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Utter rubbish. Yet more examples of you not being well informed.

It’s not just presidential elections in November. There are Congressional and Senate races in play too. Trump could still win, and frankly given the forgetfulness of sleepy creepy Joe Biden, I think Trump will win, but he could still lose the Senate so his pick won’t get Senate confirmation.

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You would think the best scenario is the nominee isn't confirmed before the election as a way to drive turn out. Trump can say 'vote for me and you'll get another right-wing justice, abortion might go'.

Obviously even if that goes wrong and the Democrats take both the Senate and the White House they'll just confirm the justice in the lame duck session.

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Agreed.

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You are underestimating Donald Trump's prospects of success against a near-dementia-afflcted John Biden.

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Mitt Romney has said he is up for Nominee confirmation before election which means the Republicans have 50 (+1 with Mike Pence's vote) votes vs Democratic 48.

Republican Senator and leader of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Lindsay Graham, has said because of the pathetic Democrat shenanigans during the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings, he had said in a statement that he could allow the nominee to go straight to confirmation hearings. Normally a nominee goes before Senate Judiciary hearings before the vote for confirmation.

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At least he can say his own name...

(Prump...).

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I’ve said it earlier. From what I’ve seen Biden is not mentally there. I don’t see how he gets past the presidential debates.

It’s going to be very interesting as i can’t see the Democrats letting him go up up Against Trump.

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Can you give a link or two about Biden's mentally not being there?

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I'm sure Biden's presentations have not all been flawless but interesting to see non-Trump view.

https://theconversation.com/faked-vi...-health-145975

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...456#blogHeader

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Now how about some links about Trumps state of mind and acuity levels? Just for balance.

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Is your browser broken.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=71049289

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-us...-idUKKBN1XR0B8

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...-twitter-visit
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...19-2?r=US&IR=T

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That is what many have said but it works the other way too. The democrats can say "vote for us and we won't kill Roe V Wade". If Trump puts an appointment on he demoralised the democrats and has an ally if the election is contested.

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True but the Democrats are pretty motivated anyway.

As for Row vs Wade, I was reading the other way about how pro-choice activists have long suspected its time would come and have been preparing alternative campaigns including funding programs to get people in blue states in which the overturning of Row Vs Wade would not override the state's rights to allow abortion.

But with Row vs Wade gone then I don't think there is anything stopping Trump and the Republicans going for a federal ban. So the Democrats will be motivated to vote knowing the Supreme Court might overturn the ban on aborition and it'll only be the White House and the House that can stop it becoming illegal across the states.

Also remember that the last parts of Obamacare, such as preventing insurance companies from not taking on people with pre-existing conditions, might be jettisoned by the Supreme Court too.

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I believe very little will actually change on the abortion front I'm just saying that democrats will claim it is.

I don't really see the supreme court doing more against Obama Care either.

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If they think the time is right after getting one more justice on the court whose to say but it is an eventual goal of the Republicans. There is no way for example Trump isn't going to nominate someone who Republicans suspect won't vote their way.

This isn't a Democratic slur on the Republicans. The Republicans will themselves tell you they want a near-total ban with the argument being exactly which cases are exempt (mostly life of the mother). It's a big part of their platform.

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Pro-life republicans are very vocal but I don't believe they control as much of Republican policy as that. If Roe Vs Wade falls, most states will not ban abortion and there may even be support for a legislative law on the federal level.

Remember Roe Vs Wade is a modern aberration and not really how law is suppose to be made in the first place.

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No just trying to get folk to stop making flat statements without any proof. To actually debate.

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Also when did it become de rigueur for folk to post a statement and expect others to do the research?

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You clearly have not read this thread.

I’ve posted several YouTube vids in this thread of him losing his mental state and his shitty memory.

I’m shocked 😱 at the silence from Hugh on Biden’s son, Hunter Biden allegedly accepting millions of dollars from Russians with links to sex trafficking when Joe Biden was Vice President during Obama’s presidency, nothing improper about this at all. :rolleyes:

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I think Trump is also slower than his youth but Biden seems to be definitely having bad days.

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Fine. I'm just asking both sides to offer proof not just make flat statements.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...ry?id=73205708

What can actually be done if a President refuses to concede?

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There’s actually a nightmare scenario where state Governors and Legislatures endorse different sets of results for their states giving different electoral college outcomes.

All ends up in the House of Representatives.

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Nothing wrong with Trumps state of mind.

