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:D

Have you seen any of Trump's rallies ????

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Did you see the Bush protestors, the Clinton protesters?

Have you seen the anti Corbyn protesters? Have you seen the Labour Party donators stop donating. Would you say that means Britian is divided? I'm sure you don't think a few protesters represent over 100 million Americans do you?

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On their own or even the 2 together, needing an aid to use the toilet or dress the lower body, doesn't currently qualify for PIP. Even the amendments just reduce the points on just those 2 activities by a single point. You need at least 8 points to qualify.

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Maybe you are genuinely totally oblivious, or just trying to provoke, as has been suggested before. However i'll give you the benefit of the doubt , here's a link to the Fail (hate to - but it's 'reading' matter you may be familiar with)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-21-cent.html#

And this was before George's latest round of 'wealth redistribution'.

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I'm asking for evidence that Britian is divided, I take it you have no evidence? If I disagree with you I can't help that. As the Britian live in, I go out for meals in, go to work in, etc seems like a content healthy place to me. Can you offer evidence to the contrary ?

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They haven't had any money given to them. The money others are prepared to pay for what they have has gone up. Doesn't necessarily mean that the others have been given more money. Just that the price they are prepared to pay has gone up.

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Lancashire v Yorkshire, North Wales v South Wales, Scotland V England.

Just 3 examples.

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So Britain was divided under left wing labour governments?

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Under and BY.

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I'm asking for evidence that Britian is divided, I take it you have no evidence? If I disagree with you I can't help that it is up to you if you see it ask provocation. As the Britian live in, I go out for meals in, go to work in, etc seems like a content healthy place to me. Can you offer evidence to the contrary ?
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Try going to North Wales, they hate Everybody!

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You do realise how racist that statement is, thank god you identify as left wing!


I also own a few holiday homes on hafan y mor an have only ever met amazingly tolorent people.

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And you can add to that Devon v Cornwall as well.:)

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Now I'm confused. So when David Cameron said something very similar about people in Leeds it means he's actually a luvvy left wing racist?

Cheers

Grim

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Seeing as the Welsh aren't a race I'd say he realises exactly how racist that post is in that it isn't. Sure you aren't a lefty, seem to remember new labour's favourite trick was to shout people down with cries of racism at every opportunity to.

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I don't know why tweedle feels the need to tell everyone every few posts how great he is - with buy to lets, holiday homes, stocks, shares & ISA's - frankly I'm surprised he finds time to post here, with so many things going on in his life.

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You know what they say - ' Big boasts, little.........'

Cheers

Grim

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Maybe he has created a clone of himself..;)

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Because he's hungry and wants to be fed.;)

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Poor George.

First he has to go back on the tax credit cuts, then tampon tax (less said the better) and now the disability cuts because a few wet tories have some scruples (or more likely want to cause trouble ahead of the EU vote).

He's getting accomplished at having to cut the cuts. Is it any wonder this country is still in trouble after 6 years with this clown running things. No sooner does he do his budgets, then he has to rewrite it them the next day.... :dunce:

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Always happy to make time for my cableforum "family":)

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So where will he cut now ? Had to go back on tax credit cuts and now disability cuts. Whatevever, top tip George, maybe consult first, not afterwards ?

There is one sector of society that has been exempt from cuts. No matter how wealthy they are, free bus passes, free tv licences, generous pensions - will we get all this ?? Trouble is they all vote Tory.

Here's a suggestion, instead of cutting why not increase tax receipts by getting some growth going ?

Another suggestion, sack George...

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Here's another suggestion, don't cut capital gains tax so much

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Actually, less than half (47%) of over 65s voted Conservative in the 2015 General Election.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...aspx?view=wide

---------- Post added at 17:16 ---------- Previous post was at 17:16 ----------

Agreed

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even IDS has mentioned the special "pensioners" group shouldn't be untouchable. The problem is they are the group keeping the tories in power.

---------- Post added at 17:24 ---------- Previous post was at 17:23 ----------

national voting count doesnt mean much in FPTP.

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Mr K said 'they all vote Tory' - the facts show otherwise.

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A slight exaggeration, nothing more ;). However the figures show a greater percentage for the Tories in the >65 age group; and who can blame them?

It farcical that this group is protected no matter what their income or wealth. We clearly aren't all in this together. The 60's generation are continuing to bleed the country dry, but it's a political reason they aren't touched. None of us will be as well protected in our old age.

To be protecting this group and decreasing tax for those earning >£41k, whilst at the same time imposing cuts on the basic needs for the disabled is too far, even for some half decent Tories.

