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It seems to me Gary that what you're trying to say is "Muslims can be so evil. All this is down to Muslims."

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Some Muslims, Chris. some nutty Muslims.

Who want to take over the world with their nutty brains.

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Schools - 3 of them in this particular report, all run by the same Trust.

The report is supposed to be confidential at this stage because the governors are supposed to get some time to read and respond to it. I assume any decisions about special measures etc would be taken after that.

The only reason we a reading this now is because someone has leaked it to the Telegraph.

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So all the beautiful music,art,architecture that have come from religion is evil I suppose.

Sometimes I wish we could do without your very unedifying comments because you add absolutely nothing to most discussions.Indeed you add very little that is edifying to the entire site let alone be helpful in any way.:rolleyes:

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They do not have an entitlement to confidentiality imo ,they are servants of the local community and should stop acting like a little dictatorship .

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What is wrong with what I said?
Religion 'can' be so evil.
what's wrong with that?

If I were to say pedos can be so evil. you're not going to say "so all the beautiful music, and art that have come from them is evil" are you.

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saying that religion can be so evil is like saying guns murder people or knives stab people

People who mis use religion ,guns or knives can be evil

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Better.Now maybe you are starting to debate.We can only hope...

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So I've got to change it to people who are religious can be so evil?

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I'm debating now because you've realised you were wrong?

Anyway. get rid of these nice misguided people and replace them with nicer people.

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I would actually disagree here. Religion is a part of current life, not history, and crosses over into sociology and other things. It does require its own lessons as, regardless of opinion of it, it is a strong influence in the lives of billions and shapes aspects of how they live their lives.

At very least a precursory understanding of a variety of beliefs is vital to understand the 'human condition'.

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I agree 100%, unfortunately just as there are religious fundamentalists there are also those who take secularism a tad too far and want all reference to it banned from our schools which undermines secularism just as fundamentalism undermines moderate religion.

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Well impressed by how it progressed in a matter of not much more than 12 hours.

Needed the recovery time, back to about the mental capacity of a root vegetable now.

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Screams of Islamophobia, complaints to everyone from the Prime Minister down, and threats of legal action in t-minus....

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don't let us lower forms of life inconvenience you please :rolleyes:

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I call those Fundamentalist Atheists. ;)

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We are all nature's children and should be treated equally, even if humour is lost on us from time to time.

No inconvenience involved at all, hence why I didn't respond to either your public or private comments, to avoid such things.

On topic, I see the cries of Islamophobia have already begun.

What appears to have been happening is concerning, multicultural Britain at its finest and thank you mass immigration for ensuring it would go this way, as is the utter failure of authority to manage it, well played Labour's academy system promoted heavily by the Tories.

The fallout is the most concerning thing. This is the fire behind the smoke of the initial allegations and will fuel xenophobia and anti-immigration sentiment. The anti-immigration sentiment however does have a very good point. This is what happens when people come in faster than they can be integrated - they do their own thing and segregate themselves, in instances like this using taxpayers' money to do so.

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Who are you...and what have you done with the real Carl??

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That is the first post you have made in this thread i can agree with.

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It seems that 6 schools are about to go that way. The Telegraph's Deep Throat in the DfE has disclosed that six schools are going to be rated 'inadequate' by OFSTED and that the governors and senior staff of those schools will be replaced.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...-measures.html

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Religions are just Cults with tax breaks

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So are Google and Starbucks.

Ohhh you said 'cults'...sorry, should have worn my glasses.

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Made me chuckle

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It's not like the Crusades were the fault of religion or the Church of England has invested 10 million quid in an arms firm or evil payday lenders.

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If you could point out the parts of the Bible that the Crusaders appealed to as they raped and pillaged their way across Europe and Asia Minor, that would help lift your comment from 'cliche' to 'credible' ...

On the other hand you could be more careful to draw a distinction between wars caused directly by religious belief (and don't get me wrong, there are plenty of examples) and wars where kings used religion as a pretext.

As for the C of E, they got themselves into a stupid situation but they're not the first to be caught out by the unexpected contents of an investment fund and they won't be the last.

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Actually the crusades started as a land grab, the expansionist Seljuk Turks were threatening constantinople who appealed for help and before you say from fellow Christians, the orthodox byzantines were excommunicated from Rome, religion was used to whip the masses up without doubt and continued the conflict far longer than it should have but like most wars land, resources and ambition were just as much at the heart of it as religion and imo anyone who dismisses these additional factors simply to say "it was all about religion" clearly has an agenda or is a bit ignorant of what happened.

