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Meh, the ambassador thing is showboating and dead catting - appeal to the base, look tough in facing down Johnny Foreigner and quietly accord Vienna Convention rights a while later. Donald Trump did the same in 2019

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What he said.

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Someone said earlier that the government unveiled 23 million in aid to UK fishermen today, I don't remember that being part of the deal, taxpayers propping them up

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We have a cunning plan...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1611481593

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That’s the same “clever ploy” the banks have all been implementing since the ballots were counted. As long as you have a subsidiary registered in an EU State you avoid most of the red tape. The reality however is that actually doing that is itself an excessive burden for many businesses.

The primary opportunity here is in the fact that small EU businesses now face the same barriers to trading here. It should be easier for British businesses to sell here without competition from EU ones. And, especially where what’s being sold is cheap Chinese tat that’s already sailed halfway round the world, it’s better for the environment if it’s warehoused and sold within the UK rather than being held somewhere outside Rotterdam or Frankfurt and then sent over here on fleets of HGVs.

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So why couldn’t they do this before (British businesses warehousing the Chinese goods in the U.K.)?

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They could. But with any low-value, high volume business it is difficult to start and vulnerable to competition - especially if the competition is coming from parts of Europe where the cost of doing business, especially wages, is so much lower that no British business could compete effectively. These are precisely the reasons why it is the norm in international trade for there to be tariffs and quotas. They protect your domestic businesses from competition that is structurally impossible for them to respond to.

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Isn't the bigger opportunity now for EU companies to sell in a market of 448m people without the competition from UK companies and to seize those orders from UK companies who do not find it economic to trade in the EU now? And I'm not sure doubling up on warehousing in the UK and EU is traditionally seen as a benefit to the environment.

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But is it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55786974

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The setting up of EU hub/subsidiaries etc was mooted immediately after the vote, all the big players will have done it. A lawyer friend of mine said his firm did it immediately.

I’m pretty sure any firm that took legal advice after the vote and until year end will have been told the same.

It’s been four and a half years, nobody should have been caught off guard.

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It's been four and a half years since December 30th 2020?

Time has flown...

Nobody really knew what was required until a deal was agreed (and even now we are still finding out things) - large companies can afford to mitigate possibilities by investing in options to reduce the possible risks that may happen.

Small/medium companies who are already suffering due to COVID couldn't afford to spend large amounts setting up companies/premises/staffing that they might not need.

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This.

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:gpoint:

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This entrepreneurial spirit stuff doesn't sound all that to me.

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Did you mean Dec 31st ?
Of course, no one knew the date in advance at all, it was a complete surprise to everyone when we suddenly left. :erm:

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Only if Point = Remainer. :rolleyes:

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It's undeniable fact that some of these processes were only clearly defined once we had a deal. I don't see what voting remain or leave had to do with it.

Surely we should be supporting these businesses to find solutions rather than rehashing 2016?

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Come on Hugh, you’re smarter than this.

After the referendum result, everybody should have been planning for a no deal Brexit and taking advice on what they would have to do to continue trading in that scenario.

Any deal or arrangement post would be great.

From what I’ve picked up from you and your career, you’ve worked at big companies and managed big projects. Would the companies you have worked for sat with their thumbs up their bottoms for 4.5 years? And suddenly plead ignorance on Jan 1st?

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Why should a business (all businesses) make unnecessary preparations (and incur costs) because the Government would rather work to an arbitrary deadline? An alternative provide them assurance of a short transition period where they ould offer clear instructions and work with them to design processes.

The Government also published a deal - May's deal - that was official Government policy.

Surely all this entrepreneurial spirit shouldn't be wasted on nugatory administrative processes for circumstances that could be in the control of Government but who choose not to take that opportunity?

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What ‘arbitrary’ deadline would that be?

It was written in EU legislation that there would be a 2 yr transition period into whatever scenario we transitioned into. That was extended several times. Until we reached an exit agreement.

We then had an exit agreement that had a 1 yr period that expired on 31st Dec 2020.

Nothing arbitrary about any of it.

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That's literally an arbitrary deadline. It's not done for anyone's benefit. Those are just numbers plucked out the air.

You're also ignoring the option to extend the transition period. It could easily have been drawn up into and agreement to have an interim period (say 3 months) to allow businesses to prepare, familiarise themselves with paperwork, processes etc.