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George has been keeping a very low profile over the last couple of days, wonder why ? Sent on gardening leave ? ;)

They may suspend the Disability cuts but where are they going to find the money from to balance the budget ? Cancel the tax cuts for the rich ? Make wealthy pensioners pay for tv licences, bus passes ? I suspect neither of these, but the vulnerable poor will be targeted again, when the ho-haa has died down. One nation Tories my backside....

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Well we shall see Mr K as there are many stealthy ways in which to make the savings without many of the public realising about it.

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according to the media these cuts are still to be from working age benefits, meaning the PM and osborne havent learned.

Since they absolutely refuse to touch pensioners, then the best way forward is to have these cuts cancelled, and balance the books another way e.g. cancelling the tax cuts announced.

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I came across this analysis of Geroge's revenue calculations:

http://waitingfortax.com/2016/03/19/coming-unstuck/

I am not saying he is right and George is wrong but if he is right and George is wrong then, as he says,

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Still puzzled why George is still in his job.

Child Tax credit cuts, had to withdraw them, disability cuts -withdrawn the next day (!) Plus his clueless trumpetting of Googles tax fiddle...

Tories were slapping on the back like he was the second coming yesterday (or were they thumping him ? ;) )

Oh, yes and there's the little matter of £4.5bn to find.... Silly George.

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We can always stop George's wages, and his expense account.

Osborne should forced to resign. He can always go back to selling Wallpaper. Isnt that what he made his millions out of

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Arthur, FYI, there is a difference between "being a member of a family which set up a company that employs nearly 100 people, and manufactures and distributes wall coverings and fabrics throughout the world" and "selling wallpaper". ;)

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I wouldn't be buying any wallpaper from him; he'd change his mind about the design next day and withdraw the product ;)

The problem with George isn't complicated, he's just incompetent. 2 major budgets he's had to redo now because he didn't think it through or consult; however no repercussions for him as he's Dave's best mate. £4.5bn missing, not to worry....

If he was on performance related pay, like his staff, he'd be grateful to still be employed on the minimum wage right now.

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I suspect that if any company CEO walked in to a company who wasn't doing too well, promising to cut things back until the company was profitable, then 6 years later, was still having to promise to cut things back until the company was profitable, and continually missing his profit forecasts, the shareholders would be calling for a new CEO..

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6949981.html
George is scrapping the stats showing how much he takes from the poor to give to the rich. Pesky facts and figures...

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Mr osborne Bean got a bit of a grilling in front of the Select Committee today... he seemed to not either answer or he did not have all the facts in front of him.

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He probably just didn't know the answers i.e. clueless as well as hopeless.

Poor sod has £4.5bn to find from somewhere; he used the down the back of the sofa money for the tax credit u-turn.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...sury-committee

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...e-Osborne.html
Even the Torygraph have got the knives out for poor George. Accusing him of not answering questions, as if ! Has he any friends, anywhere any longer?

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I was close to posting here last night to say farewell thinking I was dieing.

Basically I had to go to the royal infirmary in leicester last night, and in my adult life I have never seen such chaos.

1 - Security guards and porter casually talking in front of patients that its stupid there is more security guards than nurses.
2 - 200 people waiting to see one nurse in a&e minors, eventually agency staff turned up, there was also no doctors until agency staff turned up.
3 - waiting 6 hours to be transferred from a&e minors to majors. due to lack of beds
4 - When I got to majors (4am) I and other patients were sitting in hard plastic chairs as no beds to use (I wasnt bothered as my pain was worse lieing down). But some looked in huge agony having to sit like they were.
5 - I have no complaints in all the staff that dealt with me, but however at 6am a manager appeared on the ward and was applying huge pressure on my doctor to discharge me, he fighted it for 90 minutes but she got another doctor to bypass him, when he tried to get me powerful meds to take home she shouted at him in front of everyone saying to tell me to take paracetamol (which one of the reasons I Was there was ineffective). I had to have a morphine injection whilst there.
6 - When discharged the doctor told me the manager's name and said to make it clear on record he didnt initiate the discharge, told me if it persists (note he didnt say if gets worse) to go back. He also told me if I get slurred speach, paralysation etc, to ring 999 suggesting he hadnt confidently ruled out a stroke.

I was going to speak to this manager on the way out but she seemed to vanish, had no energy to chase her down due to the pain so went home. The good news is my CT scan was clean so I dont think I had a stroke at least. However I remain undiagnosed on a bank holiday friday.

My honest opinion based on observation the NHS has gone downhill sharply since I last went to a&e a couple of years back. Clearly needs an injection of cash, and probably lots of it. google and co should be ashamed of themselves.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7000966.html

Poor George, his Aunty has had a go at him now for being pro-EU. No kipper tie for him this Xmas :(

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Where is George? Very concerned somethings happened to him. There's lots more cuts to be made and his punishment Budget to deliver. The police should be alerted as he seems to be missing...

