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DaMac 05-07-2013 18:51
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Because there has to be a perceived amount of competition, if sky was the only provider of most channels they wouldn't be ble to do half the stuff they do because the monopolys commission would cripple them.

BomberAF 05-07-2013 18:52
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35592294)
Because no one apart from forum users are aware or care?
Loads of people who are customers are aware and do care but don't vent their spleen on the interweb. Instead those that can afford jump ship and go to Sky and BT respectively and the ones who can't afford stay put and prepare to do without. But by time people have jumped ship then VM will announce that they have an agreement with BT for their sports channels.

muppetman11 05-07-2013 18:53
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35592277)
In reply to Chad, I have thoroughly enjoyed some of Sky's original programming. Ironically it's those shows that they have made and then put on Sky Atlantic that have been worse, IMO.
Which shows Andy ? We've also enjoyed a few of Skys original programming.

BomberAF 05-07-2013 18:55
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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35592295)
Because there has to be a perceived amount of competition, if sky was the only provider of most channels they wouldn't be ble to do half the stuff they do because the monopolys commission would cripple them.
This is true but VM cannot also run rough shod over Sky's products and can therefore not dictate to Sky and BT what they should do with their products. They are also gentlemen and understand that it would be quite snobby if hard working people were priced out of watching their new shiny sports channel. Then there are also the workers at VM.

denphone 05-07-2013 19:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592280)
BT Sports will be announced to arrive on VM 1 week before the 1st of August when BT Sport is due to air. The reason they aren't announcing it now is because BT and Sky and VM have agreements with VM to get people to leave VM and switch over to sky or BT. When this time has elapsed as part of this deal BT sport will be announced as arriving on VM when stated and Atlantic shortly after. There will therefore be no reason not to offer Atlantic to VM customers on the XL package as they will lose advertising revenue with people downloading GoT via torrents. I believe that VM will have a wholesale price for VM customers, so it may only cost a little bit more for XL customers than prior with ESPN. It isn't going to cost an extra subscription just the XL price as far as I am aware.
Well something's going to happens that's for sure and the sooner we know the better.

OLD BOY 05-07-2013 21:15
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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35591982)
Less than 4 weeks until we lose Premiership, SPL, Europa Cup, domestic cup, German, Italian, French and lower league football from ESPN plus the other ESPN channels from the XL package. Don't you think we deserve to know what if anything Virgin plan to do by way of compensation for this?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't appreciate your anxiety over this. I'm just pointing out that Virgin Media are in the middle of negotiations with BT, so what do you expect them to say? Face it, we are not going to know the answer until one or two weeks before the start, so you need to respond accordingly.

The reason for the delay is that VM want the best deal for their customers. VM must accept that they are going to lose a few customers who can't wait, but I do believe that it will be worth the wait for those who have patience, and the eventual deal for customers will ensure that people are attracted to VM in the future.

We will get these channels. The question, and the only question, is at what cost.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35592006)
I have been told by a Sky customer, that Sky have advised him (when he could them to ask about the price).

It will be £12.00 per month and that BT Sports, will NOT be on VM, unless a price is agreed, and it could cost more for VM customers. This is why there is a delay.

BT Sports wants a separate charge, where the fee is paid direct to BT and not VM.

He doesn't have a problem as he has gone in for the channels.
Arthur, you are going round and round in circles. Virgin Media cannot tell you what will happen because they are in the middle of negotiations with BT. The invitation from VM to sign up to get more information is a very good sign - do you think they would have done this if they don't expect to get these channels?

If you believe what Sky employees tell you about VM, I'm afraid you are a little gullible. Wait and see is my advice, but if you are really unhappy, why not take a second punt with Sky? I can guarantee that you still won't be happy and we will see you coming back to the fold soon!

And still, I think, you will complain.....

OLD BOY 05-07-2013 21:21
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Originally Posted by JustaBloke (Post 35592179)
For me it's nothing to do with agreeing a price. The problem is more fundamental. BT insist on invoicing the customer directly. They are able to do this on their own platform and Sky's supports it too. However VM doesn't support such an arrangement with all charges for premium channels appearing on our VM bill.
That is not my understanding. The problem with subscriptions for the BT channels on satellite are with Sky, who refuse to play ball with BT. There are no problems with VM, who are only trying to get the best deal for their customers.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35592227)
No surprise with this announcement because in my humble opinion 3D was always nothing more then a passing fad which would only interest a small minority.
The problem is with the glasses. Holographic 3D is the answer. A few years to wait for that, unfortunately.

OLD BOY 05-07-2013 21:32
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592280)
BT Sports will be announced to arrive on VM 1 week before the 1st of August when BT Sport is due to air. The reason they aren't announcing it now is because BT and Sky and VM have agreements with VM to get people to leave VM and switch over to sky or BT.
Well, the bit in bold may well be true. VM will be able to get a better price if BT have sucked this for all its worth just prior to the first day of broadcasting. They will know that if people haven't jumped ship by then, they probably won't, so they'd rather get a reduced price from VM from that time than nothing at all.

VM will then appear to be an attractive platform for new business.

The bit not in bold is ridiculous. Why would VM sign up to that?

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35592308)
Well something's going to happens that's for sure and the sooner we know the better.
You're getting twitchy, Den....

jj20x 05-07-2013 21:35
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35592132)
It just an rebrand in my eyes.

Maybe it all down to channel numbers -

Virgin Media may want to put Drama on Channel 206 but UKTV may want an lower channel number.
I would consider a rebrand to be giving an existing channel a new image, new on screen graphics and perhaps a change of name but staying in broadly the same genre. Blighty was a documentary / lifestyle genre channel, Drama is entertainment / drama, so a different product altogether. People only consider it a rebrand because of the timing. If Drama launched on the 8th and Blighty closed the following month, they would see it differently.

