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You can have your own beliefs and also choose not to impose them on others. Sort of the point of being a liberal no?

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a man who repeatedly dodged the question and now to save his political career say's through gritted teeth he has no problem - bloody liar :td: homophobia is an ugly trait and not one a leader should nurture .

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Of course, but he has now pronounced publicly in contradiction of his faith.

Votes before anything. Shameful.

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homophobia now to top it off antisemitism



EXCLUSIVE: Lib Dems forced to suspend election candidate who compared Israeli prime minister to HITLER on Facebook and claimed Tory and Labour run by 'Zionist paymasters'

Ashuk Ahmed, 51 – who was given an award at the House of Lords for 'inspirational role models for British Muslims' – will no longer contest the seat, a Liberal Democrat spokesman confirmed.
Mr Ahmed posted a series of posts comparing Jews to Nazis, suggesting that Zionists controlled 'half the world' and claiming that Labour and the Conservatives were controlled by 'Zionist paymasters

there's a bad smell coming from this party

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Oh dear.

I can't undertand why Farron didn't just state the Christian teaching and add that all men/women are gifted with free will. It would have covered his belief but left choices open to others (whose votes he seems so keen to attract).

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it's just shameful that British politics has sunk to this level ,how anyone can vote for this lot is beyond me .

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It's a social service for the ditherers.

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He didn't want the question to open up I think. Now he's going to get it all: abortion, creationism, role of women etc. Naive of him to think this wouldn't be an issue when he took the leadership.

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why are liberal democrats allowing people like this to taint the party ? it's very damaging to their image .

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For sure. But we all know you get what's thrown at you; he should have too. I think a Clegg-style "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry" must be in the offing.

Their goose is cooked.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/04/2.jpg

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sorry he's been exposed maybe ,it wont wash he's tainted goods now .

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Really??!! :confused:

Just the other day I heard Dianne Abbott on LBC's afternoon show with Shelagh Fogarty claiming that they'd just held a wonderful shadow cabinet meeting and the highlight was Tom Watson's motivational speech on the importance of unity within the party...

:rofl:

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In a move which may disappoint some on here, Theresa May has ruled committing to keeping the state pension’s “triple lock”. Jeremy Corbyn confirmed Labour would retain it. annually.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7702721.html

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and rightly so people need to know what makes him tick

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I think she's refused to commit to the triple lock :erm:.

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The triple lock is rubbish policy anyway. I am guessing with the state of the opposition and the scale of their impending victory they're confident enough to give themselves more leeway on the budget.

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I think a lot of pensioners would forego the percentage increase if it meant those in public service, who have had pay freezes for years, would benefit; such is the altruism of our senior citizens. A double-lock would suffice anyway.

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ludicrous policy; it meant one section of society wasn't 'all in it together' with the rest of us ! Also the chancellor, wisely, wants to be able to raise taxes, which he's going to have to since the debacle of the national insurance climb down. They sound confident ( too confident ;) )

However the announcement on diesel cars has been postponed till after the election, wonder why ? 'Purdah' my backside !

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Let's not go back to the Farron gay sex discussion please ;).

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it's ok i'm not a liberal it's your right to do what you want with it :)

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ohh heck the partys full of them - lets hope there are no homophobes in the party that need sacking
Liberal Democrats
Tim Farron sacks Lib Dem candidate for 'offensive and antisemitic' remarks
Party leader bars former MP David Ward from standing in Bradford East because he is ‘unfit to represent the party’


The Liberal Democrats have barred the former Bradford East MP David Ward from standing again for the party, after Tim Farron said his comments about Jews had been “deeply offensive, wrong and antisemitic”.

Ward’s local party had chosen him to stand in Bradford East, the seat he held from 2010 until 2015 when he was ousted by Labour, but after criticism from Theresa May in the House of Commons and a meeting of senior Lib Dem officials, Farron said: “I believe in a politics that is open, tolerant and united. David Ward is unfit to represent the party and I have sacked him.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-antisemitism

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A serious case of hypocrisy.

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Agreed; a Christian cannot deny the teaching of the Bible. But the Bible also teaches that God loves the person committing the sin; it’s the sin God hates, and he wants everyone, with His help, to turn away from those sins and find forgiveness through Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross.

