Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35574972)

How long are they likely to keep that up for?

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575049)

I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35575085)

If they're not of sound mind they will spend the rest of their natural lives in Broadmoor with nothing but a packet of crayons and a couple of celebrity psychopaths for company.

Win/win, so far as I can see.

If they're really lucky they might get to sit next to Peter Sutcliffe at breakfast. He thought he was being guided by the voice of God too.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575067)

You may think she was stupid but i see her as a very brave lady

She saw him with blood all over himself,holding a cleaver and a gun ,he may well have continued hacking away at someone else to get more attention had she not spoken to him ,if a man had gone to him to try to get the weapons off him then we may well be reading about 2 murders ,some women have a natural gift for defusing tense and violent situations by simply staying calm themselves ,had a man confronted them it would be confrontational which just exacerbates situations like these

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575094)

It just occurred to me that perhaps, like Anders Breivik, they would consider it a failure to be judged insane.

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35575049)

I expect that these two will spend the rest of their natural life in jail (assuming they are judged to be of sound mind).

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35575085)

If they're not of sound mind they will spend the rest of their natural lives in Broadmoor with nothing but a packet of crayons and a couple of celebrity psychopaths for company.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575060)

So many are brave until they have to prove it. I wonder how many people would have gone to the killers like this woman did and the two other women who went to protect the body and speak to the killers too. I would probably be very far away hiding behind a bin.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575081)

but the British way is that unless they get caught in the act. then they are left ticking away.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575097)

That's a good point. Would have been nice if they woke to see the papers this morning and they were simply portrayed as the murderers they are and not the islamic martyr they hope it be. Every day they should be reminded that they're nothing, just killers. They didn't start a 'war', they didn't provoke fear, they're two nutters who murdered someone's dad in cold blood.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575097)

That's a good point. Would have been nice if they woke to see the papers this morning and they were simply portrayed as the murderers they are and not the islamic martyr they hope it be.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575111)

Had the media done that then they would be accused of "not wanting to offend Muslims".

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Incredible footage of the 2 idiots getting their arses handed to them on a plate by armed police

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-video-1907772

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575130)

I'm glad they didn't kill them - whilst alive the police may be able to get information about other like-minded idiots from them.

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35575132)

Death is what they wanted, charging at the armed police when they arrived was probably their attempt at martyrdom, death by cop. I hope they stay alive for the rest of their natural lives with nothing but 4 empty walls to keep them company.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575111)

Had the media done that then they would be accused of "not wanting to offend Muslims".

---------- Post added at 22:17 ---------- Previous post was at 21:13 ----------

Incredible footage of the 2 idiots getting their arses handed to them on a plate by armed police

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-video-1907772

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575135)

the Mirror has taken the video down

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575136)

I just watched it again....

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575130)

I'm glad they didn't kill them - whilst alive the police may be able to get information about other like-minded idiots from them.

Originally Posted by Kabaal (Post 35575150)

The video that pic belongs to is floating around too, he doesn't do much other than stand there though.

Originally Posted by Siuko (Post 35575311)

Watching all these things that keep happening with reference to Muslims/Islam and terrorism. And watching arguments between the fundamentalist muslims/islamics like Choudary and the normal everyday muslim/islamic person in the UK.

I have come to the conclusion that I shall no longer think of the terrorists as muslims / islamists. They seem to go against many of the muslim/islamic beliefs.

Have any heads of the islamic faith (not crazies like Choudary) outlined the true stance of islam with reference to killings, following the laws of the lands the islamic people live in etc?

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575381)

I still say the only good terrorist is a dead one. Has there been any news on what condition those *******s are in ?

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35575398)

Alive and well.

well a bit poorly.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35575409)

Dam :mad:

Maybe we need to issue the police with 7.62mm ammo instead of 9mm and 5.56mm. :)

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575410)

Most probably unconnected but there are reports that London Bridge station has been evacuated due to a man with an axe wandering about the place.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575410)

Most probably unconnected but there are reports that London Bridge station has been evacuated due to a man with an axe wandering about the place.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35575157)

Couldn't they check who they phoned or texted, or which websites they visited in the last 6 months. Oh no they can't, can they.:mad:

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35575457)

Why not? I'm sure with the appropriate court order, they can go back a good 12 months with ease.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35575461)

Then why has there been repeated talk about having to pass a new law for the info to be stored in case it is needed at a later date.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575466)

Do you want all your details of internet/phone activity stored indefinitely,don't forget that to store the info they first have to collect it, which is effectively spying on every one in the country .How do you feel about that ??

Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35575485)

I don't, but seeing as all the info is already on your ISP's server logs, the info is already there. Do you really think they can't access it if they want to?

