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I have no knowledge of who is to be rehoused, but as the illegals are to receive cash payments, even though they had no right to be in the country, let alone in the tower block, I'm just wondering if this generosity with taxpayers money will extend to being rehoused too.

The legitimate tenants will have passed the housing test, but the hangers on won't. It's well known that illegal immigrants or those whose asylum application has been refused are often helped out by those legally allowed to be in the UK.

Even those there legally and being paid for by NAS are bound to be resented by homeless London born people. Their rent is paid directly by NAS, no forms to complete or benefit caps to worry about. No two child limit as is now the case for British citizens. No Council Tax to worry about, landlords have to pay the bill on properties occupied by Asylum Seekers. Full use of the NHS, with no pesky prescription charges to worry about. Above all, they have somewhere to live!

There's been a bit of a furore at the local Jobcentre. Initially, the Jobcentre said that people would have to sign on and look for work as normal, however, after complaints they have agreed to give people leniency.

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in my opinion, at this time it doesn't matter what status they are. They have been through a truely horrific experience and may have lost friends and family. They need re housing, help in getting themselves sorted out materially and mentally. After that the authorities can determine who should and shouldn't have been there.

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Two good article's here from fire experts.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...k-tower-blocks

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/london-...pert-1.4163560

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So as I keep saying, the insulation is the real problem and there are no signs of that being removed on other buildings, eg Premier Inn, Brentford(same stuff used there). Just because there was a change to the make and type of rainscreen panels, the focus has been misdirected on them.

From the published plans, although there may be later unpublished ones, the regulations may not may been properly followed. From the list of the planning documents the full overcladding plans were deleted some time ago. Even if the plans were incorrect, I would have expected enough other people with routine experience of installing the cladding, to have some idea about the regulations and see that they might not have been followed at the time.

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It is true what the residents are saying though. It does take a disaster and loss of life for anything to happen, or anyone to take notice. Same with the ferry disaster in 1987, where 193 died before they thought they'd better make safety improvements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Her...ree_Enterprise

Safety improvements usually cost money, which is where it usually stops, until a disaster.

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one of the main problems is where do you put the tenants while a tower block is being brought up to standard .

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they seem to have found somewhere to put the Grenfell residents now, always ways and means.

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pure luck that those flats are available rehousing 5-600 people isn't that easy in London or any city these days

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Indeed it is not easy rehousing that amount generally.

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It's pure chance that they were available but there'll always be those who believe there's plenty of empty housing just ready to be occupied in London.

Yes it'd be just like the money grabbing landlords to leave properties empty in large numbers and miss out on all that cash they spend night and day trying to accumulate at the expense of society. :rolleyes:

They're only interested in capital growth we're told. Yeah right, rents in C London are huge and nobody in their right mind is going to leave large numbers of rentable properties empty for very long.


Meanwhile, back on safety. Last night IIRC I heard an interview with a tenant of another block who confirmed that they'd removed the fire door in their kitchen because it was a pain and got in the way. I can understand that, fire doors are often a pain (as are smoke alarms when they go off every time you make toast) until there's a fire and they save your life. I wonder how many residents in other tower blocks have, for one reason or another and possibly without fully realising the risks either removed or disabled other essential safety equipment. Worryingly, the young lady concerned told the reporter that they'd had a safety inspection and no safety issues had been raised with her regarding the missing door... :shrug:

If we're going to get serious about tackling fire risks due to stuff like cladding or resulting from poorly undertaken updating works, surely we're going to have to revisit the abuse of regulations by residents and others with access to these buildings. We all know it happens and people are quick to complain when those who're not really capable of looking after themselves safely are housed in blocks such as these but what about those who wilfully or otherwise break the rules and thereby expose everyone else to serious risk?

It seems a faulty fridge was what caused the initial fire but it could equally have been something totally irresponsible that a resident did. Such are the emotions right now that it's impossible to imagine anyone wanting to point out the role residents have in ensuring that all safety related matters are adhered to in such blocks but it is important and we mustn't lose sight of it in the rush to apportion blame in this case. Inspections clearly need to be made more frequent and more rigorous but no matter how often they're done, the residents have to be made fully aware of the risk factors and act responsibly in observing the rules.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40380584

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Manslaughter charges against whom?

The fridge manufacturers?

There is, as far as I can tell, been no evidence of a crime committed as yet.