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it's called debating which is woefully short in this thread.

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Not quite. Individual States can’t override the Constitution. Any unconstitutional change could be met with litigation.

Only the State’s Electors vote for the presidency. Electors who do not, are faithless electors. A July 2020 Supreme Court ruling said electors may only vote for the States popular vote, those that do not, can be fined or replaced.

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I read that the other day. The election system in the US is crazy! I did like this quote;

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No more than ours. but like the UK the silent majority that just want to get on with their lives get to speak.

So all those rioters and looters that are smashing up various cities in the name of BLM or Antifa or whatever, if they think what they're doing is going to make Jo public go out in their droves to vote for Biden may want to think again.

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Sorry, been away on a break for 4 days/3 nights with my wife, daughter and grandson at Conwy/Anglesey, and spent very little time on Social Media...

All the allegations against Biden’s son have proven to be unproven - even the latest Republican witch-hunt couldn’t find anything illegal...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54268887 I wonder if the Trump children/organisation have ever benefited from Trump being President.

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Millions of Americans have benefitted from him being president.

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That scenario doesn’t consider that Governors (mainly Republican) may endorse separate results from state legislatures (slightly more democrat). It’s not about who won a state - the process is clear - it’s about where who wins a state is disputed.

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Cheers Seph and yes, it’s a fascinating read.

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I like it, using Trump terminology when the shoe is on the other foot.

That said, nothing was unproven. Even Sleepy Joe, when he was asked about earlier this week became very unhinged and shouting at reporters, when asked about the conflict of interest.



I would suspect every president there has ever been and their children have benefited from the parents presidency. Either when they were in office or out. Your point is moot.

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Except you are using the fact they do to attack Biden and his son, but saying it doesn’t matter for Trump and his children.

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What's wrong with a mother giving birth to a child nine months after conception? Trump seems to have an issue with it :confused:
https://twitter.com/kenolin1/status/1309347252402491392

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Except nothing. Have Trumps children received millions from Russians linked to sex trafficking?

Trumps children are benefiting from their own branded businesses transferred to them during their father’s presidency. Wtf is wrong with this huh?

Your point is still absolutely moot.

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This happened over two years ago, and it was cleared up, Trump misspoke and had actually meant to say “torn” instead of “born”, he was referring to late term abortions where fully developed fetus, is ripped from womb at 9 months, causing pain in the baby being allowed for non-medical reason in some States.

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https://torontosun.com/news/world/se...an-trafficking

Hard to imagine someone would be involved in paying large amounts of money to individuals involved in the adult entertainment industry - well, at least he hasn’t had to pay her legal fees...

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It's strange that the Donald will accept the election result if he wins, but not if he loses....

The buffoon needs to say now whether he accepts the process or not. Otherwise the US could end up being the World's biggest ̶de̶m̶o̶c̶r̶a̶c̶y̶ dictatorship.

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If the result is decisive there isn't much he can do. I don't see the Republicans contesting it if it's clear and so Trump will be on his own. He could complain but he can't stop the process.

The worry is a close election like last time is likely to be contested irrespective of who wins.

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And remember the Russians are backing Joe:tu:

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Depends on what's being offered.

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Ooops he did it again

Mr Biden stated that he got to the Senate "180 years ago" and seemed unaware that he had made the mistake.

Looking at him he could be right.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mocrats-update

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I wouldn't want to call that one.

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I think it's a bit simplistic to conflate Jewish US citizens with the country of Israel.
And I don't think many countries would openly advocate for one party or other in the US election as the US is such a powerful country and you don't want to get on the wrong side of them as China has found to its cost.

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Thing is most religions have a strong moral code, be it Jewish, Catholic, Muslim. Donald doesn't fit it with any of them. Even some of the evangelical base are seeing him for what he is - a very immoral man.

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The problem they face is they are presented with the choice of a immoral man who at least claims will do what they want and a moral man who claims to do the opposite of what they want.

What would you choose?

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Russia is strongly anti-Biden according to Trump appointee William Evanina, director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center
The countries said to be against Trump are China and Iran.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/chin...ry?id=72241806

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A President with senile dementia is a god send to America's enemies of course they back him.

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It's par for the course, Reagan wasn't exactly compos mentus and Trump declines by the day if that's possible.

They really need to put an age limit on US Presidents.

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I agree but not just presidents the whole political system is run by coffin dodgers.