You can't in some thread seriously argue that businesses should be given every chance to survive by easing lockdown and then on the other that they should, at short notice, be given additional burdens after numerous, contradictory, positions by Government policies in the preceding four years.

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I, literally, just asked in another thread if you had recently learnt what arbitrary meant.......obviously not.

You missed out then entrepreneurial and agile bits, that you laughed at. Also not short notice, which is the point.

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Everything from starting the A50 process and every extension, decision to not extend, simply created deadlines that weren't in our interest. They only existed because that's how the process was designed when it was only a hypothetical idea that anyone would ever leave the EU.

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It was short notice to implement the deal. You are arguing that business should have prepared for every possible outcome which no business would find credible.

If Government wants business to make a success of Brexit it's not unreasonable to expect them to assist in doing so.

We all want Brexit to be a success, do we not?

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Everyone knew they had “at least” 2 years to prepare for the worst case scenario. They had 3, they then had another year after that.

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To answer that question truthfully, no, the misery gutted brothers, Mr K and 1andrew1, don't, hell, they said it would fail before we even had the vote, then we had 4.5 years of their vitriol and they're still, even today, still trying to add chapters. :zzz:

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Yet the worst case scenario was never Government policy. Two different deals were.

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Well I'm not on that list.

I didn't vote for it and I did think "the Establishment" would overturn it and they did certainly try.

However it's done. Making it work is more important than raking over old disagreements (in my view) but I don't find it credible to argue as some have that all businesses should have prepared for all outcomes.

There's a responsibility on Government here to support businesses - if it's to succeed it's on the backs of these businesses simultaneously retaining as much trade with the EU (the importance of tariff free trade after all) and grow trade with the rest of the world. If non-tariff barriers hit business that hits the chances of success of Brexit. That hits us all.

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Hey a brother I didn't know about, that's nice ! :D

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Any responsible business owner or person, always plans for the “ worst cast scenario”. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

I didn’t make that up, it been around for a long time.

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And a responsible Government?

Certainly global pandemic seems to have got missed off the list for many despite "preparing for the worst" otherwise they'd have cash reserves to see them through. :confused:

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Well done, a reply totally irrelevant to the post it’s replying to.

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Appreciated, Mick. I reminded Mr K he was my brother when I asked him to lend me a monkey the other day but he denied it and called it an anti-fact! :D

Mr K, can we now discuss that loan again, the money will be staying in the family and once Brexit is working properly and we've reached the sunny uplands, I'll pay it all back. :D

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It wasn't four and a half years at all, companies were phoning for advice only to be told to phone back once we knew if there was a deal or not, to try and blame businesses is completely unfair and lets those responsible of the hook imo, they should have called no deal earlier or got an extension, getting a deal so close to deadline caused these problems not businesses

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The Brexit dividends continue.
https://www.ft.com/content/39f553a0-...e-0b9fd75554b0

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So a £100 transaction attracts £1.50 in fees where previously it was 30p. Sorry but the financial system does actually cost money to operate, inconvenient as that might be, and international transactions cost more. The EU has had a good go at making laws trying to paper over the fact that these were international transactions but in this case those laws are only 5 years old. I’m not going to lose sleep over £1.20. I’d spend more time thinking about whether to spend the £100 in the first place.

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Not every person or business is as fortunate as you as to not worry about covering increased costs.

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No one ever plans for "worst case scenarios" - we planned for the loss of one site out of three geographically diverse sites, we never planned for losing two or three, because the implication was that the country had been nuked or bio/chem attacks had crippled the country, so no one would really be that fussed about education or financial lending in that scenario.

We are talking about small to medium businesses here - after the Brexit Referendum, everyone (inc. businesses) were told that a deal would be reached; it’s only in the last year or so that things "heated up" and the likelihood of "no deal" became apparent; this is at the same time as COVID hit, so no, most of the people I know who run small businesses (employing under a hundred people) had contingency plans in place for a No Deal Brexit, because they didn’t know what the impact of that would be.

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A business paying excessive costs to cover “worst case scenarios” loses business to the one down the road who isn’t paying out unnecessary costs and strips down what is needed to reduce costs/increase profits. That’s the profit seeking motive and entrepreneurial spirit in a nutshell.

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I don’t think it’s about the individual £1.50 - can probably find it down the back of the sofa.

It’s about the inefficiencies this creates across the whole economy as it aggregates over all transactions. This is money being extracted from UK customers they not don’t have to spend elsewhere.