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I just watched that press briefing by the MET spokesperson, when she revealed about the manslaughter charges, a colleague of hers said "That's enough", and the briefing ended quite abrupt. I was thinking perhaps she revealed something more than she should.

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151 homes? There were 127 flats. 120 in the original layout and 7 added as part of the renovations.

Flammability is NOT the issue. By themselves the products are known to be flammable. The REAL issue is whether any fire is contained to the one flat and not spreading to others. That is meant to be the emphasis in the design.
Be interesting to know if anybody has done tests using PIR insulation boards and comparing FR(which still contain PE) and PE type external cladding boards. Either they would show that selecting FR or PE would make little difference, or that only FR boards should be used with PIR insulation.

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I didn't hear that but must admit, what I heard from her on the radio didn't sound very confident.

I imagine the police won't be wanting anyone connected with their investigations to be unfairly accused or will not want to say/do anything which might compromise a future legal case. That's standard practice so if this was a bit of a lapse her senior officers will be wanting to take it up with her urgently.

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could be the cladding being inferior and dangerous but could that be proved as the cause ?

the fridge set on fire what combustible's where in the vicinity could it be user error .

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Inferior?
If the images on ITV news are anything to go by, the design or installation of any insulation was at fault. One of the buildings shown, had insulation with no fire barriers between floors.

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IIRC manslaughter has to be via the result of gross negligence so it's unlikely to involve a honest mistake from a person.

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it went up in flames at an alarming rate - i bet it's not supposed to do that hence inferior

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i read that the fridge is being investigated [how ] there cant be much left to look at

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All courtesy of the taxpayer...

The only reason I think that we should be helping those not entitled to be there is to obtain an accurate body count, so that those responsible can be properly dealt with.

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Presumably to see if there is a safety issue that would require a recall.

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It SPREAD at an alarming rate. That will be due to the design of the installation. The insulation is expected to burn, but not to spread beyond that section. The plans indicate a pretty much uninterrupted continuous surround of the insulation. That allowed it to spread.

Another building shown on ITV news was a clear example of a system not being designed and/or installed, in line with the recommendations.

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Really? So no compassion/support at all for someone who may have lost his/her children/ mother/father/partner in the most horrific way as in your mind, they shouldn't have been there in the first place?

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Camden flats to be evacuated over cladding.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40389148

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They don't need to be rehoused whilst the blocks are being brought up to standard, there's plenty of budget hotels, travel lodges etc all over town they can stay at, they might even get a discount for bulk booking like my housing association apparently got when the block of flats I lived in exploded in January

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I am sure that more fire safety high rise blocks will be found.

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But this is London in the summer we're talking about?

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Yeah there's loads of spare long term capacity in London's hotels right now. :rofl:

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Where do you think I live? It's a big city and you won't find many tourists if you go east to west ham, leytonstone, Wanstead, Ilford etc but you will find a lot of premier inns and the like

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Premier Inn urgently reviews cladding

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/busines...views-cladding

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:shocked:

Probably best they don't stay there then

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Not this time of season for 6 weeks or longer.

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Camden. Solid Labour territory. Perhaps it's now time for Corbyn to apologise for his party turning peoples homes into death traps?

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So as it persuades people to actually take the issue seriously then all the better if it's Labour to blame. Who really cares so long as the issue is addressed and those responsible held to account?

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I merely point this out as Corbyn's been playing politics with this. He should have known better.

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It's a political event, this is social housing so the local and national governments are ultimately responsible.

That said I think Camden council are being a bit dramatic here. It's been there for years so why evacuate them at 8:30pm? I don't know what they found but it's clear it's most be worse than just cladding there.

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It sounds like there were multiple issues with the flats that were evacuated. These would have voided any insurance policies. If an incident had occurred, the Council would have been asked to explain why they did not evacuate more quickly.

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Fine but then what the hell have fire inspections being doing for the last few years?! Were there even any?

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It's not just tourists who stay in hotels. Premier Inns have lots of business people staying during the week plus people visiting friends and relatives.

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Totally agree.

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Cuts saw to the considerable amount of fire inspections being cut or delayed.

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Premier Inn have far more capacity actually around the Christmas period then this time of year as the next few months are their busiest period as one would expect.

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They can't know the hidden internal structure and materials of the building. Their focus about structure and materials will be aimed at internal walls to limit spread of any fire to neighbouring flats.