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:clap:

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Thanks for the history lesson. Religion is used for control and your description above shows just that. It's not much different from America and the UK invading Afghanistan and Iraq while blaming Muslims. Using such tactics to justify war is something that will continue to happen, until religion finally dies out.

It is only now we are seeing other religions attempting to interfere with schools and what can be worn in the place of work etc. I expect this will get worse.

Your comment about agenda is misplaced if you are replying to me. In fact that sentence of yours appears to have it's own agenda ;)

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And what about wars that are caused by oil, money, greed, land, politics?

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What of them?

Don't you just hate it when someone answers a question with a question....

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Let's assume for one moment it was actually possible to end religion. What will you blame for war then and how would you combat it?

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Oh, so you was insinuating in your last post that I am happy about wars based on greed, oil, land and politics. All of those things are terrible and should not be happening and get me so angry that I am an active activist doing what I can. Obviously not going to say too much on that front but not a good argument to use against me really.

Religion may be a little lower on the pecking order but it's still ranked pretty high.

I'm no atheist btw.

To end war at the moment we need to end our dependence on fossil fuels. Also need to make it so arms companies can't make profit.... Although wiping out the the USA and starting fresh would probably go a long way too. Religion really hasn't helped that country at all.

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If that was possible in the way of it was totally wiped from your mind. in the way that it's not even a distant memory.

then the Muslims would be a lot quieter.
the ones that were making noise.
not all of them.
just the ones I'm talking about.

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I neither said nor implied that.

You seem to be extremely anti-religion and given your comments about its involvement in wars I was wondering if you're against the other factors I mentioned just as much.

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Not sure where you picked that up from. I said in previous posts that anyone should be able to believe in what they want and I don't have a problem with that. What I have an issue with is religion influencing politics, education or anything outside the home/place of worship.

Someones holiday ruined due to religion: Sri Lanka to deport Buddha tattoo British woman @ BBC Today

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Another country's laws aren't something we really have a right to be criticising unless they bring hurt or harm to people.

But back to my question, are you as against those other factors as you seem to be about religion?

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I'm quite surprised anyone was surprised this may be happening but clearly many weren't aware there were elements within UK islam seeking to gain greater control and more influence by any means. It is the majority islamic community that must deal with this it cannot truly be ended by anyone other then the islamic community. Sadly many muslims wuld rather switch mosques then oppose extremists when they appear and that is the problem.

Oh and if i may answer you Russ oil and the other reasons you state are the cause of most wars but religion is such a convinient excuse to cover that agenda.

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Absolutely - so to place the blame on religion certainly isn't a good idea.

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I don't think it needed correcting - I can't think of any wars that were caused by religion however if any have been influenced by it then its detractors will usually assume it was the cause.

I've come across plenty of people who say religion played a big part in WW2 due to Hitler's obsession with Jews.

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More smoke to go with the fire.

More fire to go with the smoke.

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If Kosha (:p:) it's shocking they think it's ok to do.

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It's spreading and growing, maybe

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...take-over.html

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Expect the usual nay-sayers to come along and say it's not happening and anyone who say's so is a racist bigot or something :p:

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Expect the usual pre-emptive straw-man postings....;)

btw, just for clarity, I believe that if any group is taking over schools, and are trying to stop things being taught that are against their faith (but are part of the National Curriculum), they should be stopped and banned from holding positions of authority (teaching or governing). Similarly, if they are ousting members of staff/governors who are not of their faith, and trying to take over in that manner, they should be stopped/banned.

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and by the same token expect the usual suspects to use this as proof that the world is being taken over by Muslims

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If any Muslim groups actually are trying to influence schools in order to 'take over' I'd love to see them try it around here.

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Over my dead body.

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I think it's fair to say it's inevitable that Birmingham is the tip of a much larger iceberg.

It's a very good thing that people are starting to show less sensitivity when the term 'Islamophobia' is banded about. The word has been dramatically cheapened by its misuse by those who try and use it to stifle any criticism of the manner in which they conduct themselves.

The administration in Tower Hamlets threw it around with reckless abandon and there are now government and criminal investigations in progress there; it was pretty much the first response to these charges.

I really hope this doesn't get whitewashed as many things along these lines all too often have been in the past decade and more. The last time West Midlands Police were involved in a major investigation like this they went after those who exposed the problem, not the problem itself, and ended up paying compensation and doing nothing to fix the issues.

