Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

The upsides are that insurance premiums will come down.

No really, they will.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

How do you figure that out?

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i'm quite sure the ask mid site asks you to tick a box declaring that the vehicle you are checking is your own as it is illegal to check on another persons vehicle .

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I wouldn't have thought it would stop a person determined to find out about someone's car that's been parked outside their house for a week or so.

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I read it. something about because everybody is suddenly going to become legal and not clone each others cars. the insurance premiums should come down.

Because this is all 'digital' there's absolutely no reason at all why you can't be refunded days as well as whole months.
and there's also absolutely no reason why the same can't be done when purchasing tax at any time of the month. it can easily be worked so days count.

we're too advanced not to be able to do it.
we just choose to do it that way because there's 2 lots of tax money to be made.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

That's quite wild conjecture. This certainly won't mean everyone on the road will be 'legal'. Insurance premiums are based on theft from vehicles, accident and malicious damage, personal injury, financial loss etc and other things that the end of tax discs won't have an effect on.

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My predictions are:

the new number to tax it will be a premium rate.

there will be a lot of cloned cars driving around.
(cloned cars are less likely to be stopped if the one you cloned is all legal)
(and the cloned driver doesn't attract any attention to their driving)

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

The way I understand it is that as soon as I buy Gary's car I have to ring up or go on line to buy tax and as soon as I do that they will check to see if I am insured to drive that car and the car has an MOT before they will tax it ,before it was possible to buy Gary's car with tax on it so no need to get insurance so in theory the number of uninsured vehicles should go down

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The number is a local rate number 0300 123 4321 available 24/7

As for car cloning the police will just have look at the glass or VIN number instead of a piece of paper

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Not if they drive without attracting the attention of the fuzz .

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so no difference then ,crooks clone cars now even with a tax disc and the only way a cop could tell was if the car was stopped and they checked the vin or glass security

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You may have to call the insurance first. you wouldn't already have insurance to drive it away.

but then you might feel like you can't be bothered with it all and not bother.

and you might want to come back at the beginning of the next month when the tax will be cheaper.

if I've still got it.

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No difference to those that already do it. but a difference to those who didn't do it before when someone would be able to glance at the disc and match up the reg number to the car.

as long as you don't attract attention to your driving. then you can quite freely drive and park it without any problem.

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[QUOTE=Gary L;35731639]You may have to call the insurance first. you wouldn't already have insurance to drive it away. but then you might feel like you can't be bothered with it all and not bother. and you might want to come back at the beginning of the next month when the tax will be cheaper. if I've still got it.
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Gone off it now ,rusty piece of junk :)


No difference to those that already do it. but a difference to those who didn't do it before when someone would be able to glance at the disc and match up the reg number to the car.

Instead they just look at the glass where the disc used to be and match up the reg number

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[QUOTE=martyh;35731647]We're talking about my car. not your Transit van :)

Vins are codes. the reg number isn't in there.

when somebody gets a routine stop. the police would usually check your tax whilst talking to you.
and check the reg matches.
now they'll probably not bother calling it in. and you'll be free to go on your way.

and the car being parked. they're not going to bother at all.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

DVLA ANPR vans are often seen around here on the housing estates and local supermarket carparks. And I see quite a few vehicles getting clamped by them.

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[QUOTE=Gary L;35731656]Don't have a transit anymore ,got myself a brand new Crafter jumbo , new transits look like guppies

I think all the objections come from cops that worry the job is getting a bit too technical for them ,instead of just looking at a piece of paper they will have to do some real work and call it in which they would anyway just to check the licence of the driver and make sure there are no warrants so really no real change

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So cops, who some think have speed guns surgically grafted to their arm and have to deal with radios, PDAs, in car data terminals, umpteen different computer systems at the office and everything else think cant run a vehicle check as it's beyond them?

As I've said before countless times the issue isn't about doing the check, it's about choosing who to perform a check on.

You might be happy for a full PNC check on your car and occupants to be undertaken during any interaction but I'm not especially when that can take 5 minutes plus per check.

A handy visual indicator on prominent display let the police filter out who and when full checks occur on.

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That's what I've been trying to tell him, Derek. but I just get it's not a problem :)

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I did some planning work for a fibre connection that involved new ANPR cameras. I was talking to there IT guy whilst i was completing the survey, he said they can detect if a number comes up in different areas of the country and then raise a stop on that registration number next time its detected by anpr in a police car. !!

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

I assume that's if they appear in different areas of the country at the same time / too soon to actually drive there, rather than in general ;)

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Thats what he hinted at.

