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And your issue with that is?

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Don't think he has an issue, he's just applying the same logic as trump and sex tape. Rather than go for her being a liar, he went for the nudes. Ironically his wife has a history.

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Exactly ,his attitude shows a degree of hypocrisy .Not to mention that the First Lady is generally seen as an example of the country's morality ,good ,wholesome family maker sort of thing ,not a star of nude photos on the cover of GQ magazine and naked photos in a Lesbian themed shoot with a Swedish model.The whole thing is like an episode of South Park not an election to decide who runs the most powerful nation in the world

Trumps recent outburst shows he has his shocking attitude towards women in general on top of his attitude towards various ethnic groups

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This by the way is one of the worst outcomes: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...bate-interview

It depends what he means about not accepting the result but it's already hinted at the election being rigged. If he loses fairly, i.e we don't have another Florida event, but he still refuses to accept the result then the division in America could be extreme what with the proliferation of conspiracy theories these days. Hopefully moderate Republicans don't back it but you can bet RT, Sputnik and their ilk will be 'uncovering' stuff to feed those conspiracies.

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I did read claims about dead people being registered to vote. Not sure where I've seen it now. Sounds daft though.

Found it: http://m.richmond.com/news/virginia/....html?mode=jqm

Naturally Trump goers are claiming fix but unless these dead people actually vote for a candidate then its irrelevant? What if they vote for Trump.

Claiming fix implies either candidate knows too. This could be some Clinton or Trump fanatic doing it on their own back.

Not supporting a conspiracy theory but given revelations in the past decades I'd say Election rigging isn't that far fetched anymore. (MK Ultra, Project Northwoods as examples of the ludicrous come true) Luckily JFK stopped the latter event happening and some claim he paid the price for that. We'll find out next year what investigations really think happened though.

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You're thinking of Sideshow Bob in The Simpsons.

It is pretty far fetched. The American voting system is a mess and it allows a lot of mistakes to be made but conversely it also makes it hard for anyone to rig it in any real scale.

First of all the voting system isn't centralised. Each state has their own way of doing it and even then it can be devolved further to districts. This is partly why Florida was such a mess in 2000 as different districts had different ballots! Even the ballot forms aren't standardised. In the UK only the names change but the forms are a standard, simple design. In the USA they have complicated elections with many elections happening at once and often on the same form. So the choice for President shares a slip with choices for Senate and congressional races if required and god knows whatever other races they have running at the same time (local police sheriff, majors, etc).

Even if they tried to rig one state, a swing state, then it would require intervention and co-operation from a large amount of people.

There are issues though. People who share similar names to criminals being taken off the ballot, the fact ballot forms can be confusing (see butterfly ballots), long lines. All of which would be theory be done intentionally to disenfranchise voters. I.E Passing a law to require photo ID may prevent certain demographic groups from voting or making ballots confusing may impact older people, people with mental impairments and so on.

Again though it's not a fix and unless we get a close election where a few hundred votes in one state is the difference then we're not going to have a rigged election.

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...#ixzz4LuUIrnCa

So now we know why he didn't release his tax returns.

Meanwhile Trump has been accusing Hillary Clinton of cheating on her husband: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...on-bill-229011

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Amusing from a man who openly cheated on his first wife (with the woman who became his second wife, before he went on to divorce her as well...).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...97f_story.html

Hypocrisy, much?

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To be honest if she had who would've blamed her? Given her husbands track record I'm fairly sure no one would care if Hillary got some sweet revenge. Not really a viable attack for Trump as people would just point out good ole Bill was a bit of a dishonest man :erm:

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Who'd have thought there would be an election campaign that made the EU referendum campaign look almost civilised trump seems to be doing his best to scupper his own campaign. I've never thought highly of him as a businessman but he did appear to know how to play the politics game i bet right now the republican party is regretting having him as their one and only candidate.

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As above a lot of us, the media and even South Park are suggesting it was a stunt that went too far and now he's in a serious position to actually win, he's hitting the self destruct button whilst keeping the impression that he's still trying. Another theory is he thought his ridiculous approach would appeal to the Anti-crowd, stirring that pot with words like immigration and so forth. Hoping there'd be enough voters to actually win.

Then there's the tin foil approach with people suggesting Trump is the biggest asset of Clinton's campaign and has been actively trying to get her into the White House from the start.

