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This is just getting silly. Glad we keep a well stocked cupboard and freezers. What is it with pasta? Shelves are stripped. :rolleyes:

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No idea not used a bar of soap in donkeys years we always buy liquid soap and there was plenty of that.

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Same in our household heero.

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Just suggesting that it's an alternative. I'm lucky I have years worth of soap gifts.:)

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There were some signs about a week and a half ago when we were at our local supermarket as there were several shelves nearly empty then but obviously panic buying of certain items has set in considerably since then..

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Are you going to shop online for the time being, don't want you taking risks? My parents are.

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I did manage to buy a few bottles on liquid soap that says kills 99.9% of germs, the shelf was full but i bet it won't be today.

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We have a order coming this week but one expects a email either saying some items are out of stock or there is a rationing of certain items.

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Luckily we have managed to source some online after finding none available in several supermarkets.

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That's what i'm doing for the time being.

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I saw 10 little bottles of hand gel priced at £150 on Amazon the other day!

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l don't doubt it as Ebay is the same.

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I can get my hearing aid batteries free from my Doctors surgery which is 2mins walk away...... Well there is no way i am going near a Doctors surgery anytime soon so i bought 60 online!

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My elderly parents usually go bingo where they live on a Sunday but following concerns by the whole family they are staying in.

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Took my son and his OH to aldi to get their shopping, girl on the till said there was lots of panic buying and empty shelves on Friday then it just went back to normal.

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Everyone has lost all sense of reality. :dozey:

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The reality is that there is so much that cannot be predicted or planned for, including how long precautions will have to be in place.


A large household would need a lot of supplies to last a few weeks at a time. People are panic buying because other people are panic buying. Hopefully the surge will subside and people will just buy their normal weekly needs.

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I ain't panic buying, but if items we buy are on offer I'll get them.

Take loo roll £2 of a pack of 24, so I bought 2 as usual.

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BREAKING: A third person in UK, has died of Coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...itive-11953382

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48 rolls a week ?! I'd see a Dr about that if I were you ...

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The more important number is the number of people with the virus. That is what gives an indication of the spread and potential for more deaths.

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I think it's because they are afraid of shortages as opposed to loose bowels, though someone said today that they thought people were buying it because it's cheaper than buying tissues (which are also presumably in short supply too).

I can't understand the run on pasta though, why that specific product?

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Anyway Cornavirus is a respiratory virus and toilet paper really shouldn't be an issue as loose bowels are not a symptom of said virus.

It is if people are shitting themselves :D

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It's good that the bad news is being delivered by Mr Whitty, it lightens the mood a tad...

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278

(0.000004% of the UK population).

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It keeps in the cupboard for ages. The people who are hoarding it will have been googling what food to stockpile in a crisis and have found a load of mental survivalist websites.

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As long as one infected person remains unquarantined it has the potential for most people to be infected. Remember this all started because one Chinese man was bitten by a bat (supposedly).

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Someone from my son's college tested positive. We've not been contacted so are not in the (immediate) contact group so it's attend as normal - deep cleansed the college over weekend.

Apparently customers are being nasty to Sainsburys' staff as if it were there fault there are no loo rolls. We buy ours from Costco. Just can't understand the panic. Yes we buy pasta in large volumes because I don't go to Costco that often but it keeps.

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I thought is was a bowl of this:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1583747414

:D

Attachment 28239

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Not as simple as that. It is the network of contacts that occurred in the previous 2 weeks. A passes it to B, C, D, etc, and they each pass it on to others and so on. Then there is the issue of indirect transference via contact with contaminated surfaces.

If everybody works under the assumption that they might be carrying it, and they take precautions to avoid potentially giving it to others, then it will calm down.

As far as banning large gatherings, eg sports events, the issue is not just when X gets the bug and gets seriously ill or dies, but they go on to spread it to others around their home area. One of those instances where doing something prematurely is far better than doing it too late.

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Exactly this.

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Yes, but this essentially means closing down the country.