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Yeah, business continuity is a great of scary subject! There's a good reason why the company I work for has its manufacturing in relatively safe countries in terms of political and environmental safety. It's expensive but worth it ad it gets you a nice ISO 22301 certificate. Even then, companies can get caught out. We had a major crisis when a critical raw material went off line as it was made in a factory in Fukoshima, Japan a while back.

My company was lucky in a sense as we mainly import goods as we only have a small amount of manufacturing in the UK but our central warehouse is in the EU. However, we have a centralised customer service team which includes people who serve non-EU/EEA countries (Russia, Israel, middle east etc.) People working in that 'export' team were able to train up the UK customer service team and we have grown the UK team by 30% to handle the extra work. The costing was £450k to set everything up with an ongoing £150k per year

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Best not to buy from the EU, then. Their loss.

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As ever a laughably simplistic analysis from OB that demonstrates entrepreneurial spirit that he speaks of is simply a punchline in posts he presumably takes entertainment value from.

Someone who did have any understanding of entrepreneurial spirit would know that not every item, of the same quality, is available either in the UK or from elsewhere at the same (or lower) costs, or without tariffs or other increased costs from the rest of the world. Indeed, if this was possible people oozing this mythical entrepreneurial spirit would already be doing so and not reliant upon items from the EU.

Either way these increased costs represent waste and a higher cost to end users.

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Oh, dear, the EU is looking on embarrassed by the fact that Brexit Britain is streets ahead with the procurement and distribution of the Covid vaccine.

This is the first example of how a newly freed Britain, quick and nimble on its feet, can cut the bureaucracy and actually deliver.

I am sure that EU apologists would have preferred to have overlooked this development, but there will be many more examples down the line on why it was a good move to escape the clutches of the bureaucratic EU.

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You plan for "reasonable worst case scenario" of the perceived situation , obviously because as you say a worst case scenario could be anything...... from the planet being hit by a comet, to a nuclear attack from North Korea.

We haven't got a "no deal Brexit" but it was absolutely clear from the start the our relationship with the EU was going to change - it was either going to change a lot or a little but it was going to change.

This is a fair point and the correct thing to do would have been to agree a much longer transition period after the deal was to agreed so that both sides could ensure that they could complete all the necessary paperwork and regulations.

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or The business that investigates the outcomes of potential scenarios and mitigates against them continues to trade where the one down the road that saved money and didn't can't trade and goes out of business. Smart entrepreneurial spirit in a nutshell.

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Only if the business that spends excessive amounts planning against Government policy on mitigation doesn't go out of business first.

Rational capitalism strips off unnecessary costs wherever it can.

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Thanks for posting my link in this thread Sephiroth.

Wondered which thread to post it in. It does go to show how closely our leaving the EU is tied into their stance on their trying to control the corona vaccines supplies.

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Nothing has actually happened, so how can the EU that it has led to anything?:confused: These "serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties" have to be actually occurring right now and before, for them to be able to invoke this.


When did any of that happen?

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There will be economic bumps in the road to be certain, and every time there is there will be a Remainer popping up from behind the hedge saying “I told you so”.

What this current situation has shown is that there is benefit for being an agile Sovereign nation that can work quickly in the best interests of itself and not have to worry about the needs and wants of 20odd other countries and to be able to do things directly yourself instead of ceding power to a bunch of bureaucrats.

It has also shown that the unelected bureaucracy have no problem in ignoring sovereignty of its members by imposing a hard border on one its member states with out even the courtesy of speaking to that nations leader.

If they do it once they can do it again over lots of things.

They’ve also shown, in the face of a crisis that they have very little political skill or finesse, and all they can do is throw, ineffectively, their weight around, stamp their feet, threaten etc.

All in all it’s been a very bad few days for the EU, and it has been on show for all.

Unsurprisingly, little has been made of it on the usual mainstream media outlets.

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The last 2 posts by Seph and Pierre say everything that I wanted to. So thank you guys. :tu:

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Really? It was the main news item yesterday on BBC, Channel 4 and led almost all the newspapers this morning.

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Agreed, fake news that it wasn't. It's all over the mainstream media as you might expect - the two biggest stories of the past year - Covid 19 and Brexit - dovetailed into one story.

Today's newspapers continue the theme https://news.sky.com/story/sundays-n...pages-12203961

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Fake news? What are you on about?

