Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837006)

I think we would. I would imagine that BT would want such a channel to generate some reasonable revenue, as VM did for Virgin 1.

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Run of the mill, perhaps, but as long as there are one or two dramas to record every week, worth having, like Sky 1.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837032)

I think the dearer box will cost £99 and extra £3 per month on top original TiVo monthly fee or £199 and no monthly fee

If there is a cheaper 2nd box say without 4K, less storage and less tuners for £49 and extra £3 per month on top original TiVo monthly fee or £149 and no monthly fee

If there is a TiVo mini that would be £49 with no fee also long as you have the 4K box or with a monthly fee if you have cheaper box

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837041)

We have the list in full but it was given to us on the DNP order.

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35836928)

On the presentation slide there is mention of Horizon Lite, a cloud based service. I beleive EOS and Horizon Lite, as far as outside the UK goes, are one and the same thing. Perhaps here they'll call EOS Tivo Lite??

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837044)

It will be interesting later in year how right or wrong I am ( knowing me totally wrong)

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837094)

I'm just saying beware of those you trust...specially when they are disloyal and betray who they work for.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35837098)

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes :D

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35836992)

It will probably be like Virgin 1 was. It wasn't a bad channel as channels go.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837105)

Hahaha...fear those who brings the gifts/appear to be friends??

;):angel:

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837094)

MB why do you feel you have to respect your DNP orders?

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837094)

MB why do you feel you have to respect your DNP orders?
The sources who give you the information obviously do not respect VM's own DNP orders. Your sources shouldn't be telling anyone!!

You show loyalty to people who disrespect VM by leaking such valuable information to random people like yourself...Do you really think they would be so loyal back to you??

I'm just saying beware of those you trust...specially when they are disloyal and betray who they work for.

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35837117)

Again i've said it before and i will say it again i'm sure MB is exactly the same too, dnp orders are given to us in confidence, by revealing them before we are given the nod it breaches our sources trust and i'm sure future sources wouldn't trust us either, not only that but there would be a high risk of the sources/s getting disciplined too by whoever they work for.
Have some patience all will be revealed in time.
I can understand your frustration but remember good things come to those who wait :)

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837123)

I'm not frustrated, just don't understand why you trust your sources when they have betrayed VM's confidence... They shouldn't be leaking the information anyway.


Would you trust your Mrs if she betrayed you??
The whole trust issue just doesn't wash

Like I said, ignore me xx

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837127)

You don't seem to make any sense. They are leaking info but to a few trusted people, I'm sure they not the only ones, and the info they have given to MB in the past has been of great help stop moaning

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837131)

I'm not moaning...there is more to life than what's happening with our tv situation..

Leaking any information is wrong...you know this right?


All I'm saying is be careful of the sources. If they are willing to go behind their employer's backs and dish out information, can they really be trustworthy people? They think they have all of the power...when really it is MB and theone who holds it :-)


I won't go on anymore...I'll sit back and enjoy the news when we get any xx

N.B Sorry for any offence caused, guys...keep up the good work

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837136)

Ok morally it is wrong to leak information but I think this happens because with virgin they tell customers nothing that is happening apart from price rises. When we have changes if the sources didn't tell us we would never know it has happened

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837137)

Sorry for being petty, I didn't mean to cause an argument.

I agree, VM should tell us more...not tell us a few months after the new services/changes have arrived :-)
That is more frustrating than having DNP orders in place lol

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837131)

I'm not moaning...there is more to life than what's happening with our tv situation..

Leaking any information is wrong...you know this right?


All I'm saying is be careful of the sources. If they are willing to go behind their employer's backs and dish out information, can they really be trustworthy people? They think they have all of the power...when really it is MB and theone who holds it :-)


I won't go on anymore...I'll sit back and enjoy the news when we get any xx

N.B Sorry for any offence caused, guys...keep up the good work

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35837147)

No offence caused mate i can see where you're coming from i have been trolled in the past as i'm sure MB has too, but my sources are very trustworthy.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837111)

This was quite a detailed article on the new Tivo 2
http://4k.com/news/now-virgin-media-...in-2016-14558/

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837177)

BT Sport Freeview on Virgin UK Channel 548 is now called BT Sport Showcase.

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As of last night the price list of the new TiVo is still an DNP order.

We got an PM last night saying do not post.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837192)

I do start to understand the risks and it's good telling us even this, can your sources give us a date for pricing information

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837196)

A new 4K Tivo swap for your old one? :-)

Or is that wishful thinking lol

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837203)

All we are being told is "soon".

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837207)

So I think charging more than sky is a bad idea when wont get access to sky movies and sports and f1 4k

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837203)

All we are being told is "soon".

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837203)

All we are being told is "soon".

