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A lot of people voted leave as a protest vote against Dave.
well done lads. we got the bonus.

but don't tell anyone that you voted for the wrong thing. otherwise they may use that as an excuse to forfeit the referendum.

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How is it racist to vote against being part of a club where everyone else is white, it's lazy and anyone who labels another that based on this vote is the uneducated one, that is of course unless you used a crayon on your ballot form and then ate it.

Oh and I found ann in the east Midlands comment quite sad

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Not proud of this - government needs to reassure people.

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Its funney cuz a lot ov us yews x as ower sig nacher

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Could remind us all of the reasons you stated as to why you were priced out of living in London?

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So a poll suggests the demographic of those that voted out.

Well excuse me if I suggest that the poll is anything but fact given the polls' inability to correctly predict the result of the referendum.....

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Also when will the EU loving remain voting super tolerant London start housing the many immigrants living on its streets? Instead of using 24 hour dispersal orders to leave them homeless for another 24 hours?

Because if these and I hate to use the word "immigrants" lived in the racist leave voting places north of London they would be in emergency accomadation leading to a permanent home. I'm sick of racist intolerant London being responsible for Britain being branded racist!!

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You make me proud to be British sometimes.

London makes me sick!

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No matter what , this referendum has united Britain, but it has also united England. There is No going back! Millionaires will tell us we are doomed, none millionaires won't really notice a difference.

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I think generalisations on all sides need to stop my wealthy brother voted leave as did many of his social circle that's one of the things remain failed to grasp a desire for sovereignty existed in all social classes and backgrounds. I also believe that's why the economic scare tactics failed so miserably as I asked on this forum what price independence and sovereignty and those were two strong motivator's to leave that remain could never counter.

I think I'm going to take a break from forums and social media in general for a bit as all the sore loser whining is annoying me and it's ironic because it's the attitude of remain that created the disconnect between institution and the people that created this whole situation in the first place the complete belief that you are right and anyone that disagrees is wrong, what goes round comes around.

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I think the scare tactics failed because when you leave a huge portion of society with nothing to lose, they have nothing to lose. So millionaire Londoners telling long term unemployed northerners they will lose jobs has no impact as the jobs went to European countries many years ago!

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LOL Bless :D:D:D

Kleenex should help :p:

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I think he's right, I'm listening to the radio now and the lack of knowledge some voters are showing is shocking, astounding even, one woman who claimed to be smart and had a good job even going as far as working for the EU at one point had no idea that we actually vote for meps!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...g-to-leave-it/

David Lammy says ignore result, I won't change the habit of a lifetime and agree with him and it's not a good idea imo but I wouldn't be against a second referendum, most certainly given what I'm currently hearing, which are a bunch of reasons to leave not actually ascociated with the EU!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7102931.html

Nearly 3 million now Chris

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post3765.html

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Ugh you might have been right Russ, thought you were over egging things a bit but this is the tip of the iceberg

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/is-thi...rexit-5965720/

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post3623.html

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So let's say we have a rerun as damaging as that will be and this time remain win, leave is going to want a third referendum and should get it after all they would be one each at that point so a third referendum couldn't reasonably be refused. Where does it stop, everyone knew when the referendum was they knew what it was about the country voted and voted to leave and the reasons given for why there should be a second referendum could apply to any election in this country. What's become very clear is we have an influential group of people who don't really care about democracy unless it's giving them what they want and are more then happy to ignore a democratic vote when it isn't what they want.

This would set a very destabilising precedent if a second referendum was held and for that reason I don't support it, that's not even taking into account the damage the last one did are we really wanting to go through that again. Right now as a result of our referendum other citizens of EU member states want that vote for themselves and we need to abide by ours not just for our stability but for those others to get their say.

I find it amusing that the remain camp are throwing the "selfish" tag at leave voters given they are asking for another referendum for their selfish reasons it is perfectly in keeping with the tone of the campaign we had and it's just as bad and pathetic.

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And this makes us stupid? I actually went back to college in my mid 30s to get higher education as did a lot of us. Sure I left school with nothing but in my 30 achieved 5 O levels and 2 Higher (Scotland) Levels.

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And don't you think the reason the older generation voted leave is because we had enough after 43 years? There is no substitute for experience.

