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That's the thing that always makes me laugh, "we need to be paid more to attract the best people", that must mean we're making do with less than the best now then and don't it show

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Yes I agree. If I’m certain of anything decision making by the average Brit isn’t worthy of representation at the ballot box.

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Thank God we don’t need the best nurses eh?

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:tu:

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This would go off topic but whilst it is a bit simplistic it's not totally unreachable. We as a society continue to produce more and more wealth so having people who work full time (a couple of part-time jobs I accept isn't the same) should have enough to have a decent standard of living.

Part of the problem is not just low-paying, insecure, work but the cost of housing as well though which is growing faster than average wage growth causing more and more of someone's income to taken up by it year on year.

You can't have an unelected, 'independent' panel, sanction who can stand for Parliament. It would completely subvert our democracy.

Although the nature of Parliament means it would in the end be accountable to Parliament the fact the panel gets to select who can stand for it would give huge power to that panel.

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Absolutely, the nice thing in the UK is that nearly anyone can stand and nearly anyone could win.


Voters need to pay better attention to those standing and not just vote on party lines (or tactically). If each constituency sent a "good" MP maybe the overall standard would go up.

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Unfortunately, not true (for the Major parties).

First you have to get selected to get on the (Party) Candidates List, then you have to be short-listed (and approved by Central Office and the Constituency), then you have to be selected by the Constituency, then, and only then, do the voters get a choice.

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Seems like we don't need the best of anything, except MPs

In other news a former tory advisor who is married to a sitting Conservative MP is is going to help choose the next chairman of ofcom and bozo has the brass neck to go on live TV and announce to the world that we are not a corrupt country, well the country might not be but the government certainly is

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Doesn't seem to worry the second chamber?

OK, in absence of a "panel" a set of basic rules.

i.e.

Minimum Age.
Must have worked for at least 10 years in a non-governmental role.
Must either live or have lived in the constituency they represent of a minimum period.
Definitely no second jobs.

just anything to improve the status quo.

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Yes not so much.

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I thought exactly the same, they're attempting to rig absolutely everything and they move at such a speed there isn't any opportunity for proper scrutiny or accountability.

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The MP for my mother’s area is Stephen Kinnock and this morning I had to drop off some documents from her to his office.

He wasnt there obviously so I handed them over to one of his assistants. I mentioned all this business about MPs having second/third jobs especially from companies that could benefit directly from that MP’s involvement, she just shrugged her shoulders and said “that’s politics for you”.

I’m not suggesting for one moment that Kinnock has an extra income or is up to anything improper but the impression I had from the assistant is that it’s virtually expected for MPs to be on the take.

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I think I read it's something like 1 in 4 Conservative MPs have a second job and just a handful amongst the other parties. So not a majority of MPs by any stretch of the imagination nor even a majority of Conservative MPs either.

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Maybe they aren't educated to a high enough standard to offer them a second high earning job, take Angela Rayner what could she do, toilet cleaner:shrug:

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Maximum age to get rid of the career politicians.

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Most likely because in general, Tory MPs are likely to have had private sector careers before entering the Commons whereas Labourites are more likely to have worked for a trade union or a role connected with the political process in some way. Consultancy type jobs are easier to keep going part time. Certain professional qualifications require continuing practice for the professional accreditation to continue.

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What age do you send them to the scrap heap?

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50. Same as the Department for Work and Pensions.

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You mean the house of Lords

I think something needs doing about that to, there's now 800 unelected lords making decisions on our behalf, all with their hand out, thought we voted against this sort of thing

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I actually found it an encouraging statistic. I don't think MPs should have a second job but happy for them to do CPD or if necessary, pro bono work, to retain their qualifications and institutional memberships.

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It costs £3,000,000 to get in , I'd have my hand out if i coughed up all that money to get in.

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Yes, it is a slippery slope, and a very tempting one. I spent a while as a consultant (not simultaneously as an MP mind you!) and the way pay is calculated as a day rate in which it is assumed you are your own employer and will be paying all your NI, sick pay, holiday pay, pension etc out of it makes it an extremely attractive way to work that few people in their right minds would give up easily or willingly. I didn’t; the financial crash of 2008 pulled the rug right out from under me. You can see why someone who possibly expects to serve only a couple of terms in Parliament (as many do) would want to keep their hand in, even if there isn’t a professional accreditation to maintain, but you can also see how that sort of money can prompt questions about conflicts of interest.

The idea about doing pro bono or CPD only is an intriguing one, but doesn’t entirely eliminate the whiff of corruption if that work gives a third party unfair access to or influence over government.

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Here are Kinnock's other sources of income as of 1st November: https://publications.parliament.uk/p...ck_stephen.htm

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The Danish Football Association ? How weird.

