Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35907221)

My Jamacan friend will be overwhelmed with this as I call him Sunshine and he calls me Honkey.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35907227)

The Tories were right to suspend the whip and she was right to apologise.

Let's not get into 'this is what the Tories' are like but she is reasonable for her owns words. This is a reflection on her and the Tories' quick suspension shows they don't have time for it.

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Ok but people can't complain about Labour not being strong enough on the anti-Semitism in their party if they don't support the Tories doing the same. This whataboutary can go on forever because next time Ken Livingstone goes on a Hitler rampage his defenders could point to this and around and around we go.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35907218)

Theresa May's majority reduces by one as one of her MPs is suspended over the use of racist language.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...l-nr-woodpile/

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35907813)

Isn't this the sort of thing Labour likes to accuse fat cat Tories of?



https://order-order.com/2017/07/14/w...atch-football/

I wouldn't be at all surprised if these 'socialists' were forced to consume a fair bit of champagne on their taxpayer funded jollies but I'm sure the welfare of the ordinary, Tory austerity suffering, member of the public is foremost in their minds at all times...

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35907819)

champagne socialists ;)

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908022)

... and now the election is over Labour start the process of backtracking on all that money Corbyn promised to spend in return for student votes.

https://order-order.com/2017/07/16/m...-student-debt/



Well I didn't see this coming at all... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908023)

it's easy to be popular when you offer the world without costing it and lets face it they knew they would come second and would never have to deliver .

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908027)

But who'd fall for that? :shrug: :confused:


;)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908031)

I think you may have inadvertently raised a good point. Are they changing their manifesto now because they believe that they could form the next government sooner than later? There's ongoing rumours of summer infighting in the Conservative Party so who could be the next PM by Christmas? David Davis, Theresa May. Or even JC?

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908033)

young gullible voters

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even if may is ousted there is no mandate for a general election the party will elect a new leader , there won't be any forming a new government , just a reshuffle of the existing one .

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908039)

I think you're right but the chances of a general election have increased so Labour needs to get its ducks in a row just in case.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908039)

I think you're right but the chances of a general election have increased so Labour needs to get its ducks in a row just in case.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35908040)

Keep dreaming Andrew.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908041)

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35908090)

Labour yes all promise no deliver? Now they are turning their backs on their own costed manifesto.

Want student fees payed for well sign here......

T&C

Upon signing we wont actually be giving free students fees but it's an idea that will get you to voting for us.

PS. Don't bother reading the T&C the fine print is so small you can't actually see it hahahaha!!!!

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35908267)

You didn't really expect it to be on the beeb did you? ??

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908257)

I can't find anything about this on the BBC website which is odd because it was only a few days ago that they were telling us all about the abuse Dianne Abbott complained of...

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908027)

But who'd fall for that? :shrug: :confused:


;)

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908287)

I mean the alternative is that Guido and Soubry aren't being entirely truthful. ;)

Labour didn't filibuster the debate in the same way any other parliamentary business yesterday wasn't a filibuster. They had tabled an amendment on extending the days for Private Members Bills by 13 days to reflect the double session of parliament. The Government have cancelled next years Queen's Speech to have a longer session but hadn't extended the days to debate bills not brought forward by the government.

The amendment was on the day's order of business: https://publications.parliament.uk/p...a/OP170717.pdf

It wasn't a filibusterer. It wasn't a surprise.

The debate was scheduled to be the last item of the day, if they were running long it was always going to be cancelled.

And the day got delayed because of urgent questions about the planned execution of 14 men and boys in Saudi Arabia and then the statement from Justine Greening about school funding.

So you might point at any one of the previous items and ask why that didn't count as the reason for the debate being stopped? Or you might ask why, if the debate was so important, it was shoved to the last item of the day when it's not uncommon these get bumped?But instead Guido, who surely knows full well how parliament works, blames it on an already scheduled amendment Labour had because it's a easy way to score points.

He is entitled to do that. But the BBC aren't going to follow him and nor it seems are most other news outlets.

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35908288)

40% of the UK population, aparently. :disturbd:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908289)

That's perfectly evident. Just like the Beeb isn't interested in what Corbyn's right hand man gets up to..

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908291)

I am not talking about that. I am talking about the accusation of Labour filibustering a debate on abuse which wasn't true.

This is what 'bias' comes down too. It takes a quick look at the running order of Parliament to find out what actually happened yesterday but people prefer Guido's version irrespective of the truth of it.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908292)

andrea ledsome complained of it in the house yesterday

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908291)

I am not talking about that. I am talking about the accusation of Labour filibustering a debate on abuse which wasn't true.

This is what 'bias' comes down too. It takes a quick look at the running order of Parliament to find out what actually happened yesterday but people prefer Guido's version irrespective of the truth of it.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908296)

Having complained so much about it they decided to waste time discussing other things. Call it what you like.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908033)

young gullible voters

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even if may is ousted there is no mandate for a general election the party will elect a new leader , there won't be any forming a new government , just a reshuffle of the existing one .

