Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Agreed. They should both up their games. Not sure Boris's approach is working though, bringing Hitler into the occasion is a tad extreme and will unite Russians behind Putin.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

When it's on his scale it's hard to see beyond anything else, with good reason.

Very poor analogy to have used imo and can only impact our cause negatively on a number of levels

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

I'm sure if I used a Hitler analogy in a meeting at work I'd be in big trouble, possibly even sacked.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Indeed there is no comparison between the two as although what Russia has done is reprehensible and indefensible it bears absolutely no comparison on what Adolf Hitler was guilty of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Putin hasn't finished ruling Russia just yet - plenty of time to match that score. Hopefully, the media spotlight, sanctions and some ingenious politics will keep him more contained than Stalin was.

It's too early to judge Putin on just how murderous he might be. Just wait until he gets old and grumpy. :erm:

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

It's important to understand what is happening within Russia state media daily puts out ridiculous stories of the west acting aggressively towards Russia and actively working to bring Russia down. History is being sanitised the gulags being a prime example and gulag type camps being promoted as a solution to the problems within Russia which basically includes anyone that doesn't support Putin. Putin is working very hard in creating a bunker mentality on a national scale and whipping up hatred of the west and there is no longer any media to question or contradict the state media. The increase in accidents and trumped up charges against political opponents is extremely worryingly and wider closing down of freedoms of the Russian people is also a cause of concern.

As of now the majority of Russians are not buying into it but under a constant barrage of propaganda and the increasing fear of questioning Putin it's not hard to see how many will eventually buckle under the pressure. We in the west need to make better efforts at putting our side of the story out there and truthfully report events involving Russia that is never told within Russia and we definately have to up our game on social media as right now the Russians are running rings round the west.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Agreed. The Second World War had a cataclysmic effect on the Soviet Union. Estimates vary but most are agreed that over 20,000,000 died during WWII or in other words, over 13% of the population. The collective folk memory of WWII is still very raw in Russia. In contrast, the UK lost just over 450,000 people or less than 1%.

To compare any Russian to Hitler is either deeply provocative or ignorant of history. Either way, the anger will be very strong

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

As is our anger regarding the attempted murder of two of our citizens.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Boris needs to learn to think before he opens that trap of his rather then prove the old adage of keeping silent and let people think your an idiot rather then talking and confirm it, how much longer May is going to let the buffoon carry on in a job he is clearly not suited for is anyone's guess shame the royal court did away with jesters boris would be perfect for that.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Nicely put. :)

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

I wonder if there's a version of Godwin's Law for foreign secretaries that prattle on for too long?

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

If there isn't there should be.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump expels 60 Russian diplomats in a coordinated worldwide response to the Nerve Attack in Salisbury. France, Germany, Netherlands, Latvia, Poland and others have announced expulsions of Russian diplomats.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-trum...oning-11304952

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Trump has also ordered the closure of the Russian Consulate in Seattle.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Good.

I don't Russia expected such a united response from the West. They assumed the US and Europe wouldn't want to get involved.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

The message being conveyed: ‘The World stands United with Great Britain.’

Canada to expel Russians, who they have identified as Russian Intelligence officials who have interfered in Canada elections.

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Latest from Kremlin: Spokesman from Kremlin says President Putin will make a Final Response to all the Russian expulsions currently happening around the World...

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Credit to May for the Diplomatic achievement as well as Trump and all for following though.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Let me correct that for you Mick ;)

The message being conveyed: 'The worlds economies are in deep doo doo, we need a confrontation with a major power to get our industries back on track . . and reduce the population to manageable levels once again. War with Korea may take things a little too far, but a good old fashioned scrap with Russia will be ok.'

:D :D

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

The Russians come out with a lot of bullshit.... Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman has just said:

"This is a provocative gesture"

and also remarks, "UK is trying to use Brexit to whip up support of solidarity with the EU."

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So far.... 100 Russian diplomats expelled from 18 countries across the world. The largest collective expulsion of Russian intelligence officers in history.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Your grasp of geopolitics is "interesting"...

So, you think that the major western posers are more likely (in your mind) to have a war with the 3rd most (in armed forces terms, but 2nd in Nuclear weapons, including 1600 ICBMs) powerful country in the world, than a bankrupt starving country that has a handful of nukes?

As I said, "interesting" :erm:

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Oh I certainly have a different view than most Hugh :)

I ask myself which is most likely to hit the big red button . . Putin or Kim Sun Ying Tang Po (or whatever his name is) :D

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

I agree, Theresa May has come a long way from a few months ago when the EU cold shouldered her very rudely.