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Kinnock Jr. is married to the former prime minister of Denmark.

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Or to put it another way, Conservative politicians tend to be more employable.

It’s just the way it is! :scratch:

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I wouldn’t worry too much about that, Damien - this thread went off topic a way back now!

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Usually by family/old school/ University chums, or family of old school/University chums…

From Wiki about Johnson And as for the person whom the thread’s about (before you moan about "off topic" again).

Joins the company at 23, Sales Director by 27 - no nepotism there, I’m sure…

;)

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If we are going off topic I've been wondering where Boris was today because he didn't seem to appear at any Remembrance service.

Also I suspect that we are going to hear far more about other MPs poor choices around jobs and finances for some time to come.

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Oh, right, so an actual connection then. Makes more sense now. :tu:

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Looks like he was at Downing Street, according the 10 Downing Street Twitter account.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1636671560

The Cenotaph is a two minute walk from Downing Street.

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I checked his Twitter account but never saw that entry.Perhaps I wasn’t the only one asking the question

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H’mm. Still anti-Boris nonsense and still off-topic. And where are the mods?

I still want to know what CF members have got against giving MPs facing disciplinary action a right of appeal, as in just about any other walk of life.

I guess dredging up all this irrelevant stuff really does show this dramatic outrage for what it is - nothing but bumfluff.

Interestingly, MPs on both sides have been muttering about the inadequacies of the present system for some time, and now the Opposition is happily discussing with the government ways of dealing with this problem, including the right of appeal!

Still, they’ve claimed a Tory scalp and made the government squirm, so who cares, eh? :rolleyes:

That’s politics for you!

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Watching people make fools of themselves :)

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He’ll be there on Sunday - don’t panic

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Fixed that for you.

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Perhaps he figured that if he turned up on this occasion, all the media attention would be on him instead of the fallen.

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The absolute state of this.

A thread about corruption in the Conservative Party and OB is appealing to the mods that the party leader and Prime Minister are off topic.

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Presumably off topic?

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Not in Wokingham. ;)

If we think the thread is off topic we will step in. In the meantime perhaps reflect on how the Paterson affair might quite legitimately lead to a broader discussion of Johnson’s judgment skills.

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Interestingly, this has never been mentioned before they tried to put together a Conservative controlled Committee, just before another Standards investigation into Johnson’s conduct may be launched…

Probably pure coincidence (and if you believe that, ‘I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in buying…).

But seriously, can you provide any links showing there were these "mutterings" before the Patterson farrago took off?

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:tu:

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I'm starting to wonder if Starmer is paying you to defend lame duck Johnson, so that he limps on for as long as possible and increases Labour's chances of being elected. :confused:

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Why would Keir pay him, no one listens to him and that'll be Sir Starmer who Jezza blocked from taking a second job

Heard Geoff Cox is being investigated in a Neil Hamilton type probe, interesting times

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He also went to his constuency to lay a wreath.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1636749080

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It was on his FB page today as well - one assumes it took place today.

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Dream on , Andrew....:D:D:D

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Obviously having some effect on the polls…

https://www.britainelects.com/the-latest-polls/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1636756304

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You're starting to sound like a broken record.
... and why are you always posting in blue :confused:

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Remember when Marcus Rashford had the temerity to try and help hungry children and that classless piece of crap told him to stick to the day job, well guess who didn't heed her own advice, that's right, Natalie hypocrite Elphick

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Yes, she needs to stick to her main job and give up her side hustle of being an MP.

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So what's the actual difference?:rolleyes: The main complaint is that they shouldn't have the time to do other things, paid or UNPAID. Just because something is unpaid, doesn't mean they haven't gained from it(eg getting selecting as an MP in the first place).

So nobody had a problem with Labour's "cash for ANSWERS", with 6 or 7 figure sums handed over to buy laws and polices, and that's before you include Trade Union donations. How many prosecutions were there over the £650,000+ of ILLEGAL 3rd party donations? Take a wild guess. The list goes on and on.

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Douglas Ross is in trouble now for undeclared income, although to be fair he was probably just embarrassed he "only" trousered 28k, bozo calls 250k chicken feed, once he'd stopped laughing at Ross he'd probably call 28k loose change

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I can’t get my head round this one at all, seeing as the stuff he didn’t declare, everyone knew about anyway. Did he think that meant he didn’t need to? It’s not as if he can have thought it could be hidden. Very odd.

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Why does Johnson nearly always look like he’s been dressed in the dark by someone who is unsure how clothes work, and has just picked the clothes up from a pile on the floor?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1636818606

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Much like you can be an ass if you want to.

I asked you why, nothing about if you could or could not.

