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Maybe we'll get a weekend off... :D

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Don't be silly, remoaners don't take time off!:D

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Just like Brexiteers, who complain about Remain voters 24/7.

Sore winners.. ;)

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Well we've had Blair crawling out from under his stone so it wasn't going to be long before Mandelson did likewise.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39020252

These people typify the Eurocrats who refuse to listen to anything they don't want to hear. They're only interested in democracy when it yields what they and they want.

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24/7? Is that a fact? :)

By and large it's not Brexiteers who're continually challenging and questioning the process parliament agreed to and it's not Brexiteers who're claiming the other side didn't know what they were voting for. We're just responding to those who are so there's a lot to be done. ;)

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Unfortunately for you I'm not a sore winner and I do take time off as I know it's going to happen no matter what.

I don't feel the need to to put forward suggestions like "soft Brexit" as I know it doesn't exist under the terms of A50. But then again I'm not clutching at straws, I'm quite happy.

I'd also be quite happy for a transition period if that will make remoaners happy, it's the nearest they'll get to "soft Berxit".

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Let's hope things don't turn out this way. Google the headline for full article.

EU negotiators push back on Brexit trade talks until next year
Source: https://www.ft.com/content/4466ffbc-...e-68d53499ed71

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Article 50 rules out any soft break away and as for a transitional agreement that's a dead duck too because the whole 27 nations of the EU will not agree to it, like it or not hard brexit is what will happen and i have no confidence any agreement will be reached because of internal issues in the EU. Before anyone asks or suggests i voted leave on the basis of the above and that it would create problems for the UK for the next 5-10 years after leaving the EU. Recent things have changed my mind on the period of hardship for the UK and I'm still very happy with my leave vote and am now more confident of a more prosperous future for the UK outside of the EU.

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A bit misleading as May wanted rights of expats to be decided now (not just UK ones either).

The trade talks they refer to are only those with the EU and will hurt them perhaps more than us.

Your pessimism knows no bounds.

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nope he's back in bold oh doom oh gloom oh despair oh heck;)

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I've not written the article, I've just provided a link to it as it looks like an important development. As Papa Smurf would say, such articles don't necessarily represent my views.

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By pessimism I was referring to the fact that the majority of your links to "articles of importance" are continuously of the ""Doom and Gloom" type.

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Leave voters would be quiet if it wasn't for remainers who have started court cases, insist that we don't really know what we were voting for etc, etc. So it's a bit rich to complain about brexiteers being sore winners!

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I'm still waiting for a bold positive from him, have we had one yet?

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It takes all sorts to make a forum Papa.;)

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Whether one agrees with Andrew or not he is entitled to put his side just as much as others are entitled to put their side as l am sure you don't want a forum made up of members who all agree with each other.:)

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I want a hard brexit

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But enough of your Saturday nights......:D

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Like Papa Smurf, I've explained that links to newspaper articles I make do not necessarily represent my views. The newspaper articles I select represent key developments in Brexit.
There's no logic that dictates that 50% of articles will be positive and 50% negative. Posting like this would not make a poster unbiased, it would make them unrepresentative of Brexit developments.
But if you look at the article that I posted before the most recent one "Irish PM calls for Brexit transition deal, warns against punishing UK" I'm sure many Brexiters would have found it encouraging. ;)
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=168

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Andrew, I have no problem in you expressing your view and the stance you may wish to take, that is what freedom is about and reasoned discussion is to be welcomed.

What it appears (rightly or wrongly) you are doing is just "cherry picking" news reports postulating nothing but the downside of Brexit with the odd positive one.

You don't even attempt to discuss the issues of the reports you post.

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Well said Pip

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Don't you love tabloids, they absolutely will not repeat the same word twice in a paragraph unless it really it really, absolutely cannot be helped, tasty treats, grub etc

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That's good Andrew (I did have to do a double take to check that it actually was you ;))


But to be fair, I think you've posted one positive article against goodness knows how many negative articles.


But it's important to look at the publishing source of these articles.


Expect the Mail and the Express to publish pro Brexit articles and organisations such as FT and the BBC to feature anti Brexit articles. Multinational organisations such as Google and Facebook, will, pretty much always, have an anti Brexit stance; it's not a coincidence, that they are also anti Trump

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So the FT puts forward it will take longer than 2 years to reach a deal. Article 50 says otherwise.