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What about the two stupid reasons for remain that kept coming up? Roaming charges and holidays is a hell of a silly reason to base a remain vote on. What's best for the UK was mine and most leavers reason.

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I doubt you'd have objected had this come to pass

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/rememb...endum-5963900/

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At least there real reasons, no matter how silly they're not made up like those bozos were last night, I was actually embarrassed for them, clutching at straws and grasping around for soundbites

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It's a shame that the EU could not be more proactive.

The EU referendum result clearly shows the UK as a conflicted nation.

The EU itself is in need of reform, This is a wonderful opportunity to reform the EU and present the UK and other EU countries with a deal that keeps the UK in the EU but on better terms.

It's possible to keep the UK in the EU if there is good will and flexibility on both sides.

It would also keep the UK as the United Kingdom as I would be sorry to see Scotland leave, when it is not necessary.

And for those who said my girlfriend had nothing to worry about, this is why I respectfully disagree. It does seems people feel they now have a legitimate cause to be racist

I feel ashame for being British right now :(

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59% of Scots now support Independence.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/poll-...s-2856414.html

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Yes, because part of the on-line polls are usually questions on age, marital status, salary, level of education, etc. - well, they are on YouGov...

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And as has been said many many times before, no one ever actually said this, except perhaps a few idiots on social media.

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It does get a bit irritating to be endlessly labelled.


Bigoted, racist, little english, fascist, uneducated. Will it ever stop?

Always seems to be one segment of society doing the labelling though :/

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I have been reading the last few pages of this thread and it is pretty depressing.

Ignitionnet has, for many weeks now, been an ardent supporter of the Leave campaign. His posts were well argued, he clearly had done a lot of research before posting and his replies to any responses were cogent.

He now, after looking at the aftermath of this vote and its implications, has doubts and he has questions.

So what does he get in reward for the effort he has put in in past weeks on behalf of the Leave campaign?

Abuse ..

He deserves better than that

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IDS is now backing away from the £350 million claim as well. Quite funny watching him say 'we never said it would be spent on the NHS' next to a poster saying 'Let's spend the £350 million a week on the NHS'.

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You will get replies that this was not official policy etc. which I am afraid is just denial.

Some people did vote for Leave on the back of promises like this and that is a fact.

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It is and in my opinion shows that despite the money the EU has poured into the old working class areas for redevelopment ,it has been used wrongly and the poor uneducated working class know this because all the luxury apartments built on the old docks they used to work in they can't afford to live in ,all the high end shops built on old mine workings they can't afford to shop in .All that's happened is money from Europe to redevelop run down areas has ended up in the hands of rich developers and business owners who have simply used it to get richer ,sure the areas look nice ,Newcastle is a prime example but where are the houses that ordinary people get to live in,where are the hospitals and schools ,business parks keep springing up where houses used to be but stand empty ,all of this has led to the divide in the country and the EU and successive governments are directly responsible for it and the poor uneducated class have seen through it and decided to do something about it .



Are you serious ? that is complete rubbish .This referendum has completely divided the country and will split the Kingdom.I posted a few pages back that whatever the result i wanted a big majority vote ,we didn't get that we got a split vote with a small majority and that was not a good thing .We need the whole country to get behind the decision whereas now we will always have half the country fighting to go the other way

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I saw a post on a friends Facebook page regarding the petitions for a 2nd referendum, that the metadata show a lot of the people that have clicked the link come from outside the UK.

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Reminded me of the bloke who's country was being invaded saying there are no tanks here whilst the camera showed tanks coming up behind him :D

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It's also something like 80% Londoners voting. It must be tough going to bed with £10million and waking up with £8.5million.

I haven't met a single British born working class person who vote remain.

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Im still still waiting for the war and for the NHS to collapse like remain said it would. How many Remainers voted remain through fear of war, losing the NHS?

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This Guardian comment make some good points that Boris and Co must answer:

There are liars and then there’s Boris Johnson and Michael Gove

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I'm still curious as to how many Remainers voted remain due to the threat of all out war and the NHS collapsing which has turned out to be total lies from Remain!

