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Burnham did do a lot to get the inquiry into Hillsborough to happen at a time when many were quite cynical about the idea of it or the idea that the police and media where wrong so you have to give them that. Also he is from the area and their MP so this isn't really a surprise.

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Bit presumptuous anyway, who says the Sun would want to interview him anyway if he was leader?

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None of that would preclude him from trying just as hard to get to he bottom of, accept some responsibility for and punish those responsible for the a truly shocking disaster many times the scale of Hillsborough. He won't do that however because at the time the NHS was 'safe' in Labour's hands and they'd much prefer it to be forgotten about.

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Wow!

Corbyn swept the board with over 59% of the votes in the first round, over 225,000 votes.

Andy Burnham 19%
Yvette Cooper 17%
Liz Kendall 4.5%
Jeremy Corbyn 59.5%

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oh heck i suppose Arthur will defect to the Tory's now :)

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It is amusing but I'm a little worried that voters in this country might be stupid enough to swallow his socialist cr*p and actually vote him in as prime minister! :erm:

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Just imagine for a moment just how ridiculous Cooper and Burnham must feel having been defeated by the supposed joker in the pack. Well they would do if they had a shred of humility anyway...

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If they're stupid enough to do that then frankly they deserve the chaos which will result.

I have a feeling that Corbyn's going to be exposed once the questions get tougher and his audience becomes larger.

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First impression of him is that he sounds more like a leader than Miliand ever did. But I'm hoping he totally screws up Labour and their chance of getting back into power.

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Not all that difficult... :D

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Labour commits corporate suicide ... Good ... Good ...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/09/4.gif

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It'll be like the 1970's again. :D

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I'm hoping the 2020 election may be something of a re-run of 1983, personally. With any luck we might even see some 21st century Labour centrists forming a latter day SDP, which should split the vote nicely.

In the meantime, if Corbyn is good for anything, then during the honeymoon period he will undoubtedly have over the next 18 months, he might just add a few votes to the EU exit campaign.

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I wonder how many people in 2020 will be saying they want Blair back running the Party? Maybe that's the plan. Get the Party so ruined that Blair will be seen as the Messiah again who will come and resurrect them from the ashes to lead them to glory again.

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sex booze and heavy rock -i'm in [it'll probably kill me but i'll give it whirl for old times sake ].

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I heard Degsy Hatton and Red Ken have been having naughty dreams... :D

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You haven't had sex, booze or heavy rock since the 1970's???!!! :eeek:




:D

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does any one get much of the above after they get married ?

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I'm willing to watch how he does in the coming years.I have been a tory voter for most of my 40 years of voting apart from a couple of detours(blair big mistake).There is a huge number of voters who have never had a "true labour" government in power.As i have got older i have got to say i am sick of recent governments cowtowing towards big private business.Can anyone convince me that we have not been shafted on prices by the privatised gas,electricity etc.All they function for is to line the shareholders pockets.Never mind the plebs who pay.I would be happy to re nationalise gas,elec,rail,instead of paying dividends to parasites.

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:tu:

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Yes - but if the wife finds out, you are in deep doo-doo!! ;)

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Excellent result. Opens a debate rather than England having a choice of centre-right, more-centrist-right, centre-slightly-right, and chameleon.

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I'd agree except the media will do the usual hatchet job as they did with Kinnock and Milliband..There will be no debate.

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+1.

Allows people to a range of policies, not just Tory and Tory-light.

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Looks as though Corbyn is quite aware and is striking pre-emptively.

Look at who runs the media. Of course his policies will have a bumpy ride. At least he appreciates it rather than trying to accommodate it.

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Nu Labour luvvies are resigning in droves. Good riddance.

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Bliar's vote of no confidence in Corbyn was all that was required... :D

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Burnham's thought of the day:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34233876

Pity he wouldn't recognise conviction if he had one.

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Under the right circumstances he could still get in. This is a disaster for both Tories and moderate liberals.

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I think the parties represent where the public are. Most people don't want big ideological shifts IMO.

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:tu:

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I think Corbyn's wheels will come off long before the next election, then it'll be interesting to see whether Labour can be at all credible.

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Well at least there is clear blue water now so its up to the electorate to decide in 5 years if he is still there.

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Not sure clear is the right word to describe Corbyn's policies... ;)

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Clear red water, I think you mean, Den.

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:)

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Well, this will be fun.