When I posted that, yesterday, on the Sky website and BBC website it was not the leading story, yes it was being talked about but nothing was being made about the seriousness of what the EU did, indeed Tony Blair was on tv just this morning glossing over it.

The EU have shown their true selves, at the first drop of a hat. Imagine some future emergency/issue the EU have shown they would blockade the U.K. and divide Ireland without consulting anyone, not even The Rep of Ireland as their first, not last, resort.

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It was the front page of The Guardian, The Times, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Mirror and the Daily Mail as well as the lead story on Channel 4 News and BBC News at Ten on Friday evening.

The EU behaved terribly and almost everyone is angry at them but I don't understand the argument that the media weren't talking about it. The EU blocking vaccine thing has been a story for days but as soon as they did the block on Friday it was a huge story that was the No 1 focus even on pro-European publications.

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Damien is right Pierre, they even wheeled out Blair today, to have him dis the EU.

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I am glad to be out the EU. but born and brought up in Scotland ,I do not want to leave the United Kingdom. My worst nightmare would be Independence for Scotland. S N P are ruining Scotland and the sooner they are out the better. They are a cult that i do not want.

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You just need to convince the majority of Scottish voters. :)

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It beggars belief that unionist politicians have not highlighted the fact that separation from the UK will cripple their bank balance.

I really don’t know how likely it is that the EU would welcome Scotland with open arms. The EU have just lost one of their net contributors. If Scotland were to re-join on their own, they would be a drain on an EU budget already under strain.

The vaccination fiasco is likely to have served as a wake-up call to EU countries, and this could lead to a serious campaign either to leave the bloc or to reform it. So Scotland might find itself going in the wrong direction if an exodus does take place.

Personally, I think the EU will simply implode. Thank God we are out.

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What makes you think they haven’t? The 2014 campaign dealt with it extensively and the topic comes up annually when GERS (Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland) is published - this routinely lays bare the massive deficit between Scottish tax income and expenditure. Believe it or not, in the absence of a comprehensive political campaign (I.e. another referendum) people responding to opinion pollsters aren’t giving a complete, measured response to the leave/remain question. They’re telling you how they feel, based on whatever factors are to the fore.

There has been some evidence this week that Germany in particular is out for revenge over Brexit. It’s hard to make logical sense, otherwise, of their inept attempts to smear the AstraZeneca vaccine first in one of their more compliant newspapers and then through their “independent” medicines regulator who has somehow come to a different conclusion to every other independent expert in the world who has been asked to certify it. Be in no doubt that whatever ambivalence there might be elsewhere about Scotland’s membership of the EU, it will have a friend in Berlin, which feels very strongly that there’s unfinished business to be done with London.

The SNP does of course have form when it comes to trying to use Germany to help it get one over the British government.

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I did say that in my post this morning. He didn’t really dis them though did he?

I watched his interview on Sky.

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Seem to remember being told repeatedly brexit was a feeling and people didn t care if they ended up poorer to achieve it, for me the real brexit dividend would be Scotland leaving the union and would have made the whole process worthwhile

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Thing is if we all keep 'exiting', we'll end up like San Marino, but with less influence. United we win, divided we fall, whether its the EU or the UK.

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Brexit was a win, as the vaccine fiasco proves. However, separation for Scotland would not be sensible at all. There are simply no advantages unless spite is seen as an advantage.

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We could have run our own vaccines programme as an EU member. It was not compulsory to be a part of the EU one.

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It would have been politically very difficult and given that David Cameron would probably still be the PM, I’d say also very unlikely.

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We do need to get this sorted out. It's been a month.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...mic-disruption

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Really hard to hypothesise who the PM would be in 2020 if the referendum had gone the other way. It could even have been BoJo.

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How much of the delays were Covid related? There is also a general HGV driver shortage.

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Have a read of the article and decide for yourself.

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There is a Europe-wide lorry driver shortage. That is going to have an impact, whatever else is going on.

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I know that we had the choice. We picked the right one, and it has shown up the EU to be the slow, inefficient monster it is.

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They do need to sort a few things out though like the one cheese maker reporting that every export to the EU needs it's own vet cert. His £20 cheese boxes each need a £180 certificate.
And the various tax bodies need to work something out especially for small traders.