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Of course we come up with all these ideas because we assume he must know what he is doing. Maybe he is just unhinged.

Another theory could be that whilst he would like to win he may not care too much if he loses. There were comments from 'insiders' during the Primary campaign that he ran as a publicity stunt, that he would run over last Summer only to drop out early this year. However his natural flair for reality television worked too well and his outlandish statements to attack media attention also won him votes. Either way if he doesn't mind losing it then that might explain why he feels unable to take advice and why he didn't prepare for the debate.

I just don't think he has the drive, intelligence or temperament to be President. Presidents are authoritative and calm figures. They don't tweet about sex tapes or mock veterans. In modern times at least they don't make disparaging comments about other genders and races.

No matter who wins it wont be good......... The USA is beyond hope!!

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Despite his doctors assurance there's still a part of me puts his erratic behaviour down to Alzheimer's or some other degenerative condition. Neither candidate is ideal age wise if nothing else and both represent the past rather then the future.

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It's more likely to be sociopathy than anything degenerative.

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More from Trump: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us...ump-women.html

To be honest this doesn't come as a surprise although it's actually gaining traction as a story. It's pretty much how he has talked about women in this campaign and partly why his supporters love him. I guess the element of pushing himself on them is bad but, again, it's not exactly going to shock anyone.

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I assumed a lot of rich people did this. Obviously not labelling all of them but yeah Trump strikes me as the guy that gets it all his own way and they never make a peep because Money. He should've taken Cosby on as his running mate.

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The man is a total aberration and god help us if he gets elected president in November.

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Or Bill Clinton?

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Still not sure why this time he has gone too far as compared to all the other times. His defenders can't pretend his attitude towards women is new here.

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Yeah and he's apologised, that the first time? This is pretty much the point he guaranteed a loss.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37595079

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Wikileaks and the Russians are up to it again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37595047

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I think a lot of Americans are so fed up with their usual presidential fare that they'll accept virtually anything Trump does. Let's not forget there are plenty of ugly skeletons in the past of many a past president, including JFK whose undoubted charisma has blinded a great many people to the various things he got up to. Clinton's period in office was hardly whiter than white but because he talks the right sort of talk a lot of people are seemingly willing to overlook his transgressions...

It wasn't that many years before Trump was being rude about women during a private conversation, that the then President Clinton was engaged in appalling behaviour in the Oval Office. Rightly or wrongly, many will say he was actually doing what Trump was only bragging about... :shrug:

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I think bookies will start taking bets on when he will quit. And if he doesnt. Then his party will be pass a motionof no confidence.
I wonder what dirt will come out next

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Too late for all of that.

The election is in a month.

It will be between Trump and Clinton.

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From what l have read and seen on Tv. There are going to be lawyers, rubbing there hands in the morning with Law suits, coming from the Clintons.

Trump has actually called Hilary a 'bully' on Tv. You cannot get a better slander but than that.

On the Bill Clinton bit. I can see a law suit coming from that.

I think the polls are still neck and neck.

If Trump wins, l cannot see him living long. He will need Double Secret Service personnel. Someone is bound to take a shot at him.

He is a disgrace to the United States. Just think all that money he has. He will try and rule the world.

Come on Clinton

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What makes you think that Clinton is the right choice? They're both just as bad as each other.

If I had to choose between the lesser of 2 evils, I wouldn't choose Clinton.

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Both are dodgy financially and morally neither one would be any sane person's choice for president and no matter which one eventually wins the US is going to be a very divided nation and neither candidate has what it takes to bridge the divide. A country as large and populus as the US and these two are the best they can put up for office, that in itself is a sad indictment of the political state of affairs. Seems no matter where you go in the western world there isn't much political talent to be found maybe it's time for a revolution or two :erm:.

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False equivalence.

Clinton and her husband have been extensively investigated over the last 25 years, again and again, yet never been prosecuted - there have been multiple Benghazi investigations, but nothing found, and regarding the "email scandal", she was doing exactly the same as her Republican predecessors in the State House, but they haven't been investigated.

Comparing someone who has been a very effective Senator and Secretary of State, known for working across party lines, with a sexist blowhard business failure just plays into Trump's hands..

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I look at it this way. Trump will ruin the relationshop with all countries that the US deal with. He has upset a great deal of women.

He will also cause wars with his stand againsy migrants.