Given that, Christians have the right to say what the Bible teaches about Homosexuality (or any other sin) but they have no right, whatsoever, to express any form of hate towards people practising Homosexuality. After all, Christians are also sinners, saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39737981
Oh dear, seems the Govt. will have to tell diesel drivers the unpleasant truth before the election. Unless they can find some other legal loophole/excuse to delay the bad news. The courts seem to be providing the only opposition to the Govt. these days.

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Presumably all the parties will have to put forward a strategy of dealing with this problem and they'll all be unpopular with diesel owners :shrug:

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It's more the act of trying a hide a major policy decision which is going to affect a large section of the population until after the election. Unsubtle and beneath contempt. They are taking the electorate for muppets.

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well some ones a muppet


Labour 'made a mistake' promoting diesel cars as they are now 'killing people' claims former science minister as emissions scandal spreads

Labour should not have promoted diesel cars at the turn of the millennium as the emissions they produce are now 'killing people', a former science minister has claimed.

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I'm a ukipper but their race is done.Back to the tories for me and I also hope the snp get a shock to their system but,in Scotland they have control of the Scottish fiefdom just like labour used to have.

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What's interesting here is that Boris has a long association with the Daily Telegraph, so likely to be more than hot air
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...eral-election/

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It's not unusual for cabinet changes after an election when/if a party is re-elected.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...vage-mays-tax/
The problem with these right wing fat cats is that they'd rather have a few more pence off tax to make themselves even more obscenely rich. Never mind the NHS is failing and there are increasing level of child poverty; 'Penelope might only be able to afford one skiing holiday a year if we don't get yet another tax cut !' We're all in it together, not.....

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Well, considering that a sizeable minority are going to vote for Corbyn.......oops:

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In Corbyn's world they happen all the time... :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow..._Jeremy_Corbyn

He gets through Shadow Cabinet members like there's no tomorrow.

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Right now, I think the Conservatives could publish a Sainsbury's till receipt as their manifesto and they'd still win convincingly! :D

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I wondering when someone's going to challenge the validity of our poll because the Tories are being shown in red and Labour in blue. :D

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You can't trust polls - you should know that... :D

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That's a tad offensive isn't it?

;)

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Tylko jeśli twój polski

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But according to some Cable Forum polls are trusted far more them many of the others.;):D

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If Blair comes back Labour will be finished

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i think every one knows he's toxic

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He doesn't :D

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he's also delusional ;)

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well, the Conservatives haven't got a majority according to this poll so far..... :) (until some other mug to votes for more of the same ;) )

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They have sadly because 3% are abstaining...

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Spoilsport ;)

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General election 2017: UKIP leader Paul Nuttall to stand in Boston and Skegness

UKIP leader Paul Nuttall is to stand in Boston and Skegness in Lincolnshire in June's General Election.
Announcing his bid on Saturday, he said the seat voted "overwhelmingly" for Leave in the EU referendum last year.
The constituency, held by the Conservatives in 2015 with UKIP second, recorded the highest Leave vote, with 75.6% choosing to leave the EU.
Mr Nuttall said he would make it his "mission" to "ensure there is no backsliding on Brexit".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39756016

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Fifth time lucky?

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i think it will go con myself

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l doubt it..

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For once you might be right.;)

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It is not easy for people in Scotland , SNP I cannot stand, Labour not much encouragement from them, LB They are trying to stop Brexit, Greens are only skivvies for the Nats, Tory I have never voted for in my life, but they seem the strongest party, ? .? ?

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You can always hold your nose whilst placing that cross. :D

Least bad?

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Stay Con... ;)

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The people of Scotland voted the SNP in. They got what they wanted at the time purely because of the Labour party.

The Labour party are even more unelectable now so interesting times for Scotland..

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Personally l ain't enamoured by any of them as the only two things they are all good at are making promises and then breaking them.

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You have to vote for the party that shares your beliefs on the issues that you think are important. Someone shared this website before which checks your views against the parties' views. http://uk.isidewith.com/

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Ruth Davidson (leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party) is a very popular leader so will be giving the SNP a run for their money.

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Ukip pledge to scrap licence fee to punish ‘BIASED’ BBC and save families £400 a year

now that's a policy they could all adopt

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/798...t-paul-nuttall

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If it's £147 a year, how would it save an average family £400 every year?

It isn't explained in the article.

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no idea but the idea of scraping it is appealing

found this-- i'll leave you to work out the average spend on fish and chips based on vat saved

UKIP BATTER BEEB Ukip pledges to scrap VAT on fish and chips and axe BBC’s TV licence fee to save families £400 a year

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/344635...c-license-fee/

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It might be appealing but its totally unrealistic..