I think we should build on this not only with more financial restrictions to hurt Russia, but also with a message that we would much prefer to be friends with Russia, and when they are ready to talk about being more responsible members of the world community, we will not only look at reversing these restrictions, but also build new business/trade arrangements for mutual benefit.

Russia really does need to learn that friendship will bring them better results than their hitherto hostile approach.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Putin would be doing himself great favours by distancing himself from the minister of lies and fantasy: Vladislav Surkov. It would come as no surprise if he had significant input into the current debacle: Think Ukraine crisis, pro-russian "separatists" (special operations troops and mercenaries in other words), South Ossetia etc.

Much of what we see from outside Russia is a product of Putin's apparatus attempting to consolidate power in a very broken political system where in-fighting among various factions outside of the public eye threatens his grip on power. Surkov is one of the main people Putin listens to but unfortunately for him, this will end up being the start his undoing.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Iceland announces diplomatic boycott of 2018 World Cup in Russia

https://sputniknews.com/worldcup-201...cott-worldcup/

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

If only Iceland had boycotted Euro 2016 ;)

I think the Ruskies may have miscalculated. It's good we still have friends in the EU despite everything. As for Trump, good on him for once, I'm sure trying to bury a certain porn stars revelations from the headlines are purely coincidental.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Porton Down scientists are unable to verify the 'precise source of novichok'


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ce-of-novichok

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Perhaps we've been a little too forward with Russia?

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

l always like to see everything come out in the wash before forming a firm conclusion about things.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Well I suppose we have known for weeks that they weren't able to say who did it? other than what the poison was. However there must have been enough evidence to present to the nations that have expelled Russian diplomats for them to do it?

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next week or 2

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Best not to form a view at this point in time then, Den. They say they have not 'yet' established where it came from. They are talking about incontrovertial evidence.

I don't think there is much doubt though, do you?

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Of course, Russia is jumping on this news. But it does not in any way put them in the clear. We’ve obviously shared some other intelligence that Porton Down is not privy to, with our allies.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

The public is not going to get all the information on this for a very long time if ever and the porton statement could simply mean they don't know which facility it was manufactured at or stored at and certainly doesn't mean Russia are clear of any involvement in this incident.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

. . or a few more Countries if using that argument ;)

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Porton Down did it's job to identify what the substance was.

It's the intelligence services job to identify where it came from and they obviously have intel to say what, which we will never see.

I see Jeremy Corbyn is jumping on the Russia defense bandwagon, anything for him to deflect the racisim/Anti-Jewish sentiment going on in the Labour Party.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

BREAKING: Russia’s proposals at OPCW DEFEATED.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/f...posals-at-opcw

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

That's the problem with scientists they just tell it how it is with no regard to the political and media narrative.

P.S it's 'Defence' Mick, you've been reading too many US sites ;)

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Try not to be a Richard, there’s a good fellow...

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

No Carth novichok is an all Russian creation and apart from small samples held by other facilities for work on a vaccine only Russia has significant stocks of it. Even if it were a commonplace agent only one country has a reason to have used it in the way it was but i suppose if you want you can go with the "Russia didn't do it" approach im sure that attitude will deliver the truth.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Doesn't matter who has 'stocks' of it, quite a few countries have the means to produce it.

I'd guess the amount used in the attack doesn't come anywhere near needing a 'stockpile' of the stuff either.

I'm not saying Russia didn't do it, and I'm not saying they did. Until I hear of clear and irrefutable proof I'll keep an open mind thanks ;)

There's a reason we no longer have the death penalty here, something to do with circumstantial evidence and motive proving an innocent as guilty . . with no way back.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

BREAKING: Russia warns U.K. tonight at the Emergency UN Security Council meeting it asked to convene that ‘they are playing with fire’ and ‘they will be sorry.’

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Blah blah blah. Hardly making themselves seem innocent.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

The rhetoric is getting a little silly and likely no coincidence i suppose that a number of recent YouTube videos have been highlighting a nuclear attack on the UK by Russia from the social media departments within the FSB and ministry of foreign affairs. Completely stupid videos that talk in terms of a massive Russian strike with no counter attack by us but then these videos like those in the past have been on the more fantastic sensationalist side of reality.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Russian Embassy in London states any secret resettlement of the Skripals will be treated as an "Abduction or forced isolation".