He has NO experience as a politican. Yet Clinton has

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A poll has now put Clinton ahead in Ohio. Trump's main route to success would require both Ohio and Florida. If Clinton wins one and certainly both she wins the Presidency.

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Reagan was a B movie actor but turned out to be a capable president. I think that many people are fed up to the back teeth with carear politicians and might well go for the alternative however abrasive he seems. It's a refreshing change. :erm:

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The Russians want Trump. Wikileaks just happened to drop Clinton documents on the back of Trump's fresh scandal. The Russians and Wikileaks have been tied for ages.

Suggestions the next debate will see Trump go for her neck and go full out on trashing Bill Clinton and Hillary's role in his past doings.

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He was also Governor of California for 6 years prior to running for President.

He is a bit more than 'abrasive' though.

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Problem for them is as much as many Americans hate Clinton they hate Russia more and are unlikely to trust Wikileaks/Russia in addition to be repulsed by the idea they're trying to influence an election. Any American seen to be working them would be bordering on treason.

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What a choice - Clinton or Trump? :spin:

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It's more, I struggle to see how Wikileaks can maintain a Batman like image given recent events regarding Russia in Syria. I've heard an explanation before but I've forgotten the theory or reason Wikileaks and Russia have some form of agreement. This is based on Wikileaks having not targeted Russia in some time. I'm sure some American Patriots still hate Wikileaks too so it's not really anything game changing.

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I don't know what agreement they have but they're passing things onto Wikileaks and their puppet Assange.

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I think the donald might have just edged this one

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CNN and YouGov polls have given it to Clinton albeit by a smaller margin than the last debate. I haven't seen the debate but the reaction so far seems to be that Trump did better than last time and avoided disaster.

We will have to see if it has any effect. Threatening to jail Clinton is started to develop as a the story from it.

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As Damien says he'd been a Governor for six years before running for president, and had been active in politics before then doing campaigns and speeches, so he had served an apprenticeship of sorts before becoming a presidential candidate.

Donald Trump has done none of these things. He's a businessman (in the loosest sense of the term) with a very high media profile and no other qualifications.

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I listened to portions of the debate. One thing was concerning: Clinton said she would take military action against Assad. This would put the US in direct conflict with Assad's allies the Russians.

Not a wise move IMHO especially as the US tends to have identification issues on the battlefield. One can only imagine the repucussions of killing several hundred Russian troops in Syria.

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I can't find the bit where she suggested military action against Assad. She did explicitly rule out ground troops.

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I was partly asleep, I thought it was quoted from Clinton but seems to be another reference:

Link

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She said it, a no fly zone is military action...

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...w-ties-crumble

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Yeah I believe Pence has suggested it but Trump has ruled it out and spoke positively of Russia's role.

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I guess that would qualify but it don't think it's as dramatic as what Pence suggested or a full-scale intervention.

Besides we can't keep letting Russia get away with everything. Trump doesn't want to do it because he's Putin's useful idiot, even talking of scaling back/leaving NATO. If there isn't push back against them then how long before they annex more of Eastern Europe which they judge to be theres? :erm:

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http://nypost.com/2016/10/10/focused...second-debate/

Trump trounces Hillary. Nypost go with that.

He did what was expected though, turned his own story into the Bill Clinton scandal. That was another huge thing to take away. Trump had the alleged victims at the debate and people will take this away as a good move for Trump, he also had a rape victim there in which the alleged attacker was defended by Clinton as seen below.

Kathy Shelton (in blue). A man who raped her when she was 12 was defended by Mrs Clinton when she was a lawyer. An audio tape emerged years later of Mrs Clinton laughing about the case.

When Trump is in self destruct over his ridiculous stance on Women, this doesn't help Clinton.

As above: 'I'd put you in jail'

Those Hillary Clinton emails again.

Mr Trump says he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Mrs Clinton's deletion of 33,000 emails held on a private server when she was secretary of state.

Clinton: "It's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country."

Trump: "Because you'd be in jail."

Another that is leading the news after the debate.

All I can take away is, if there's no dirt to dish out and rant about then he struggles to hold a debate. He's done a lot better in full Trump mode.

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I don't think threatening her with jail is going to improve his numbers with anyone other than those who are already voting for him.