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Sorry Derek,i just don't buy that the removal of the tax disc is going to cause so many problems .Look at it this way there has never been any visual aid for valid insurance and yet people are allowed to buy a car with tax on it thus bypassing the need for getting insurance immediately ,the only way to catch these people is by doing a PNC check and/or phoning any insurance company the driver claims to be with .I really can't see why things will be so much harder for the police

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Except not having a valid tax disc is one of the immediate indicators that a car might not have insurance and a bit more digging needs to be done. The don't and can't check very car, removing an immediate way to choose which cars to target makes their lives harder.

Still it'll reduce the crime figures even more which will make some people happy.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

If only the authorities would embrace technology eh?;)

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Not quite the same thing as checking for car road tax/insurance violations I know but the Trafford Center near me has had number plate recognition in place since 1993 so locating these none compliant drivers wouldn't be beyond the scope of what is already in place I assume.

I understand from talking to local Police officers that being able to wait for their potential 'naughty boy' to wander back to their car in the car park is quite convenient.http://www.parking-net.com/parking-n...rafford-centre

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Princess Park Way and Kingsway have ANPR along there route from the motorway to the city centre ;)

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The A34 running from M60/Stretford into town passing MUFC also has ANPR. So maybe it's now on all the main feeder roads into the city? I seem to remember mention that ANPR would be used as a back up when there was a possibility of Manchester adopting a Congestion Charge similar to London's. Thank goodness us pesky mancs hit that idea into touch.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

It was the best move you made :tu:

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Thats IT you can now throw them discs away!

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My better half got a new car, registered last Friday. The postman delivered the disc for it at 3 p.m. yesterday. :shrug:

That's one car disc that'll never see a windscreen.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Seeing it is the last ever tax disc i may keep mine, but it will be removed from the screen by the weekend when i clean it.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Keep my one on just for the hell of it. Just worked out how much I have paid over the years... I could have retired a decade ago.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

A lot of people I've spoke to about being able to take out. comment with "Oh i'll probably just leave it in"

Laziness. that's all it is.

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New car tax means government to get 'double money', says AA

More @ BBC

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Useless Britain.

nothing ever works.

This is how stupid it is. where there will be no refunds for part months.

Refund days, and stop ripping the public off you morons.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Does it really matter? For any that are still valid, it makes no difference at all whether they are there or not as it's not illegal to leave it.

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No.

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Took mine off. can't say I've seen one single car done the same.

they probably still think they'll get into trouble if they take it off.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

My new car which I picked up 14Sep - the letter said I could drive without a tax disc for 14 days. So I technically had to display a disc for the last 2 days of the month.
Technically - as it did also mention that there were records to show a disc had been issued, and I didn't bother!

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

My tax disc has 10 months to run, I shall leave it on display even after it expires as sign that I don't agree with it's demise !

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Useless Britain.
DVLA renew tax disc is still down.

This service is currently unavailable due to unprecedented demand across DVLA's online services.
Please try again later

Balls up Britain. can't get anything right.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

You're never happier than when you're being miserable, Gary..... ;)

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I know, Hugh. and they say they can't section me as I'm not a danger to myself or others.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Maybe I'm being stupid. but this just doesn't make any sense to me.

does it you?
how much?
one off payment?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/10/14.jpg

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Doesn't that mean you can set up a Direct Debit to take a payment either once every six months or once every twelve months automatically, rather than having to do a one off manual payment every six / twelve months?

Although not sure why the DD six months cost is lower, when the 12 months cost is the same.

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The one-off 12 months payment has always been the cheapest option, and still is (£285)

The other options for 12 months are:

12x Monthly DD at £299.25

Or 2x Six months DD at £299.26

Or 2x Six months one-off at £313.50

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That would explain it.
but it doesn't say if it works by the direct debit for the next 6 months comes out now. or in 6 months time.

even doing it on the website it's not telling you anything.
all the way to the end you still don't know any prices or when and if.

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You've confused me.

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Just supposing the (one off payment) direct debit 6 month £149.63
was taken today.
they haven't shown the price with the 5% charge on top.
with that it's £157.11

what if it's took 6 months away from now?
what happens if you sell the car before it's due to be took out?
you've had free road tax?

it's all nonsense. put it in plain English FFS!

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As it is. and the way they've done it. it looks like it's deliberately done to mislead and confuse people.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

What do the DD notes on the other page say?

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

include the 5% charge for the direct debit options. don't leave it out. list it as the full price with it included.