I don't really see why VM would want to have an entertainment channel with no documentary content at the top end of their documentary section in the EPG. Although the limited number of slots left in the entertainment block is becoming a problem.

OLD BOY 05-07-2013 21:37
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35592363)
I would consider a rebrand to be giving an existing channel a new image, new on screen graphics and perhaps a change of name but staying in broadly the same genre.
I agree. This is a substitute channel, not a re-brand.

BomberAF 05-07-2013 21:40
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35592360)
Well, the bit in bold may well be true. VM will be able to get a better price if BT have sucked this for all its worth just prior to the first day of broadcasting. They will know that if people haven't jumped ship by then, they probably won't, so they'd rather get a reduced price from VM from that time than nothing at all.

VM will then appear to be an attractive platform for new business.

The bit not in bold is ridiculous. Why would VM sign up to that?

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You're getting twitchy, Den....
They have no choice, as I have said although there is competition BT and Sky are still paying and taking the risk so they can to a point call the shots and force VM into hanging fire. This means that BT and Sky both get to benefit from their purchases and VM don't get a freebie. It is not VM agreeing to it, VM have no choice in the matter.

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In effect if VM want to have BT sports or any Sky channel then they must allow the owner of the channel to market it for their own benefit first then VM can have it. If VM disagree then that is down to them and they can do without, if they want the channels that someone else is paying for they have to play by other people rules.

andy_m 05-07-2013 22:12
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35592297)
Which shows Andy ? We've also enjoyed a few of Skys original programming.
Mad Dogs immediately springs to mind on Sky 1. Great cast with great chemistry and good dialogue. Also enjoyed Spy and Moone Boy, Strike Back. By contrast I thought the Alan Partridge stuff made for Sky Atlantic was dreadful, and massively disappointing since I'm a fan.

MaverickJesus 05-07-2013 22:17
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VM have no leverage at all in the matter, they will get what they are given with regards to BT. If you think otherwise you are either blatantly ignoring fact or are a blinkered fool.

andy_m 05-07-2013 22:24
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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35592288)
I can't see VM in an agreement that take customers away from them...

Would be good for VM customers if it was true, but im skeptical.
My immediate reaction was to agree with you, but then I thought it might just explain the phantom web page confirming Bt sports which was removed within a day and the story about Virgin being back in talks about Atlantic which was recently leaked. That all smacks of a company with something to say but unable to say it, doesn't it?

muppetman11 05-07-2013 23:31
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35592380)
Mad Dogs immediately springs to mind on Sky 1. Great cast with great chemistry and good dialogue. Also enjoyed Spy and Moone Boy, Strike Back. By contrast I thought the Alan Partridge stuff made for Sky Atlantic was dreadful, and massively disappointing since I'm a fan.
Similar shows to us , we liked Mad Dogs , Strike Back (a co-production between BSKYB and Cinemax) , Spy. I have to admit though the wife's choices are Stella and Mount Pleasant not everyone's cup of tea :p: I enjoyed the Bradley Wiggins Documentary and Networks of Power both productions for Sky Atlantic.

In my opinion VM will add Sky Atlantic at some point soon and I don't buy into Sky launching another Entertainment channel their content would be spread way to thinly.

Chad 06-07-2013 00:35
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35592402)
I don't buy into Sky launching another Entertainment channel their content would be spread way to thinly.
That's what I thought too when taking part in the survey about a potential new channel launch. I think if SKY do launch a new channel it might simply be a re-branding of one of their less popular channels. TNA Wrestling on Challenge TV would be a perfect fit for what was being proposed.

MovedGoalPosts 06-07-2013 02:56
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A number of posts have been removed.

This thread is about Virgin Media TV and what channels and services that may, or may not be available on it. It is not a discussion on the merits of broadband or other services. The Cable Forum Team has given previous warnings to desist in derailing threads in such a manner: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35590895-post250.html We are tired of being ignored and are taking action to enforce our notices.

andy_m 06-07-2013 09:34
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35592402)
Similar shows to us , we liked Mad Dogs , Strike Back (a co-production between BSKYB and Cinemax) , Spy. I have to admit though the wife's choices are Stella and Mount Pleasant not everyone's cup of tea :p: I enjoyed the Bradley Wiggins Documentary and Networks of Power both productions for Sky Atlantic.

In my opinion VM will add Sky Atlantic at some point soon and I don't buy into Sky launching another Entertainment channel their content would be spread way to thinly.
I hadn't even heard of Networks of Power until I read your post, but having just read a synopsis of it I would have watched it if it were available to me. I would argue that some of the programming on Sky Atlantic doesn't really fit with the popular perception of its actual purpose, which is for most people to show US, and more specifically hbo, content.

I've said before, and I genuinely mean it, that I'm not really fussed about the channel itself. I watched the whole first series of Game of Thrones when it was recently on Sky 1. It should, on the basis of other things I like to watch, have been right up my street but I found myself in a minority of one who didn't like it. And besides, I have plenty to watch without it. To that end I would rather the ESPN money was spent on sport content - but not Bt sports. Every xl customer should get approx. £ 10 discount on Sky Sports, or the hd sub for free. Firstly this would cement the relationship with Sky by making their sports channels more attractive to Virgin customers and increasing the revenue from Sky's largest wholesale customer, and secondly, since not every xl subscriber would take up the offer, it would still leave Virgin with some spare cash for channel acquisitions.

muppetman11 06-07-2013 10:46
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35592447)
I hadn't even heard of Networks of Power until I read your post, but having just read a synopsis of it I would have watched it if it were available to me. I would argue that some of the programming on Sky Atlantic doesn't really fit with the popular perception of its actual purpose, which is for most people to show US, and more specifically hbo, content.

