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It practically gives him a hard on. Heaven knows where he'd be without some sort of recognition.

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I mean no, it’s not as if they’ve ever used a Dutch Duke to chase the reigning monarch out of the country and declare him abdicated in absentia is it. Or drag a king to the tower and hack his bonce off.

Thankfully Parliament has more recently chosen to pass legislation in order to ensure the heir is determined by law rather than by pure birthright. Three times, most recently in 2013.

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Yes indeed, Parliament, effectively the Commons, is legally ‘supreme’. The next monarch is one that Parliament decides will be. Naturally it will be William because they have no reason to deny it?

Removing Andrew from the line of succession does require an Act of Parliament, but as he is, what, 8th in line, it doesn’t really seem necessary. Of course is things were to change due to some really unlikely catastrophic issue then I suspect that Parliament would act so fast it will make his head spin!

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So I have not really kept up with this so please excuse me if I am missing something here.

First part:

I fail to understand why he is being labelled as a Pedo/Rapist etc, that is Andrew when from what I can see no seems to be able to prove he did anything?

The commentary on TV etc never mentions any police reports, DNA, the only thing that seems to be mentioned is "Her Words" and a "Photo" that they say people cannot confirm if it's legit or fake??

If that is all there is, then this is another case of a Man being found guilty of something just because a women says so and it's wrong, annoying and quite frankly sickening that again another man has his life ruined because of an allegation.


Second Part (Probably more important):
There is though the other side of it, that there are reports he paid her off after the first time she accused him and made her sign an NDA?

If that is the case, that makes him look real guilty to me because, I am sorry but no man knowing it will basically end his career, reputation etc sign an NDA and payoff a false accuser, so that makes me think there was something that happened??


The mainstream media and anti-royals seem to be saying that "Because he was friends with epstein he is guilty" but if that is the case, why are they not saying the same for everyone that was friends with him, why is it only Andrew?



Am I missing something here, is there more to this than what is being shown on the news etc or is it something that we will probably never know fully what was going on?

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The man has never been charged with an offence or been near a court of law

people seem to be taking this book as the new gospel according to saint virginia, and as far as i can see this story is now about charlie windsor preserving his opulent lifestyle

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He went to the island, his explanations were not at all convincing, and that photo does appear to be real.

It's not enough for a court of law, but people are going to have their own opinions.

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especially so on social media

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"I fail to understand why he is being labelled as a Pedo/Rapist etc, that is Andrew when from what I can see no seems to be able to prove he did anything?”

And that’s fine, at worse, absolutely worse, Andrew slept with a girl who was 17 at the time. Now let’s assume that is true - he denies it, but she was over 16 so the ‘pedo’ label is obviously wrong, ‘rapist’, well you would need to show that he knew that the girl was being coerced into doing it, and it was ‘against her will’. If you can't show that, then ‘rapist’ is inappropriate.

""Her Words" and a "Photo" that they say people cannot confirm if it's legit or fake??”

No the photo does seem genuine, so we can conclude that Andrew did meet and knew Guthrie. What else happened is speculation. But any claim that ‘he had never met her’, is palpably wrong.

But it’s the lying, there is simply too much evidence that Andrew kept up some kind of relationship with Epstein even when it became obvious of the type of person he was, but this was denied.

It’s the steady trickle of revelations, things denied and then shown to be likely to be true, that eventually build up and lead to what happened to him. Now I’ve never met the man, he could well be the nicest and most naive person in the world. Or he’s a self-absorbed narcissist who regards himself as better than anyone else and is simply deserving of respect, because!

OK his actions in 1982, yes he did put himself in a position of danger, and could have cried off, so some credit there, but then again did everyone else who was serving at the time.

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She was 17, I dont think that was ever in dispute ?

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Another carpool? :banghead:

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Not wanting to go all conspiracy theorist but there's got to be more to this than I imagined, it goes beyond a sex trafficking ring, all the things donnie has been found guilty of, including being an adjudicated rapist, his ex wife accusing him of rape in her divorce proceedings, his own seedy words about his behaviour at underage beauty pagents make me think there is nothing in there about his sexual predilections we don't already know about, so what is it? It's got to be massive given the effort been gone to in keeping it hidden and the peoole involved, so given donnie doesn't care about protecting individuals I think its on a national level and involves vast sums of money and probably mixing it with some of the dirtiest nations on the planet and possibly some of the world's intelligence services too

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"being an adjudicated rapist”

Sorry but in the interest of being fair (and I’m certainly not Trumps biggest fan), but what does that mean?

No, he was never convicted of a ‘rape’ change, legally he isn’t a rapist.

"his own seedy words about his behaviour at underage beauty . Would I let him make me think there is nothing in there about his sexual predilections we don't already know about, so what is it? “

Oh now right, he certainly has said some things, that most people would go WTF. So yes, I do get your point, I don't think he is a good person! Would I want him within a mile of my daughters? Absolutely not!

Be truthful, don’t make stuff up to tar him - frankly he does a good job of doing that himself!

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Hence ‘adjudicated’ and not ‘convicted’.

He was held liable for a form of sexual assault which was rape in common parlance; rape in every way except the very narrow and specific legal definitions used in NY State law. This was stated in a civil court, on the record, by the trial judge, who explicitly said that ‘rape’ was a reasonable term to use to describe what Trump did.

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He's going to freak out :LOL: I think it's all tosh. Trump committed adultery with a porn star.

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Why do you think it’s "all tosh"?

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It would have come out by now. Not awaiting political correction.

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Not really, its [only] come out because a new set of documents has been released.

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So the victims don't have a voice?

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Huh :confused:

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The e-mails are pretty bad. Pretty much just there in the open.