LINK

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Ha ha, I was expecting you to report to the mods that may account had been hacked :) But in all seriousness, I would honestly state that I don't pick bad news stories and that the stories I select are representative of the state of play of Brexit at the moment. Even the keenest Brexiteers have stated that we're in for a rough ride for the next five years or so. So even they should expect a high proportion of negative news.

The Mail, The Express and The Sun are discredited sources so caution should be used when reading their articles.
The Mail is no longer trusted by Wikipedia
The Express was found to be wrong when it said house prices had risen after the Brexit vote when the data it used covered the month before the vote.
The Sun was censured for incorrectly stating that 1 in 5 British Muslims have sympathy for Jihadis
With regard to Google and Facebook, they're more platforms than news sources themselves.
I look at a wide variety of sources and post articles from reputable sources like The Daily Telegraph, Reuters, Sky News, Financial Times, BBC and The Guardian. I won't venture my opinions of these sources as I think we'll go off on a big tangent. :)

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My reading of the article was that 2017 is reserved for negotiating the leaving element then after that a trade deal can be considered. Where does the FT talk about two years? I'm not saying it's not there, but I can't find it.

The €60bn is also an issue that has not been given much prominence by the media but is a figure we'll be hearing more of this year.

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OK 21Mths then.

60bn is just a figure that's been thrown about at the moment and up to present has no factual basis. Not saying it won't be true.

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Understand where you're coming from. The two years you linked to refers to a country leaving the EU. A trade deal with the EU is a separate process so wouldn't necessarily fall withing the two years - though the UK hopes it will.

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They're probably right, It only takes one bolshie republic to put the kibosh on all the rest, ask the Canadians, they had a 7 year deal fall over because of a small part of Belgium.

Hard Brexit it is then, 2 years on the dot we just shrug and go WTO tariff.

It's not CMD at the helm now, just go in with that hard brexit front and centre and see what happens, whatever we do, don't show a whiff of fear to them.

They have much more on their plate than we do, with failing economies, migrants coming out of their backsides etc etc, they need us very much more than we need them, and they know it and hopefully they'll know that we know they know it.

Bring it on.

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No, at the end of 2yrs everything finishes and it's hard Brexit unless not only the other 27 but the UK as well agree to continue negotiations.

The only way I can see around it is for all EEA trading rules to stay in place pending trade negotiations being concluded. Will the EU agree? I think not because free movement is inextricably linked to it.

WTO rules will then apply. Not good for either party so gives impetus to a deal of some sort to be brokered within 2yrs even if it is only an interim one.

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I strongly suspect some kind of interim deal will be agreed. I know that techguyone criticised Belgium for holding up the Canada deal "It only takes one bolshie republic to put the kibosh on all the rest" but that's their sovereign right. I expect that the EU27's parliaments will want to similarly sign off any trade deal with the UK as well.

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It had to happen. Interesting times for the coming week. What power do they think they have?

I know it's the Guardian but...

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The power to get themselves abolished, with a bit of luck

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Linky

EU gravytrain peers. :rolleyes:

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An ingenious European lawsuit could finally provide a realistic way to stop Brexit
https://qz.com/906547/an-ingenious-e...tm_source=qzfb

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Absolute rubbish. Andrew, you need to stop it with the fantasy stories. Brexit IS happening.

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I don't have any fantasty stories Mick. And I'm not asking people to agree with the protagonist. This is a link to a news item. I think it's of interest to the thread's readers.

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Then instead of just posting clickbait stuff for 'discussion' why don't you add your own comments on the articles you post, it's annoying you just posting mainly negative stuff then letting us get on with it, you're not a teacher setting us a subject and then saying 'discuss' it's a forum, so don't just copy & post, comment.

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Fair point. I do normally put a comment before any articles but work got in the way on this occasion.

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I hope the peers do have input to the debate. The fact they don't have to worry about reelection or popularity means they "CAN" (emphasise "CAN") provide input and insight that those elected may be more reluctant to bring up.

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With Corbyn dead behind the wheel, we strongly need some independent oversight on the process.