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This really is a lot of BS - largely panic nonsense which is self fulfilling to an extent. Think back to the panic of 2007/8, people claiming it'd be the end of civilisation, queuing outside banks to withdraw their money, all just making the situation worse. If anyone seriously didn't expect this sort of thing to result from the referendum in the short term then I'm afraid they're naïve. What they're all choosing to forget right now is the less visible but hugely relevant chaos in the EU which has been largely wiped off our screens in recent weeks. It won't be long before the next tranche of really bad news appears from over there and people here start to see things a bit differently. There's n'owt as queer as folk.

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Exactly. Greece hasn't gone away and Italy is looking flaky. Germany is still being flooded by immigrants and youth unemployment in Spain and Portugal is approaching 50%. Plenty of EU troubles ahead.

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Oh, look.. A Leaver pushing stereotypes.

Guess what? London has 8.26m people living in it. It does not have anywhere near 8.26m millionaires living in it, or even 8.26 million people who are wealthy.. No. Most of the people living in London are what you would consider working class. Also, They, just like the working class all over the United Kingdom will bear the brunt of the cost if leaving the EU causes economic problems. The working class are going to have to deal with negative equity, and the possibility of job losses. The wealthy won't. They'll just weather the storm or leave the country.

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Do you believe many Remainers may well of voted remain due to being told there will be wars and the end of the NHS if we leave?

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I'd hardly call 6% more for Leave in England a 'small' majority However, you are right we all have to get behind the Government now. I wonder if we'll get a say in what we want?

I live in North East England and all I see are empty shops, others closing, derelict buildings, boarded up houses that are uninhabitable. Then I go down to the old docks in Sunderland, Seaham and Hartlepool and all I see are marinas and expensive apartments. Where's all this EU money? Oh yea it was spent on London.

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We don't often agree on things ;) but you are spot on. The country is very divided and this will Remain ..

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I heard it had reached 2.6 million. All remainers no doubt but if it's true they're from outside the UK then there's no chance of the Government taking any notice of it.

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Oh yes I remember that clearly. Funny as.

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Be very careful what you wish for, you may just get it! LOL!

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Who are the "we" here?

Did you get behind the government when we were in the EU?

Did Farage get behind the government when founded UKIP and campaigned for years to leave the EU?

What's all this "now we have won, let's all pull together and forget our differences"?

You and your mates have banged on for years on how the EU is evil, how it is bad for the country, etc. etc. etc. and you have the gall to say, that now that you have won the vote, that we all have to get behind the government.

What a load of hypocritical BS.

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i just wish some one from the remain side would apologise for project fear
.;'..,

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I wouldn't know about that and neither do I really care. It's a different planet down there. I know this as I'm married to a Kentish woman and have been numerous times. Kent has been devastated whilst the rest prosper. Why, isn't that where Dover is? You'd have thought they would have included them in their little club. Planet Thanet, as it's affectionally known, is Finished. Margate, once a lovely place is devastated. My God they should try living in the North East.

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WE, the people. And No I didn't but do support them if I think they are right.

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Probably as many as Leavers who thought that £350 million per week extra would go to the NHS, and that VAT would be reduced in fuel bills...

And of course, it was never actually said that leaving the EU would lead to WW3, but don't let biased reporting and inflammatory headlines ruin a good fact...

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Where did these figures come from? Has someone access not only to how each of us voted, but also our educational and social backgrounds, age and all the rest?

Or is all bullcr@p? :dunce:

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Some interesting thoughts by Peter Hitchens on Brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUaDuMV5tyg

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Speaking of uneducated. I'll pick your dummy up it's ok. A sore loser indeed. Read between the lines. We, the people, Hypocritical? I think not. The EU IS evil and corrupt. It is bad for the country. And where did I say we won the vote? I'm not one to gloat. I know we have some hard times ahead and if that means another year of austerity then so be it. You'll not be greeting when the benefits start coming in of being free of the EU.

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They haven't time, they are too busy with project sulk and hissy fit.

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People are asked, when polled, these questions.

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Having just watched Emily Thornberry on sky... I think I found her strangely "sexy" almost. Very strange indeed,

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The link to voting for a 2nd referendrum is flawed.

If you search the meta it you can see that 33,841 people who have signed it are from Vatican City but Vatican City only has a population of 842.

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Is a childish reply all you can offer here?