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As a World Health Organisation Doctor pointed out on TV, it has worked in China. The number of new cases is just a handful.

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Even that is not assuming EVERYONE is infected. There are people operating outside the infected areas trying to manage this situation.

But yes, we need to stop all unnecessary travel and close down unnecessary communal activity. Basic services infrastructure are going to have to work on skeletal crews. Hospital workers are going to have to be heroes here.

None of this will be easy. Best case scenario is we delay it until spring and the weather kills it.

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The Meteorological spring started at the beginning of this month.

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Which they have done in Lombardy.

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We were in Sainsbury's this morning and it was calmness and serenity personified.

There were notices that stock was limited on certain products allbeit several pallets of toilet roll were being brought out from the stock room and there was still some on the shelves, there was some hand wash available although it was pretty limited in what they had , pasta well there was still some there but not a lot.

Bleach and anti bacterial wipes there was still plenty of that on observation.

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Bleach and anti bacterial wipes . . not sure I'd fancy that combination instead of toilet roll, although in my far distant youth a dock leaf or two came in very handy :D

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Latest UK figures show 319 people have tested positive for coronavirus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...085f0b8d944f16

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Government not going to do anything. I'd suggest they ask the Italian Government what they'd like to have done a week ago.

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Wel I'm all lready now.:D

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Now which one should one use first.:D

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Which is exactly the same for Flu, every year. :erm:

People in the UK die from Flu every year (on average about 600 people in the UK die from flu, some years are much higher, it was estimated that over 13,000 deaths resulted from flu in 2008-09) and yet the country somehow manages to carry on without insanity setting in. :dozey:

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I am not the greatest fan of the current Government but, to date, they have followed almost to the letter the Pandemic Influenza preparedness plans in place for a number of years. Check from page 34 onwards here - https://assets.publishing.service.go.../dh_131040.pdf

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Yeah and the Spanish flu killed over 17 million people, we are fortunate this is not that bad.

I am not advocating any insanity, I pointing out epidemiological facts and appropriate strategy.

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But those most at risk of dying from flu, like myself, are offered a free flu jab every year. There isn't as yet a vaccine against the Coronavirus.

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:D:D::D

To poke fun at those that are stockpiling, one amusement arcade operator has replaced the toys etc in his grab machine with toilet rolls!

https://www.the-gazette.co.uk/news/n...s-stockpiling/

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Over 100 years ago ....
You may as well mention the plague as well.

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So basically your confirming Flu is even more dangerous, yet no one panics every year like madmen.

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I received a text from my GP a few days ago about the jab. Not sure sitting in a waiting room full of sick people is a good idea.

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Do the current events around the world happen every year?


Pneumonia might be "normal" for flu, but I'm not sure the other 2 problems are.


The mortality and hospitalisation rates are huge in comparison.

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Huh ?

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Your sources are suspect when they say the coronavirus causes Covid-19

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BBC News
I assume they mean this Coronavirus has different presentations and symptoms to other Coronaviruses in the past.

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Eg When in the past were large areas of Northern Italy "closed off"?

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Italy is placing the whole of its country on lock down.

.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...vents-11953507

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...box=1583786866

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Just as well I got my Italy holiday in last month then. Lovely country it is too. Good to see they are taking the right steps regardless of economic consequences. I suspect our Govt. will put themselves and the economy ahead of the nation's health, as demonstrated by today's non action.

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So how many other countries have followed Italy? The levels in Italy are very different from anywhere else except China.
Link

WHO

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BREAKING: 5th person dies in UK of COVID-19.

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They've been unlucky, it could equally as well been us. It was obviously circulating a long time before they were aware. However we are forewarned and we should be forearmed; we shouldn't wait for events to unfold before taking the right actions. Learn from what's happened there.

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Italian prison system pretty much just collapsed - Police union have said they've lost control of 27 prisons.

Virus aside. The current state of the markets and Italy collapsing bit by bit, the damage done by the effects may end up being more than the direct virus.