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'Resentful' Kensington resident says she'd move OUT if Grenfell Tower survivors were re-housed free in block where she 'pays £15,000 a year' after plans to move them into £2bn luxury complex

Donna cited her high council tax and her service charge bill of £15,500 - before saying she would resent people who would not be expected to pay to live there.

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I believe they're going to the 'affording housing' section of flats which would not have access to the facilities the service charge pays for.

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it sounds like trying to make political gain on the back of a tragedy



Dozens of angry residents refuse to leave Camden estate evacuated over fire fears

A total of 83 households refused to leave their homes after Camden residents were evacuated amid safety fears.

Approximately 4,000 people have been displaced after 650 households were told to leave the Chalcots estate after firefighters said they "could not guarantee our residents' safety", Council leader Georgia Gould said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7805946.html

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I bet those residents that aren't concerned about it haven't been reported in the media.

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wrong again :)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mixed-response

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Reading the Guardian smurf! You'll get indoctrinated by the commies surely. Stick to the Fail if I were you ;)

From what the news said all tower blocks have unsafe cladding.

We if people knowingly puthe unsafe materials on buildings they need to go to prison, and have all their assets seized.

This will take years if not decades to fix.

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It's on buildings around the world.

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Is it unsafe?

Just because it's flammable doesn't mean it's unsafe. All buildings are full of stuff that's flammable, it all depends on how long it takes to ignite, how long it burns for and what other fire guards are in place.

How many buildings have timber cladding? Should we go a rip all that off too?

Hysteria and witchhunt is what we are experiencing now.

like most disasters I would expect that there was a multitude of things that went wrong to make the perfect storm that caused this.

To focus on the cladding and cause hysteria helps no one.

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Agree completely. It's nanny state gone mad and a massive over reaction.

Someone's curtains ignite, because it's next to a heat source like a TV or something, does this mean we ban all curtains?

Oh btw majority of people's roofs on their house is mostly timber, do we remove all the wooden supports?

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it's idiots like abbot making rash statements for nothing more than political gain on the back of this tragedy . this sparks overreaction and panic but that's what it was meant to do .



During her outburst Ms Abbott wrongly called the tower block Grenfell House and claimed it was 23 storeys tall.

Those hundreds of people died as a direct consequence of Tory attitudes
Diane Abbott
She told a Labour Progress conference: “Grenfell House is not just an accident, Grenfell House is not just an unfortunate incident.

“Those hundreds of people died as a direct consequence of Tory attitudes in social housing. The Tories think people in social housing are second-class citizens.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/820...ng-over-bodies

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Don't curtains have to meet certain fire safety standards to make them resistant to easily catching fire?

Here though isn't so much that fires can start, that can happen, but that it never should have spread so fast in a tower block. They're meant to be designed in such a way that fires are contained within the flats themselves for a while because as we saw last week if they're not contained there is little that can be done to stop the towers becoming a death trap.

You can't have 72 people dying because of one fire in one flat. It's not meant to happen.

So serious questions need to be asked as to how and why and then measures taken to stop it happening again.

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Yup I see both sides of the issue. But I read one guy was told he and his family would have to stay on inflatable beds for at least a month or two, in a sports centre. I can certainly see why some people are refusing to leave. Sadly, I see a court order being issued and they will be removed by force, if they continue to resist.

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l have no doubt that certain fire safety standards have to be met for curtains and other products but whether they are rigorously met is another matter.

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Yes they do, but Knee jerk reactions do not help.

What else also doesn't help is Corbyn and his ilk trying to turn this disaster into some kind of class war.

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BBC's Emily Maitlis accused of 'biased' Grenfell Tower fire coverage

VIEWERS have written to the BBC to complain that its coverage of the Grenfell Tower fire was biased against the Conservatives, as a leading Tory called on broadcasters to show more “patriotism”.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-may-interview

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I'm not a conspiracy theorist with one of those tinfoil hats.

but what's the betting that all these "evacuated" residents in these high rise flats don't get let back in. and they announce that they're going to demolish each and every single one of them. and all the previous tenants get moved out of posh London?

job done.

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Camden, Brent, Wythenshawe(Manchester),Barnet, etc posh areas?:confused:

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like these in Grimsby nothing wrong with them just emptied for demolition with no plans for the site apparently maintenence is too costly so 700 people kicked out .

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It will be posh when the riff raff have gone. they have more land to extend the posh areas.

