment he may have banned the personal account of the user who ran the flight tracking account.

He is perfectly entitled to do this. It's my point earlier that you're not promised by law to have a platform on Twitter. :shrug:

1andrew1 15-12-2022 09:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141885)
He is perfectly entitled to do this. It's my point earlier that you're not promised by law to have a platform on Twitter. :shrug:
It's an important point yet one which some have difficulty in grasping. "My house, my rules." Someone has to make these decisions and whatever you decide, someone won't be happy. If you incite violence and hatred or annoy Musk then don't expect to have a Twitter account for too long. It's not a human right.

Twitter can ban accounts, dial up and down the reach off Tweets and doesn't have to justify its actions to anyone else but its owners. The same applies to other social media platforms but if they are listed on stock exchanges, that gives more scrutiny to their financials and potentially other areas. Twitter is now a private company and won't have such scrutiny from Wall Street.

There's also probably an element of technology being ahead of legislation. I hope we can expect to see more transparency around decision-making but I'm not holding my breath. There is a cost to such things.

Mick 15-12-2022 12:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36141802)
Where did anyone say he was a racist and homophobe?
You inferred Ian, that he had allowed all these nasty vile accounts, racists, homophobes back on, because that is his kind of people. No he’s not.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141885)
Flight data is publically trackable information. It's just him using his right to block/ban users, he did the same with the account that initially posted the video of the booing. It also appears at the moment he may have banned the personal account of the user who ran the flight tracking account.

He is perfectly entitled to do this. It's my point earlier that you're not promised by law to have a platform on Twitter. :shrug:
Musk has explained, in a later post that his Son “X” was followed in a car by a stalker, thinking the car had Musk in, I think this has spooked him, I joined a Twitter space a few days ago, where he stated, he is on extra guard, no longer poses for pictures or signs autographs. He also said he isn’t feeling suicidal, referring to Epstein, in where there is a conspiracy that he did not kill himself.

1andrew1 15-12-2022 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141907)
You inferred Ian, that he had allowed all these nasty vile accounts, racists, homophobes back on, because that is his kind of people. No he’s not.
Musk has explained, in a later post that his Son “X” was followed in a car by a stalker, thinking the car had Musk in, I think this has spooked him, I joined a Twitter space a few days ago, where he stated, he is on extra guard, no longer poses for pictures or signs autographs. He also said he isn’t feeling suicidal, referring to Epstein, in where there is a conspiracy that he did not kill himself.
I've not tracked Musk's political views, but we learnt from Damien's post that Musk is permitting far right white nationalists onto the platform which the previous regime banned, extract below.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141788)
People on the right may have been banned, but now people who posted white nationalist content are back.

Mick 15-12-2022 12:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36141910)
I've not tracked Musk's political views, but we learnt from Damien's post that Musk is permitting far right white nationalists onto the platform which the previous regime banned, extract below.
I’ve tracked his political views, I’ve already said he had historically voted Democrat and supported former, U.S President Barack Obama, Clinton’s. Etc. but no longer because of the utter vileness from the left and wokeness.

But as Pierre pointed there is still the vile nasty lefties & woke idiots, who still hound JK Rowling because of her stance on protecting biological women & their rights which are being eroded by a few in the trans community.

Damien 15-12-2022 14:40
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141907)
Musk has explained, in a later post that his Son “X” was followed in a car by a stalker, thinking the car had Musk in, I think this has spooked him, I joined a Twitter space a few days ago, where he stated, he is on extra guard, no longer poses for pictures or signs autographs. He also said he isn’t feeling suicidal, referring to Epstein, in where there is a conspiracy that he did not kill himself.
That may be what he is saying but it doesn't change all this kid was doing was posting public information. He even said he wouldn't ban the account when he took over because he believes in free speech but clearly he changed his mind. It also doesn't explain why he banned the personal account of the Twitter user in question who hadn't broken any rules because - once again - he only posted public information.

He is also now taking legal action against the kid which I think is out of line. Banning him, fine, makes Musk a hypocrite but it's his platform and he makes the rules but one of the wealthiest men in the world going after a 20-year-old for posting flight tracking links is absurd.

Remember all he did was post from here: https://www.flightradar24.com/

Mick 15-12-2022 15:48
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141926)
That may be what he is saying but it doesn't change all this kid was doing was posting public information. He even said he wouldn't ban the account when he took over because he believes in free speech but clearly he changed his mind. It also doesn't explain why he banned the personal account of the Twitter user in question who hadn't broken any rules because - once again - he only posted public information.