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35575427)

There are going to be lots of false alarms and confusion after an incident like this, it's inevitable. The best we can hope for is that any false alarms don't prevent the emergency services from attending promptly to genuine emergencies.

I think we need to realise that the people involved in heinous acts have 'hijacked' their religion just like the likes of the BNP hijacked our flag. If ordinary decent people start fearing and hating eachother we're doing their job for them.

Originally Posted by Vieil Homme (Post 35575494)

Rivers of blood! Its all coming to pass but would we listen..............You feel or think they have hijacked their religion! The Quran contains at least 109 verses that I can find, it calls Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

The Quran needs to be updated or sections banned before more misguided people act on what is written within the Quran. In the Old Testament it is written "an eye for an eye" yet in the New Testament it is written to turn the other cheek.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35575497)

Yes we have all seen the quotes and the various interpretations used BY SOME to justify such acts. The fact remains that the vast majority of muslims don't go around murdering people in the name of religion any more than do the vast majority of Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews...

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575498)

The bible has some pretty violent stuff as well. I think this is a lot more political than religious anyway.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575514)

No! Its both but mainly its religion, its rooting from religion.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575520)

It is both but we shouldn't ignore the political aspect. It isn't unreasonable to suggest that western foreign policy, regardless of it's merits and flaws, is helping the radicalisation of disaffected Muslim men. The attackers were spouting just as much political noises as religious ones. The Jewish faith follows the Old Testament which is pretty violent are there isn't a similar problem there, nor is there much of a problem with extreme Christianity. Yet there is nothing inherently different about the Islamic faith and it also happens that a lot of the areas around the world that have the instability for extremism to thrive are predominately Muslim.

I don't think it's as simple to say it's rooted from religion.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575520)

I would advice against drawing too much from selectively chosen passages from the Quran. I don't think many of us here have the knowledge to place those quotes in their proper context or how they're typically perceived and interpreted. The Bible has passages that advocating stoning people to death for working on the sabbath after all. It's meaningless to just cherry-pick these quotes.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35575498)

The bible has some pretty violent stuff as well. I think this is a lot more political than religious anyway.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35575540)

MI5 'offered job to suspect'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22664468

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35575497)

Yes we have all seen the quotes and the various interpretations used BY SOME to justify such acts. The fact remains that the vast majority of muslims don't go around murdering people in the name of religion any more than do the vast majority of Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews...

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575528)

I'm not ignoring anything. Its others that are ignoring things. Western foreign policy promotes what? prosperity for people? The Islamic extremists promote what? denial of prosperity? Western foreign policy is to bring people together of any kind? Islamic policy isn't anything like that, its a die hard no?

Does the Christian/Jewish/Hindu/etc. faith go against prosperity?

Spot on. Corrupt Countries are not helping anything. Add the dots up.



What do you want to happen for you to believe what I've typed out? Why don't you order a Saudi Arabian stamped Quran and read it for yourself then tell us not to jump on selective verses. A member on here posted verses either from a Quran I haven't read/heard of or has translated something wrongly. Read umbrokhan786 post/qutoes then read my type up word for word from the Saudi Arabian stamped Quran http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35574879-post120.html MASSIVE difference. I'm not cherry picking anything. And its not meaningless to cherry pick. A rapist who cherry picked quotes from the Quran, teachings from the Quran got away with taking an extremely young girls virginity. Cherry pick that. Cherry picking isnt meaningless, our own Courts fell for cherry picking! I'm not going to go through a very long book to pull endless quotes, it will take forever but I will look up any quotes people post up.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575584)

Why does anybody have to 'decide' unless they're pushing an agenda?

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575588)

What is the significance of a stamped copy from SA? ,i beleive it is also called the Noble Quran

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575589)

Correct approved translation.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35575617)

Theres loads of infighting. I don't understand Arabic to start translating the book myself. I'm not going to shut my eyes though believing the book hasnt been translated correctly by the very Country Muslims consider to have the 2 Holiest places. Look at the Laws in place in Saudi Arabia, they relate to the Quran.

Modern Muslims have modernised themselves because they want prosperity, they want life, they want all round good for everyone etc. In a nutshell they are trying to balance things.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35575621)

Laws that many Muslims shun because they don't agree with that version of Islam(Sharia) .My point was that there is no correct version to follow ,the same applies to Christianity which has many different sects of the same religion .The version you are reading and quoting from is one of the most extreme versions ,as is Islam practiced in Saudi where punishment is severe and considered brutal and women have no rights .Other versions or translations of the Quran are less extreme so who is right ? nobody knows the truth but don't be fooled into thinking that your "stamped and approved copy" is any more correct than any other official translation .