This vote has raised many questions on how the country was potentially misled and all you and your mates can do is reply with playground insults?

How old are you exactly?

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How was the country misled please explain?

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Dave and Osborne made idle threats of bad things would happen to us and our money. and an emergency budget as well as World War 3 if we didn't vote stay.

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Don't forget they said the NHS would be under threat! He clearly stated the "ring fenced NHS budget would be under threat"

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The money and budget are two things that will probably happen at somepoint though, that wasn't a threat as much of a fact.

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If Osborne's still in a job then he may have a budget. but it won't be an emergency budget like he said where he'll effectively punish people for daring to go against him and his mate Dave.

Osborne's finished anyway. he gone. he irrelevant. he needs Dave to function and Dave's not there for him anymore.

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Probably happen at some point? Glad you we nice and clear there, do you know what the word FACT actually means?

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A fact is it will rain here.

However when that will be I don't know. Still makes it a fact though!

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Omg, but just run it past me once more.

Your facts are based on something that probably might happen, or probably might not happen, and it might or might not happen at some point at sometime?

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no its speculation

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EU referendum: No promise of immigration drop - Nigel Evans MP

You can't make it up ...

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In this country rain is a fact. It happens. That is not speculation.

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Yep, they are going to get a control on immigration then if needed start reducing it. Exactly what I thought I was voting for. Leaving people living on the streets of London/Manchester/Birmingham etc with little chance of a safe home or decent job is irresponsible of this government.

Hopefully we can now control immigration, catch up with it, house the current homeless, get them into work. Then get ahead so we have he homes, jobs, school places, hospitals to cope. Seems like a very intelligent way of doing things.

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Whether it will rain or not. the facts are that Dave is gone and we're out of the EU!

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The more I read my own posts the more I'm realising I should go into politics lol

Sorry meant to edit, not quote myself.

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Its not all as simple as that. There aren't enough homes being built and that is nothing to do with the EU.

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I'm an out voter Gary. ian99 seems to have the personal view we were misled. I tried to quote from my phone but wouldn't let me.

So wasn't aimed at out voters

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So then we reduce immigration, do you really think it's fair to allow people the promise of a better life only to leave them living on the streets? We need to catch up, get our own house in order then get ahead and be prepared.

It's time to unite, make sure the homes are built, make sure homelessness in the UK is at zero!

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Old enough to know better. 62 friend and I voted on experience.

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The problem is a large portion of homeless people choose to live the way they do. So even if they were given housing I think a lot might not take the offer. A lot won't take the help on offer so you can't really blame the government totally.

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Looking like it might fact here too.

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Everyone?

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So given there's going to be at least 2 year gap ( probably a lot more before we exit), if I was considering coming to the UK I'd rush to do it now. The French will not have the Calais camp, we'll have to deal with at Dover and the negotiated 'emergency brake' now won't happen. Plus its just immigration from the EU, the rest of the world will keep coming. Far from reducing immigration Brexit might greatly increase it. The only thing that might deter people is the predicted recession coming our way. So far project fear is turning out to be project truth.

Boris seems befuddled and quiet, really don't think he expected to 'win' and have to deal with the consequences: winning wasn't part of his leadership plan.

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When can we start reducing it? As it stands, nothing has changed. We still have to accept freedom of movement and migrants from the EU. Does it start when A 50 is invoked or after the 2 years is up? IDS did say this morning by the end of the Parliament, however that may be sooner rather than later.

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Well it kind of is. It's their people coming here so it has to do with them in a small way.

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Depends who's doing the polling. If they phone you then yes as they have a script so everyone gets asked the same questions. Think I've only been polled once in m life.

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The French Government has said the agreement still stands. It's the politicians calling for it to be scrapped.

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A lot of questions will remain to be answered. No one really knows what happens know and it's clear the Leave campaign hasn't got a plan yet, Boris and Gove are in hidding and the stage is being taken by leavers with different political outlooks contradiction each other.

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Well, when I first joined YouGov, I was asked them, and then they re-check them every couple of months.

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Its only staying ATM because we're still in the EU. Once we're gone and there's a different French govt. they' ll actively encourage migrants on to us, probably pay for their ferry tickets.