Payments taken 1st working day of every month.
Auto renewed unless cancelled.
6 and 12 months DD surcharge 5%.
Person setting up DD not needed to be registered keeper.
Refunds paid to registered keeper. not mandate holder.
Payment schedule will follow by email or post.
If you inform of change ie:SORN. DD will be cancelled.
DD details are being collected on behalf of DVLA.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

So that sounds like the first six / twelve month DD payments would be taken the month after you send details back on the 1st? Which I think is the same month the new tax starts?

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I'm just going to do the 12 month DD at £25 per month.
it's only an extra £15 over the year.
and you can't lose out really because once you sell the car the DD stops. and any months you've already used have been paid for already.

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This is what it says for the 12 month DD.
I'll cancel that one and do the others to see what they say.



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I expect the 12 months will be the same.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

You do know that Car Tax isn't necessary for Dinky Cars don't you Garry? :D

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Yes, mother :)

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:D

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Can I check a relative's likely rate for DD renewal even though it isn't due til next April?

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https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax

Just need the reg

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Thanks Gary, will let them know. They are one of life's worriers my relative so hopefully this will stop her worrying about the renewal side of things.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

There's a free app for iphone that will tell you when the TAX and MOT expires on any reg you enter.

I actually checked one of my neighbours and her MOT has been expired since 10th Nov.

"TotalCarCheck"

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Grass :D They're on to her now...

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I'm no grass.
I'll just use it to bribe her with or something :)

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You could turn up dressed as an MOT Inspector and tell her unless she pays you today she's in big trouble. Or do you think she'll know it's really you? :)

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Sounds good. but I talk funny. walk with a limp. have a big nose. and smell a bit.

I think she'll guess straight away :)

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Yep, that's women for you. They pick up on details. I reckon your limp (fnar fnar) would be a dead giveaway :D

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

If the tax is that far out of date, surely the DVLA's computers will issue a fine automatically?

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

I think he said MOT, not tax.

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Sorry!


Both under control of the DVLA, both fineable if not current though. And insurance would be invalid, again fineable.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Just tried the MOT inspector in a balaclava. she got suspicious. so I left it :)

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Insurance isn't necessarily invalid. third party is still there.

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Damn. But should've worn more clothes :D.

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A common fallacy - having no tax doesn't invalidate insurance cover.

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Shocker!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34933962

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Yup, who could possibly have predicted... :rolleyes:

Still I suppose it sounded like a good idea to someone and just think of all the little paper discs we've saved from capture and imprisonment.

It seems evasion of the tolls at the Dartford Crossing has gone up since the toll booths were taken away. No real means by which to extract payment from foreign registered vehicles being just one reason.

Quelle surprise!

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/c...-scrapped.html

Good job someone's making up for the shortfall eh?

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

As I've always said and stick by.

The British are thick as ....
the only intelligent ones are the crooks.

we all knew this was going to happen. and so did they.
they wanted the VAT on the petrol.

Over 1/4 million more "illegal" vehicles on the road because of the change.
you can safely say that these 1/4 million vehicles have no insurance and MOT either.

the British really need to accept that they're one of the most thickest countries in the world.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Actually looking at that quote i dont think the revenue is actually that much down. My math says £80m evaded now - £35m (before) - £10m in savings the new sceme delivers means there now £35m down.

Not included in the figures is the extra revenue there getting from the overlap on sales (now you cant transfer the tax and cant partal refund)

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Surely the impact at most would be the gap between the car being sold and when it would have to be renewed even under the old system? Eg if when a car is sold there is 3 months left before renewal, then only those 3 months should be missing before the new owner would have had to renew it under the old system.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

It wouldn't surprise me if the increase is down to having a heck of a lot more ANPR cameras out and more cars being caught. There's been a load of fixed units installed locally just before the change came in.

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I think there's also a lot of people who assume that the tax continues at least to the end of the month and are getting caught out quite innocently.

After all if it was working properly then the DVLA should be getting an extra 2 weeks worth of tax (average) everytime a car is sold on due to the overlapping of the new tax purchase.

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Also, the percentage of untaxed cars has gone from 0.8% to 1.6%. While it is a doubling, it's still a very small fraction of all the cars out there.

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It would make more sense to move the tax onto the fuel. Then it's automatically higher for gas guzzlers, costs next to nothing in extra admin and cannot be evaded. (Unless you're using illegal red diesel)

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

The way the tax works when you buy and sell is if the previous owner had it taxed. then he or she doesn't inform DVLA till towards the end of the month because they don't get part months refunded anyway.

and it's only the police who will know if it's taxed. and as long as it's still being shown as taxed on the system with the previous owner then nobody is to know that it's not you that hasn't taxed it.

nobody cares.
well they do but they have better things to do than worry about things like that.