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837209)

Is that a definite?
Has it been announced that we won't be getting this? Would be a shame.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837213)

Sounds interesting.:)

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837215)

Well sky sports F1 in 4K is a confirmed sky exclusive so I assume they will got the same way with movies and sports, remember HD at the start

" Sky has officially confirmed that it will show the Formula 1 race season in 4K Ultra High Definition from next year
.
The 4K race coverage will be delivered exclusively via the latest Sky Q service from Sky. This is available now but won't get used for 4K UHD viewing until this summer, around the time of the Premier League football season kick-off.

At the moment the only broadcast of 4K content is from BT Sport, which roughly offers an event each weekend to its customers.

Sky has not given specifics on 4K availability but presumably only Sky Q subscribers will have access to the events.

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If we can't even get sky sports and movies 4K Virgin need to think about pricing and before we upgrade tell us the truth

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837218)

Typical Sky....
F1 and the football would look great in 4K.

Did it say on one the new Tivo articles that VM will offer live 4K content? Maybe I mis-read something.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837229)

That's likely to be bt sport 4K but sky will give nothing but if they do for us it will be a premium charge

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837229)

That's likely to be bt sport 4K but sky will give nothing but if they do for us it will be a premium charge

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Depending how big the competition is will depend what sky gives for us to watch

"With all these shiny new functions Sky Q is currently top of its class but it could be about to get serious competition from arch-rivals Virgin Media"

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837229)

Depending how big the competition is will depend what sky gives for us to watch

"With all these shiny new functions Sky Q is currently top of its class but it could be about to get serious competition from arch-rivals Virgin Media"

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837241)

You've kind of answered your own question , why would Sky want to make a competitor's offering more compelling.

You can have the best 4K box in the world but in the end it's the 4K content that will sell the service and Sky know that.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837245)

At launch 4K will have limited appeal so people will buy the VM box for it's many other features.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837245)

At launch 4K will have limited appeal so people will buy the VM box for it's many other features.

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35837264)

I'm not so sure about that MM, been lots of TV's sold which are 4K ready, so i'd suspect that ppl who have bought these sets will use 4K where available.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837268)

Exactly and if sky lock away everything in movies and sports in 4K what is left

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837268)

Exactly and if sky lock away everything in movies and sports what is left?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35837277)

A live and exclusive 4K stream of the Irish election results? :D Seriously, I suspect they'll go down the VoD route and woo Amazon and maybe a broadcaster like ITV perhaps in return for selling them TV3 in Ireland. We'll see.

Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35837282)

if sky do lock sport and movies which is highly possible then we might get BT 4k sport/movies(bt don't have 4k movies channel yet).if not which is most likely then that leaves streaming netflix/amazon but most people have a tv with apps or streaming box roku.never known might strike up deal to show 4k sky channels. cost of package will ultimately decide if people want it. i have a 4k tv so hope virgin get some channels with 4k
content.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837268)

Exactly and if sky lock away everything in movies and sports what is left

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Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837285)

But here is the problem then 4K Netflix and Amazon prime total extra cost £179 per year so total £14 a month so in short if virgin end up in that situation and still don't have sky premium 4K it could cost them dearly

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837332)

Well, we will have the terrestrials and Netflix in 4K for a start. It's not like we won't have any 4k content.

Hopefully, we will also have Amazon and exclusive on demand material from Virgin Media.

Channels such as Discovery and Eurosport we should get as soon as they are delivered in 4k (not sure if they are yet).

Then, of course, there is BT Sport, which hopefully will be available to us.

Virgin Movies should also be available in 4K when the time comes, so you could ditch Sky Movies and watch PPV films instead.

Personally, I hope that Netflix start taking over studio rights to films as existing contracts expire and Sky lose the Premiership rights to the bigger global players so that we can avoid these restrictive practices which deny millions access to the TV they want to watch with their chosen providers.

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The reality is, if you want 4K in some abudance, you are going to have to pay for it, no matter what platform you are on.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837343)

Terrestrial channels in 4K good luck with that anytime soon.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837349)

Indeed it is a long time off in my opinion.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837358)

That's why I feel that the thing about having to source external 4K material is wrong when sky have it on channels we should have access 2 for what sky movies, sports and F1 cost

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837343)

Terrestrial channels in 4K good luck with that anytime soon.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837358)

That's why I feel that the thing about having to source external 4K material is wrong when sky have it on channels we should have access 2 for what sky movies,sports and F1 cost

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837362)

Well, it's coming and the original intention was that the BBC would be offering 4k as standard by this year. Unfortunately, the Government review of spending has delayed this a bit and so what we are likely to see is a growing number of 4k programmes being made available through the BBC iPlayer before a full blown 4k channel is launched. The main commercial terrestrial stations will follow suit.