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I think a lot of industry will push for EEA by the way. Leave supporters should be less concerned about stupid petitions and more concerned about the dynamics of article 50 and the fact the politicians only have a mandate to leave the EU but no obligation as to what that involves.

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Not "particularly nasty" then, just "nasty" ?

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Over 39000 people from Vatican City sign petition for 2nd Brexit referendum.








Oh yeah, it only has a population of 800 :D:D:D so not only do Remainers not respect democracy, they are prepared fiddle the petition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-more-than-39/

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People voted to leave this version of the EU.

David Cameron based in London was completely out of touch with people living outside London and he was only a few hundred miles away. He conveyed his view to the other EU leaders, who because they were even further away, relied on his information and were, like him, completely shocked by the outcome.

The desire to punish the UK is caused by the EU leaders' fear that similar referenda and similar outcomes may occur in other EU countries, something they wish to deter.

Europe is a bubbling cauldron and if EU leaders try to put a lid on opposition expressed by voters and continue to apply the heat by ignoring their views there will be a devastating social explosion across the EU.

If the EU leaders think they have got it right, they should be brave enough to call referenda in their own countries and see what their people's true feelings are. I suspect there will be similar differences throughout the EU.

The EU leaders ignored the success of anti-EU parties in the Euro elections. That was the first warning. The outcome of the UK EU referendum is the second warning. David Cameron called for reform but was ignored and the deal offered by the EU was derisory as it totally ignored voters' wishes.

Many Leave voters do not really wish to leave the EU but the current arrangements give them no choice. If the EU had been more flexible and had taken a step back from their present course I believe the outcome of the vote could have been very different.

The EU press for freedom of movement but that is a myth. All countries have laws barring even their own citizens never mind foreign nationals from certain areas of their country. The poor and the young cannot buy houses in nice areas. Many of the developments approved by the rich have a greater adverse effects on the poor. As the EU piles on more and more misery is it any wonder that those affected feel neglected and resentful?

No country has the resources to cope with a massive influx of foreign nationals and I am sure that Leave voters would accept greater freedom of movement within limits set by their national governments because they know better what the problems are and what resources are available to solve them. Bear in mind that many voters voted to leave because of the UK's failure to solve massive problems in housing, health, employment, education etc. and EU rules were making the situation worse.

I think David Cameron should be recalled as PM as I feel that he and Lord Hill have a lot to offer and are in a much stronger position than they were before. I also think that David Cameron and Boris Johnson should be reconciled as friends working together for a better UK and a better EU.

If the EU is brave enough to carry out the reforms it knows it must make I am sure that we could come up with a solution that 100% of UK voters would support by living inside a revised version of the EU which benefits all EU countries not just the UK. Crucially it would be listening and paying regard to the views of ALL EU citizens.

Such a solution is a win-win situation for everyone and is a process of healing overcoming differences proving that we really are in this together.

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No, No and No.

We will manage. just leave and get on with it.

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EU Leaders want Brexit to begin on Tuesday, I hope so...but unfortunately it seems a lot of British think they can dictate to everyone else how things should be completely ignoring democracy. So no doubt they will think they can make every other EU country wait!

http://news.sky.com/story/1717820/uk...esday-eu-chief

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There'll be delay after delay after delay. Until in a few years time the situation 'wiil have changed' requiring another referendum. No one will admit that now though.

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Nope, this effects markets worldwide, this effects every EU member state. We can't go on like this. The EU needs us out then carry on doing their business, how can the EU plan anything without knowing when we will leave,

Cameron needs to man up and invoke art-50, or I suspect the EU May well find a way of doing it themselves. An also exclude us from every summit, meeting, or gathering.

We've voted to leave, if we're allowed to hang on for years then what's to stop every other member doing the same. Holding the EU/EC over a barrel.

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I voted last Thursday expecting remain to win and was prepared to support the referendum whatever the result as the will of the British people and on this forum I said I expected remain to win by 53-47 so TheDaddy no my attitude wouldn't be any different then it is now. As for being misled again I've already said I don't think the official leave campaign expected to win and did they lie and exaggerate some things yes they did as did remain as well so no difference and neither better then the other. Anyone who voted last Thursday whether they voted leave or remain based purely on what the campaigns were saying was naive and there were likely just as many people on both sides influenced by the campaign lies so again no one side is better then the other.