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why? it's a business if it can't survive on it's own sell it to some one who can make a profit .

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:tu:

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It's not a profit making business, it's a public service broadcaster. It means it doesn't have 20 minutes of adverts every hour and makes programmes that others won't because they're not profitable. It would just become a Sky clone going down market. Another in the 100s of crap cable channels, many of whom are showing repeats of BBC shows.

As for bias, all politicians try to bully the BBC. The main complaints this week have been complaints of a bias against Corbyn. A lot of their presenters have a Tory background bias e.g Kluennsberg /Nick Robinson. I'm not too worried about that as every is entitled to their own slant on things as long as it's broadly balanced out by others.

The BBC has had a lot of cuts, e.g BBC3; however the £13 a month it costs compares very favourably to other providers esp. since most of it is new/original. We'll be sorry when it's gone, like the NHS better keeping politicians away from it.

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Around a quarter of BBC revenues come from its commercial arm BBC Worldwide Ltd, which sells BBC programmes and services internationally and also distributes the BBC's international 24-hour English-language news services BBC World News, and from BBC.com, provided by BBC Global News Ltd.

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All of which go back into funding the BBC otherwise we'd be paying a much higher licence fee.

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And all the profits from BBC Worldwide get invested back into its broadcasting operations and as we all know its funding has been cut these past few years so l am glad that this has helped replace some of the funding lost from that..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Worldwide

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which proves it is capable of selling it's product world wide ,time to wean it off mummy's teat . those happy with giving the beeb money could invest in it's shares .

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Well that is your opinion about the BBC which l respect but the majority think rather differently.:)

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what majority :shrug: - link please

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I'm sure we've had this BBC debate many a time before even if UKip have now announced it in their manifesto.

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radio times readers :shrug: well of course they support it it's a bbc mag

do you have a real survey .


like this maybe
http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/money/m...11364061774699

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Strange that as you are quick to shout from the rooftops when a majority support your views and opinions but when it is the other way you seem to rather dismiss it.;)

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that survey you posted was from a closed community so had no relevance on the real world views of others ,i only posted the first poll i found to assist the debate ,if you feel you can do better please do .

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German company Hubert Burda Media owns the Radio Times, not the BBC.

I'm not sure that a poll of users of a money-saving website is a representative sample of UK voters, particularly when the sample size is not stated!

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It's a BBC mag, not a BBC mag, make you mind up Smurf!

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i have no idea what your saying here

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Agree.

The BBC is anti Brexit. Laura Kluennsberg is a very knowledgeable reporter, but her support for remain is obvious. I'm sure their news coverage is equally balanced. It's in the commenting on stories where the bias is easy to see. Also, Dateline London invites mainly pro remain guests, and without question anti Trump guests; the American guest always supports the Democrats. The 10:30pm paper review mainly has pro remain and anti Trump journalists as guests; it was a shock last night to see a Trump supporting journalist on.

The BBC's bias isn't overt; they're too clever for that; it's done more subtly done.

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A survey last year of over 1,023 people by Survey Analytics people found:
- 41% felt that licence fee was the best way to fund the BBC
- 29% feel that licence fee should be scrapped
- 28% felt it should be advertiser-funded in the same way that Channel 4 is
- 15% felt there should be a subscription fee

The full report can be accessed here.

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lol, you're 29 days too late with that comment! :D

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I think that if you look back over my previous posts, I think you will find that I have said it, way further back than 29 days ago.

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As she said, she cold have kept this quiet and just voted according to her conscience so a brave move.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3527316.html

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Other people in the country have a similar view. What makes her opinion so noteworthy? Is it because she has a famous brother? What makes that 'qualification' so special?


Will we be highlighting the views of the siblings of pop stars, film stars and footballers next? ;)


The BBC chose her to guest on Marr just for a bit of controversy.

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did they sell it for profit or just give up the rights ?

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It's newsworthy for at least two reasons:
- She's got two Conservative ministers as siblings : Boris Johnson and Jo Johnson (Minister of State for Universities and Science)
- She's a famous columnist and writer.

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BBC sells Radio Times as part of £121m sell-off
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14548951

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Famous?

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It might even make me vote kipper again but sadly it's just a headline grabber they know they won't have to commit to

Oh yes, 13 quid or zero pounds, that does compare very favourably, it's straight out of the Gordon Brown school of fiscal/ financial calculations

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More well known than famous.