I've said before, and I genuinely mean it, that I'm not really fussed about the channel itself. I watched the whole first series of Game of Thrones when it was recently on Sky 1. It should, on the basis of other things I like to watch, have been right up my street but I found myself in a minority of one who didn't like it. And besides, I have plenty to watch without it. To that end I would rather the ESPN money was spent on sport content - but not Bt sports. Every xl customer should get approx. £ 10 discount on Sky Sports, or the hd sub for free. Firstly this would cement the relationship with Sky by making their sports channels more attractive to Virgin customers and increasing the revenue from Sky's largest wholesale customer, and secondly, since not every xl subscriber would take up the offer, it would still leave Virgin with some spare cash for channel acquisitions.
No need to argue that fact with me in fact its been raised numerous times via official Sky forums/feedback , the channels are a mess in my opinion. Sky Living is supposedly a female skewing channel with shows like 'Britain and Ireland's Next top model' mixed with the likes of 'Hannibal' etc which to me seems bizarre , I do believe however before a big shake up can be done Sky need to work with other platforms to negotiate carriage of all their entertainment channels.

Media Boy UK 06-07-2013 10:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592280)
BT Sports will be announced to arrive on VM 1 week before the 1st of August when BT Sport is due to air. The reason they aren't announcing it now is because BT and Sky and VM have agreements with VM to get people to leave VM and switch over to sky or BT. When this time has elapsed as part of this deal BT sport will be announced as arriving on VM when stated and Atlantic shortly after. There will therefore be no reason not to offer Atlantic to VM customers on the XL package as they will lose advertising revenue with people downloading GoT via torrents. I believe that VM will have a wholesale price for VM customers, so it may only cost a little bit more for XL customers than prior with ESPN. It isn't going to cost an extra subscription just the XL price as far as I am aware.
What!!!!

You are too late for April 1st.

I think you are right on the BT Sports announced part but not on the rest of your post.

huxleypiguk 06-07-2013 11:07
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As I have said previously, BT are going to have a hard time explaining to the Premiership Football and Rugby people why the potential marketplace for their sponsors has dropped by a few million. BT will do a deal with VM, the question is when.

johnasimmons 06-07-2013 11:10
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35592462)
What!!!!

You are too late for April 1st.

I think you are right on the BT Sports announced part but not on the rest of your post.
In total agreement with you MB :)

devilincarnate 06-07-2013 11:51
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Has anyone checked out the UK TV website as it has been updated with Drama and it says that SKY and VM carry all the UKTV channels or is it just me?

theone2k10 06-07-2013 11:59
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With Ginx.tv launching Tuesday i'm just wondering if we're going to start seeing more VM exclusive channels coming.
I think we already have 3 don't we?
Also regarding ESPN closing VM could maybe launch a movie channel and place that in the XL pack or charge a small monthly fee for none XL subscribers?

BomberAF 06-07-2013 12:00
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35592462)
What!!!!

You are too late for April 1st.

I think you are right on the BT Sports announced part but not on the rest of your post.
Don't see what is so hard to believe? SKY and BT will have made an agreement with VM to show their respected channels, but not until they have marketed them first. Although the post doesn't make clear I am not saying the VM have agreed to it as such, I am saying that they don't have too much of a say in it.

harry_hitch 06-07-2013 12:18
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Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35592491)
Has anyone checked out the UK TV website as it has been updated with Drama and it says that SKY and VM carry all the UKTV channels or is it just me?
You are correct sir, however MTV's website also says VM carry MTV Classic:(. I doubt the UKTV website will be wrong and we will get it soon enough, but you never know!!

OLD BOY 06-07-2013 13:12
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Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35592382)
VM have no leverage at all in the matter, they will get what they are given with regards to BT. If you think otherwise you are either blatantly ignoring fact or are a blinkered fool.
Charming!

Whatever happened to 'the customer is king?'. If this is seriously the way that the market is going, the Government needs to do something about it. If VM has the money for the channel it should be allowed to buy it.

I'm off to Sainsbury's to get some shopping now. I wonder what I can use for leverage this week.....

devilincarnate 06-07-2013 14:22
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35592528)
.

I'm off to Sainsbury's to get some shopping now. I wonder what I can use for leverage this week.....
A crowbar lol

Chad 06-07-2013 14:26
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35592528)
I'm off to Sainsbury's to get some shopping now. I wonder what I can use for leverage this week.....
Don't go up to the checkout on your mobile phone :D

DaMac 06-07-2013 15:26
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And rightly so.

andy_m 06-07-2013 15:34
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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35592553)
And rightly so.
Although as Old Boy points out, you're the customer. And since Sainsburys apologised to, and compensated, the woman in question, it appears they understand that too. Shame she felt the need to run to the press...

jj20x 06-07-2013 16:28
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592498)
Don't see what is so hard to believe? SKY and BT will have made an agreement with VM to show their respected channels, but not until they have marketed them first. Although the post doesn't make clear I am not saying the VM have agreed to it as such, I am saying that they don't have too much of a say in it.
Ummm! thanks for clearing that up. :confused:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35592528)
Charming!

Whatever happened to 'the customer is king?'.
I've a feeling the customers they are most interested in are newly acquired BT Infinity broadband subscribers and not Virgin Media.

MaverickJesus 06-07-2013 18:18
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35592567)
Ummm! thanks for clearing that up. :confused:

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I've a feeling the customers they are most interested in are newly acquired BT Infinity broadband subscribers and not Virgin Media.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

BomberAF 06-07-2013 18:19
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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35592567)
Ummm! thanks for clearing that up. :confused:

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I've a feeling the customers they are most interested in are newly acquired BT Infinity broadband subscribers and not Virgin Media.
BT are firstly wanting to take back the broadband customers it is losing to Sky, it also does want customers off VM for its own fibre bb. Of course BT is looking after its own business first, it is business.