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908390)

Corbyn's voting cheats should PAY! Theresa May demands justice for student 'double-voting'


THE PRIME MINISTER has demanded that voting cheats are reported to the police and prosecuted amid growing evidence that student fraud could have significantly boosted Labour’s support in the election and stopped the Tories winning a majority.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-Corbyn-Labour


"It is illegal to vote in more than one location in a general election or in other national polls, such as a referendum.

"It's clearly explained on the poll card. Conviction carries a financial penalty.

"If anyone has evidence of an individual voting twice at the same election, they should report it to the local returning officer and to the police."

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908393)

A more sober report makes it clear the Electoral Commission find the reports troubling but, at the moment, there isn't 'rising evidence'.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908457)

Canterbury is going to be a place where they might struggle to hold onto the seat as it would require a consistently high turnout from students. Especially if the election were held out of term time.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35908459)

Source

Seems to be a few here that have also swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35908460)

You're right. What are the odds on an August / September snap election I wonder ?

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35908459)

Source

Seems to be a few here that have also swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35908609)

Vince Cable is to succeed Tim Farron as Lib Dem leader.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908615)

Bit bland although he was one of the few who warned about the oncoming crash in 2008

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35908459)

Source

Seems to be a few here that have also swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35908632)

No l certainly cannot but this one ain't much cop either as crime figures soar....:(

http://news.sky.com/story/police-num...ecade-10955205

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...or-theresa-may

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35908632)

No l certainly cannot but this one ain't much cop either as crime figures soar....:(

http://news.sky.com/story/police-num...ecade-10955205

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...or-theresa-may

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35908656)

Was the current home secretary in that position for the whole of period referred to in those figures?

If not then the deflection fails. ;)

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908643)

10% seems an awfully high jump in a year! :erm:

It's anecdotal but the moped thefts (people on the moped's stealing) seems to be reaching crisis levels in London over the last 2-3 years. Now acid attacks.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908631)

I was warning about it before 2008. ;) It wasn't rocket science that a big bust was on the way.

Anyway just in case anyone was tempted to think that Diane Abbott might have, at long last, got a grasp of basic figures pertaining to her brief we have this:

https://order-order.com/2017/07/20/d...numbers-gaffe/

Utterly inept.

Can anyone seriously imagine her as home secretary? :spin:

Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35908680)

You should have sent the governor of Bank of England and the world banks a heads up. ;)

As for Diane Abbott, i'd have to agree, she does keep scoring own goals. Can't see her lasting long.

Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35908680)

You should have sent the governor of Bank of England and the world banks a heads up. ;)

As for Diane Abbott, i'd have to agree, she does keep scoring own goals. Can't see her lasting long.

Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35908680)

You should have sent the governor of Bank of England and the world banks a heads up. ;)

As for Diane Abbott, i'd have to agree, she does keep scoring own goals. Can't see her lasting long.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35908758)

Sadly, DA not getting the maths is not newsworthy these days. She needs to be in a role where a good level of numeracy is not so necessary and I'm surprised JC hasn't moved here elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35908759)

We should be grateful that more students didn't vote twice or that vile creature would actually have a position of authority.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908762)

Again I don't think much of Abbot's competence in that role but think describing her, or most people, as a 'vile creature' is nasty and hateful.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35908765)

She is vile, another of the do as I say not as I do types that pollutes politics, whose righteous indignation is greater than the sum of her talent, total waste of space and pretty repugnant to boot

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35908846)

Who wouldn't if they have the money? However there is nothing wrong in trying to provide a level playing field for those who can't afford private education. If those with the money won't fight for those without what sort of world will we pass on to our children?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908860)

So after all the fuss Corbyn's just decided he didn't say/mean he'd pay off student debts despite the fact that that was the clear implication in what he said and none of his colleague did anything to dispel that notion before the election. Either he's lying or he was happy to deliberately mislead people into voting for Labour under a misapprehension of what was their policy. All this despite a number of post election comments by senior Labour figures who certainly didn't claim that it was all a misunderstanding.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-poli...f-student-debt

He's been caught out yet again. Making stuff up, promising to deliver what he knows he can't and now he's been rumbled and his broken 'promise' has gone viral he's in panic mode denying it all. Having stood at PMQ's so many times representing himself and his party as occupying the moral high ground, those of us who didn't already know it ought now to be able to see the truth about Corbyn.