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Only a sub-set of people in those faiths cited hold such strong views on abortion, etc.

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yeh, but no...

I think you must be part of the Trump Campaign (or perhaps we should call you "Fancy Bear" instead of "Papa Smurf"?) - making stuff up that’s the opposite of what’s actually happening.

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I'm just an impartial observer with no ties to the American political system or Russia.

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Yes let's have 18-25 year olds in charge..:)

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If you're impartial observer, why are all your criticisms exclusively levelled at Joe Biden and never at Donald Trump?

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Trump has been accused of all sorts of things and come out squeaky clean,i feel it's been done to death and got nowhere,so not worth pursuing, biden on the other hand is well worth looking into especially as he never seems to know what day it is or where he is etc, but nothing i do or say can influence the election that's a matter for the American people, if it helps i think trump's hair looks stupid;)

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BREAKING: The New York Times is reporting that Donald Trump has not paid income tax in ten out of the last 15 years and only paid £590 in 2016. Trump has denied the allegations. http://news.sky.com/story/donald-tru...laims-12084054

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Would you look at that, no Russian money like all the haters said would be there in his tax returns. Thanks NYT for the nothing burger though.

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Based on what evidence?

You and others have been told to stop posting unsubstantiated claims. If you are going to make such wild claims. Source it.

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Really, you think it immoral that a man has paid more for sex over the last fifteen years than he has paid in tax?

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Any business that involves high start up costs, such as property building and development, is always going to pay low taxes in the shorter term.
A normal business will pay less tax if it invests heavily in something. Nothing unusual, and the same for everybody else. If you start up a physical shop, restaurant , etc, the initial cost of setting things up will impact the tax paid. In future years the idea is those costs are not there, and you then pay more tax.

Is it really asking too much for people to understand basic business operating principles?

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Yeah paying little tax doesn't necessarily mean there is foul play. Just that the business isn't making much profit. BUT this plays into something Trump hates and that's people talking about how he isn't as rich as he pretends to be.

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Apparently it is. :dozey:

Trump isn’t a ‘normal business’, and he isn’t a self-employed consultant who paid no tax because he bought a new computer and office furniture last year. He’s a multi-millionaire owner of multiple businesses, and it is being alleged that he is co-opting the operating losses of some of his businesses to reduce his personal tax bill.

He is on record as saying that shenanigans designed to reduce his tax liability to ludicrous levels make him “smart”.

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So, do you believe these returns to be accurate then? Trump says they're faked.

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I think this is exactly what everyone was expecting from these returns weren't they? Constant losses from his businesses.

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That is not evidence, it is an opinion piece. Post facts, not bullshit. Also, drop your stupid attitude and crazy nonsense about love affairs, this is displaying immaturity beyond belief.

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To say this is a bit thin on evidence would be an understatement,it's more a bitter rant by a Democrat supporters group.

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They also shouldn’t throw stones from glass houses....

Joe Biden used tax code loophole President Obama tried to plug.

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I know Trump is a Saint (way better than Mother Theresa that's for sure), but wonder why he won't publish his Tax returns like every other US President?
Maybe they just don't exist?

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Because they more than likely paint a true picture of his wealth. He’s clearly not flat broke, since his presidency he has not taken his $400,000 yearly salary, he donated $1 Million during this relief efforts of Hurricane Harvey, highest ever financial offering from a sitting president.

So he has millions. But is he a billionaire?

Probably not and this is probably what he’s trying to hide.

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Oh dear nothing. Don’t post stupid, immature playground accusations then. :rolleyes:

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It was said that before he was president he would only talk to the press if they agreed not to ask him about his wealth. He has fostered a brand of vulgar* displays of wealth, IIRC you can pay to tour his suite and he shows off a gold toilet. Of course if you understand how wealthy the elites in New York are you know that Trump is on the lower end.

*Protestant cultures tend to frown on displays of wealth. Even the richest tend to dress the same as a modest businessman.

That being said there may well be accounting tricks going on or maybe not but he may not want the scrutiny, we have all seen how frivolously complaints can gain traction if they are against the "right" people.

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In one of the 2016 presidential debates, Trump’s bankruptcy record of 6 times, was brought up by Hillary Clinton, he scoffed, that her mates and interests played by same rules, said they were the dumbest us laws that allowed him to bankrupt himself 6 times. And he said it had made him “smart”. He again scoffed at Clinton, when she was a Senator, why had these laws not changed, then claiming to allow her elite friends to exploit same tax loopholes.