BT also do want to keep VM customers happy because it will also get money of every single person on the VM network who views BT sport and it will get advertising revenue also. BT are also the national telephone and BB provider so it would be bad publicity not to include VM customers when it offers BT sport. It will also be very good publicity and PR when BT sport is showing on one of its rival competitors in the way of VM who apparently are getting a good deal.

When BT go into a battle with Sky they also by law have to do battle with VM as well. VM isn't a special case that no company is allowed to compete with for customers but they also must be taken into consideration.

ocav 06-07-2013 18:40
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592601)
When BT go into a battle with Sky they also by law have to do battle with VM as well. VM isn't a special case that no company is allowed to compete with for customers but they also must be taken into consideration.
Do they? What law is that?

BomberAF 06-07-2013 18:47
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Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35592608)
Do they? What law is that?
Competition laws, all companies must operate in a competitive manner at all times. Failure to do this is called collusion, and is punishable in a court of law for not allowing market forces to run the market.

Jameseh 06-07-2013 18:52
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We might get BT Sport. We might get Sky Atlantic.

...next!

BomberAF 06-07-2013 18:54
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Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35592615)
We might get BT Sport. We might get Sky Atlantic.

...next!
VM are getting BT sport and Sky Atlantic.

ocav 06-07-2013 19:00
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592611)
Competition laws, all companies must operate in a competitive manner at all times. Failure to do this is called collusion, and is punishable in a court of law for not allowing market forces to run the market.
Everything you say Bomber just makes no sense. Competition law does not state what you said above, it states that you must provide fair competition.

BomberAF 06-07-2013 19:13
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Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35592622)
Everything you say Bomber just makes no sense. Competition law does not state what you said above, it states that you must provide fair competition.
Yes, and it also says that you must be competitive. You cannot collude with other companies to fix prices or to get customers, so as such BT have to compete with VM as much as Sky. Competition law does not state that you shall give competitors products when you are competing with others. You have to provide Competition as you say and that means you must and can compete with all companies. So providing BT aren't being uncompetitive by either not offering a product or charging more for your product to one than another they are being competitive. BT are selling their sport channels to Sky customers on their own so they can be charged either £12 or £15, VM customers use the VM network which is private so they need to have a deal done via VM whereas Sky customers don't. This means that VM can buy wholesale from BT and get a deal similar to the one you had with ESPN. BT doesn't need to do a deal with Sky customers like that because the network or system Sky use isn't owned by Sky.

Gavin-D 06-07-2013 20:43
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592616)
VM are getting BT sport and Sky Atlantic.
Do you have a crystal ball?

BomberAF 06-07-2013 20:53
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Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35592668)
Do you have a crystal ball?
In the know leaking information.

Pster72 06-07-2013 21:03
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592616)
VM are getting BT sport and Sky Atlantic.
I hope your right

howardmicks 06-07-2013 21:09
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592675)
In the know leaking information.
seems you are in the know,Where is Universal HD,Sick of flaming waiting :mad:

BomberAF 06-07-2013 21:13
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Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35592684)
seems you are in the know,Where is Universal HD,Sick of flaming waiting :mad:
Only privy to info about BT Sports and premier league TV deals sorry, and some other deals but mainly general sport deals.

howardmicks 06-07-2013 21:30
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592689)
Only privy to info about BT Sports and premier league TV deals sorry, and some other deals but mainly general sport deals.
cheers bud anyway,Thought it was worth a try.Vm continue to ignore this channel was hoping new owners wouldnt but clearly they are :(

BomberAF 06-07-2013 21:34
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Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35592704)
cheers bud anyway,Thought it was worth a try.Vm continue to ignore this channel was hoping new owners wouldnt but clearly they are :(
They are not ignoring they are just not allowed to say anything until BT have done their little marketing job, until then VM have to keep quiet. When VM announce then BT will then change their strategy and sell themselves as friends of everyone and tell the world what great people they are. I am sure everyone will all agree.

Henkesghost 06-07-2013 21:38
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Atlantic and BT sports coming soon!!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/07/1.jpeg

Has MediaBoy been dethroned:shocked:

BomberAF 06-07-2013 21:44
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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35592715)
Atlantic and BT sports coming soon!!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/07/1.jpeg

Has MediaBoy been dethroned:shocked:
MediaBoy will remain on his thrown because he is VM, so with regards to info on VM he gets it straight from them.

denphone 06-07-2013 22:00
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Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35592668)
Do you have a crystal ball?
No but good old Chad will lend him his.;)

Chad 06-07-2013 22:32
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35592741)
No but good old Chad will lend him his.;)
I agree with the thoughts of Bomber. Virgin are on an incredible roll so far this year in terms of adding channels. I think BT Sports is almost a cert. SKY are now 2 and a half years into their 5 year deal with HBO. I think they might now consider cashing in. SKY's uptake rate is grinding to a halt. The fact they are counting NOW TV customers as new TV customers is telling.

BomberAF 06-07-2013 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35592763)
I agree with the thoughts of Bomber. Virgin are on an incredible roll so far this year in terms of adding channels. I think BT Sports is almost a cert. SKY are now 2 and a half years into their 5 year deal with HBO. I think they might now consider cashing in. SKY's uptake rate is grinding to a halt. The fact they are counting NOW TV customers as new TV customers is telling.
Not almost, is a deal done, just having to keep quiet until they can announce it.

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I believe Atlantic will possibly be arriving on the first of August with BT Sport, but if not it should be there in August some time.

Chad 06-07-2013 22:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592769)
Not almost, is a deal done, just having to keep quiet until they can announce it.