I am a bit of a lefty, but believe in free markets, abolitions of all glass ceilings and free movements of people as a way of tackling inequality as opposed to nationalisations, trade protectionism and the lack of freedom of choice economically.

Corbyn isn't really for me (But Lab hasn't been really for years: Voted Lib Dem in 2010 and didn't go back to Lab in 2015), but if it starts a proper debate, good.

As for the arguments that Corbyn is trying to bring back the 70's? Well frankly, that's a non sequitur. The Conservatives very ethos pre-dates the Labour movement, and aside from nicking other peoples policies (The Living Wage, Tax Allowance raises) most are very old ideas. Small government, lower taxes, especially for the rich and being pro big business.

Hell, if you look at their main policies, in respect to trade and busniess the Tories use Laissez-faire policies on the main, which date back to the 1850's in the UK, and in terms of the policies on issues like border control, they swing the other way towards protectionism, which dates back even further.

Yes, it is fine to criticise Corbyn's ideology, but if you do, at least stop being lazy and saying "lol 70's". After all, the post communism movements of the left over here came about after decades or more of the likes of the Conservative movement, and Classical Liberalism (Of which I am more of a fan really) dominating UK politics. Yes, he's old school, but Cameron and co follow a much older doctrine.

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When people talk about the 70s in this context, I think it's the turbulence and economic stagnation of the decade they're thinking of, rather than it being a step back in time per se.

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You got it. Plus the fashions... :D

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I really don't think so, frankly. It's an oft stated viewpoint on here and elsewhere and very rarely have I seen that as a reason, rather his views are merely from the 70's, thus bad. It's a legitimate point of course, however given the fact that we have suffered 2 comparable recessions since under doctrines of the centre to centre right then it's a bit moot.

Our economy has been battered, bruised and somehow managed to recover no matter who is in charge. As I said before, I am anti-nationalisation and do not believe that economic restriction that Corbyn prefers will help our economy.

Funnily enough, I think this may trip up Cameron in the EU referendum. Those on the left are generally anti-EU, because aside from the awful CAP, they (especially the EC) believe in free trade (Hence the TTIP) and abolition, rather than creation of nationalised industry and Corbyn frankly may favour an exit of the EU.

Corbyn may really want to lower inequality, and firmly believe that he can achieve it. However he should not do that by destroying wealth, as his policies seem wont to do. His challenge is to make sure not to destroy employment by trying to control the economy, especially private enterprise.

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I don't understand why being radically different is commendable for a party who wants to be the next Government? The nature of our system means that one of these two parties will be governing the country and as a result both of them have to gain support from a broad section of the electorate and most of them are centrists - this has been shown time and time again at election time - so to move away from them to appeal to a narrow but motivated minority seems to be nothing but self-indulgent wallowing. Labour are meant to be a party who seek to govern not a pressure group. The fringe parties are better places to promote radical ideas.

What really is the point of Labour if they don't want to win elections? You can talk about finally having a choice but if a party has no chance of winning an election then there isn't really a choice...

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Well, if most of the electorate are centrists, they done a great job of hiding it by the majority (Scotland very much excluded) for the Centre-Right Tories or the Right-Wing UKIP. The main Centre party got destroyed, despite being a successful moderating force in coalition politics. The electorate is much more polarised than the almost homogenised debates we had from 2001 to 2015 especially where policy took second place to who sounded the best at saying the same things.

Taking aim again at the centre may well end with more Tory victories as people get sick of hearing the same things and as long as they don't totally mess up the economy as it stands, the Labour party will not win any credibility by shouting "We disagree, a bit!"

In a democratic system where getting 40% of the vote results in landslide results, a pull to the left can work politically if it gets even 10% of the 33% of the electorate who did not vote in the 2015 election.

Disagree or agree with the guy, to write him off is folly, and Cameron will do well to treat him as a very, very dangerous adversary indeed.

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He reminds me so much of Michael Foot, but with facial hair.

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It's going to be the media that decide his fate..but tempered by social networks like Facebook.

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The only good thing that I've seen Corbyn connected with is his dislike of the EU.

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If the cable forum reality spins on the same axis as the real world reality then the bookies made a few quid going by the above poll and the subsequent win by Mr Corbyn :D:D

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[gloat] Watching the Labour party implode [/gloat]

Never has the phrase "Be careful what you wish for" been so appropriate.