As for more cancellations. With Serie A being suspended and whatever other leagues that follow in the coming weeks and months it wouldn't be too far out of reach to suggest Euro 2020 will be cancelled if the leagues can't resume in good time.

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Germany, France, and Spain all have more cases than the UK. What have they done?


Link

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It’s amazing how many public health experts there suddenly are on the internet, and how their expertise aligns so neatly with their political sympathies.

I will simply point out that senior public health officials have been front and centre in explaining the UK’s response so far, and the British media, despite trying very hard, has been unable to find anyone who actually knows what they’re talking about, who thinks the British government, acting on professional advice, had got it wrong so far.

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Why is everyone so concentrated on liquid soap? The hard stuff works just as well and lasts longer.

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If you look at this plot we see the largest outbreaks are in the yellow zone. It's possible we have fewer cases because we are closer to the green. It's also possible it's because we have less people travelling from Italy. Since we don't share a border in shengen.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESm9RTRX...g&name=900x900

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Alcoholic hand sanitizer will kill convid-19, it's possible people are confusing liquid soap for that.

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Although I've just been informed by an expert that regular soap may be better than alcohol sanitizer.

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All our liquid soap has antibacterial germ killing agents in, do bars of soap have this in?

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That's a waste of time. Experts have said for a long time that there is so little in it that it won't do anything and that a good wash with ordinary soap and water will suffice.

It's even been suggested that what you're using will do more harm than good.

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Coronavirus is a virus, not a bacterium.

Soap and water washes the virus away, Alcohol(in high enough strength, eg Vodka or gin won't work) kills it there and then.
Link

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We have both and both are antibacterial unless my eyes deceive me.

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Which in itself isn't useful against a virus. Just as antibiotics are useless against a virus. It is the soap action that lifts the virus off the skin and rinsing then carries it away, just as soap does with dirt,

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:tu:

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See this thread by a chemist who recommends basic soap for breaking down a coronavirus https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/...69890398912512

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I'm going to be pedantic and point out that you cannot "kill" a virus as it is not alive and has no metabolism of its own.

Antibacterials are a waste of time and money when dealing with cleansing a virus away. A good wash with ordinary soap and water will get the viral particles off your hands.

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:tu:

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Seems like anti social, autistic, OCD types will be the ones to inherit the earth after all. Always distrusted people who hug each other...

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Well I don't want to die alone..

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Basic soap doesn't break down coronaviruses. It just washes them down the plughole.


Beware non or low alcohol sanitisers are useless against it. It is the rinsing action of washing that takes the virus away from the hands.

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Well the chemist explains that it is held together by fatty chemicals and can be basically thought of as a particle of grease. So it can be broken by soaps, detergents and as you say sufficiently concentrated alcohol.

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Best advice is to stay in your room and never leave Cable Forum. That way you'll never catch it. Dehydration and starvation might be an issue though.

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It's what I learned in science class. The soap breaks down the protective barriers of germs/viruses and the water finishes it off.

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what do you suggest would be the "right" actions?

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You may not be able to "kill" a pedant,......but you can "destroy" one ;)

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Taking the actions they'll have to take in a few weeks anyway. The sort of limiting public movement that has been done in Italy. It won't stop it but it will slow things down and give us more of a chance. We seem to be waiting for things to get bad before acting, by then it's too late.

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How's your self isolation going now that you're back from Italy?

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Working from home as a precaution, however I didn't go to one the infected areas, and the current advice was for after my trip.

What was strange though, is that we were all temperature checked before entering Italy. On return to the UK return zero checks being done. AFAIK they still aren't. Very quick and easy to do with thermal imaging.

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just been to my sons house got met at the door and squirted with hand sanitizer.

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You have to look at the evidence and act upon it. it's a balancing act. Personal responsibility is as bigger factor than any decree from government. At the moment they have got it about right.

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but they don't work so why bother.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...ad-coronavirus

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Public Health England and the Chief Medical Officer probably know better than us on the correct course of action here.