He is also now taking legal action against the kid which I think is out of line. Banning him, fine, makes Musk a hypocrite but it's his platform and he makes the rules but one of the wealthiest men in the world going after a 20-year-old for posting flight tracking links is absurd.

Remember all he did was post from here: https://www.flightradar24.com/
Well, you have said yourself, he’s a allowed to change his mind, I think he’s had a scare and he’s decided to change the rules on posting stuff which can track people in real time, specific people.

Damien 15-12-2022 16:02
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141937)
Well, you have said yourself, he’s a allowed to change his mind, I think he’s had a scare and he’s decided to change the rules on posting stuff which can track people in real time, specific people.
Well, he is deciding the rules based on how it personally impacts him. Same as banning the account that originally posted the video of him being booed. The guy is moderating Twitter based on his fragile ego.

My point is that Elon Musk isn't any better than the other silicon valley tech bros that have taken over the industry in the last decade or so. Twitter, Uber, Facebook are all horrible companies for different reasons and then you have others than are outright crooks like Theranos and FTX.

Telsa I was quite excited by so it's a shame their leader is a bellend as well. I just have no idea why people celebrate these idiots and pick sides between one set of crappy Twitter owners and the new crappy Twitter owner.

Mick 15-12-2022 17:55
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141941)
Well, he is deciding the rules based on how it personally impacts him. Same as banning the account that originally posted the video of him being booed. The guy is moderating Twitter based on his fragile ego.

My point is that Elon Musk isn't any better than the other silicon valley tech bros that have taken over the industry in the last decade or so. Twitter, Uber, Facebook are all horrible companies for different reasons and then you have others than are outright crooks like Theranos and FTX.

Telsa I was quite excited by so it's a shame their leader is a bellend as well. I just have no idea why people celebrate these idiots and pick sides between one set of crappy Twitter owners and the new crappy Twitter owner.
New York Post is running with the story that Elon is retaliating against the kid, for posting a leaked Slack message he got from a Twitter employee…

https://nypost.com/2022/12/15/jet-tr...awsuit-threat/

Damien 16-12-2022 07:51
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Elon Musk has now suspended several tech reporters from the New York Times, CNN and Washington Post.

Hugh 16-12-2022 08:06
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Damien 16-12-2022 08:33
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Probably is worth creating Mastodon accounts and migrating what you can. He does seem to be going ever more nuts with each passing day.

1andrew1 16-12-2022 09:26
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141962)
New York Post is running with the story that Elon is retaliating against the kid, for posting a leaked Slack message he got from a Twitter employee…

https://nypost.com/2022/12/15/jet-tr...awsuit-threat/
I also noted from that article that the LA Police has no record of that incident with his son.

Maggy 16-12-2022 10:14
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141979)
Probably is worth creating Mastodon accounts and migrating what you can. He does seem to be going ever more nuts with each passing day.
I think he's a megalomaniac.He doesn't like his decisions being questioned.He thinks he's right no matter what and therefore won't enter into any discussion about his decisions.

Mick 16-12-2022 12:14
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36141979)
Probably is worth creating Mastodon accounts and migrating what you can. He does seem to be going ever more nuts with each passing day.
Oh wonderful idea, an echo chamber of lefties, no thank you. Who whinge on there, from dusk til dawn, about every little tiny thing that’s offended them. :rolleyes:

Each of the reporters that have been banned were said to have posted plane data of Musk, so in other words, they were trolling him. Serves them right.

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36141984)
I think he's a megalomaniac.He doesn't like his decisions being questioned.He thinks he's right no matter what and therefore won't enter into any discussion about his decisions.
Unbelievable, see my post above,

These Journalists are not real reporters, they are left wing shills in cohorts with the pathetic Democrat party.

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Elon Musk said in a Twitter Space last night….

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“There is not going to be any distinction in the future between journalists and regular people, everyone is going to be treated the same […] You’re not special because you’re a journalist, you’re just a citizen. So no special treatment: You dox, you get suspended, end of story.”

Hugh 16-12-2022 12:17
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That would be the Twitter Space he left when he was being questioned, then shut it down?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ed-journalists

Mick 16-12-2022 12:27
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That would be the Twitter Space he left when he was being questioned, then shut it down?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ed-journalists
He can do what he likes. Stop whinging.

Other stuff he said, via tweets.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1671193555

Mick 16-12-2022 12:58
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I’ve obtained video of him joining the Twitter space chat with journalists etc, that Hugh’s on about, he didn’t kill the space at all. They all carried on when he left.

https://twitter.com/ForeverEversley/...12770892918784

I don’t think he’s being unreasonable, being a journalist doesn’t grant you immunity to doxxing someone, especially if you’re trolling someone with their real-time location and that someone just happens to be the owner of Twitter.