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The question is are those core Trump voters enough to win the election for him? I doubt it, as he's managed to insult most of the identified voting blocs, and seems to be relying on those who think that Larry the Cable Guy is an actual person...

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First polling after the tape, before debate: https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/...10205811482624

That is dreadful for Trump. Extraordinary margin.

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Russia/Wikileaks will have to have some hell of an e-mail at the moment.

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l expect her to win quite comfortably as once people are in the privacy of the voting booths they will go for the safest option and compared to Trump she is that.

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I think it'll be a lot closer than many people think.

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The only ones voting for Trump are the ones already voting for him.

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That's what the majority thought would happen with Brexit.

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If so, he's lost.

Which is why I worry but it's worth mentioning the Brexit polls did suggest a 50-50 tie roughly and the polling in the States is historically more reliable than we have here.

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If l had a comparison it would be the UK general election result as generally voters will always go for the least worse option as we saw in the 2015 general election and many others before that.

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I wonder if there has ever been a single incident as costly as that tape in US Elections? Famous moments like Kennedy/Nixon sure but did any of them move the polls so much?

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If Wikileaks and Russia had anything that good (They claim to have loads but clearly they're more of the same) They'd be out right now in response to Trump's tape. What they have released isn't enough to soften the blow and is surely evidence itself there isn't really anything to derail the campaign.

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If l am not wrong, wasn't Bill Clinton going to impeached for his 'he had that affair' What Trump is doing is to try and put the shoe on the other foot.

The emails from Hilary were checked out by the FBI. You cannot get bigger than that.

When Hilary was a lawyer - she was doing her job, protecting her client.

I think Trump will destroy USA if he wins. He may be a wealthy businessman. BUT can he run the toughest job on the planet - l don't think so

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You're missing the points a bit.

Bill Clinton going to impeached for his 'he had that affair' What Trump is doing is to try and put the shoe on the other foot.

This is a very shady area, a lot of people believe Bill Clinton did a lot more than merely have an affair and that's what Trump brought up and went after. It's all well to remember 'Allegedly' is a key word here. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations He admitted affairs with two and settled a harassment case with Paula Jones.

The emails from Hilary were checked out by the FBI. You cannot get bigger than that - Albeit two key people were given immunity deals for what now appears to absolutely nothing. One of these key people was found to have been trying to edit emails that were under the investigation of the FBI, something which is a federal offence. So naturally the whole thing has been sketchy from the start. That's why Trump brought it up. Trump is suggesting the FBI botched the entire thing and there's naturally good reasons to believe they did. - My Input, Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/us...stigation.html

When Hilary was a lawyer - she was doing her job, protecting her client. - This was Trump being clever, days after being brought up on his nonsense he uses Hillary protecting a man from a rape charge. The point in this case he made was Hillary was then caught laughing about the case. He tried to make her look hypocritical. - General Explanation

My input on the Lawyer situation. It was to my understanding she never wanted the case. Her laughing was never to points about rape or the victim. It was just twisted that way, not by Trump but by others for years previously. Trump merely brought it back up to use as ammo. A little digging and research into the subject will reveal that most of the story is warped in trying to make Hillary look pretty bad. So whilst Trump wasn't lying, he wasn't exactly presenting the proper facts of it. Source: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ghed-about-it/

This isn't me agreeing with anything, this is me explaining the ideas behind his statements in my own words and using sources to help you better understand what Trump was getting at. So you see, even if the last point is borderline BS, which it is, it doesn't matter, it makes her look bad because people are happy to eat it up without even questioning it. She laughed, but did she laugh at a 12 year old rape victim? No. Do people believe she did before or after? Yes. Trump used it for this exact reason. Again he's using facts but they're very skewed in his favour.
These weren't arguments presented in the form you think they were, they were presented in the form of attacking Clinton and her husbands reputation. They had nothing to do with any debate really.

Whilst I'm sure it makes for an entertaining watch, all in all it's a pretty embarrassing exchange between two people looking to lead a country in which Trump is the more embarrassing of the two. The only point here I even lean towards is the FBI investigation was a botch job from the offset, it was a monumental failure and more and more things surface that show just how badly it was conducted and Trump would be correct in calling for a separate investigation. Other than that it was just childish at best. Rather than appeal to undecided voters it was both sides attacking the credibility of the other in attempts to gain voters from each side.