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He's been rumbled as a liar and untrustworthy. Now Dave, his protector, is no more he's gone to ground to lick his wounds.

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Does more money solve the issues? There has been money pumped into the NHS over the years and we are still and always have the same moans and gripes so surely more money isn't always the answer.

More managment no doubt will arise from more money. When i have done the odd bit of work within various hospitals there are many many people employed, many reception desks in differing departments manned by 2-3 people,(great for telling where to go ect) but at a vast cost.

Basically a whole industry off the back of the NHS?

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You and pretty much the rest of the country.

Fantastic leadership from our Chancellor.

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Oh sorry I've closed the page now and I don't keep history.
just kidding!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-exist-8280148

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Wonder why you don't keep history Gary :D

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To stop people annoying me asking for links all the time.

No, it's to to stop myself from seeing what I'm buying myself for Xmas :D

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Good news ! George has been, found ! Hiding in the No.11 cellar apparantly, like a naughty boy ;)

Anyway he's made a speech to reassure the markets this morning and they have reacted accordingly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36636853

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so we were losing out financially by been in the EU.

Then why are tax rises and more cuts needed as a result of the exit? Someone is telling fibs, either osborne using the EU as an excuse or the leave campaigners.

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The sad truth is politicians from all sides of the divide obfuscate and tell fibs so its pretty hard to tell when the odd politician is actually telling the truth Chrys.

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We are getting sold off at some point the whole Renal sector in Yorkshire the trust can't afford it apparently.

fresenius a maker of some of the dialysis machines we use (German made) have their own private units across the UK and make a pretty penny apparently.

However they pay much lower for their workers and a lot are employed through agencies and are usually from across the pond for example I am on 18k a year (band 2) while they pay just 16k to a (band 3) which in the NHS get around 19.4k

They have shown some interest in buying up some of these units and the NHS want to port staff across with protected pay for 2 years but fresenius have stipulated that staff would need to re-apply for jobs after that period starting at their lower rate of pay so for a Band 3 they start at (14k) rising to just over (16k) not sure what term that is over.

They also want to cherry pick staff as well. while the NHS will re-deploy staff it just goes to show that fresenius who are a German company has much influence on this country even on hour health service.

Could you blame our GOV for that allowing private companies to come in and do medical care? I'm not sure this could be part of the freedom of movement with being in the EU I guess businesses like this setting up?

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14k a year, how many hours a week is that for?

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Osborne abandons 2020 budget surplus target.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452

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Very sensible. It's realistically not achievable now.

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one could argue whether it was realistic beforehand

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Indeed.

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So all George's cuts and misery have been for nothing. He's abandoned his farcical 'must in in surplus by 2020, whatever the consequences promise. Thing is if he'd managed to stimulate some decent growth instead of cutting all the time, we might have be in surplus already. He's an abject failure.

Poor George, not to be leader, even his colleagues detest him. Never mind he's got his 'punishment budget' to deliver, which he will enjoy, Tories love punishment I hear.... ;)

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Unfortunately we better get used to the tories punishment because Labour will not be a contender to oust them for some time yet.

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well he showed the poor and vulnerable who was the daddy :shocked:

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True, but many of her policies remain (which some say is a good thing and others bad) and others still affect us today eg The Right To Buy scheme.

Absolutely.

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They don't have Government Whips for nothing ;)

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Have you ever seen the film If....?

Then you'll know why they're called whips. ;)

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to be fair, osborne is at least still concentrating on his job whilst his colleagues just fight for been leader.

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What has happened to George ?? Is no one grateful for the 6 years of misery he inflicted and massive amount of growth he created ??

Given the sack ? Ungrateful, the lot of you !

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He holed his reputation right below the waterline the moment he joined in project fear and the ridiculous £30b emergency revenge budget if we voted for Brexit.

Still I'm sure Dave's crony Companion of Honour award more than makes up for it.:rolleyes:

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l am surprised that Larry the cat has not been nominated by the old boys club.

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I don't normally go for the get yourself heavily in debt to invest and create jobs situation that the previous Labour governments seemed to favour. In fact, I'd far rather we lived within our means (as Osbourne appeared to believe), but we've been enduring severe cuts since 2010. Six years, and it does not appear to have made much difference. I would suggest that logic dictates it's time to try something else. This is something George appeared unable to do.

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George wasn't just using economics but personal agenda in much of his measures and I'd say the personal agenda blinded him at times to more sensible economics but given he's got sacked all by the by now i won't be shedding any tears at his departure.