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That's not the message Labour gives us when they're condemning the private education sector is it. They whine on and on about privilege ad nauseam whilst quietly enjoying plenty of it for themselves and their own. Principles? Yeah right.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908860)

So after all the fuss Corbyn's just decided he didn't say/mean he'd pay off student debts despite the fact that that was the clear implication in what he said and none of his colleague did anything to dispel that notion before the election. Either he's lying or he was happy to deliberately mislead people into voting for Labour under a misapprehension of what was their policy. All this despite a number of post election comments by senior Labour figures who certainly didn't claim that it was all a misunderstanding.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-poli...f-student-debt

He's been caught out yet again. Making stuff up, promising to deliver what he knows he can't and now he's been rumbled and his broken 'promise' has gone viral he's in panic mode denying it all. What exactly did he mean when he talked about 'dealing with' the problem of existing student debt then? At no point before the election can I recall him challenging all the questions about how much his 'pledge' was going to cost etc. on the basis that it had been misrepresented by his political opponents and the media. :rolleyes:

Having stood at PMQ's so many times representing himself and his party as occupying the moral high ground, those of us who didn't already know it ought now to be able to see the truth about Corbyn.

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That's not the message Labour gives us when they're condemning the private education sector is it. They whine on and on about privilege ad nauseam whilst quietly enjoying plenty of it for themselves and their own. Principles? Yeah right.

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35908877)

Someone will be along shortly to repeat for the umpteenth time that politicians from all parties lie, obfuscate etc etc etc ;) :D

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35908877)

Someone will be along shortly to repeat for the umpteenth time that politicians from all parties lie, obfuscate etc etc etc ;) :D

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35908877)

Someone will be along shortly to repeat for the umpteenth time that politicians from all parties lie, obfuscate etc etc etc ;) :D

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908880)

sadly i only know one person who uses the term obfuscate:)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35908887)

And the usual regular denials from the old reliables ;):D will start just after that if they have not already started.;):D

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My dear chap the classes are working then.;):D

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35909486)

Yet another Labour hypocrite who says one thing and does another:

https://order-order.com/2017/07/27/a...rammar-school/

... and people actually vote for this? :spin:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35909499)

I recall Harriet Harman was caught up in similar hypocrisy. They are full of bollocks.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909500)

All parties are to be honest are full of bollocks if one takes those slanted rose tinted glasses off for once.;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909500)

All parties are to be honest are full of bollocks if one takes those slanted rose tinted glasses off for once.;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909500)

All parties are to be honest are full of bollocks if one takes those slanted rose tinted glasses off for once.;)

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35909538)

LOL You couldn't help yourself Den :D

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35909539)

Ah, the old 'butwhatabout...' excuse...

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35909541)

Does anyone have a flea spray please? :sleep:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909547)

Honesty is often the best policy..:)

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l gather you disagree..;)

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A dragon would be the more preferable treatment for your good self according to the latest polls.;):D

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909576)

l am not defending anybody as how could frankly anybody defend the awful politicians we sadly have in this country currently whether they are the incumbent's or the opposition as a bit of balance is sadly lacking in some of the current affair threads and l am just stating the very honest point that they are both as bad as each other something which some on here from both sides politically sadly with their rose tinted glasses on don't want to see or hear.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909576)

l am not defending anybody as how could frankly anybody defend the awful politicians we sadly have in this country currently whether they are the incumbent's or the opposition as a bit of balance is sadly lacking in some of the current affair threads and l am just stating the very honest point that they are both as bad as each other something which some on here from both sides politically sadly with their rose tinted glasses on don't want to see or hear.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35909578)

So what's the alternative Den are you going to stand ? We've said before we'd vote for you ;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35909582)

l won't be standing Mr K as l am too coarse and blunt for some and one needs a more polished member of Cable Forum to come forward with their wide ranging encompassing political plans.:)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35909583)

ya called

i don't mind putting my totally unbiased and balanced views forward :angel:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35909596)

I see Venezuela is in the news today, it's falling apart, a stark reminder of what the UK would be under a Corbyn led government.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35909596)

I see Venezuela is in the news today, it's falling apart, a stark reminder of what the UK would be under a Corbyn led government.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35909609)

How unlike Labour to post fake news... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35909949)

I am very happy I'm not alone in feeling so strongly about this and hope this idea catches on and comes to pass

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/413111...tion-promises/

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35909949)

I am very happy I'm not alone in feeling so strongly about this and hope this idea catches on and comes to pass

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/413111...tion-promises/

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35909949)

I am very happy I'm not alone in feeling so strongly about this and hope this idea catches on and comes to pass

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/413111...tion-promises/

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35909953)

i'd vote for that it's time they were held accountable .

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35909975)

If you imprisoned MP's (or prospective MP's) or other officials for "breaking promises" you'd need an awful lot of prisons and electioneering would be really dull.

"If elected we promise (within certain degrees of agreed certainty) to do this (unless those degrees of uncertainty are exceeded wherein any promise made will be null and void). We will also (provided the policies aforementioned are implemented within designated time frameworks. (No promises made here should be taken as a "promise" other than that defined by the Election Parliamentary Promise Act, the Political Weaselling Redaction Act and any similar relevant legislation.)"