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They won't bother with your part of the world.

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Think that is actually another planet :D

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It is another planet. alien life form :)

But seriously. this needs to be stopped. and if anyone's offended then be offended.
blame the radicals amongst you for wanting to take over the world. when you clearly don't.

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I wonder who they were?

Anyway, I'm with Pat on this...

It's good to be anti-Islam

How to be a racist

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I was going to quote his good points. but then I realised I'd have to quote the whole lot.

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You win some, you lose some.....;)

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I'm a winner. you're a loser ;)

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Which defeats the "they're taking over the UK" argument then. Good, so you get to keep all the nutters and they leave us alone. I can live with that.

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Not really, as cloud cuckoo land isn't in the UK.

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Well wherever I am there's no sign of a Muslim 'take-over' going on.

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Not yet there is isn't - but when the extremists infiltrate the descent muslims and their faith or use the muslim faith as a cause to further their ideology ... than watch out you infidels.

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or

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But there are hardly any Muslims around here...

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Or here.The fact is that it's not going to be a universal trend in the UK at the moment..You do have to have a predominately Muslim community within schools for this to happen.

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I lived in Leicester for 3 years, I have a good idea and it didn't bother me then.

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It's a big decision moving to Wales, Russ.

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I know. seems like every other day it happens too.

don't nobody work?

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Well as long as the nutter element stays indecisive I'm happy.

Not with grammar like that.

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Yeh. that's what I thought too.

must either be rich families. or if they're claiming benefits, they get allowances when it comes to being available to work only a few hours a week.

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As with the faith schools, it seems to another case of "catch 'em whilst they're young" I suppose.

Though underhand tactics by fundamentalists/extremists must be rooted-out ASAP and barriers put in place to stop it happening again.

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If they don't get them at the schools, they get them at the mosques anyway.

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Some of the following info is from 2001 and the amount has increased substantially in the last 14 years since then. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true :rolleyes:

It would be good to get new figures so the increase can be seen and projections made....

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You do know I live 187 miles from London?

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Dewsbury, Halifax, Blackburn are all 187miles or more from London, some of their residents may disagree with you.

The issue is not the number of Muslims in the country as a whole, obviously compared to the whole population of the UK, they are very much a minority.

However, as that article states, Islamic enclaves exist where they are very much the majority and the rest of the population in the minority.

That in itself should not be an issue, however, those who live in or near such areas will know that Muslims - and I may generalising but speaking from experience only - are very intolerant people. Once an area becomes islamified then other members of society are made unwelcome.

There are "no go" areas if you are white, and especially if you are female.

So no, they are not taking over the UK, and are unlikely to.

But they have taken over certain areas, so for some people it does feel that way.

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What the hell are you on about now? I haven't said anything about those places.

And my issues is with this stupid paranoid delusion that they're "taking over".

Good, glad you're on-board.

And for everyone else it doesn't.

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Head......meet sand. I'm sure you'll be very happy together.

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Look I'll make it really easy for you.

People are saying that Muslims are "taking over".

I explain that's not the case as there are few if any Muslims around here.

That's about it really, unless common sense hasn't quite made it as far as Yorkshire yet.

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That's great for you, wherever "here" is.

But your utopian experience is not shared by all, I take it the discussion is about the UK and not just about Russ's personal experience?

However around "here" there are lots of Muslims, so much so, that in large enclaves they are the majority not the minority.

So using my uncommonsensical head I can see in certain areas they're not taking over, they've taken over.

Or can't you get your daffodil head around the fact that people have a different perspective than yours?

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I'm slightly embarrassed that I overestimated your ability to understand straightforward facts.

1. If Muslims are "taking over" the UK there would be a lot of them in all areas.
   
2. In many areas there are few if any Muslims.
   
3. Therefore...they are not "taking over" the country.

If you still don't get it then frankly you'll never understand.

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I find it equally embarrassing for you, and quite puzzling for your inability to grasp the point I made.

I have already made clear this morning, that I do not believe Muslims are taking over the "UK" as a whole. Of course not.

My point was, and still is, if you have the mental capacity to see things from different perspectives, is that there are enclaves within many towns and cities where they are the majority, and where other races and faiths have been forced out, and for the people of those areas it seems very real that they have taken over, already.

This is very real, and is a big issue, and for places like parts of Birmingham where this issue began.