With Labour under Corbyn now being anti EU. Cameron will have his work cut out to try and persuade us he has made a deal with the German apparatchiks that is good for us (NOT)

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Chuka Umunna refuses to be in the shadow cabinet as he wants unconditional campaigning to stay in the EU.

As does Emma Reynolds.

https://twitter.com/EmmaReynoldsMP/s...65613754580993

So, regardless of what is achieved in a renegotiation, regardless of that the EU thinks the Tories should be cutting harder and faster, regardless that the EU costs us billions a year, regardless that the EU and ECB brutally subjugated Greece by destroying its economy, regardless that Schengen is falling apart and the EU constantly bickering we must apparently campaign to stay in.

Ideological delusion.

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John McDonnell has been appointed Shadow Chancellor and within minutes everyone can point to this: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...and.devolution

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Well, it remains to be seen if the predictions of doom are correct, maybe after a term of unfettered Tory administration, people may find tired old left wing policies to be more palatable.

Maybe the Lib Dems can regain the ground they lost, and claim some back from the disgruntled Labour moderates.

Maybe Corbyn will be ousted, or maybe there will be a split.

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Who knows what the future holds as it can be very dangerous to predict things in a increasingly volatile world....

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Just been listening to an interview with Emily Thornbury on BBC Breakfast on the subject of defence, since it appears she may be in line for the role of shadow defence secretary. She reckons we shouldn't have nuclear weapons because using them would "be killing women and children". I see she's not too bothered about men being killed by that's no surprise is it. Anyway, nuclear weapons aside I'm not sure many wars have been fought in which women and children weren't killed so I wonder what our armed forces would look like in her world. :erm:

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At the end of the day Corbyn will have to work with the MPs he has..and without their support he's going to have a hard time implementing some of his policies..So I suggest that some of the hard left stuff and the hard right stuff and the centerist stuff will be adapted to a fudged try to fit all policies..

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It's nice to see such a charming man appointed Shadow Chancellor - John McDonnell - an MP who only a few years ago claimed he'd like to have been able to assassinate a former prime minister. Can you imagine the vitriol hypocrite extremists like him would level at any Tory who did such a thing?

The thing about people like this is that under the soft looking exterior they're in many ways as extreme as those they spend their lives condemning.

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Interesting to read comments on Billy Bragg's FB pages (and others like them).

Staunch supporters of Jeremy Corbyn are saying those who have resigned from the shadow cabinet, and other MPs who are not "loyal" to Jeremy should be deselected.

Seems an unusual viewpoint as one of JC's selling points about "being different" was how often he had rebelled against the Labour Party line (you know, being "disloyal").

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Those on the extremes always love a good purge of those they see as lacking 'ideological purity'.

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I think there'll be plenty more examples of blatant double standards and hypocrisy evident in coming weeks/months.

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I think you need to get some perspective. I doubt many would characterise the Labour Shadow Cabinet as extremists

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Does the leader of the opposition get briefed by the security services?

If so I pity the poor spook that has to do his vetting.

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*looks at link*

Yeah, former labour activist my behind. I can't wait to see what other right wing mouthpieces are cited here.

Corbyn is a lefty, we get it, citing extreme right wing sites that make Fox look unbiased is...weird.

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The author of the article is the founder of Sharia Watch and she was de-selected from UKIP.


She makes statements like "Avoid eating halal meat as the profits are used by the Jihadis",

Coming to think of it, Corbyn is vegeterian, so by eating vegies you support the red lefties :rolleyes: or the Green party

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He has to join the Privy Council I believe and there has been some confusion on if he is going to do it.

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You never know.Staunch socialists can and do change their views.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10196868

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So rather than look at the information you dismiss it based on the identity of the messenger.
Typical lefty spin. Ignore what's said and rubbish the source :rolleyes:

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Well, if the source has a history of being biased/talking rubbish, it's fair game to rubbish the source, IMHO.

btw, both sides of the political spectrum do it, not just the 'lefties'.

Back to the thread topic, I am willing to let his current/future words and actions make my mind up about him and his team, rather than just write him off.

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From unelectable buffoon who doesn't know if he needs a dump or a haircut to unelectable faux militant. Doesn't it just get better and better for Labour.

This party will self destruct in 5...4.3.2.1

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I think it's very clear that Corbyn opposes free speech. He is part of what's been termed the 'regressive left'. Opposes the politically correct mantra and his crew are all over you.

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what makes you think that?

I think he speaks to carefully because everybody in the media tries to twist what he says...