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I believe Atlantic will possibly be arriving on the first of August with BT Sport, but if not it should be there in August some time.
That would be good news 'cause where I live is Virgin Media heavy. My chums would like access to BT sports.

A bit off topic however how far away do you stay from Huyton?

muppetman11 06-07-2013 22:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35592763)
I agree with the thoughts of Bomber. Virgin are on an incredible roll so far this year in terms of adding channels. I think BT Sports is almost a cert. SKY are now 2 and a half years into their 5 year deal with HBO. I think they might now consider cashing in. SKY's uptake rate is grinding to a halt. The fact they are counting NOW TV customers as new TV customers is telling.
The numbers are declining nobody can argue with that point however its worth remembering that a Now TV subscriptions ongoing monthly cost is more than BT make out of their tv channels and more than M+ with V HD (no phone line) so its hardly surprising Sky have lumped these figures in with its traditional satellite customers , entertainment is to be added at some point to Now TV this brings the opportunity of even more revenue.

Mr Banana 06-07-2013 22:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592709)
They are not ignoring they are just not allowed to say anything until BT have done their little marketing job, until then VM have to keep quiet. When VM announce then BT will then change their strategy and sell themselves as friends of everyone and tell the world what great people they are. I am sure everyone will all agree.

Have no doubt bt sports will appear on VM although not sure in what guise as yet, your view is simply your view at the moment.

Any deal that is share price influencing has to be shared with the major shareholders at the earliest opportunity and that has not happened to date.

As I said, I'm sure a deal will be done but nothing has happened as yet.

BomberAF 06-07-2013 23:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35592776)
That would be good news 'cause where I live is Virgin Media heavy. My chums would like access to BT sports.

A bit off topic however how far away do you stay from Huyton?
I live about 4 - 6 miles from Huyton.

Also forgot to mention that when Atlantic airs on VM GoT's previous series will be aired.

Chad 06-07-2013 23:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35592778)
The numbers are declining nobody can argue with that point however its worth remembering that a Now TV subscriptions ongoing monthly cost is more than BT make out of their tv channels and more than M+ with V HD (no phone line) so its hardly surprising Sky have lumped these figures in with its traditional satellite customers , entertainment is to be added at some point to Now TV this brings the opportunity of even more revenue.
I agree NOW TV's monthly cost is more than BT make out of their TV channels however there seems to be loads of deals out and about for NOW TV. If you search the net you can get NOW TV for 6 months for £14.99. Also PS3 customers can get NOW TV for 3 months for £3.00. I think SKY are trying to beef up the figures prior to the next results being released. It would be good to see how many people are subscribing to NOW TV without any kind of deal.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592781)
I live about 4 - 6 miles from Huyton.

Also forgot to mention that when Atlantic airs on VM GoT's previous series will be aired.
Just thought I'd ask as my family come for Huyton

BomberAF 06-07-2013 23:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35592779)
Have no doubt bt sports will appear on VM although not sure in what guise as yet, your view is simply your view at the moment.

Any deal that is share price influencing has to be shared with the major shareholders at the earliest opportunity and that has not happened to date.

As I said, I'm sure a deal will be done but nothing has happened as yet.
Not my personal view.

BT Sport will be available from the 1st August as BT Sport. When it airs it will not be marketed as a ploy to take customers from VM it will be more a PR exercise to positively present the company.

Like I have said the deal and the legalities have taken place but VM are not allowed to announce it yet as BT are using this time to attract new BB customers. When this period ends then VM can announce it. This TV deal was arranged a while ago and so were the arrangements on who, when and how it will be aired.

Arthurgray50@blu 06-07-2013 23:20
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Just think, IF BT Sport and Atlantic arrive on VM - the Comiong Soon tag, and Media Boy would be made redundant - wouldn't they.

Mr Banana 06-07-2013 23:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592784)
Not my personal view.

BT Sport will be available from the 1st August as BT Sport. When it airs it will not be marketed as a ploy to take customers from VM it will be more a PR exercise to positively present the company.

Like I have said the deal and the legalities have taken place but VM are not allowed to announce it yet as BT are using this time to attract new BB customers. When this period ends then VM can announce it. This TV deal was arranged a while ago and so were the arrangements on who, when and how it will be aired.
I would love to agree with you but I have heard nothing that supports your view, where have you heard all this from?

BomberAF 06-07-2013 23:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592675)
In the know leaking information.
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Chad 06-07-2013 23:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35592789)
Just think, IF BT Sport and Atlantic arrive on VM - the Comiong Soon tag, and Media Boy would be made redundant - wouldn't they.
It's not official until it's confirmed by Media Boy, as far as I'm concerned.

BomberAF 06-07-2013 23:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35592794)
It's not official until it's confirmed by Media Boy, as far as I'm concerned.
I wouldn't expect you to believe me, but like I said when BT have finished their marketing for new customers campaign and VM can announce MrdiaBoy will confirm it.

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I will put my neck on the line though and say that Atlantic will launch on August 1st and it will be announced at the same time as BT Sport being announced. They will both start on August 1st.

Chad 06-07-2013 23:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592796)
I wouldn't expect you to believe me, but like I said when BT have finished their marketing for new customers campaign and VM can announce MrdiaBoy will confirm it.

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I will put my neck on the line though and say that Atlantic will launch on August 1st and it will be announced at the same time as BT Sport being announced. They will both start on August 1st.
I do believe you however I'm just giving Media Boy the credit and respect he deserves.

If the info you are posting is accurate, you'll get plenty of credit in month or so for sharing with us.

BomberAF 06-07-2013 23:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35592800)
I do believe you however I'm just giving Media Boy the credit and respect he deserves.