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I think that's what the intention here is. they're going to say the cost isn't viable. with the amount of work and what not.

they'll just be scattered outside of London.

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Its not called posh Gary as they call it gentrification now.:)

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is that what you toffs call it ;)

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For humanitarian reasons we should allow them free access to the NHS until they are fit to travel, then they should be deported. As a gesture of goodwill because of what they may have been through, we could waive our right to prosecute/punish them.

Apparently, we haven't enough money for the NHS and are cutting benefits for our most vulnerable who have contributed to society and there isn't enough housing to go around.

We should rid ourselves of these illegal immigrants ASAP as they have no right to be here. This tragedy (which they wouldn't have been caught up in if they hadn't broken the law) doesn't change this.

As I said earlier, the only argument that I can see to do otherwise is to obtain an accurate body count.

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Don't call me a toff as there is no elegance or la-di-da's in my household as you will find me in crocs and casual summer shorts dear papa.;):D

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Nothing worse than a chav acting and talking posh. :)

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Chav well l have been called far worse in my lifetime Gary.:rofl:

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One good thing to come out of this tragedy is that Mays Government were going to relax fire safety regulations in schools!

After this incident, this is no longer going to happen (as per The Andrew Marr Show).

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give it 10 years when the memory fades away and it will slip back in again.

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The sprinklers in new schools was never a law/rule, just an "expectation". Also it is a relatively recent thing and aimed mainly at protecting the building.

Don't fully get the focus on tower blocks. Other buildings are still at risk. A 6 storey building could just as easily be destroyed by having the insulation.

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I suppose the thinking is that the higher up you are, the less chance you have of getting out safely.

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The distance from 1st floor to 6th floor is the same as from 6th to 11th or indeed from 11th to 16th. If a fire starts on the 1st floor it can still spread quickly up to the 6th with the insulation. The issue is the rapid spreading of fire. At Grenfell the fire started on the 4th floor and they couldn't contain it. Buildings under 18m are just as unsafe.

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You still have more chance of escaping safely if you are lower down.
For starters you can jump out of a window and be reasonable sure you will live, not so when you are 20 storeys up.

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But that is not the reason for the 18m restriction. You are only expected to have to "jump" out from around 1st floor level. Higher than that and there has to be a safe "corridor" to escape.

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In the Grenfell fire, there was evidence of people knotting sheets up and making ropes with them.

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Thankfully we are right at the bottom of the 4 story block but l would still be very concerned about those on the first floor upwards still as half of them are elderly with a plethora of medical conditions and all the restrictiveness that comes from that.

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I never found out if the guy found doing that on video survived or not. I am not sure how practical the idea is, can knotted bed sheets sustained the weight of a grown man assuming it's well secured at the other end? If it did then theoretically he seemed low enough down that he could descend to a height whereby the drop wouldn't kill you.

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IIRC the Mythbusters did this when proving jail-break methods.

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There was an eye witness that was interviewed after the event that claimed to have done that. Said he tied sheets together and climbed out and his wife handed over their child to him. Don't know if it was actually true though. It would have been very dangerous. In part to the pieces of the cladding falling down.

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Government fire investigators reported cladding 'risks' in 2016.

http://news.sky.com/story/government...-2016-10928193

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In a situation like that people will take any risk to escape. Would it have been more dangerous than staying put?

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You mean this bit?

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Providing the recommendations have been followed. There is supposed to be a fire break installed in the cladding between floors to prevent upward spread of fire.

If this was done at Grenfell or not is a matter of conjecture but will come out in the investigation.

Sales of the cladding have been stopped globally.

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Oh look it appears 100's of fire doors were found to be missing from some of Labour run Camden's tower blocks during recent safety checks. How could this possibly be? We've been told that the serious safety issues which have come to a head with the Grenfell disaster were somehow a Tory conspiracy to endanger the poor and needy and clearly no Labour council or government would ever do anything which endangered public safety... :rolleyes:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/26/h...camden-blocks/

What's Camden's excuse going to be I wonder. Typically the loony left hypocrites have nothing to say about their own failings but don't mind bandying around terms like 'murder' when Tories are the target...

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I'm sure the Camden labour party can fully explain how it was all the fault of the tory government and how they valiantly fought for the fire doors.

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Don't be silly Rizzy! It will never happen. Just ask the shadow home secretary!