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No time for corbyn or his views tbh but it will be good to have an opposition with some clear blue water between it and the current government as for the last decade they were all a mangled mess all seemingly singing from the same hymn sheet just some were a little louder then the others. Does it make labour unelectable in the next general election I don't know guess it will depend how annoyed the public are with Cameron's cronies by then.

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He doesn't help himself and it looks like Labour will have to spend a good chunk of time explaining the 'context' of what he has previously said. Especially since he doesn't seem to want to give interviews himself.

For example he wouldn't condemn ISIS explicitly. Instead he engaged in the irritating moral relativism that is characteristic of his type. That is he would only seem to condemn ISIS by also condemning America at the same time 'ISIS just have terrible things, just as America have done terrible things' as if you can draw any parallels between the two when I don't think you can.

Corbyn comes from the wing of politics, and there are people on both the left and the right who do this, that think their opponents aren't just wrong but are evil. You can't deal with people like that, they're too far gone from rational and moderate discourse.

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You must've missed the part where he attended a rally protesting the printing of cartoons of Muhammad by a Danish publication.

A direct quote from him during that rally:

A rally organised by a group who opposed repeal of section 28 of the Local Government Act stating:

If he insists on supporting bigoted fascists who oppose free speech and demand blasphemy laws to protect their religious sensibilities he only has himself to blame if he is tarred with a similar brush.

I'm sure I could find countless other examples.

I admire the man's passion, and I am a firm believer in the plurality he will bring to our politics, but I consider him illiberal, his associations with countless extremely questionable parties cast a shadow over him, and his ability to identify many of the issues in our society, but providing disastrous solutions, infuriating.

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Corbyn's been able to say pretty much what he wanted for years because nobody much was listening and even fewer cared. Now he's well and truly in the spotlight and every word he speaks will be scrutinised and compared against his past utterings. It's just a question of time before he's exposed as the liability he is.

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We're also going to have to deal with years of whining and accusations of conspiracy overtime a news outlet dares expose one of these things he has said or done. That's what seems to happen now, everyone gets into their little groups and everything said against their party is deemed to be part of the great media conspiracy.

It's useful for political leaders to be portray the media as against them as then they can rarely be held to account as every negative story isn't something that they should answer but a subversion of the democratic process which engages their support.

Bah.

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Oh blimey.

The really epic part about this is that he would fail, and fail hard, even the more superficial vetting.

EDIT: I ignore there the abysmal English in the above copy/paste from a national newspaper website, it being very clear to all by now that no-one bothers to proof-read anything they upload to websites, merely relying on the spell checker.

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Presumably he doesn't require the vetting now? Getting an effective pass because he is the leader of the opposition and thus entitled to the post.

At least he has accepted it though.

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And having Tony or Dave was a choice, copying someone else to a degree where you can't tell them apart isn't a choice either

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Given how he keeps being described as a serious threat to Britain wouldn't it be advisable to keep him well away from sensitive information or launch a drone against him in the same way we did those isis brits who were also a serious threat

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He will be in a position where all manner of highly sensitive information will come his way. Information that some of his 'friends' would quite literally kill to get access to.

He wouldn't pass vetting in a million years which puts the security services in a bind. Do they restrict what he gets access to and get busy with the redacting pens, give him full access and hope for the best or pay some very close attention to his meetings and communications.

Not an easy one whatever happens.

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I imagine MI5 have been watching him for a while and the level of scrutiny went up several notches last weekend.

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I am not sure they can decide to withhold information from him can't they? Surely people elected to positions that come with a privy council invitation are immune from seeking clearance?

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I can see Corbyn and his red comrades exploiting the information, quite literally killing (your words) anybody they do not like! The blue skies of Britain will be littered with red drones, right and right (not left). :p:
Come on, Corbyn is a re-conciliator!

@Ignitionet I did miss Corbyn's stance on the Mohamed's cartoon publication. Hmmm, not nice, I do not like it. Thanks. Good point.

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erm, 'literally' can be used for added effect...

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...lish/literally

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You do realise that a fair proportion of his constituency are Muslims,Hindus,Sikhs..this may explain some of his past utterances..Anyway we are a long way from a general election..and all your fears may never come to pass..;)

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In which case down goes his claim to be genuine, not like other politicians and say what he thinks.

If he's telling people what they want to hear in order to get elected, at the expense of the principles he apparently holds dear, that speaks badly of him.