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It's part of his act, it's helped him get away with it for years, same as the scruffy hair except these days it's dual purpose is to hide his baldness

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Maybe he's just not a vainglorious type of person :devsmoke:

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Really, his ambition at school was to be king of the world, doesn't reek of vanity at all, reminds me of the James Cagney film, screaming look at me I'm king of the world as the building (country) burns around him

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Good point - he’s renowned for his humility, modesty, empathy, trustworthiness, and lack of arrogance…

:erm:

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I don't think the country is burning around him, but if you're one of those people that spends all day sniffing for smoke you'll obviously find something smoldering somewhere down a dark alley :D

. . known for his bad dressing and hair style too, so why is it news now? ;)

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If you think he's doing a good job or even an average one then you're the one who has been smoking and or sniffing something

Lalya Moran been found "at it" now, admittedly for a sum Geoff Cox wouldn't get out of bed for, I mean it's not like she rents her house out, has the tax payer pay the rent on another for him to live in and then not actually live in it coz he's off in the Virginia Islands trousering hundreds of thousands for telling them how to avoid tax

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Why should MPs be penalised because they bought a London home under previous rules. Are they expected to pay for both homes(constituency and London)?
They could just as easily have sold the London property, pocketing the profits, and end up having to rent somewhere anyway. So what's the difference? Remember MPs can end up having to be heavily based in London for decades, not for just a few months.

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Any solution won't be perfect but it's delusional to pretend the current situation can't be significantly improved.

Issues with the current situation do indeed include time and energy available to spend on their full time MP roles but importantly also include treason (working against the interests of the British government), lobbying and conflicts of interest.

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So how does that not effectively wipe out all Labour Party members?

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I don't really understand what you're saying. I'm not an expert on party membership as I've never been a member of any party but can't see how my suggestions wipe out Labour, Conservative or any other party members,

The current situation of MPs' second jobs is clearly flawed. How would you improve it?

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Trade Union donations pay for policies and for Labour MPs to lobby for them. IIRC They also pay the office expenses for some MPs and in at least one case for a particular person to be selected as a candidate.
At the very least there should be acknowledgement that being an MP is an unusual situation and environment that doesn't have any real comparisons.

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Anyone keeping count?

Tory MP with financial interests in a company that sells insurance to pay for care tried to change the law to help companies that sell insurance to pay for care.

MP with stake in giant health insurer lobbied for ‘Australian-style’ care insurance

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Move along now, plenty more room:

MP Marcus Fysh in hot water over FIVE undeclared businesses

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And another case of a conflict of interest today.
I don't have a subsription, but for those that do, see https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...ment-l6cmgtkfg
For the rest of us, see the Sky News photo here:
https://news.sky.com/story/wednesday...pages-12427754

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Keir Starmer faces sleaze row over 'using his Commons office for party political campaigning'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpaigning.html

Sleaze just keeps piling up upon sleaze

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I knew there were untrustworthy MPs in the House of Commons but not as many as this. So depressing. Maybe Peter Viggers was more than the tip of the iceberg.

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If the Opposition is so concerned about second jobs, when are they going to put forward proposals to stop the practice? Why did they not do it when in office?

This is all politicking designed to wrong-foot the Conservatives, but actually most of the public don’t care. At the election booths, most people make their decisions on the basis of which party is most likely to benefit them and which party is going to achieve the best solutions for the problems in the country and for the economy.

Labour would do well to start shaping its own proposals for levelling up the country to win back the red wall seats they lost last time. Fat chance. Labour MPs come out with stuff like ‘What does levelling up even mean?”

Well the red wall constituents know. Labour would do well to read up on it and to understand what those people want.

The current Westminster hysteria about second jobs is nothing but hot air and it’s totally irrelevant to most people. If the Opposition really wanted to tackle it and stop the practice, they should cease ‘outing’ Conservative MPs and come up with a solution, before MPs on their own side are caught out. The MP with the largest number of outside commitments was Labour’s David Lammy, with 24 entries. What goes around comes around.

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Hugh posted some opinion polls showing support increasing for Labour and decreasing for the Conservatives so it looks like it's starting to cut through. It's the Gvernment's place to enact legislation, not the Opposition's and no Opposition is going to do the government's work for them.

I must admit, I would quite like to know what levelling-up means too but don't want to go off-topic. Conservative MPs would like to know too. I suspect it's probably akin to Theresa May's definition of Brexit at the moment.

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Classic whataboutery.

A sizeable proportion of the public do care, and as you well know elections are won in lost in the marginal constituencies. If enough people care about Tory corruption that’s could be enough for many Tory MPs to get their P45.