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

I think we should remind Russia that we don't send anyone in this country to Siberia in their pyjamas.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

obviously the ruski's want them back so they can finish the murder attempt.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

I'll wait for vlad (man of peace) Putin's next speech about nuclear war in response to not getting his own way as that seems to be the norm these days.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Russia vetoes Syria chemical weapons inquiry

https://news.sky.com/story/live-syri...trump-11324985

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

BREAKING: Yulia Skripal has said in a statement that her father is still "seriously ill" and that she is still suffering ill effects from the Nerve Agent and has shunned any assistance from the Russian Embassy, by saying she does "not wish to avail myself" to them.

https://news.sky.com/story/yulia-skr...bassy-11326800

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

BREAKING: Independent chemical weapons scientists have confirmed that novichok was used in the attempted murder of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Latest: Russia has released their own 8,000 word report in to the Skripals case and state "They are being kept in forced detention or false imprisonment."

Even if remotely true, I suppose it's better than being DEAD by their (Russia's) own hands. :rolleyes:

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

They really should not judge us by their own behaviour.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Well in Russia's defence those are the two options when the authorities are involved in Russia so easy for them to mistake protective custody for what they do. Russia's responses lately on this and the Syria attack are not doing them any favours but it is doing what Putin wants getting bad press outside of Russia that he can claim are attacks on Russia by the evil west within Russia he's simply trying to cement his position.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Another twist to the tale, or more fake news from Russia?

http://www.business-standard.com/art...1500029_1.html

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov claimed on Saturday that the toxin used to poison former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, was BZ toxin, as confirmed by a Swiss laboratory.

You'd have thought, no matter what, that the media would be spending a fortune on contacting the Lab concerned for confirmation or denial . . with denial being their choice result so they could point fingers and shout 'liars' even louder :shrug:

It has gone rather quiet since the two victims made (are making) amazing recoveries, and I tend to doubt the old adage that 'no news is good news' :D

oh, just a disclaimer on the article: (This story has not been edited by Business Standard staff and is auto-generated from a syndicated feed.)

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

As the name of the lab is not mentioned, I doubt little credibility can be attached to the article.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Would that be the same Russians who said they had investigated the alleged Chemical attack in Doumas and concluded there hadn’t been one, then a day or two later said that the Chemical attack in Doumas had probably been done by British-backed forces?

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

The Lab itself has poured cold water on this Russian lie: https://twitter.com/SpiezLab/status/985243574123057152

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

You aren't reading it right, the lab has confirmed that novichok was present - which isn't in doubt - but made no mention of other toxins that may have also been present.

Quite often it's not what they say, but what they don't say.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

So, the fact that they didn't confirm that Plutonium wasn't present, means it may have been?

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

'sigh'

the article mentioned BZ toxin, as confirmed by a Swiss laboratory

you said your tweet from the lab has poured cold water on this Russian lie

nowhere in that tweet did it deny the existence of BZ toxin

do you see what I mean ;)

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

The lab has neither confirmed nor denied anything in the tweet.

It is one of the designated labs that is contracted by OPCW. Quite rightly they have stated only OPCW can comment.

They've also advised to wait for the OPCW Executive meeting on 18th April.

Any article published before then can only be supposition.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

:tu:

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:tu:

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Carth your stretching nearly as much as the Russian's with this line of argument and given the lab has stated they confirmed the use of novichok and it was novichok that caused the health of the two people in question to suffer what else might have been present is irrelevant as it didn't inflict the harm.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Please link to where the lab has confirmed anything other than "We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock."

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

They are supporting Porton Down i could have worded it better but you don't support something untrue and certainly wouldn't express support if other agents were present that might have been responsible.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Yes Rizzy, you could have worded it better.;)

All the lab has stated is they "have no doubt" PD found Novichok that does not mean no other agents were found.

As I said earlier, the lab is contracted by OPCW and it is up to OPCW and no-one else to release those findings.

We will find out tomorrow if any other agent has been found. Until then anything else is just speculation. Nothing more, nothing less.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Cheers Pip, I'm pleased someone else can see that hardly anything is 'confirmed' apart from Novichok was found to be present.

Speculation and wild shots in the dark from all quarters until more is disclosed.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

We should find out tomorrow if the OPCW releases the content of the findings.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Irony, thy name is Carth...:D

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

yeah :D I could have had a great career in politics or the media ;)

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/sta...83417847508992

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/04/7.jpg

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

There we go then, now everyone knows how & why traces of BZ were found.

