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Pierre 07-12-2013 01:18

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Well hopefully he'll be treated with kindness and respect, acknowledged for being a fall guy, write a book and make lots of money,for his future.

spreadsheet 07-12-2013 01:23

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cut them in half with a machine gun and then give them a bandaid

charging a man with murder in this place is like handing out speeding tickets at the indy 500


quotes from Apocalypse Now - 1979

tizmeinnit 07-12-2013 10:09

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35652988)
Well hopefully he'll be treated with kindness and respect, acknowledged for being a fall guy, write a book and make lots of money,for his future.

he is hardly a fall guy he openly admitted breaching the GC so he is guilty and got the sentence for the crime.

Pierre 08-12-2013 09:09

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.

denphone 08-12-2013 09:34

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There is right and there is wrong in life and no matter what way some people put it what he did was wrong.

tizmeinnit 08-12-2013 09:38

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35653305)
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I do not know this guy I know no one he knows so it has no effect on me or my sleep. I could do with a memory foam mattress though fancy buying me one for Christmas??;)

Russ 08-12-2013 09:49

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Torn on this one. On one hand there seems to be a school of thought that any soldier is obviously brave (which I agree with) and willing to die for us to have the right to moan, whinge and post utter bobbins on internet forums and therefore should be afforded some sort of leeway should they ever end up in court for anything (there are people who believe this sort of thing, I've seen it online many times).

On the other hand I do not want a two-tier legal system in the UK. From what I can see in this case the guy acted unlawfully. Had he not shot and killed the man he may well have rejoined the enemy, picked up a gun (or bomb) and killed one of our own. In fact I believe there's every chance of that.

However I am against legal decisions and outcomes being made on the basis of such tenuous "what ifs".

tizmeinnit 08-12-2013 09:54

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35653314)
Torn on this one. On one hand there seems to be a school of thought that any soldier is obviously brave (which I agree with) and willing to die for us to have the right to moan, whinge and post utter bobbins on internet forums and therefore should be afforded some sort of leeway should they ever end up in court for anything (there are people who believe this sort of thing, I've seen it online many times).

On the other hand I do not want a two-tier legal system in the UK. From what I can see in this case the guy acted unlawfully. Had he not shot and killed the man he may well have rejoined the enemy, picked up a gun (or bomb) and killed one of our own. In fact I believe there's every chance of that.

However I am against legal decisions and outcomes being made on the basis of such tenuous "what ifs".


The main thing here is he was tried and convicted in a military court and not a civilian one so really all those who argue the decision specially the ex military really do not have a case imo. As I have said before though I do feel the rules of engagement should be changed

richard s 10-12-2013 13:23

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Just a bloody scapegoat for all the do gooders and political correctness merchants, the Geneva Convention does not exist in a place like Afganistan. Ten years in a military jail poor man.. yes arguably he did not show any compassion for a killer. I would give him a bigger gun, pat on the back and send him back.

Arthurgray50@blu 11-12-2013 11:31

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What are our guys and gals supposed to do in a situation such as - an insurgent or you.

To me its waste of time for anyone to join the army, you go into a battle, and you shoot the enemy, and you get charged with it.

Its about time these generals and court martials realised one thing, you help out your own people in battle. Its like saying the insurgents can kill anyone and get away with it, but we cannot. doesn't make sense to me.

Derek 11-12-2013 11:48

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35654060)
What are our guys and gals supposed to do in a situation such as - an insurgent or you.

Except it wasn't a case of the insurgent or him. The insurgent was injured and not a threat. I wouldn't of gone all out on the first aid but dragging him out of camera view and finishing him off isn't on.

I think the 10 years is harsh but he couldn't just be let off with it.

banjo 11-12-2013 11:49

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35653818)
Just a bloody scapegoat for all the do gooders and political correctness merchants, the Geneva Convention does not exist in a place like Afganistan. Ten years in a military jail poor man.. yes arguably he did not show any compassion for a killer. I would give him a bigger gun, pat on the back and send him back.

With a medal

Osem 15-03-2017 14:20

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A Royal Marine, jailed for shooting an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan, has had his murder conviction reduced to manslaughter by an appeal court.
Sgt Alexander Blackman, 42, from Taunton, Somerset, has already served three years of a life sentence.
Five judges at the Court Martial Appeal Court in London ruled the conviction should be "manslaughter on the ground of diminished responsibility".
A further hearing will now decide what sentence Blackman should serve.
Blackman was not in court to hear the decision.
The marine had a recognised mental illness at the time of the shooting in September 2011, the hearing had been told.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39278929

I hope they get on with it, he's out ASAP and given the help and support he needs to get over the ordeal.

It'll be interesting to see what comes out as the family continue to ask questions about the way this case was handled.

nashville 15-03-2017 16:43

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Hope he gets out now ASAP now that it is down to manslaughter .

Arthurgray50@blu 15-03-2017 21:57

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I think the Geneva Convention is now totally out of date. What we have now is a totally different 'war zone'. Ane the Convention rewritten. We are not dealing with Wars between countries. We are dealing with terrorism

We now have on the streets terrorism in various forms. We have the evils of war such as IS. And our brave boys and gals in various parts of the world.

We have the fears on the streets of every part of the UK. In Europe we have terrible murders carried out by terrorist n the streets

Our troops must be given every support it needs to combat this. And NOT to have criminal charges brought against this officers.

Terrorists would NOT think twice about killing our forces. Whether its cutting soldiers throats, shooting them r even blowing them up.

Soldiers should NOT have to faces charges every time they face the enemy.

What this soldier carried out was in the line of duty, what IF the soldier faced the Insurgent, was faking his injury, and then turned a gun on the soldier - and the soldier fought back in self defence. What then.

The soldier should be released NOW, and get the treatment he needs.

Biggest problem we have in this country, is that when service men and women leave the services, they are forgotten

RELEASE HIM NOW.

nashville 15-03-2017 23:22

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I agree He should be at home with his family

techguyone 16-03-2017 11:19

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35654066)
Except it wasn't a case of the insurgent or him. The insurgent was injured and not a threat. I wouldn't of gone all out on the first aid but dragging him out of camera view and finishing him off isn't on.

I think the 10 years is harsh but he couldn't just be let off with it.

Agreed, when all was said and done, the guy had been hit by an Apache 20mm cannon round it's highly likely he would have died shortly in any case. - Personally I'd have been less than handy with the first-aid and let nature take its course. Same result, no legal grief.

Osem 28-04-2017 10:28

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Well he's been freed at last.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39740931

I hope he and his wife get all the help and support they'll need and can rebuild their lives.

nashville 28-04-2017 12:21

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35896613)
Well he's been freed at last.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39740931

I hope he and his wife get all the help and support they'll need and can rebuild their lives.

All Best Wishes to him and his family, ;)

Sirius 28-04-2017 13:08

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Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35896637)
All Best Wishes to him and his family, ;)

Excellent news that he has been released


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