Has there ever been someone bring up Rape and harassment in a debate before? Serious question. One has to wonder if this is the most ridiculous Presidential run up there's ever been. Not like we need an answer to that.

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Looks like the debate last night might not have stemmed the bleeding: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...h-trump-229536

and http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...answers-229556

The RNC is coming close to abandoning Trump altogether and trying the salvage the house and senate races.

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If it wasn't already done before it's done now. Be pretty amazed if Trump won.

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Trump needs some game-changer. Wikileaks did a leaked a bunch more e-mails today but there is nothing really there other than gossip about campaign staff. It's also an issue no-one knows if they should be trusted as genuine or not.

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Said it above, there's clearly nothing massive as they'd be dropping it all right now when it's needed most. Bar a JFK moment, this is done. Aligning with the Russians will have people questioning the credibility of the documents as you've stated.

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This story: http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir-...k-508635?rm=eu

Is a indication as to why people might not trust the Wikileak e-mails and why people should be concerned about Trump and Russia.

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Maybe there'll be calls to re-run the election if the US gets the 'wrong' result in the form of Trump. Now where have I heard that before?... :confused:

;)

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Trump is the only one so far suggesting he won't accept the loss: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.7a9e484e1d4e

And no doubt RT, Sputnik and the alt-right American blogs will fuel those conspiracy theories.

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Whatever happens there'll be cries of 'foul' but those on the losing side will clearly cry the loudest... ;)

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We'll see, Trump has the advantage in that case of Putin weighing in.

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Not really.

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Interesting polls!

How the American electorate seems to be fracturing along different lines: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ote-maps-2016/ Especially white people with and those without a college degree.

Clinton 9-points up in Ohio: http://www.cleveland.com/open/index....llary_cli.html

Clinton winning Ohio would probably mean she is President even if Trump does better than expected elsewhere.

Also. If just men voted:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/10/17.jpg

If just women voted:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/10/18.jpg

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The average American woman obviously has more brain cells than the average American man.

Homer Simpson/Peter Griffin - crass stereotypes, beginning to think not.... (Marge if deffo a Democrat, blue hair)

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Still have a horrible feeling Trump will win. Might just be pessimism because the polls are horrible for him but still...

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It was actually much the same split here with our most recent plebiscite.

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It is becoming a common fault-line across Western politics IIRC. People who've done worse/stayed the same from globalisation vs those who've done well. Although it also seems fixed in with nostalgia for the past. I.E The demographic breakdowns aren't too dissimilar for things like gay marriage but I don't understand why that should split along those lines....

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Yep, the data bears it out nicely.

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Might all be worth the horror show just to see how much the world will change during the 4 yrs with him in charge of America and the UK out of the EU .

Predictions anyone :D

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Trump is not the same as Brexit. Some of his support might be the same, some, but what he represents isn't the same.

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Trump is not pleasant in anyway but lets not pretend clinton is much better case of damned if you do damned if you dont for american voter's, one thing this presidential campaign doe's seem to have done is focus the minds of more american's that their system needs change which might be good for the future.

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Are arf

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...4&d=1476383352

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Just back today from the states.everyone i spoke to there hate both candidates .they preferred the vice presidents overwhelmingly.i think clinton will win because she is a known quantity and dear old donald is a loose cannon.he is treating this race as an reality show which is actually a true reality show !.no such thing as bad publicity for the donald.

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I think a lot of Republicans wouldn't mind if Trump loses. First of all they've previously spoken highly of Clinton as a senator, they have legitimate concerns over him and finally they might fancy their chances of taking the White House in 4 years instead of going though the melodrama of another Trump run in 4 years they'll either have to back or force him out via the primaries.

At the moment they thinking he is taking the party down with him.

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Incidentally Trump says he has proof the latest allegations are false and he'll release this evidence at some point in the future.

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I wonder why he won't release it now?

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He doesn't play the media game I guess. But he has great evidence, the best evidence, evidence like you've never seen. Just so much evidence. I think it must just be with his plan to defeat ISIS, it's that great plan he also hasn't been able to show us.

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You can't expect him to produce it now as it'll take time to create it first, gonna be some midnight oil being burnt by his creative history department tonight.

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Guess which country Trump is refusing to hear intelligence reports about: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...014-story.html

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Is it the same country his handlers are from

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It's a little bit rich when the DNC complain that Russia is trying fix the election, when it's quite evident that the US mainstream media already have that in hand.