From the man who called Boris Johnson off topic. :D

I’m not sure the Daily Mail or Daily Express count as the Opposition. Often it’s a matter of public record who is trousering thousands to represent corporate interests against the interests of the electorate at large. It needs no input from the Labour Party or anyone else.

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You don't want to be putting too much faith in those polls Andrew . . . most of them said that Brexit wouldn't happen ;)

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The opinion polls are up and down all the time, but elections make people think more about what they are doing. This current Westminster episode will be as good as forgotten by then anyway.

The Opposition has the opportunity of putting forward legislation for consideration in the Commons if they wanted to, Andrew, so they don’t simply have a passive role.

As for ‘levelling up’, I am surprised that anyone should not know what that means on either side of the House.

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What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, jfman.

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Proof if ever it were required that you’ve no sincere intention of engaging with the debate other than to defend the Conservatives at all costs to your waning credibility.

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Why would an Opposition Party spend their energy doing the Government's work for them? Labour is not in coalition with the Conservatives.

I'm afraid wishing these case studies of corruption away won't do it for the electorate and a lot of the press. Something needs to change and Johnson needs to swiftly make sure it's the legislation and not the occupier of No. 10 that changes.

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Waning is generous, of course that's further evidenced by claiming it's hysteria about second jobs, conveniently ignoring that the real issue is second jobs that go against the direct interests of their constituents

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Behave, jfman, for goodness sake. I have engaged with the debate, but that doesn’t mean that I have to give succour to the left wing point of view being expressed on this forum.

You pay attention to your own credibility (you need to) and let me worry about mine.

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If Labour felt that strongly about second jobs, that is exactly what they would do, if nothing else, to embarrass the government. They won’t do it, of course, because second jobs are also performed by their own MPs.

I cannot see people agonising about this is three months’ time, let alone three years.

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Whataboutism will not get the current crop of Tory MPs off the hook if they have been found guilty of having their hands on the proverbial cookie jar.

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As I said, wishful thinking won't make this go away, Old Boy. If you were the leader of the opposition, your number one aim is to get into power. Doing the Government's homework for it is not top of your to-do list.

You need to grab a coffee with Seph at Waitrose and he'll get you up to speed. ;)

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I've been thinking about him to and would love to see the next person caught fiddling the dole just say they forgot to declare like the MPs and see what happens to them, still at least they can appeal their prison sentence

The latest being Rees Smug for not declaring his Cayman Islands loans

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What's the old military saying, when your enemy is making a mistake, don't stop them

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If they have done wrong, they must be punished. Boris Johnson said so very clearly this evening.

The problem with the current dialogue being pushed is that no-one apart from Owen Paterson has been found to have done anything wrong.

As to whether the rules should be changed, I guess this depends on the will of parliamentarians to change the arrangements.

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If they put forward a proposal to ban second jobs, they would get more respect from the public that they actually tried to change it instead of simply whingeing about the practice to score political points.

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Rees Mogg doesn’t own a company that doesn’t own a company that does own a company that makes money in Cayman. He doesn’t get paid by the company he doesn’t own but his wife who doesn‘t own the company works for it and gets wages. He doesn’t get paid by this company but owns 100% of the shares, and gets directors loans of £6,000,000, which he paid total interest of 0.8% (£48k in total) over 3 years, but this isn’t any form of remuneration, just "Directors Loans"…

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

So are you excusing Rees Mogg for not breaking any rules?

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Your posts on this matter are ever increasingly delusional if you sincerely believe it’s only “left wing” members of despairing at the Conservatives handling of this grubby affair.

The faulty crystal ball is back out I see.

Johnson’s Premiership is now fatally wounded. There will need to be a line drawn under it before the next election campaign.

Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
 

Please can you provide a summary, for the benefit of those of us not in The House?

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Your Conservative-tinted spectacles also appear to include a <sarcasm> bypass filter…

He doesn’t get ‘renumerated’, but gets very very low interest loans for seven figure sums, and his wife gets paid for being the Secretary of a Holding Company, which I am sure doesn’t go into a joint account*

*you might wish to remove your specs for this one… ;)

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I am fully aware that some anti-Boris Conservatives are on the same side as Labour on this subject. They, too, tend to be on the left of the Conservative Party. They’ll get over it.

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You wish!

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I asked you a question (hence the question mark). Has he broken any rules?

Feel free to ignore this question with the usual diversionary tactics if you can’t possibly comment. I’ll understand.

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Anti-Boris Conservatives. :D

The divisive rhetoric of modern politics has gone for the Old Boy here.

I would wager that Johnson won’t lead the party into the next election in 2024.

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Can we quote you on that?

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Of course, OB. Unlike others I don’t move the goalposts with increasing regularity nor shirk from being held against the statements I make.

He’s toast.