It drives fear and resentment.

Is that clear enough for you, have you had your weetabix yet?

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I don't know how we've gotten onto the Muslims taking over the UK.

of course they're not. we won't let them.
but they are trying to. some of them would like to take over the UK.

they have taken over parts of the UK. by way of residency in those certain areas.
nobody can deny that.
but to base this whole debate on "No, they're not taking over the UK. End of" is silly.

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You appear to be confusing 'living in' with 'taking over'.....

There are lots of Irish, and people of Irish descent, living in parts of Birmingham, Liverpool, London, Glasgow, Manchester, Luton, etc - we don't hear about concerns about them 'taking over'.....

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My god, I knew it would happen one day. A lucid sensible post by Gary.

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See. this is what I mean.

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Thanks, Pierre. I could see you were struggling. so I thought I'd better help him out :)

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That has to be the poorest example ever used on this forum to try and make point.

Laughable

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I know you enjoy being deliberately argumentative sometimes but the whole "I just don't get it" thing, that's just a gimmick right? You've posted

...when I was clearly talking about my own area.

Ha ha, joke over etc, you do understand that right?

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That's why I didn't reply to it.

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That's because they're usually white and invariably speak the same language as us...

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Sometimes I think you say what you really mean. but have someone come along and say you were being sarcastic :)

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There's no sarcasm in my post. I'm pretty certain the reason people have no issues with the Irish communities having been here for decades but have a hissy-fit with Muslim communities is because the latter are usually a different skin colour and often speak a different language.

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So if you're being serious. then you have no problem with them yourself because they're white.
or are you leaving yourself out again. and telling us it's how everybody else thinks?

Or it might just be that they don't ask for things. they don't demand things. they don't want things to be done different ways. they don't get offended. they don't want to be different.

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Really?

Can you point out the difference between the Irish Catholics moving into this country in large numbers, and the topic of this thread?

The exact same things that are being discussed in this thread were said about the Irish Catholics* (taking over areas, no-go areas, comments about their religion, etc) that are being now used against Muslims.

*being of Irish Catholic background, I have direct experience of this...

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Fixed that for you.

As opposed to whom?

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Now you've left out the colour that you were being serious about.

The EDL are white. a lot of people see them as a problem.
but to describe them we might give them a skinhead. or a big pair of boots.
so wouldn't it be good if Muslims were the same colour as everyone else. and we can just describe them with a pink wooly hat. that way we can get the colour and language thing out the way. and it won't be a distraction for when it comes to discussing them.

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The difference between Irish Catholics and Muslims trying to islamise our schools?

I'm not going to indulge you.

The fears and concerns of sections of this country in regards to Islamic enclaves are real. Persons such as yourself and Russ, who refuse to acknowledge that there is an issue are just the same as the politicians that also refuse to accept it.

And because no one speaks out and/ or refuses to address the issue either because they're too afraid of the debate, scared of being branded racist or, as in Russ's case, just doesn't care as it doesn't affect him, the people it does affect are heading into the welcome arms of UKIP, or worse far right groups.

We should stop making excuses and start looking for ways to address these concerns.

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Well said.
I think you've said it all.

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Wear the same clothes, have same values, eat the same food, have the same values, have the same faith, have the same values, have the same names, have the same values........

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You might want to point out where I've said that otherwise you just look like you're making it up to score points.

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Some people simply dislike 'different' or 'change'. Not an uncommon trait I guess.

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In regards to you 'not caring. as it doesn't affect you'

Most are in relation to you not caring as it doesn't affect you. and some could be seen as you not seeing it. simply because where you are there aren't any. so you don't care.

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I feel the same way.

All these English people turning up in Wales. They don't even speak the language ;)

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Posts 272, 274, 276

You made it quite clear there were no or very few Muslims where you live, therefore obviously isn't an issue as far as you're concerned.

Depends if that different ,or change, fundamentally changes the world you live in.

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Ok then:

Both making references to 'nutters' (not 'Muslims'). Would you be happy or displeased if there were no 'nutters' in your area?

So making an observation that there aren't many Muslims in my area equates to saying "I don't care"? Impressive attempt at an unsuccessful grasp there.

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We only come to check on the welfare of the sheep :)

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I forgot the one about where you said. I'd like to see them try :)

But we'll just class them as 'nutters' too. so as to separate them.

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Explain how that's me saying I don't care.

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So you do care?

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Before I answer have we establish that I haven't said I don't care?