You have to agree, being allowed to bankrupt oneself more than once, should raise eyebrows.

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Did he bankrupt himself or the business?

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You're being unduly harsh on Trump. ;) He has never been bankrupt himself but six of his companies have.
https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-tru...o%20bankruptcy.

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Indeed it was his businesses that got bankrupted.

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Incidentally, it came across my attention last night that the Trump International Hotel in Vancouver, Canada, that opened in 2017, has had to permanently close due to heavy losses and Covid. That said, after further digging, that hotel wasn’t actually run by Trump Organization, merely the company that ran it, used Trump brand on a license based agreement.

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That happens a lot with Trump doesn't it? People use his name for products like Trump Streaks or whatever.

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Correct.

From wiki.

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What i have learned this morning is that Donald Trump has a good accountant,as every one in business should;)

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That’s very common in hotels, especially American owned ones. It’s a franchise arrangement. They pay Trump a wad and in return they get a ready made operations manual, branding and other designs, and permission to use a famous name that attracts more customers.

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As does Richard Branson, the Virgin Brand is for sale, non-so obvious as Virgin Media.

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Looks like the debate was a diaster.

CBS/YouGov's initial numbers give the debate to Biden: https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/s...49977499045890

But that could be a function of how low a bar Biden had to clear. Given all the talk of him having dementia and if he could even do the debate the fact he could turn up and speak in sentences probably helped him.

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Apparently Trump's interruptions helped Biden. Instead of mis-speaking, the interruptions gave him a chance to avoid weak areas and to gather his thoughts.
As Sky News observed, the real loser was not Trump but the American public.

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Andrew Neil mocks 'weak' Biden as Trump creates 'sleepy Joe bloodbath' in US debate


A clear win for Trump

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mp-coronavirus

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I had some sympathy for the moderator (Chris Wallace) with a pair like that.

Perhaps he should have got given a decent frack hammer. :D

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You need to give Pritti Patel her calculator back! The polls for this shambles of a debate were as Damien outlined.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-presid...hcare-12085618

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Did you actually watch the debate?

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The thing with these debates is that it doesn't seem to matter who actually won on merit but who is perceived to have won afterwards which is where the expectations come in. Biden is currently seen to have won in each of the three post-debate polls that have been taken (at least from actual polling companies, not internet polls) and that may be because people thought he would have a dementia breakdown on stage. It might be because he is polling higher so has a % of people who like him/hate Trump he has an advantage when people are tasked who won the debate.

Biden is probably happier today since the debate disaster people were maybe expecting didn't happen and he his polling well generally. He doesn't want the state of the race to change and a narrow win/narrow loss/draw doesn't change it.

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@OhNoSheTwitnt

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Thing is, whatever we think about the relative performances of the two candidates, they were pitching to a US audience who thought differently from you. Trump's the underdog so he needed to get Biden to slip up, which he has been known to in the past. But his technique failed and the interruptions played out well for Biden.

Will be interesting to see if Trump tries a different technique next time round. Trump's tax revelations may have lulled some into a sense of security - he's shrewd and has bags of energy.

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If think if either stumbles then it might impact the vote slightly. A debate of policies it was not. It was more a hurdle each had to jump through. Most voters' minds are indeed probably made up.
We're seeing today the reporting of Trump's "Proud boys, stand back and stand " which from my solely UK stand point was a mistake It will be interesting to see if his lack of condemnation of white supremacist supporters last night will work against him or not.

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David Bossie: Trump clearly defeats Biden in first presidential debate

To any reasonable person watching, it was clear that President Trump came prepared and resoundingly defeated former Vice President Joe Biden at Tuesday night’s first presidential debate in Cleveland.

You have to bring you’re “A” game to go toe-to-toe with the champ and unsurprisingly, Democratic presidential nominee Biden couldn’t compete. Sadly, that doesn’t matter to Biden’s allies in the liberal media who will ignore the facts as sure as the sun will rise in the morning.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/davi...dential-debate

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<snigger>

Fox News commentator who was deputy head of Trump’s 2016 Presidential campaign, and is currently co-Chairman of Trump’s Maryland campaign, thinks Trump won the debate?

As he himself said https://media.tenor.com/images/e5d82...d0fd/tenor.gif

In other "breaking news", ursine quadrupeds defecate in areas of afforestation, and Jorge Mario Bergoglio is Roman Catholic... :D