That online petition is a complete joke just look at where all the votes are coming from it has as much relevance as fairy dust.

I also voted understanding nothing much would change for at least two years as that's how long it takes to leave the EU per article 50, yet now we have a bunch of remainers asking for the plan and what's happening now. Some see what Cameron did as dignified it wasn't he again said one thing and did the opposite he said if the country voted leave he'd start article 50 and he just up and quit knowing it would create a delay and put things into limbo. Maybe leave have a plan maybe they don't and are currently working on one now but it is right to take the time to ensure a period of calm after the shock.

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Ignoring democracy? You're having a laugh right? What are remain doing accepting it?

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I am still buzzing with the result. I feel my original vote in 1975 has now been vindicated.

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I'm sure how that really resolves things.

In the UK the EU referendum is only advisory. A new PM and British MPs may simply vote to ignore it and carry on as before.

The UK is not dictating the time scale, Article 50 is. All the UK government is asking for is time to elect a new PM and to consider the outcome, which has come as a major shock to many people, even Leave campaigners.

People in Europe need to understand that the EU affects parts of the UK in different ways. The split vote indicates that. The rise of anti-EU parties in the Euro MEP elections indicates that in Europe too there are people who feel that the EU management is interfering too much in their lives so this is not just a British phenomenon.

There are many immigrants in the UK and it would be wrong to think that many of the people in the UK do not appreciate the contribution they make to our society. I know I certainly do. Mind you, it is also true to say that there are others in the minority who take a different view.

As for dictation, it is the EU, that, even now, is doing the dictating and bullying despite the fact that we are only acting within EU rules.

At present, Angela Merkel seem to be the only leader prepared to give us the breathing space we need to work things through.

Maybe she has learned from the example of Greece that if you pressure already desperate people they tend to react in unexpected and unpredictable ways.

I think many Europeans have the wrong idea about the UK. They visit London and think the rest of the UK is the same. It's not true. Just as life in Paris is different from life in Alencon, Marseilles & Toulouse.

Both sides need to take a deep breath and really think things through instead of hurtling on at speed into mutual oblivion when it is totally unecessary.

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Clutching at straws now? There'd be a riot if they ignored it.

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Maybe so.

If we stay in the Leave campaigners will be unhappy.

If we go the Remain campaigners will be unhappy.

The solution is to reform the EU in such a way that we can remain but on terms that the Leave campaigners can live with.

The alternative is the break-up of the UK and possibly the EU too which leaves us all in a mess.

We have not even left yet but

1)the value of the £ has dropped,
2)banks are planning to up sticks and move to Europe,
3)America has still pushed us to the back of the trade deal queue,
4)Scotland may still opt for independence even though it will take a while to
join the EU,
5)people are already losing jobs.

And there still may be no trade deal with the EU.

We'll have to wait and see what the government is going to do.

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Neither side has anything to boast about .I watched Sajid Javid looking like a scared rabbit this morning when asked when we are going to get the "punishment budget " that he and Osborne promised us ,watching Farage and Boris squirm their way through interviews was just laughable

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No one is clutching at straws.

Just because the people said something doesn't mean the government have to actually listen to it.

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So in the next general election is Labour win, can tories just ignore and stay in power?

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Well maybe that's not such a bad thing for remain. Scotland can technically stop us leaving. Not sure how it works but if they don't like the Brexit deal they can veto in in the Scottish Parliament.

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I'm fascinated by this concept Scotland can veto it. This would be christmas comes early for the conservatives. They avoid Brexit and can blame it all on Sturgeon.

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Why bother with a referendum then; in fact why bother with democracy. If the elected representatives decide they can ignore the will of the people when they don't like it and just do what they want then how does that differ from a dictatorship?

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Before the government invokes the 2 year treaty clause anything can cancel it. After that we can only cancel it if ALL the EU agrees. Then we will be paying through the nose for it and it may be better to continue BREXIT.

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If you had the News channel on as I do you would have heard her.

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I think that most of the MPs of all parties will vote to veto it which will leave us all back at square one.

What we need is a universal solution to the differences between the UK and the EU. Failing that we are all going to be in a mess.