If the info you are posting is accurate, you'll get plenty of credit in month or so for sharing with us.
Wasn't looking for credit, just sharing information with you. Don't like seeing people being left in the lurch. A bit of a stale mate had arisen, and people seemed to be getting messed around but people were powerless to do anything through no fault of their own.

Mr Banana 06-07-2013 23:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592793)
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Originally Posted by BomberAF View Post
In the know leaking information.



MMM ok - not convinced though, hopefully I will be apologising after 1st August

Dave42 07-07-2013 00:28
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the question is if VM do finally get sky atlantic will we get the HD version too

jj20x 07-07-2013 03:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592601)
BT are firstly wanting to take back the broadband customers it is losing to Sky, it also does want customers off VM for its own fibre bb. Of course BT is looking after its own business first, it is business........
I know what you are trying to say, it's just that the way you phrased it was self-contradictory.

denphone 07-07-2013 08:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35592789)
Just think, IF BT Sport and Atlantic arrive on VM - the Comiong Soon tag, and Media Boy would be made redundant - wouldn't they.
Media Boy will never be made redundant as he has too many supporters for that to happen plus there are always updates here and there about possible happenings in the future.:)

andy_m 07-07-2013 09:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592801)
Wasn't looking for credit, just sharing information with you. Don't like seeing people being left in the lurch. A bit of a stale mate had arisen, and people seemed to be getting messed around but people were powerless to do anything through no fault of their own.
Hi BomberAF,

You do appear credible, but I'm sure you'll appreciate that there will always be a level of scepticism when apparently itk information is leaked on a public discussion forum. However, what you've said is, in my mind at least, corroborated by the recent announcement of Bt sports on the Virgin website which was subsequently pulled, and the recent story that Virgin and Sky were talking about Atlantic again.

I hope you won't mind me saying that some of your posts are lengthy, and a bit difficult to follow? I'd be grateful if you could clarify the following points so I know I've understood you correctly:

1. You are itk about sports media rights, and you know Bt sports is coming to Virgin on 1St August. (You've been clear about this point).

2. It will be included in xl, but the price of xl might go up to cover it. (I didn't fully understand what you wrote about what customers will have to pay).

3. A deal for Atlantic has also been agreed - do you know this bit, or are you making an educated guess? (Asked on the basis that you're itk about sports rights I'm wondering how you also know about this non sport channel).

Cheers in advance...

colin25 07-07-2013 10:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35592852)
Hi BomberAF,

You do appear credible, but I'm sure you'll appreciate that there will always be a level of scepticism when apparently itk information is leaked on a public discussion forum. However, what you've said is, in my mind at least, corroborated by the recent announcement of Bt sports on the Virgin website which was subsequently pulled, and the recent story that Virgin and Sky were talking about Atlantic again.

I hope you won't mind me saying that some of your posts are lengthy, and a bit difficult to follow? I'd be grateful if you could clarify the following points so I know I've understood you correctly:

1. You are itk about sports media rights, and you know Bt sports is coming to Virgin on 1St August. (You've been clear about this point).

2. It will be included in xl, but the price of xl might go up to cover it. (I didn't fully understand what you wrote about what customers will have to pay).

3. A deal for Atlantic has also been agreed - do you know this bit, or are you making an educated guess? (Asked on the basis that you're itk about sports rights I'm wondering how you also know about this non sport channel).

Cheers in advance...
itk = in the know

I am pedantic about fully spelling out at first instance

In my company, you would hear "You are the weakest link, goodbye"

DaMac 07-07-2013 10:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592796)
I will put my neck on the line though and say that Atlantic will launch on August 1st and it will be announced at the same time as BT Sport being announced. They will both start on August 1st.
Could you please tell us also where and when this neck on the line will be so we can come and have a hack at it on August the 1st?
As I understand it the main stumbling block for Atlantic has always been the case that VM won't pay a premium for it because Sky won't promise that they won't sign up a load of content and launch another exclusive channel in the future.

Media Boy UK 07-07-2013 11:01
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In the past week I have seen some info - Nothing to do with Virgin - the info is about some channels broadcasters and I was also given an 'Do not post' order on this information.

Will reveal more when I can.

ocav 07-07-2013 11:08
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I don't believe BomberAF cause he is basically giving VM subscribers the dream line up.

He's apparently privvy to the sports deal, how I don't know, but somehow has information on a non-sports channel.

Also MB sounds intriguing!

johnasimmons 07-07-2013 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35592873)
In the past week I have seen some info - Nothing to do with Virgin - the info is about some channels broadcasters and I was also given an 'Do not post' order on this information.

Will reveal more when I can.
mmmm, very interesting MB :)

denphone 07-07-2013 11:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35592877)
mmmm, very interesting MB :)
Here we go around the wheel of CF speculation again.:D

johnasimmons 07-07-2013 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35592881)
Here we go around the wheel of CF speculation again.:D
That's part of the fun Den :D

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The Sky Atlantic rumours have really reappeared in the last week though...

Media Boy UK 07-07-2013 11:38
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Confirmed news for July:

http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...gin-media.html

BomberAF 07-07-2013 11:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35592852)
Hi BomberAF,

You do appear credible, but I'm sure you'll appreciate that there will always be a level of scepticism when apparently itk information is leaked on a public discussion forum. However, what you've said is, in my mind at least, corroborated by the recent announcement of Bt sports on the Virgin website which was subsequently pulled, and the recent story that Virgin and Sky were talking about Atlantic again.

I hope you won't mind me saying that some of your posts are lengthy, and a bit difficult to follow? I'd be grateful if you could clarify the following points so I know I've understood you correctly:

1. You are itk about sports media rights, and you know Bt sports is coming to Virgin on 1St August. (You've been clear about this point).

2. It will be included in xl, but the price of xl might go up to cover it. (I didn't fully understand what you wrote about what customers will have to pay).