I know of one car that has no MOT July 15. no TAX April 15 and no Insurance. and is being used everyday.
nobody cares. he's buying petrol so the VAT on that is good money to them.

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He'll get caught speeding. :D

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

You would have to develop a "Red Petrol" equivalent, unless you want to pay tax on lawnmowers, off road bikes, generators and the like. Also, red diesel abuse is rife, much higher than the ~2% of car tax evaders.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Why don't you report them?

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Its your car isn't it Gary :)

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I have reported him.
to the police and DVLA. over 3 weeks ago.

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It's the DVLA who know if it's taxed and to whom it belongs. And it's the DVLA that automatically sends out fines for untaxed vehicles to the last known owner. Plus it's the last known owner who has to pay, not the current one, until the DVLA is informed of the sale and to whom it was sold.

Ditto MOT test and insurance.

I have always said that the tax should be added to fuel, so the more you use, the more you pay. But "urban motorsists" don't like that, and it's often "urban motorists" that have HMG's ear.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

Another well thought out plan goes entirely according to plan...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36468138

That's with some people being double charged for part months.

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Its a dumb and complicated system anyway, I never understood why they dint just scrap it and add to the general fuel tax, its pretty much impossible to avoid paying it then, and the more you use it, the more you pay.

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This way the manufacturers can't fiddle their fuel consumption and carbon emissions either to get into a lower tax band.

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Putting it on fuel isn't as easy as it sounds:

1: You'd need to create a "red petrol" (in the same way you have red diesel) for off-road use, as I doubt anyone wants to pay car tax on their generators, lawn mowers, and strimmers.

2: What about electric cars? Yes they're car tax free as it stands, but that can't continue as they gain in popularity. You'd then have to either re-introduce per-car taxing or force all electric car charging points to be separately metered and charged for, including those on house electric supplies.

3: Fuel smuggling (already a very big issue in Northern Ireland) and "cleaned fuel" (where red/green tax free diesel is washed through cat litter to remove the dye) would become much more commonplace . Expect lots more VOSA checkpoints to allow them to physically check fuel tanks for illegal fuel (no ANPR for that), and lots of illegal dumping of very nasty cleaning byproducts.

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I found myself needing to get a little runabout at the end of April, I went and looked at a car advertised privately on a Saturday afternoon and said 'I'll have it'. This was the 30th April, the last day of the month, the seller had it parked off road on his driveway and was keen to do the deal on the spot so he could cancel the tax. I agreed to come back the following day and pick it up as it would enable me to change my car insurance and tax it. The insurance change was dealt with online and was completed in minutes and within a few more minutes I receive my new insurance certificate via email. The next challenge was to tax it with the 12 digit reference on the New Keepers supplement V5C/2. I knew the vehicle was still on the MID and the system wouldn't be intelligent enough to know that it wasn't on their system in my name yet, so I thought it would be a doddle.

I followed the online instructions, vehicle registration, don't have a reminder in my name etc, I have a V5C/2 and 12 digit reference.... all looking good.... enter the details, press the continue button..... A message telling me that it is already being processed.

I went to pick up the car and carried a copy of the insurance certificate and a screenshot of my attempt to tax it that day. When speaking to the seller, he said that he had failed to inform them that he was selling the vehicle because the website only allowed you to do that Monday - Friday between office hours, also Monday was a bank holiday so the only way he could avoid being charged for another months tax was to declare the vehicle off-road and SORN it.

This is probably the reason why I couldn't tax it, as it was waiting to be processed by a little man in the job creation centre located in Swansea.

I wasn't able to tax the vehicle until the afternoon of the 5th May, I had to use the vehicle from the 2nd May. I attempted about a dozen times each day but checking the tax status kept showing it as taxed up until the afternoon of the 5th when the little man finally got around to processing it.

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It would be ok if the money collected for road tax gets used for the ruddy pot holes to be filled in.

Re: The Car tax disc is to be scrapped after 93 years
 

That's what I have been saying for a couple of decades.

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I`ve just had my reminder but can anyone tell me why paying for 6 months by direct debit is cheaper than paying for 6 months all in one go yet paying for 12 months by direct debit is the same as 12 months in one go.

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There is no "Road tax"... It's Vehicle excise duty - a tax on your car. Council Tax is for the upkeep of roads etc.