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We absolutely did the right thing on vaccines. But to use one optional procurement project as a business case for not retaining closer ties to our major market and to replace it with lots of red tape, costs bureaucracy and other deterrents to trade is interesting, to say the least. ;)

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That's what being a third country looks like, despite the promises of David Davis to the contrary. It's inevitable we will develop closer ties with the EU and I'm grateful we got a trade agreement which provides the means to achieve this.

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On the contrary, the vaccine debacle has shown up the European Commission for the dictatorial, inept organ that it is. This is not a new thing - it’s just our first major experience of seeing it the way most of the world sees it. Previously we would sit in our corner and moan about its pettifogging bureaucracy and its political tin ear, and all the while our national reputation and economic power was propping it up and adding to its legitimacy.

The European Union is diminished by our departure, and a good thing too. No longer will the world perceive us to be a part of that shower.

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But we didn't have to be part of the Commissions vaccine program even if we were part of the EU - that was each nations choice (see Hungary bringing the Sputnik vaccine in)

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It came on my phone this morning that Macron is facing a loss in wine exports.

25% of French wine ends p in the UK, but Brits have been dumping EU stuff and buying wine from Australia, Chile etc.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...pdate-video-vn

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Actually Hungary is part of the vaccine programme. The programme allows member states to contract with drug companies the commission is not dealing with, and it allows them also to place supplementary orders with companies the commission is dealing with, though those orders may not be fulfilled until after orders placed through the programme have been. The European Commission has not been negotiating to acquire any Russian vaccine.

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And, to repeat the point I made yesterday, if we were in the EU it would have been politically very difficult to have remained outside its procurement scheme.

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I don't like Australian wine, US is worse. Chile do make some nice stuff, for whites New Zealand. Trouble is too many new world wines are over extracted so get a slight bitter taste and really nice old world wines are expensive.

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Whilst an EU member, the UK remained outside the Euro and Schengen zone so I'm sure we would have been just fine remaining outside the vaccination procurement as well.

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You’re not comparing apples with apples. The currency and the border-free travel area were both contrary to long-standing British policy, favoured by Labour and Tory governments alike. The vaccine procurement programme is a one-off response to a crisis being endured equally by all member states. As a member of the EU it would have been politically very difficult not to be seen to be playing our part, not least because while we were members it was British policy to always try to position ourselves as showing leadership (with limited success I might add).

Ireland is outside Schengen but inside the vaccine procurement scheme.
Sweden and Denmark* are outside the Euro but inside the vaccine procurement scheme.

*Via negotiated exemption - Bulgaria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Romania are committed to eventually joining.

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Reality is, we'll just never know. Given a close result in favour of Remain, the Prime Minister of the day could well have seen a benefit in appealing to the Eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party and to the UKIP supporters by pursuing our own path on vaccines.

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Not really - I merely provided a possible scenario.

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Do other non-EU countries have the same issues?

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You can be very sure that in that scenario, the EU would've done a power grab, again. Eg Working Time Directive, and taking control of fishing in EEC/EU waters just prior to the UK(along with other major coastal states) joining.

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Italian wine is good but then Australian wine is also very good. Chilean or Argentine wine can be excellent as well. Otherwise you also have Portuguese wine which is good, or French, or Spanish. Not to mention I had a good Turkish wine a few months ago. Really something to be said for wine in general really.

Apart from white wine - dreadful.

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The "25%" figure in that article is from one shop in Calais....

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As in most cases, you get what you pay for...

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We didn't buy French wine anyway. It's absurdly over-priced for what it is.

Much prefer a good Australian Chardonnay. Also Chile, Argentina, California and South Africa all make good value wines. Without EU tariffs on these imports expect the value to become even better.

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I ordered some Portuguese wine last week and it's taking ages to arrive. Not to do with the EU - U.K Store.

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That is not in dispute. What Brexit supporters are saying is that this shows for the world to see that the EU is the bureaucratic, slow, monolithic organisation that Brexiteers have been saying it is.

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Will be interesting to see how the government acts.
Fashion Round Table's open letter: https://www.fashionroundtable.co.uk/...-to-government
FT: https://www.ft.com/content/9275f5e1-...5-5767f5e748d5

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It really wont be that interesting. :sleep:

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Imagine how much more nimble we will be though...

Oh yes I was being spiteful 14 years ago in preparation for brexit :rolleyes:

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Has the fashion industry never exported goods outside the EU before? Every country requires papers. Exporting from outside the EU into the EU is no different.