It's a no-win when you come out with some of the things he has and associate with some of the groups and people he has.

If he's telling Muslims he's against free speech and fair criticism when he actually holds more liberal views in order to win their votes he's a duplicious excrement. If he places religious sensitivities above a human right he's at best illiberal.

EDIT: A number of other words came to mind besides illiberal but I'm trying not to be overly emotive.

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Indeed!

Derek was metaphoric and I was ironic, I took advantage of his emphasis....

....but I was not sarcastic :)

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I note what you say. Yes, something is bothering me too but I cannot figure it out...

I saw this incident: Corbyn comes out his flat, with his bike, shorts, and t-shirt with hoops, looking ridiculous. Reporters are surrounding him and in a phlegmatic way, he says to his staffer "These people ...." and the staffer opens the Journo pack for Corbyn to pass through while putinng his hand on the camera. The lack of expression in Corbyn's face and his tone, worried me....

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/b...8745799001.mp4

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Corbyn's only interested in the free speech which is of use to him.

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link
A**hole :dozey:

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Perhaps, he was confused by this

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/09/10.jpg



Regarding his undone button, perhaps he was trying to be as casual as the unshaven Harry

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/09/11.jpg

who was busy trying to cross the runway when a light aircraft was about to land link

I could go on, Corbyn's jacket was not matching his trousers. His Jacket was unbuttoned too. Corbyn's son bought his jacket and his wife bought his trousers. His Mexican wife sells coffee exploiting Brazilian farmers. Hypocrite Corbyn was raised in a 7 bedroom Manor house etc etc

Let's give it a rest. BTW I am ironic and by no means sarcastic.:D

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Why is he an "A**hole"? If he does not believe in God and/or the Monarchy, why should he sing? He would be a hypocrite if he did and then you would ridicule him. The guy has no chance with the right wing, not that he probably cares ..

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If Corbyn's that easily confused I hate to think what he'd be like given any real power over the nation.

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Just because someone does not sing the National anthem does not make them unpatriotic in my opinion.

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I wonder why he didn't sing it?

den, national anthems (of what ever country) are usually patriotic songs celebrating the country and it's history, which is why not singing the British National Anthem at a historic occasion may be seen as not being patriotic.

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l have watched many events including big sporting events and quite a few of them don't sing the National Anthem and yes nobody accuses them of being unpatriotic Hugh but then we are talking about the Daily Telegraph here who clearly have a agenda against anybody who does not share their political views as we have seen on countless occasions in the past.

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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but it looks to me as if you're equating a sports event with the 75th anniversary of the last serious attempt to invade and subjugate the United Kingdom.

I must surely be misunderstanding you. You couldn't possibly be that crass.

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Todays 75th anniversary event is extremely important but just because someone does not sing the National Anthem does not make them unpatriotic as people can show their respect in many other ways which are just as respectful.

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It's the national anthem. He refused to sing it. I'm sure he'd be only too happy to sing "keep the red flag flying" .....speaks volumes about where his allegiance lies :dozey:

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If they are British, it does. :shrug:

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Incorrect. We do not live in anarchy. We have etiquette and expected standards of behaviour for a reason. At a major, solemn, national commemoration of such importance as this, certain things are expected of all participants. *Not* singing the national anthem is itself a disrespectful act.

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I bet you don't sing the bit about "crushing rebellious Scots" Chris :D

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Nor does anyone else, old chum. It was never an official verse and has never featured in the proceedings of any formal occasion. The 'fourth verse' was popular around the taverns of southern England in 1745 because of the Jacobites. But it was written with three verses, and that's all it has ever had, from then until now.

But then I'm sure you already knew this was just another piece of baseless Nat grudge-mongering. ;)

:Peaceman:

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Heehee calm down wee laddie :). Anyway, the indigenous peoples down South were Welsh-speaking and the true anthem of the British people should be Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau. It's a better anthem too.

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(I am not having a go at you but I could not resist)

The reds do seem to have a problem singing the anthem, take Rooney for example link or Gary Neville link

But on a serious note, French PMs, ministers etc do not sing the anthem either. Some of you raised some good points, but have a look at this

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Somebody in the Guardian nay-saying the singing of the National Anthem.

Shock Horror!!

I am sure the reason he didn't sing it is because he is an avowed Republican, and would feel a hypocrite if he sang something praising the Monarchy.

As the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, he could have at least done his collar up.... ;)