3. A deal for Atlantic has also been agreed - do you know this bit, or are you making an educated guess? (Asked on the basis that you're itk about sports rights I'm wondering how you also know about this non sport channel).

Cheers in advance...
I am also privy to little bit's of information that is not sports media rights, such as Sky Atlantic.

1st. Yes BT Sports are arriving on August 1st.

2. It will be included in the XL price as it was with ESPN. To be clear it may remain at the same price but you may also find your costs may go up by a pound or 2.

3. Atlantic has been agreed, the reason it wasn't originally a part of VM was because SKY were selling their product as a premium channel and VM as a compromise. They were using it to get people to move to sky, if you haven't moved yet you are not going to move. They are therefore giving it to VM as part of the XL package.

johnasimmons 07-07-2013 11:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592890)
1st. Yes BT Sports are arriving on August 1st.

2. It will be included in the XL price as it was with ESPN. To be clear it may remain at the same price but you may also find your costs may go up by a pound or 2.

3. Atlantic has been agreed, the reason it wasn't originally a part of VM was because SKY were selling their product as a premium channel and VM as a compromise. They were using it to get people to move to sky, if you having moved yet you are not going to move. They are therefore giving it to VM as part of the XL package.
If your source of information is correct BomberAF this is great news :beer:

BomberAF 07-07-2013 11:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35592870)
Could you please tell us also where and when this neck on the line will be so we can come and have a hack at it on August the 1st?
As I understand it the main stumbling block for Atlantic has always been the case that VM won't pay a premium for it because Sky won't promise that they won't sign up a load of content and launch another exclusive channel in the future.

The reason for Atlantic not being on VM was because Sky was selling their product as a premium product and VM as a lower value product. Sky were trying to get people to leave and Join then but if you haven't left now you aren't going to. Therefore it will be part of the XL package.

ocav 07-07-2013 11:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592890)
1st. Yes BT Sports are arriving on August 1st.

2. It will be included in the XL price as it was with ESPN. To be clear it may remain at the same price but you may also find your costs may go up by a pound or 2.
Bad move on them, if they raise the price just for BT Sport ill be off, don't see the point in being forced to pay for a channel I will probably never really watch.

BomberAF 07-07-2013 12:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35592893)
Bad move on them, if they raise the price just for BT Sport ill be off, don't see the point in being forced to pay for a channel I will probably never really watch.
That is just me speculating so don't read anything into it, I would think that the price will stay the same.

muppetman11 07-07-2013 12:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592890)
I am also privy to little bit's of information that is not sports media rights, such as Sky Atlantic.

1st. Yes BT Sports are arriving on August 1st.

2. It will be included in the XL price as it was with ESPN. To be clear it may remain at the same price but you may also find your costs may go up by a pound or 2.

3. Atlantic has been agreed, the reason it wasn't originally a part of VM was because SKY were selling their product as a premium channel and VM as a compromise. They were using it to get people to move to sky, if you haven't moved yet you are not going to move. They are therefore giving it to VM as part of the XL package.
I'm finding this really hard to believe if I'm honest ,

VM have added a mammoth amount of channels a fair few HD , they're going to add Sky Atlantic and BT Sport and include it all for the cost of XL if so were do I sign up ?

Its the BT Sport issue I'm struggling to believe needless to say lets just wait and see I'm happy to be proven wrong.

BomberAF 07-07-2013 12:25
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The reason I believe the price will stay the same is because BT will have to do a deal with VM. As a result of this VM can sell to VM customers a wholesale price, as VM will be able to guarantee BT X amount of customers and as such many many millions per year. BT cannot expect VM to carry their channel for nothing, or expect VM customers to pay more than non BT sky customers, so VM can make a profit. This would be unlawful, and a breach on competition laws. BT will get a subscription of every person that subscribes to the XL package but it won't be £12 or £15, it will be less. This will allow VM to make a profit as being a middle man or a broker in the deal.

If the price goes up by a pound or 2 then it may be down to the fact that VM have had to pay more for BT sports and have as such had their profit margin squeezed. It may be that VM decide they can charge more for their product.

denphone 07-07-2013 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35592891)
If your source of information is correct BomberAF this is great news :beer:
Indeed it would be great news.:D

ocav 07-07-2013 12:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592904)
The reason I believe the price will stay the same is because BT will have to do a deal with VM. As a result of this VM can sell to VM customers a wholesale price, as VM will be able to guarantee BT X amount of customers and as such many many millions per year. BT cannot expect VM to carry their channel for nothing, or expect VM customers to pay more than non BT sky customers, so VM can make a profit. This would be unlawful, and a breach on competition laws. BT will get a subscription of every person that subscribes to the XL package but it won't be £12 or £15, it will be less. This will allow VM to make a profit as being a middle man or a broker in the deal.

If the price goes up by a pound or 2 then it may be down to the fact that VM have had to pay more for BT sports and have as such had their profit margin squeezed. It may be that VM decide they can charge more for their product.
Well we will wait and see. As MB has said before, nothing is confirmed until it appears on the EPG.

harry_hitch 07-07-2013 12:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35592789)
Just think, IF BT Sport and Atlantic arrive on VM - the Comiong Soon tag, and Media Boy would be made redundant - wouldn't they.
No. Other people want some other missing channels (mainly HD variants) Arthur. For example, I would rather have Nat Geo Wild HD than Sky Atlantic.

denphone 07-07-2013 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35592903)
I'm finding this really hard to believe if I'm honest ,

VM have added a mammoth amount of channels a fair few HD , they're going to add Sky Atlantic and BT Sport and include it all for the cost of XL if so were do I sign up ?