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Well, yes, but if Sky refuses access then there's no point in blaming Virgin Media.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35837360)

It's important to understand that only 20% of VM customers take Sky Movies or Sky Sports and they're hefty additions on top of most peoples' bills. So even if VM got these channels in 4k when Eos launches, only one in five people would potentially benefit.
I think 4k will play out a bit like HD has done. But I think adoption will be a lot slower. 4k v HD feels less of a substantial enhancement than HD v SD was and the public broadcasters don't have spare cash lying around.
It's a bit early to start worrying about content until the box arrives.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837337)

Well you do raise some good points, but like let's take virgin movies you can't record them or watch them after two days, unless there offered a virgin movies sunscription then it's a possable good idea. But then the sports like 4K premiership football no way round that

Look at like this in order to get movies in 4K we should need to pay everytime you want to watch, but if you was a sky customer you can watch SD HD and 4K anytime you want, how can virgin hold on there I do wonder, while still charging same or a bit more than sky movies and sports without 4K.

Let's not forget exclusive F1 in 4K and more than likely the football exclusive in 4K, is there any solution there

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35837365)

Read what I said it won't arrive anytime soon , the BBC may eventually make some available by iplayer but ITV , C4 and Channel 5 still don't provide HD On Demand via most platforms and defo not via their own players.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837366)

How do you know those figures and wow only 20 percent that is very low and I defo thought it would be higher l, what is Eos

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837375)

Do you think SD channels start to fade out, or do you think they will be here to stay?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837377)

There are here to stay still in my book.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35837381)

I reckon in 2020 when all Freeview equipment will have to be capable of receiving HD signals, standard definition versions of the PSB channels might end. But I'm sure the likes of the CBS channels will be in SD for the foreseeable future.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837383)

Wonder if the new Tivo will even have a SCART port...

If not, I guess it will only work with HD ready teles and above...rendering non HD tvs and the use of SD channels into oblivion??

Think of all that bandwidth saved from the SD channels, might get us one decent 4K channel hahaha

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Sorry I didn't see this before replying to Den...

Hopefully we can get rid of all the SD channels soon, some PQ on the SD-only channels that we have at the moment are terrible :-(

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35837385)

Even if it was hdmi only you can buy a adaptar for hdmi to scart if needed, i have one as got a old crt tv in the bedroom i sometimes take my Android tv box in there which is hdmi only and the adaptar does the job nicely.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837386)

I'm sure people wouldn't pay VM for a nice new 4K box just to use with a non-HD tv...that would be crazy.

You need to get a new tv mate! lol You can probably buy a HD ready tv for the same price as the adaptor :-)

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837383)

Wonder if the new Tivo will even have a SCART port...

If not, I guess it will only work with HD ready teles and above...rendering non HD tvs and the use of SD channels into oblivion??

Think of all that bandwidth saved from the SD channels, might get us one decent 4K channel hahaha

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Sorry I didn't see this before replying to Den...

Hopefully we can get rid of all the SD channels soon, some PQ on the SD-only channels that we have at the moment are terrible :-(

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837387)

I agree you need a HD or 4K tv for a new 4K TiVo to really get money's worth

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Hopefully it's got a scary if not how do you back up recordings to a DVD recorder

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837366)

How do you know those figures and wow only 20 percent that is very low and I defo thought it would be higher l, what is Eos

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837362)

Well, it's coming and the original intention was that the BBC would be offering 4k as standard by this year. .

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837390)

Not to be horrible, but do VM care? They just want our money :D
Do they have HDMI dvd recorders? To be honest, I don't know anyone who backs up their recordings.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35837396)

And what percentage of that 20% have 4k TVs?

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Given that the Tories have constantly tried to reduce the BBC funding, why should they spend the limited resources that they have on a minority viewership (i.e. 4k users)?

And thankfully, that other crackpot idea of subscription funding, has been dismissed, for at least eleven years.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837386)

I'm sure people wouldn't pay VM for a nice new 4K box just to use with a non-HD tv...that would be crazy.

You need to get a new tv mate! lol You can probably buy a HD ready tv for the same price as the adaptor :-)

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35837404)

lmao my main tv in living room is Samsung 40inch full hd led smart tv :p: as for bedroom tv if it aint broke don't fix it lol.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837402)

There's plenty of fat in the BBC and as long as they get rid of the waste, I don't think they will be short of a few pennies.

.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837406)

Take your bed into the living room lol :D hahah sorry, couldn't resist lol

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837408)

We have been given new info from our Virgin Media UK Sources that says the two new TiVo will have their own dedicated superhub to work. They will launch within the next year.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837417)

Does that mean we will need two superhubs?
Hmm wonder is going to pay for those...unless it's part of the new Tivo costing?