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As I posted above many peers are beholden to the EU for income and their pensions. Turkeys don't vote for Xmas.

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and you honestly think that the peers are the people for the job? :D

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The House of Lords is an essential part of our sovereignty providing useful checks and balances. Obviously, I'd prefer it if Tony and Tim had the final say on A50 as I think they're the best people for the job. :D

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Surely you mean that Tony and Tim were finally tied up and left on the A50.

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Gets my vote. :tu:

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Ahh, one T nobody's ever heard of and one that everyone wishes they'd never heard of ;)

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BoE Gov, Mark Carney, finally admits 'Brexit could be smooth after all.'

http://news.sky.com/story/carney-eye...rates-10776321

Finally a believer that there is light at the end of the tunnel, none of this doom and gloom crap.

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He'll be right about interest rate ones day too.

Trouble and doom is far better for the media since it enables them to investigate, report and rehash all sorts of awful possibilities and thereby stir up a whole load of fear, panic and protest which they can then report on as well. There's a big difference between responsibly reporting news and creating news or circulating speculation and I feel there's rather too much of the latter going on these days. It doesn't just apply to the Brexit and Trump stories either because these organisations are always in need of something to report even if it amounts to sensationalising nothing more than hearsay.

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It defies all logic to me why Scotland, or shall we say the foolish SNP, want to remain on the bloc with 27 other EU Countries but become Independent, stupidity knows no bounds.

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EU grants? :dunce:

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But it would have to probably adopt the Euro, it certainly will not be allowed to maintain British Sterling as it's currency. It would probably also lose all it's UK Grants, which could be substantially more that what the EU gives.

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And how does that pan out in Wales Taf which receives huge amounts of EU funding and yet voted to Leave?

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The Welsh are more realistic and aren't living in an SNP dream world?*... ;)

* To be fair the the Scots, they did reject that 'dreamworld'.... just... so there is some common sense up there. :)

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So the penny has finally dropped. If they do get another (highly unlikely) Independance referendum which is successful, they will be treated no differently to any other country that applies for membership.

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Sturgeon et al have been a bit quiet about this haven't they?

Maybe the EU's thinking the last thing they need is to admit a tail which likes to wag the dog into their club. :)

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The EU is a rather large dog though. :D

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So the SNP's pipe dream has been exposed for what it was. It's not looking that good is it - laughable economic projections, retaining Sterling, retained EU membership blah, blah, blah...

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Interesting development but if there was any overspending I don't think the organisations exist any longer for any fines etc to be levied.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39075244

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Do the figures include Mr Cameron's £9m taxpayer-funded Remain booklet?

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See, whenever a remoaner says something like "you brexiteers are such poor winners. Don't you know that you've won? I don't know what you lot are so worried about" :blah:
......This is the kind of thing that makes us worry and makes me want to shove their heads down a toilet and flush it

:dozey:

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Gina Miller demands Lords show 'backbone' in changing Theresa May's Brexit Bill on eve of critical debate




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7599456.html

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Gina was with Andrew Marr this morning. I think she's actually doing damage to her cause every time she opens her gob. I hope we see more of her.

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People should not be surprised that, Heseltine and Mandelson are leading the pro Remain group in the Lords; both have Bilderberg links. In the Commons Ken Clarke voted against A50; another person with links to the globalist Bilderberg Group.

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Mandelson has all sorts of 'links' - including that from which his very generous home loan came, enabling him to buy a very swanky house otherwise out of his financial reach*. That aside, being on the in the House of Lords and EU gravy trains simultaneously is very nice 'work' for the privileged few and enables them to assist their even richer mates. Why would these people want to bite the hand that feeds them?

* https://www.theguardian.com/century/...112756,00.html

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Former Conservative PM launches broadside at Theresa May's Government .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...uld-mean-cuts/

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Silly old fool should go back to watching cricket and drinking warm beer. Yesterday's man, yesterday's ideas.

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I remember John Major on the Marr show during the referendum. Marr just let Major carry on with his anti Brexit spiel, virtually interrupted. He was followed by Boris, who Marr seemed to interrupt pretty constantly. There was no doubt about the way Mar, at that time, was going to vote in the referendum.