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Trump is doing all this himself. The press is right to uncover these stories. I mean Fox News are even struggling to help him. Maybe in some parts of America the stuff he said is fair but largely it's not and the media reflect that.

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Nothing more inspiring than a potential Commander in Chief who refuses to listen to intelligence reports on things he may not like.

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I disagree. Mainstream Media in the US is really behaving bad here. I mean these women suddenly coming forward less than a month before the Election and they have had all the time in the World to come forward, why wait now? One of the accusers has been allegedly routed out as one of Hillary's friend and donor. If indeed these so called allegations are true, which I don't think they are at ALL.

Despite all the crap being thrown at Trump, I would not write him off. He has almost twice as many facebook followers than Hillary has and most of my American friends are voting for him, they cannot stand Hillary to be President, with them suggesting, she is, as 'bent' as they come. Trump is no Angel either, they know that but they want to rock the establishment and Hillary already is and has been a part of that for a number of years already.

The Democrats can see the video from 11 years ago has had zero impact on Trumps popularity. So, just you watch it, we're a few days away from the next and final debate. Just watch more nasty and made up BS come out for either candidate.

With the crap we had to put up with with our Brexit referendum and the US Elections, this year has been a load of bollocks for democracy.

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I hope trump wins, why should we be the only ones being laughed at for brexit. I can actually see him winning to, the parallels between this and our referendum vote are striking for me plus I bet a lot of people vote for the donald when they told their friends and pollsters they wouldn't

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They've presumably come forward because of the tape. I think the media have only done a bad job in the sense a lot of this stuff about his taxes, his treatment of women and so on should have come up in the primaries but they treated him as a showman and didn't do their jobs.

Clinton by comparison has been at the top of politics for 20 years. First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State so she has been rather heavily vetted already.

It's probably not the end of it. Trump is 70 years old and has not had his background looked at that closely. The media didn't do their jobs in the primaries and nor did his Republican rivals (what the hell they were doing is a valid question too) but now everyone is looking at everything.

By the way Trump banned his campaign from doing their own opposition research into him. If they had then they would be better prepared.

OK but it's harder for him to make a convincing denial when there is a tape of him bragging of that kind of behaviour.

Corbyn has more Facebook friends than the entirety of the Tory Party. All of Twitter loved Miliband. I would trust polling numbers, fallible as they are, over internet followers.

Besides Trump is a made-for-internet candidate. He loves insulting people, he speaks in quips, goes on about women, muslims and minorities. His campaign is the living embodiment of a Internet comments section.

It really has had an impact. The first debate is when things started going bad for him but the video sent the campaign tumbling. His main hope is probably something big comes up against Clinton but that's harder to achieve given how long she has been around. It would have to be a deadly Wikileaks e-mail or she collapses or something.


Look at the polling average here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...nton-5491.html

It's a big drop

Well I will watch it. If the last year has told us anything it's that surprises can happen. However I think he needs a game changer and I don't know what that would be.

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BTW Trump is currently on a Tweet rant again. Saying the election is rigged. Look more and more like he won't concede should he lose. This could get nasty.

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How can it be rigged? Each state runs their own election systems, not the Federal government, and 23 of the States are run by Republican Governors and have Republican majorities in the State Senates and the State Houses, and 20 have shared control between Republicans and Democrats.

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He presumably knows that (maybe not) but he assumes, maybe rightly, that his supporters don't know.

I think he is becoming quite dangerous now. His rallies are full of very angry people. He is telling them the election is rigged and to go to polling stations to make sure it's not.

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They always have been, his vote is the angry vote. Angry at the political establishment.

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Angry people aren't renowned for making the best decisions in any given situation.

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True, but it's best not to ignore them either.

If Clinton wins, and it's likely she will, she best be careful because the next trump or worse is out there and they will find an audience.

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Agree entirely. Best to try and demonstrate to them why they are being sold BS to keep them angry.

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Yes. We're lucky (probably) that Trump is not talented enough, has a lot of baggage and maybe even unbalanced. If he does lose he has proved there is an audience other there who can be reached and a more talented and calculating person might be able to exploit it.

The Republicans will also have to sort themselves out. They've fanned these flames as well. It's only now a few of them seem terrified albeit they've never liked him. Romney to his credit spoke out early.