In my view it makes nobody a liar as BZ is confirmed to be present - just as the Russian bloke said ;)

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

They would have known why it was there.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

What planet are you on Carth? BZ was present in the control sample prepared by the Labs, not in the sample collected from the scene.


From the report.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

To be honest I've no idea what planet I'm on, it certainly isn't the one I grew up on.

I'm too old for this game so yep, the Russians did it . . . along with getting Trump elected, Brexit vote success, and the Accrington promotion . . .





. . although Brexit could have been an own goal ;)


*wanders off to find stronger beer* :D

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

So . . .

yet another fascinating series let down by its lack of continuity :D

It's like getting absorbed in a really good book, only to find the last chapter is missing

:dig:

I don't suppose anyone has found any updated info?

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

BREAKING: OPCW Release Statement on Amount of Nerve Agent used in Salisbury was that the OPCW Technical Assistance Visit team concluded that the chemical substance found was of high purity, persistent and resistant to weather conditions.:

https://www.opcw.org/news/article/op...-in-salisbury/

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

This is getting embarrassing. . . high purity, persistent and resistant to weather conditions. . . people should be dead if everything said about this 'nerve agent' is to be believed.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Depends exactly how engineered it was Carth and the more complex the engineering of it the less facilities are capable of producing it this information may seem vague but it just narrowed the list of facilities it could have come from.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

If anyone is still remotely interested in this, Sergei Skripal was released from hospital today.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sbury-hospital


“But let’s not forget, the fact that all three victims of this incident have been discharged from hospital does not alter the fact this was a brazen and reckless attack - attempted murder - using an illegal chemical weapon.”

sorry bud, already forgotten and gathering dust in a locker somewhere :rolleyes:

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

A bit complacent... :sleep:

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Investigation is still continuing on this it hasn't just been dropped because the media have moved onto other things.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Two collapse near Russian spy poisoning site.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-44707052

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Not sure I'd call 10 miles, "near". In fact Porton Down is nearer, at just 5 miles away. Coincidence?

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

It's a bit weird if it's not some sort of spread from the original poisoning.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

It's even weirder that Porton Down is so near to both sites.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

I heard that the house was a newly built unit so it *could* be building product residues or even a carbon monoxide leak.

It's easy for the mass media to make 2+2 = 5

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Indeed they do that all the time as banner headlines tend to come before the true facts.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Maybe but I don't see how these substances could travel that distance without being detected.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44719639

Same nerve agent.

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

According to reports - The couple in the Amesbury Incident are believed to have been in Salisbury on Friday and on roads that had been sealed off during the Skripal poisoning. Have this British couple been unfortunate enough to have been contaminated from left over residue of the Russian Novichok Nerve Agent in Salisbury?

Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, is to host an emergency Cobra meeting tomorrow morning.

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

Or were one or both of them responsible for the original poisoning

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

Are these substances even able to survive outside that long?

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

Likely that they've come in contact with the poorly disposed of source container. That would ensure it survived in adverse conditions. Other suggestions are tainted items that again have been poorly disposed of.

Be nothing to confirm until they've retraced their actions. If there's anything left to confirm that is.

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

Sounds plausible, you've got to question the competence of the assassins though to poorly dispose of such evidence, mind you they have proven to be inept already, four people poisoned and thankfully no fatalities

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

Strangely enough they're both known drug users. Many possibilities here.

I did like yours however. Would be a juicy conspiracy if they were the would be assassins and the Russians have come back to tie up the botched job.

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

It doesn't make that much sense for this to be a targeted attack from Russia unless there is some information we're missing which is why the contamination is probably the most likely scenario.

Other options would be Russian misdirection to sow doubt on the original poisoning or that it wasn't Russia and someone in running around Wiltshire with Novichok and just coincidentally the first people they targeted just happened to be Russian spies. Neither of which are plausible I don't think.

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

From what I recall of the Salisbury findings, the Novichok is completely weather proof, so that is extremely likely that that a prior contaminated source, has survived, despite a decontamination effort that was done back in April and they may have missed that source.

Makes no sense why two British citizens were targeted in this latest incident.

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

So how were they both affected the next day and simultaneously?

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

First one, then the other when it got passed on?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44727191

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

England v Russia is a World Cup fixture bound to happen now...

Re: UPDATED: New Novichok Poisoning Incident in Amesbury, Wiltshire.
 

BREAKING: Dawn Sturgess, who was exposed to novichok in Amesbury, has DIED.

https://news.sky.com/story/dawn-stur...-dies-11430667