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Sensible down-to-earth bloke. I'd happily buy him a beer if we were in the same pub.

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The Telegraph missed out the best part of his speech IMO:

Anyway this kind of thing will happen for a while. At least we're less than a month away from Article 50 been issued so we can get on with the real discussion and deal making and not this limbo.

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Well we all know Brexit is happening but John Major is a pretty moderate conservative who generally talks a lot of sense.

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Now that is a surprise ;):D

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Exactly. When he says "Obstacles are brushed aside as of no consequence, whilst opportunities are inflated beyond any reasonable expectation of delivery." we need to listen.

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:D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyAMBd_AC_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK-TDfempwY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1l1XGiXgo0

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Just who does he think views the obstacles to leaving as being without consequences and what did he have to say about the consequences of staying? Patronising or what...

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BREAKING: Lords vote AGAINST Staying in Single Market once we leave EU!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-single-market

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I'm all for a clean break. If there's any vestige of our membership left in tact treasonous remoaners will work behind the scenes to showly sneak us back in. It's the same "mission creep" that suckered us into the EU in the first place.

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I could not agree more

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Jeez, try to be a bit more OTT why don't you :rolleyes:

By "treasonous remoaners" I take it you mean people with differing views to yours. Whilst I voted to leave I refuse treat those who voted differently with your level of undemocratic hostility, it's pathetic and achieves nothing

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Agreed. I find such OTT behaviour very bizarre.

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I would not use "treasonous remoaners" as a description for any member of the 'remain' public voters, and the vast majority of the remain politicians, but the phrase is applicable to certain politicians, such as Tony Blair and Ken Clarke who are out and out globalists and want to see the elimination of the British sovereign state.


The essence of heero_yuy's post is spot on; the EU will never give up trying to drag the UK back into the Federal States of Europe. It is imperative that we have completely clean break from the EU laws.

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I wouldn't rule out another referendum in the future. Could be 40 years' time or it could be sooner if people feel that Brexit has left the country sidelined on the world stage and poorer economically. It's all a big unknown!

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That is of course "if" your "doom and gloom" proves to be correct.

Think it'll happen when this country starts prospering again?

All this assumes of course that the EU is still in existance in it's present form.

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There will be no EU as we currently understand it, 40 years from now.

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lol, the country is prospering at the moment - record employment levels, second highest-growing economy in 2016 after Germany. There is inequality and it's up to the UK Government to sort this out. There are clouds on the Horizon with businesses relocating thousands of staff overseas (eg HSBC, UBS, Medicines Regulator). Car factories like Vauxhall and BMW are certainly in a weaker position than they were before the vote. But I accept that some people think this is a price worth paying.
Compare the present day economy to our pre-EU/EEC days with high inflation and high unemployment and an uncompetitive economy and you appreciate the strides the country has made with the benefit of a large free trade bloc which increased competition in the UK and drove weaker companies into the ground.
I can't predict the future. The fall of the iron curtain and the Eastern bloc was certainly unpredicted and has impacted Europe in a significant way. People have been predicting the fall of the EEC/EU since it was formed and they have not been proved right. The bond between France and Germany will probably ensure some kind of EU in the future and there is great enthusiasm for it from eastern European countries who want the security away from Russian influence that it provides.

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Well l will be in my wooden box by then so l will let you and the forum members argue over that.;)

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And I would only say 10% of that time, if the French elect Marine Le Pen, as their President and she takes her Country out of the EU.

The EU needs to end and diminish and die quickly, it is a corrupted pile of garbage, a hell hole and still does not make sense why people want to be associated with it or remain in it.

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Utter nonsense, you have Eastern EU citizens flocking here mainly from Romania, Bulgaria. Most do not work and just scrounge from the benefit system, This may be prosperous to them but not us when they're robbing and stealing from UK Nationals. Only the other day, my sister was telling me about one of her friends being approached by two Romanian women, they employed distraction tactics to try pickpocket her, but she knew their game they were playing and just pushed their hands away.

It was a massive mistake allowing Romania to join the EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...oners-EU-jails

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It will certainly be interesting to see what happens if Le Pen wins. Paddy Power put her at 2-1 to win.
Would she hold a referendum to leave the EU or would her election win be sufficient?