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35837420)

you could hazard a guess involving streaming to other devices and it needs something more beefy than its current 10mb

or even all in one, and negate the need for a dedicated 2nd hub

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837424)

Couldn't the superhub (new white one) do the same job?
I've only had mine a few months lol - It seems more stable than the old black one

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837408)

We have been given new info from our Virgin Media UK Sources that says the two new TiVo will have their own dedicated superhub to work. They will launch within the next year.

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35837427)

I read the rumour update as integrated into TIVO so you only need one device to service all needs but its all pure speculation here based on what the rumour says :)

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35837407)

You trot this out every time.

Given the pressure they are under, that has been dealt with and is an on-going issue that will continue to be dealt with, as it should.

To say they have plenty of money, is ridiculous. IMHO, It is propagated by people who's ultimate aim is to privatise the BBC. Given that you want the BBC to be a subscription service, I guess that would make you one of them.

Fortunately, the vast majority of the public feedback, prior to the White Paper disagreed with you, which is why we have the licence fee extended for at least eleven years.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35837438)

It is the Government who raised the prospect of a subscription to replace the licence fee.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35837444)

Exactly. And the vast majority of the public said we don't want that.

The public have overruled the political dogma of the Tory government, who's desire is to privatise the BBC, to keep their mate Rupert sweet.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837453)

In the latest polls the vast majority are totally against the BBC ever going to subscription and mark my words if they were ever to try to go down that road then they will find considerable discontent and unhappiness from the public and even within their own party there would be quite a outrage from what l hear if they ever tried to go down that route.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837430)

Can I ask MB does that mean the new boxes now put back till 2017, are the superhubs integrated into the box or do you need extra super hubs for each box just because I'm not sure

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837453)

In the latest polls the vast majority are totally against the BBC ever going to subscription and mark my words if they were ever to try to go down that road then they will find considerable discontent and unhappiness from the public and even within their own party there would be quite a outrage from what l hear if they ever tried to go down that route.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837408)

We have been given new info from our Virgin Media UK Sources that says the two new TiVo will have their own dedicated superhub to work. They will launch within the next year.

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35837495)

.... neither do I, but, doesn't the Horizon box that Liberty deploy in their other cablecos contain a router/hub, thus not needing a separate router?

THis is something that used to happen here, an all in one box. Great until something breaks, then you lose not just tv but your internet too.

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35837495)

.... neither do I, but, doesn't the Horizon box that Liberty deploy in their other cablecos contain a router/hub, thus not needing a separate router?

THis is something that used to happen here, an all in one box. Great until something breaks, then you lose not just tv but your internet too.

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837507)

I don't think the new TiVo will become the main broadband connection, remember sky can use sky q boxes as wifi as well as the main broadband. And there was plans to run the phone line via the superhub so we still need the main superhub

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35837508)

I can't see anything in the brochure that suggests Horizon has a built-in router/hub. Indeed, LGI's new 1Gb router was mentioned in the investor call and pictures of it with different logos appear in the investor call slides, so I doubt it would be given such prominence if it was not needed for Horizon. http://www.libertyglobal.com/PDF/hor...chure-2012.pdf

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35837512)

That's right. SOmeone on the internet forum said VM will start VOIP in a few years, so needs a seperate router for that.

According to their specs below it it is a router too.

https://www.upc-cablecom.ch/content/...ser-manual.pdf

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837516)

I think that will be to allow a wifi connection between the box to stream content between boxes

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35837518)

But page 16 of the manual says "If you ordered a upc cablecom internet subscription with your new Horizon box, you can use the Horizon box as an internet router and wireless access point."

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837519)

But this box will not be horizon. And as virgin plan to bring voip, I defo think we will still have a independent router

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35837453)

In the latest polls the vast majority are totally against the BBC ever going to subscription and mark my words if they were ever to try to go down that road then they will find considerable discontent and unhappiness from the public and even within their own party there would be quite a outrage from what l hear if they ever tried to go down that route.

Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35837528)

The only thing i watch on BBC is masterchef (i could live without it), that's it. if they went down the subscription route they may be surprised how many millions of LF payers they lose.

i wouldn't subscribe.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837583)

Here more information we got yesterday: (We have hold back some info.)

The new TiVo boxes will have more tuners all of them can record at once. Its own dedicated superhub to work and only got 1Tb of storage.

Viewers who want one will need to pay extra per month. (Prices are DNP).

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We have not seen any new info on that app testing on TiVo boxes right now in weeks.

Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35837417)

Does that mean we will need two superhubs?
Hmm wonder is going to pay for those...unless it's part of the new Tivo costing?

Originally Posted by andrewstevenson (Post 35837430)

Can I ask MB does that mean the new boxes now put back till 2017, are the superhubs integrated into the box or do you need extra super hubs for each box

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35837586)

1) The launch date of August - we was told yesterday "May not happen".

2) On the Superhubs - no info was given on if anyone who wants two new TiVo boxes will get two superhubs.