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Maybe this is one of those issues where politicians aren't totally to blame (hard to credit I know). The greed of developers to use the cheapest materials and win contracts might have a part, but those politicians who have made decisions that have created such a market place, where residents health and safety doesn't rate highly, have to answer.

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These are properties owned by the council, they're responsible.

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what now you know it's a labour council

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I cannot see how the Government in power is resposible in any way.

Both Building Regs and Fire Regs are not imposed at the drop of a hat, they all take time.

It has been claimed that under present building regs the cladding should not have been used. IDK I'll await the enquiry result.

The blame game is totally disingenuous. The Government of today cannot be held responsible for the decisions of the Governments of the past. Governments have more to worry about than social housing, thats left to the local authorities under guidelines that may have been set years ago.

By all means blame successive Governments for not updating the guidelines in their term of office but to blame the present one is an anethama.

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No don't recall blaming any political side. If they are any to blame it would be in national govt. for putting councils under such cost pressure.

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Mod Edit. and it will probibly be starred out!


You know the rules so don't try and get around them.

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Grenfell cladding was changed to cheaper version, reports say
Documents seen by BBC show contractors were asked to fit aluminium instead of more fire-resistant zinc, saving £300,000

Cladding proposed for Grenfell Tower during a multimillion-pound refurbishment was changed to a cheaper, less fire-resistant version to make a saving of less than 4% of the final cost of the project, according to reports.

Documents seen by the BBC show contractors working for Kensington and Chelsea council were asked in 2014 to use aluminium cladding instead of zinc, to save £300,000. The wider refurbishment cost £8.6m

The leaders of Kensington and Chelsea council have been accused of shameful behaviour after shutting down the first cabinet meeting since the disaster after attempts to block the media from the hearing failed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-reports-say

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It's not so much the difference between aluminium and zinc but the selection of the cheaper of the two available aluminium ones with the poorer fire rating. The difference there was about £5k IIRC.

However there's still the issue of the insulation's fire resistance that's not even beeing tested at the moment and the tests that are being done are on the individual components of the aluminium cladding not the composite installed as intended. An interviewee on R4 Today programme this morning asserted that all the current testing was a waste of time and effort.

A bit like testing a lump of wood for flamability and then condemning all timber-framed properties when it catches fire. :dozey:

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SO WHAT. The insulation was the problem. Zinc is NOT more fire resistant the Aluminium. Zinc panels come in FR and PE versions, as do Aluminium ones. BOGUS ISSUE. The plans specified Celotex FR5000 insulation, but it was Celotex RS5000 that was finally used and from one particular source it is 70% MORE expensive. So where are these cost savings meant to be? How is supposedly saving £2/sq m on the cladding meant to mean anything if you spend around £23/sq m MORE on the insulation.

Well actually the FR(fire resistant) versions of the insulation AND cladding ALSO contain the same substance, just mixed in with other material(s). If would STILL give off toxic fumes.

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This is all bollocks.

The testing of the "cladding" is scaremongering.

They're testing the insulation within the cladding which is pointless you have to test the the composite cladding in its entirety.

If a fire door is rated to withstand for an hour, you don't strip off the outer skins of the door and then test it.

This is hysteria, started by the government fuelled by the media.

The enquiry needs to run its course but I would say ultimately the buck stops with the landlord until proven otherwise.

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Any landlord has to trust the designers. They can't be expected to be experts in design and materials.

The designers merely trusted the "headline" from the manufacturers that the insulation was ok to use above 18m, They didn't look to check specifically under what circumstances it can be used and assumed it could just be slapped on.

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They employ people to work with the architects and contractors, they are the client, they are in control of the specifications and the budget.

This statement is an example of why and where the hysteria, witch hunting and false accusations appear.

You have no evidence whatsoever to back up statement. No evidence whatsoever.

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Facts:- The manufacturers made claims that it could used above 18m. Suppliers reiterated that. It was even listed in the product selector part of the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) website. The design of how the insulation was to be used was bad, regardless of what type was used. I looked at the plans. No fire barriers between the window frames and the insulation.

From the Celotex website.
On the face of it, no reason to suggest it was the wrong product to use.

It is only when you read in further in another document you get this.
As for the suggestion of cost cutting being a factor, I also checked and compared prices. For one supplier as an example the FR5000 in the original plans would currently cost £755.32 for 23.04sq m but the RS5000 that was used(confirmed by the manufacturer) is £1282.65 for 23.04sq m. That is 70% more.