Its the BT Sport issue I'm struggling to believe needless to say lets just wait and see I'm happy to be proven wrong.
:omg::omg: the master is a non believer.:D

muppetman11 07-07-2013 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35592910)
:omg::omg: the master is a non believer.:D
Come on Den even you can't tell me you believe all that , VM have some excellent packages however adding all that in XL and the price staying virtually the same doesn't stack up for me personally. I'll believe it when its posted on here as official or from a known credible source.

denphone 07-07-2013 12:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35592912)
Come on Den even you can't tell me you believe all that , VM have some excellent packages however adding all that in XL and the price staying virtually the same doesn't stack up for me personally. I'll believe it when its posted on here as official or from a known credible source.
l did not say l believe it all but rumours from informed sources suggest something's going to happen in the next few weeks.:D

BomberAF 07-07-2013 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592904)
The reason I believe the price will stay the same is because BT will have to do a deal with VM. As a result of this VM can sell to VM customers a wholesale price, as VM will be able to guarantee BT X amount of customers and as such many many millions per year. BT cannot expect VM to carry their channel for nothing, or expect VM customers to pay more than non BT sky customers, so VM can make a profit. This would be unlawful, and a breach on competition laws. BT will get a subscription of every person that subscribes to the XL package but it won't be £12 or £15, it will be less. This will allow VM to make a profit as being a middle man or a broker in the deal.

If the price goes up by a pound or 2 then it may be down to the fact that VM have had to pay more for BT sports and have as such had their profit margin squeezed. It may be that VM decide they can charge more for their product.

I would like to clarify this post.

I am not speculating on this deal, or the price or how it will be given to you. On the face of it, it will be given to you in exactly the same way that ESPN was. When I say that you may have to pay more is because VM have had to pay slightly more for this product and as such have had to charge customers slightly more.

I don't think this will be the case because the deal was set up specifically to get around an increase in prices so therefore it would result in no price increase. VM now have more people paying for an XL subscription because the dream boxes have gone so they have more money, this is a huge factor that has helped keep the price down.

harry_hitch 07-07-2013 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35592893)
Bad move on them, if they raise the price just for BT Sport ill be off, don't see the point in being forced to pay for a channel I will probably never really watch.
IF there is a price rise and we do get SA and BT sports, surely the addition of SA will also be included in any future possible price rises.
Also I did not see what package you are on, but if you are on XL, I guess there are a few channels you do not really watch currently, so what will be the difference?

BomberAF 07-07-2013 12:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35592912)
Come on Den even you can't tell me you believe all that , VM have some excellent packages however adding all that in XL and the price staying virtually the same doesn't stack up for me personally. I'll believe it when its posted on here as official or from a known credible source.
Don't expect you to believe me, and I am not doing it for credit or to be a known source. Atlantic will go onto VM because like I have said Atlantic was a tool that Sky used to sell themselves as a premium channel and VM a compromise. If you haven't left VM now you are probably not going to. you also have to consider that people are just downloading torrents of the programs shown on Atlantic so Sky are losing money.

It was always going to happen that 2 years after Atlantic being exclusive to sky it will be given to VM.

---------- Post added at 11:56 ---------- Previous post was at 11:52 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35592915)
IF there is a price rise and we do get SA and BT sports, surely the addition of SA will also be included in any future possible price rises.
Also I did not see what package you are on, but if you are on XL, I guess there are a few channels you do not really watch currently, so what will be the difference?
Sky will give it to VM as part of the deal they have with VM so there will be no additional cost for it. Sky make a lot of money from selling their products to VM. Sky don't charge VM for individual channels they charge them a set price for all channels.

Like you say the only price rise will be in future price rises, Sky customers dont get charged extra for Sky Atlantic.

freakgirl 07-07-2013 13:02
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Presumably the channels will have to be tested before they go live so if we do get them we should know before August 1st

dodo1 07-07-2013 13:02
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any more news on the followinng channels

horse and country
pop girl
disney channel hd
disney xd hd
horror channel+1
mgm hd

harry_hitch 07-07-2013 13:03
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592916)
Don't expect you to believe me, and I am not doing it for credit or to be a known source. Atlantic will go onto VM because like I have said Atlantic was a tool that Sky used to sell themselves as a premium channel and VM a compromise. If you haven't left VM now you are probably not going to. you also have to consider that people are just downloading torrents of the programs shown on Atlantic so Sky are losing money.

It was always going to happen that 2 years after Atlantic being exclusive to sky it will be given to VM.

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Sky will give it to VM as part of the deal they have with VM so there will be no additional cost for it. Sky make a lot of money from selling their products to VM. Sky don't charge VM for individual channels they charge them a set price for all channels.

Like you say the only price rise will be in future price rises, Sky customers dont get charged extra for Sky Atlantic.
Cheers for clearing that up BomberAF! I can follow your logic with the channel launches, and what you say is logical to me. I can't say I am overly bothered by the probable arrivals, but I will be happy for those who want them! At least it will shut a few people up on here when they eventually come.

passingbat 07-07-2013 13:41
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3.
 
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592914)
VM now have more people paying for an XL subscription because the dream boxes have gone.

I don't understand what you mean by that.

BomberAF 07-07-2013 13:50
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35592929)
I don't understand what you mean by that.
When the dream boxes were around, people weren't subscribing to the XL pack they were just subscribing to basic packages. Therefore there is now more money available to VM, so that means although BT sport may cost more to VM than ESPN because of more money available people aren't having to pay more.

passingbat 07-07-2013 14:10
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Originally Posted by BomberAF (Post 35592930)
When the dream boxes were around, people weren't subscribing to the XL pack they were just subscribing to basic packages. Therefore there is now more money available to VM, so that means although BT sport may cost more to VM than ESPN because of more money available people aren't having to pay more.

I may be being a bit thick, but it's the dream boxes I don't understand. What are dream boxes?


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