Hugh 16-12-2022 13:40
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But they didn’t - they posted links in their stories to show the freely available info from the FAA website & Flightradar24 of where his plane was, not him.

Musk then posted pictures of someone he accused of following his car, and pictures of the cars number plate, and asked his followers to ID the person - that’s doxxing too. If that guy did what he’s accused of, it should have been reported to the Police.

Regarding the Twitter Space meeting, it continued briefly after he left, then it was shut down.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-m...over-elon-musk

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Notopoulos then began asking Musk another question, but was met by crickets. “Oh. I think Elon has left,” she remarked.

As a discussion ensued between the journalists after Musk’s departure, the stream suddenly disappeared. “Sorry it appears the Space cut out, screen went suddenly blank on my end and everyone got booted,” Notopoulos wrote. The recording was also unavailable.

Damien 16-12-2022 14:13
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36141998)
Oh wonderful idea, an echo chamber of lefties, no thank you. Who whinge on there, from dusk til dawn, about every little tiny thing that’s offended them. :rolleyes:
It's not that dramatic. I just am starting an account there in case a bunch of people migrate there.

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Each of the reporters that have been banned were said to have posted plane data of Musk, so in other words, they were trolling him. Serves them right.
No, a lot of them just reported and used the tag of the then-deleted elon plane account. They did not post the location of the plane.

And also for a free speech advocate 'trolling him' is a pathetic reason to ban them.



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These Journalists are not real reporters, they are left wing shills in cohorts with the pathetic Democrat party
Ok fine, ban them because they're left-wing reporters. But then let's stop this free speech nonsense or the outrage that the New York Post people got suspended.

The last few years have had so much drama about Twitter being a town square or whatever it was, people calling for congress to look into moderation decisions, that such a powerful social network shouldn't be moderated at the whims of Twitter's owners and then as soon as Elon Musk bans users those same people defend it. Such phoney outrage. It was never about free speech concerns, it was always just yet another chapter for very online people to bash each other within the neverending culture war. Who cares that Twitter banned some idiot before and who cares who Musk bans now.

jfman 16-12-2022 14:32
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Everyone knows there’s only one left leaning snake pit worth reading on t’internet.

Mick 16-12-2022 14:54
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36142012)
But they didn’t - they posted links in their stories to show the freely available info from the FAA website & Flightradar24 of where his plane was, not him.

Musk then posted pictures of someone he accused of following his car, and pictures of the cars number plate, and asked his followers to ID the person - that’s doxxing too. If that guy did what he’s accused of, it should have been reported to the Police.

Regarding the Twitter Space meeting, it continued briefly after he left, then it was shut down.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-m...over-elon-musk
Still whinging I see,

I did not see any of your condemnation when conservatives were being banned, left, right and centre, for nothing. Not nice is it?

Elon said in that space, that circumventing a ban on public information, to his whereabouts, & posting a link to said information, is still circumventing his rule on doxxing, he doesn’t want that information on Twitter, very reasonable request, it’s like here, if I was to ban any specific site from being posted, someone posted a tinyurl to the banned site, to hide the fact you’re circumventing my ruling and I would react accordingly.

Elon said one of the journalists posted a link to his address, that is not ok.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36142015)
It's not that dramatic. I just am starting an account there in case a bunch of people migrate there.



No, a lot of them just reported and used the tag of the then-deleted elon plane account. They did not post the location of the plane.

And also for a free speech advocate 'trolling him' is a pathetic reason to ban them.





Ok fine, ban them because they're left-wing reporters. But then let's stop this free speech nonsense or the outrage that the New York Post people got suspended.

The last few years have had so much drama about Twitter being a town square or whatever it was, people calling for congress to look into moderation decisions, that such a powerful social network shouldn't be moderated at the whims of Twitter's owners and then as soon as Elon Musk bans users those same people defend it. Such phoney outrage. It was never about free speech concerns, it was always just yet another chapter for very online people to bash each other within the neverending culture war. Who cares that Twitter banned some idiot before and who cares who Musk bans now.
Free speech doesn’t give the right to post personal and private details of individuals.

Damien 16-12-2022 15:02
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36142017)
Free speech doesn’t give the right to post personal and private details of individuals.
Is that why he suspended the account of the person who posted the video of Musk at the gig being booed? Because it revealed Musk was there?

I like the fact they're disrupting general links to Mastodon as well, pretty petty.


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