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I can understand why Trump is keen to talk about suing the BBC now! It would be a useful distraction from this.

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To be honest, this Epstein stuff is boring now . . . 'special' news updates, a 'fresh' look at what's happening, books, documentaries, films

I guess it does make a decent distraction from all the other stuff though

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I haven't, and won't, read any emails about Epstein & Friends, however the mention of kinky boots for some reason started me humming the Black Sabbath track 'Fairies Wear Boots'

yes, I'm definitely odd :D

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https://bsky.app/profile/datadrivenm.../3m5hh7cfqu22t

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Sadly I'm not a member :rolleyes:

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Aww he just pissed on many parades.

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See what you did there...!

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Bubba?

:shocked:

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Trump condom $4.50

https://news.sky.com/story/epstein-l...#liveblog-body

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They come in a pack of 5, ribbed too... (Sized according to South Park).

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He’ll need something a size or two smaller.

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I'll have to take you word on that. :D

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So there's more pictures of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ein-files.html

Can't knock a man for having some fun can you :erm:

Do one will you! :mad:

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What's he doing now :confused:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...led-floor.html

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3rd picture. Her left armed is raised. Nothing sinister, except from the media, as usual.:mad:
Gives the impression of a bit of silly play acting. She could be smiling and laughing for all we know.

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Yes, who amongst us has not invited a recently freed sex offender to dinner...

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Still nothing to do with the "disturbing" pictures.

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Or…

Patterns of behaviour.

You appear to be defending someone who paid a couple million pounds out of court settlement to keep an accuser quiet.

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STILL nothing "disturbing" about ANY of the pictures.

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well . . . using the word "disturbing" is a good way to draw readers/viewers in, almost to the same degree as women flocking to the opening of a new Primark shop .

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So you think it's perfectly ok for the media to knowingly spread false stories and for people to "buy in" to those false stories, with the media knowing that the person can't do anything about it. That is disturbing.

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No, I'm saying the media know exactly what they're doing when they label something "disturbing" and the reactions it will get.

To be honest, from the many (apparently) files released, if they are the worst photo's in the latest batch there must be quite a few showing . . well, nothing but trees in bloom and vases containing pretty flowers ;)

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You seem to be buying into the media hype.
There is just nothing disturbing about those pictures.

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What's he playing, doctor? :LOL:

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It’s rather unbecoming of a Prince, to say the least. Most men would be faced with the prospect of divorce if they were pictured in this way.

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Or paid a fraudster to shut her up as blokes are not protected from false accusations like women are protected even when they are proven to by lying.

He could have done what she said, but he could have also fell victim like many blokes have where our justice systems in many countries find blokes guilty with no evidence, only to decades later be proven to be innocent.

Unless you were there, have seen the paperwork etc you cannot know just like I cannot know he didn't do it all we can do is make a personal decision, which for me is 50/50, I won't say he is innocent but I won't also say he is guilty.

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Parting company with millions to shut up? Billionaire Trump didn't do that.

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Donald Trump was found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in May 2024 related to the reimbursement of a $130,000 "hush money" payment made to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.

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I meant paying millions. That whore got 100k. You don't part with millions for no apparent reason.

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Depends, for some if they were to pay off someone for such a large amount, it could be more beneficial because of the overall impact.

Since the "E Jean Carroll" thing where as far as I am aware there was no actual evidence just hers and 2 of her friends word for it, a photo of him being at the party and taking "his words" possibly relating to it or something else from an interview Trump was found Guilty of raping her, or sorry was found to have "likely raped her", Trump's reputation has been impacted by it, so has his businesses, his friends and his families, but it's not been enough to stop people voting for him etc.

Like him or not, you should not be found guilty or likely guilty of a crime on the basis of someones "word", and frankly if it were switched so a bloke was accusing a women and they had the same "evidence" it would be thrown out.


As for Andrew, well his reputation again has been impacted significantly, his families reputation and the reputation of England has been damaged by the accusations made against him.


Paying someone millions by either one of them could be seen as a way to try to reduce the impact of those allegations.



This is where society and "Social Justice" is a big problem though because the accused is a man, they are automatically guilty and no matter what is proved they will always be looked at as guilty in the eyes of social media and the general public, they could have been in another country to where the "Assault" was supposed to take place but there will still be people who say they did it, and the person seen in another country was a "Body Double placed there so they could get away with the assault" etc etc.


Look at Johnny Depp Vs Amber Heard, he was accused and based of that accusation alone lost millions in lost roles, sponsors, lost friends, lost family members trust etc etc, for years he fought to prove she was lying and she was still given everything she wanted.

Now she has finally got her just deserts, she has been basically blacklisted in hollywood it would seem, it seems no companies want anything to do with her and she is one of the few females who make a false accusation especially in hollywood who get penalised for it, just not in terms of jail time etc.

Depp could have met her and paid her millions to stop her and she may have taken the money, but he decided to fight her and thankfully he did because he is seen by a fair few blokes as the inspiration to really start fighting back against false accusations.



So yes I can see people paying hundreds of thousands or even millions to shut someone up because in terms of damage control it maybe more beneficial to keep them quiet than fight it.

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Both fully dressed, no contact in the pictures, and with at least 2 others in the room.

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Don't suppose you've also got some pics to share with us?

:D

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Some have turned up… ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1769888875

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I can't quite make out what the *writing* on the back wall says, but the bit in the middle of the women says "© Banksy "

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Google translate suggests "Wokingham Conservative Association. This is a residential area. Please respect our neighbours by leaving quietly." :D

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Loads going on here

https://news.sky.com/story/epstein-f...gress-13501106

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