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Let's hope so eh? After all the've dealt with many of these situations before. An over reaction is better than a an under reaction.

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Over reaction can be just as damaging, or even worse, as is already being demonstrated by the sheer stupidness of so many people.

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UPDATE: A sixth person has died in the UK due to Coronavirus. Total UK cases jumps to 373, up 54 from yesterday according to Dept. of Health.

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This is worrying

Top surgeon tests positive for coronavirus and may have infected hundreds of patients after return from Italy



A TOP British surgeon who has tested positive for coronavirus may have infected hundreds of vulnerable patients as he failed to self-isolate after contracting the killer bug on holiday in Italy.

The senior surgeon at Liverpool’s Aintree University Hospital returned from a family skiing trip in northern Italy last week.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/111381...e-coronavirus/

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They won't want to damage the economy.

The virus seems to be sparing kids and killing the elderly/ill, leading conspiracy theorists to believe that this has been purposefully done to rid the world of chronically sick, disabled and elderly people who are no longer economically active.

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I am just getting over a bad cold... it was a bit worrying as my chest was sore on coughing, I also had a slight temperature and then the cold went to my head aka snot bag galore.


Back to work tomorrow (maintenance man at a care home).

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Nature does that without any help.

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One thing I've not heard a peep about during this "crisis" is the antiviral drug Tamiflu.

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There are research teams at Liverpool working on this. Covid-19 has similarities with MERS (which IIRC is also a coronoavirus), which is fairly well understood - including the fact that it seems to be more dangerous in combination with certain other pathogens. It may turn out that older people, with weakened immune systems and greater exposure to the various microscopic nasties that exist, are thereby simply more susceptible.

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It’s not effective against Coronavirus. Tamiflu is designed to attack a specific feature of the influenza virus. Coronavirus is not influenza.

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/for...an-coronavirus

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Nadine Dorries, a health minister, has become first MP to be diagnosed with coronavirus

She has been in Westminster for past week, met hundreds of people, and attended a No 10 reception hosted by Boris Johnson on Thursday

https://thetimes.co.uk/article/coron...o-10-c3sjs5kmp

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I read that they are finding that an HIV drug might be helpful:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/...treatment.aspx

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Important to bear in mind, that with proper testing, it will still take at least a year and a half from inception to market release.

As Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said last week Also, from the same article https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...avirus-vaccine

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There is some brilliant science going on with this at the moment, screening compounds by computer simulation to find potential inhibitors. In this study, 687 million compounds were screened in silico to come up with 17 potential drugs for real world testing including an anti ovarian cancer drug. This study pulled up 10 commercial drugs including heart, cancer and antipsychotic drugs.

Of course, computer simulations are one thing, the results may vary in the real world but there is potential out there before any vaccine comes on line

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Of course you and others can help with this and other studies too.

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/d...on#comparisons

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My place of work is going into 'coronavirus mitigation plans' meaning they're trying to build what they can quickly for customer orders(probably not possible as it takes days/weeks to build a digital printhead through the line) as they fully expect a government shutdown, if only 1 person shows signs of the virus we will get shut down as i work in a cleanroom, scary time!

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The Public Health England Covid-19 cases tracker is a useful tool.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...0b19484dd4bb14

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The Lancet has published the following Bit of a long read but interesting to see the breakdown of the findings based on the earliest group to contract COVID 19.

https://www.thelancet.com/pb-assets/...7362305663.pdf

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Our work has banned all 'non business critical' travel globally and has stopped all attendances at exhibitions and conferences. I reckon we're not far away from most office based people to be told to work from home where possible (makes no difference to me as I work from home all the time anyway)

Manufacturing will continue though, even in China, as the business I am in is directly related to healthcare.

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Eighth British citizen dies from coronavirus.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...087df56e4c64c5

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The more relevant issue is where there are, not citizenship. Deaths in Indonesia or Japan are issues for those countries.