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I think we sometimes underestimate the emotional attachment to the concept (as opposed to the institution) on mainland Europe. I remember reading an article that speculated that one of the reasons for German reluctance over free movement was the experience of West/East Germans. There are many people in Europe now for whom the cold war isn't that long ago.

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Is that really true though?

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Most do work Mick, there is no automatic entitlement to benefits when people move to another EU country. People can be sent back if they do not have the means to support themselves financially and this does happen. Liverpool recently sent back some street beggars.
Whether allowing Romania to join the EU or not is a different debate but maybe one you feel more comfortable with than with discussing the increased prosperity membership has brought the UK.
https://www.ft.com/ or google "What has the EU done for the UK?"

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No ta I'm busy cutting my toenails it's more rewarding. :D
Nitwits like Moaning Major have had their (grey) day and thankfully people with more vision and stronger leadership are in place now both here and over the pond.

The EU is yesterday's news.

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I agree about Continental Europe being emotionally invested in the EU. They've seen two world wars with first-hand territorial occupations. Eastern Europeans have not enjoyed the freedom to travel outside the Eastern bloc nor the prosperity to travel much within the Eastern bloc.

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Yes it is. I live in a North West Town, not far from Manchester and close to what was a peaceful, quiet Asian area but in the last few years the area has been swamped with Romanians, this area has seen a massive influx of Romanians, of which many do not work, been told many times by the Police to avoid the area at night, muggings have increased tenfold in the area.

The Asian population is not happy, infact they tell us all the time they voted to leave because they are fed up of those 'Eastern Europeans' coming here to live off the state and rob and steal from our locals, they have said they catch them in the act all the time. I said not long ago in the migrant thread that three Romanian men tried to rob a school boy, I mean FFS, they don't care who they steal from. Anyway, as I said in that story, thankfully a car full of Asian men was driving past and came to the boys rescue, I saw the mother on facebook pleading to find the Asian men who saved her son from those disgusting thieving *******s.

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I often wonder why there is never a negative EU article published by the FT.

Just saying....

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I'm confused about your statement - is it most do not work or many do not work? They're quite different things.
Anyway, if things are as bad as you portray them, you have my total sympathy. Your council needs to deport them which it has the right to do so if they're not working. Councils with more guts do this and you need to diplomatically help yours step up to the mark to make your community a better place to live.

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I fail to see where the confusion lies, most, many.... same thing in my book.

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There won't be a debate on the EU in 40 years because the EU will not exist, it will either collapse or become a U.S.E there will be no EU. I really don't pay any attention to the media because they are all agenda ridden steaming piles and none of them can be trusted to provide an objective picture for the public. I am still fully confident that after a bumpy 5-10 years the UK will start to prosper far more then it would have done by remaining and that's why i voted leave not for me but my kids their future is brighter out of the EU then it would have been if we stayed in.

Hopefully the EU will completely collapse and greater stability can be achieved by not having a self righteous corrupt monster constantly pushing to extend it's territory and influence. Leaving is not without it's risks but anyone who says there were no risks from staying in instantly loses credibility. If ken, john and michael are really unhappy about our exit from the EU they can sod off to europe and not look back there is definately no loss for the UK in those has beens leaving.

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You do realise that Europe didn't want us in the first place ,we where refused admission in the '60's .Our relationship with Europe over the years since our admission has been one of 'put up with the moaning brits' personally i think they'll be glad to see the back of us

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In fairness that was mainly because DeGaulle was an anglophobe, I just wish he'd lived long enough for the Maastricht treaty to be implemented so that the British public would have seen what membership entailed.

No "Just a trading block" then!

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If only that were true.

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First possible hump in the Parliamentary process of Brexit tomorrow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39121562

The Lords might send it back to the Commons in order to seek assurances that EU citizens will be able to stay. I think this is something that is likely to happen anyway, it's more a soft protest to show some resistance. I can't see a scenario where this doesn't happen. It's too expensive and logistically difficult to deport all EU citizens, businesses would hit the roof and the uproar would be difficult to deal with. I think you would even see large scale protests and resistance. Imagine the police trying to rock up one morning in South Kensington to deport French citizens, not gonna happen.