Writes columns for a lot of the broadsheets, contributing Editor for the Spectator, compered Have I Got News For You, written quite a few books.

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True, but he would get a bigger turnout than Jeremy Corbyn!

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Dismantling the NHS? How? Are you referring to that layer of bureaucracy (the Primary Care Trusts) that nobody seems to have missed since the Conservatives abolished them and put the savings back into hospitals?

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Sad but true.

They'd rather vote for a lying, multi-millionaire, property magnate and renowned champagne socialist than a sad 1970's political throwback. Not much of a choice though.

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I think he's referring to the staffing problems, which are greatly being exacerbated by Brexit, the longest financial squeeze and biggest crisis in the NHS's history, coupled with an increased demand from an ageing population. The Tories are sitting on their hands and quietly letting it die, secure in the knowledge that private healthcare is there for them whilst the plebs can suffer, and they can reap the financial rewards from their friends in the private sector.
The Royal College of Nursing are voting on strike action, something they have never even contemplated before, I suggest they choose June 8th for a day of action. It'll be interesting to see whether the Govt. can persuade the public, that the nurses are the same as militant miners.

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Tony Blair wants to 'get his hands dirty and return to POLITICS in Brexit battle'


his hands are still dirty from the Iraq war it'll take a lot of scrubbing to get all the blood off those hands ,any hoo toxic tone want to " shape policy" ,i look forward to the carnage and chaos that this nutter can inflict


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/798...beral-Democrat

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Source

How many jobs and investment will that cost? This isn't "free" money and you can bet prices will soar to cover it.

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it's easy to make pledges when you know you can't win and will never have to act on them

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Twas ever thus with Labour wasn't it. The message and MO has never really changed - spend, borrow, tax, spend, borrow, tax, spend spend spend until finally you get booted out.

PFI provided them the last opportunity to rack up a vast amount of debt and look what the supposed anti-privatisation party did with that. Their cynical spending splurge is going to cost us dear for decades.

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Indeed its certainly is easy to make pledges when you know you can't win but its also easy to make pledges when one does win and not keep to them either.:)

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... and the PM has refused to make a pledge not to raise taxes.

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She's pledged not to increase VAT. Big deal anyway seeing it's at its highest ever rate, introduced by the Tories in 2011, despite promising not to do so. Also irrelevant since she's left the door open on other taxes. Brexit is going to cost and guess who's going to pay?

tbh the public also aren't really honest on taxes. They say they want increases funding for the NHS etc, but then vote for parties giving them tax cuts...

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The staffing problems are caused by the massive increase in demand for the NHS, which is fuelled by uncontrolled immigration.

I think people are getting fed up with people who are constantly advocating that we keep tipping barrowloads of extra money into the NHS, which badly needs to go on an efficiency drive.

Most people also don't want to see the NHS dismantled, and that includes the Conservative Government, which is putting more money into the NHS than Labour was prepared to do after the 2010 election. The constant bleating by left wingers that the NHS is safer under Labour is manifestly untrue, a fact that more people, at last, are beginning to realise now.

Brexit will eventually enable us to control immigration, and in my view, this should be coupled with inducements for those with the means to use private health providers instead of the NHS in order to reduce demand. That, together with better control over who gets to be treated at A&E and extended hours for surgeries should help hospitals to cope better, but much more needs to be done to make the service run more efficiently.

Labour controlled councils that fail to work with hospitals to avoid bed blocking should be ashamed of themselves. The Government needs to do something to incentivise them!

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It's not at all irrelevant. Are you forgetting that VAT increases directly impact the poor, whereas income tax is not paid by the poorest, thanks to a Conservative Government?

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Also remember that V.A.T rises were required by the EU to establish an EU wide rate so not just down to our poor quality politicians.

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I don't think this is right in practice. For example, in France, there are four rates of VAT in France (2016):[LIST]
2.1% Special rate - applies to medical drugs reimbursed by the French social security. TV licences, the sale of live animals, press publications and certain entertainment events.
5.5% This applies to food, water and non alcoholic beverages, books, special equipment for the disabled and school canteens, some entertainment events and some domestic personal services.
10% This applies to restaurants, transport, renovation/improvement works and certain medical drugs.
20% This is the standard rate.

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It is an EU policy and goal and our politicians have been the ones implementing it whilst other nations have ignored it and done whats best for them it's one of the minor reasons why I'll be happy to the back of the EU.