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 35575671)

Atheists don't go around trying to influence people to change their faith. If your happy with your faith, that's great, just don't try & influence others to your way of life.

Most Muslims just get on with life, keep their faith to themselves, & live in peace. However, there are the factions within the Muslim community who want to oppress & disturb our way of life. Their fanatical rantings are no different to Nazi Germany, they want Islam (their corrupt version)to rule the world & are prepared to go to any lengths to get what they want.

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 35575671)

Atheists don't go around trying to influence people to change their faith.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35575743)

Just announced on www.skynews.co.uk a soldier has been stabbed in the neck in France.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575722)

Oh really?! Ever heard of Richard Dawkins? Ever had a look at Ricky Gervais' twitter feed?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35576029)

To be fair they don't so much go and do rather than speak about it when asked. Dawkins mostly talks in debates or when being interviewed and you need to subscribe to Gervais' twitter feed.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35575722)

Oh really?! Ever heard of Richard Dawkins? Ever had a look at Ricky Gervais' twitter feed?

Originally Posted by SMG (Post 35576139)

Why people don`t just enjoy what life they have without causing misery to others is just beyond me.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35576144)

Exactly however "new atheism" seems incapable of understanding that.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35576081)

Sky are reporting a stabbing 300 metres from where he died. What are the chances this was a 'revenge' attack by some knuckle-dragger?

http://news.sky.com/story/1095844/sk...ed-in-woolwich

Originally Posted by spreadsheet (Post 35576165)

we are seeing the fruition of two or three generations of liberal minded thinking

well done :clap::clap:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35576176)

yes, we were very remiss in giving women the vote, uppity colonials their countries back, and thinking that perhaps treating all people equally regardless of their sex, sexuality, race, religion, or physical abilities was a good thing......:dozey:

If you want to go back to a time where people 'knew their place', where do you think your 'place' would be?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35576179)

Apart from safer?

Originally Posted by spreadsheet (Post 35576165)

we are seeing the fruition of two or three generations of liberal minded thinking

well done :clap::clap:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35576206)

Well the generations before that saw two world wars, the birth of the IRA, and the invention of nuclear weapons. :erm:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35576176)

yes, we were very remiss in giving women the vote, uppity colonials their countries back, and thinking that perhaps treating all people equally regardless of their sex, sexuality, race, religion, or physical abilities was a good thing......:dozey:

If you want to go back to a time where people 'knew their place', where do you think your 'place' would be?

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35576101)

Don't stabbings happen most days in London?

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35576101)

Don't stabbings happen most days in London?

Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35576223)

Not on the scale of last weeks stabbing.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35576256)

Knife crime stats up to 2011-2012 in London..

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/news...-2007-to-2012/

According to this, there were 14,170 reported knife crimes in 2011-12 in London, which is approx.39 per day on average, and in Greenwich (which is the borough Woolwich is in) there were 396, or just over one per day on average.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35576256)

Knife crime stats up to 2011-2012 in London..

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/news...-2007-to-2012/

According to this, there were 14,170 reported knife crimes in 2011-12 in London, which is approx.39 per day on average, and in Greenwich (which is the borough Woolwich is in) there were 396, or just over one per day on average.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35576623)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...t-tea-biscuits

Nicely done.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35576637)

Only 6no. EDL protestors turned up. Whereas about 150 supporters of the mosque were present.

1 no. protestor partook in the tea and biscuits

1 no. protestor (don't know if it was the same one) accepted an invitation to look around the mosque.

Don't get me wrong, it was the right thing to do, but it wasn't a football game between the trenches.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35576623)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...t-tea-biscuits



Nicely done.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35576686)

It's a good job they came out alive. we'd have had to send somebody in to go and find what they've done with them :)

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35576209)

Hugh, you don't understand. The only way to stop the terrorists from taking over this country is to introduce aspects of Sharia law before they do!

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35576752)

NO you want to practice Sharia law Pee off to somewhere it is practiced.

This is Great Britian our law under the Crown.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35576753)

This guy was in the Sunday Telegraph last Sunday (page 5), and to me, is showing the height of disrespect towards Lee Rigby.

He was reported as being a Captain in the SAS, but is wearing a Royal Marine No. 2 Dress Jacket, a RAF shirt, is carrying a RM No. 1 hat, has both RM and SAS badges on his lapels (if you are one of 'Them', you don't wear your original unit badges), and has a RAF unit badge on his arm. He also has no rank badges, and some strange bling on his right breast pocket.

He seems to me to be a 'Walt' - it's strange enough pretending to be/have been in the Forces, but to do so after such a horrific incident seems to be in exceedingly poor taste.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35576758)

Agreed, if they want Sharia law then they can **** off to a country where Sharia law is practised.

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35576756)