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I know this link is a little dated but the information is a reliable source


100 of the largest oil fields supply 50% of the worlds oil and these fields are old and beyond their peek and they say they will not find any more of these largest oil fields. Peek production around 2030 with 15 to 20 years so some of the younger member may still be alive when production starts to decline then it will be a relatively short time before its gone.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...rrelevant.html

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just wondered what you fancied when you woke up

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Because no one else applies - and thats the problem

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You worry too much.:). and I'll have Bacon and eggs for Brekkie please. ;)

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lol please stop trying to tell me what emotions I am feeling I am not worried about it

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well hopefully if DC keeps his word and we get a referendum on our position in the EU we may see what its like with the freedom of movement rules removed

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I'm not telling you what you feel or to feel at all,I just comment on your posts and speculate,that's all.

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you said and I quote " you worry to much" so you are telling me I am worried when I am not :) worry is an emotion a feeling

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Yes,I indeed said that.Doesn't change the fact I'm not telling you how to feel,it is a suggestion,a speculation based on your posts. I'm not responsible for your feelings. Are we straight now? ;)

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nope :) you seem bothered about it lol

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Yeah,cause I'm the one constantly posting about how other people tell me how I feel,right? ;)

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hey you will pick me up on what I say please allow me the same privilege. Mind you I will do it anyway of course

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:)

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No were not agreed, I couldn't particularly careless what someone on benefits gets or what they spend it on, its none of my business. Work should pay more but imo rather that cutting benefits perhaps wages should be increased instead of this race to the bottom people are currently enduring.

Where do you think the old boy network begins with, what school you went to perhaps.

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We all die or go hungry at least.

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It appears Mr £53 a week may have been exaggerating things a bit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9968...-gets-156.html

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Irrelevant IDS said anyone can live on £53 per week it matters not about this guy you are just clouding the issue with semantics > this guy said prove it that's all

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I do not understand what you mean? council tax and rent are paid via benefits then the rest comes out of whatever income you get whether benefits or low paid work. There is no benefit alone for Gas and Electric there is a fund for water but it is a charity. Do you mean the other utilities are paid via JSA or ESA or did you think there was a benefit for them too?

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He was ambushed with an unanswerable question based on false information. If he said he couldn't survive on what was claimed to be weekly benefits it would have been seized upon by certain people as proof benefits are not enough to lie on.

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If anything the fact that this guy cannot live on £53 a week either makes the point more valid.

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So he tried to blag us? ;)

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Makes what point more valid? the one about IDS talking crap ?

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I meant it makes the point that £53 isn't enough to live on

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Oh right that's cool then but of course IDS was still talking crap lol

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RizzyKing, l am in total agreement with what you are saying.

I also want to say soomething about foriegn workers taking the jobs in the UK.
If l was unemployed and looking for work l look at several points, the rent on my council house, my wife and the bills, l therefore look at what is there, l could not go for a job under £18.000 per year- reasons simple, if you get a job you have to work SIX weeks before claiming any benefit to put your money up, if you claim one benefit, you lose something else.

What l beleive is wrong is true what Rizzy King is saying if you go for Anti Tory, you get knocked down on this forum, it seems that everyone is saying that the coalition is correct in whats its doing.

Its always been known that the Tories will look after the rich, it proved yesterday that they will reduce the 50p tax down to 45p - WHY, if the rich have to pay more in taxes then so be it. They earn more money in interest sitting in the bank.

EVERYTHING has been done by the government is hitting the poor and the vulnerable - nothing to hit the rixch - in my book that is bad.

Foriegn workers, companies will always take on workers at the cheapest rate possible, and sometimes below the minimum wage, and dont please tell me that this does not go on - becuase it does.

Working Tax Credits next
 

This one might have wider implications for more of the membership here lets see if any change their view now

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...nto-doing-more

I have no idea if this should go on in the big thread as its a different benefit so I created a new one and its upto the team then :)

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They've already increased the minimum hours required to qualify.

Plus for the over 50's returning to work, they, and those already recently returned, have to work a minimum of 30 hours too.

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You couldn't care less what someone spends their benefits on? Guess what,neither could I! Slight problem being this was of course never the point I made in the first place.

Wages should and can indeed only be increased if the market can carry that higher rate.Furthermore,if the government would stop paying nonsense benefits like working tax credits maybe some employers would have to raise their wages... as I've made clear before I oppose Corporate welfare and I think some parts of the welfare state are indeed a negative influence on our wage structure.
Yes,possibly,however like I said that still doesn't guarantee success,although I do agree on the soft-cushy fall for those hurtling towards earth from high altitude. ;)
Hard work goes a long way and your attitude sounds self-defeatist,sorry.

Come on,Rent and council tax being paid for aren't real benefits since the claimants don't have the cash in their pockets. ;)

So someone who doesn't have to live on £53 pounds a week gets all offended on behalf of those who have and then challenges someone to do what he himself doesn't have to do,and there's not a problem with that? :dozey:

Yes,but what Heero was saying was Mister-156-quid-a-week conveniently forgot about that part of his benefits,that's all. Or don't they count?


Yup,like I said yesterday these are acting like an addict coming off his gear,so it's best to let then scream and shout and in a few years no one will remember and Britain will be much happier due to people being allowed to be self-sufficient once more.

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So what you're saying,Dear Arthur,is that you are the prime example of everything that is wrong with the attitude of a big part of the indigenous population on this beautiful island.... you're just too good to get up in the morning for the minimum wage,and instead making the low wage up with increased hours you'd rather remain on the dole and have others pay your way.... well done.


a higher tax rate doesn't mean the revenue will rise proportionally.... indeed it may well fall.
If you say so....
If many more people display your attitude towards work there won't be anyone left BUT foreigners to do the work.... ;)

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Good! :)

as I've said in the other thread this is a form of corporate welfare and quite simply shouldn't go on at all or not as much.
This actually means some companies would have to pay higher wages since the state doesn't artificially subsidise the Labour market. Meaning this measure is actually hitting 'the rich!!'....

....but,you disagree with it?:confused:

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but they wont pay higher wages will they? that is not how it works

Where did I say I disagree with this one? I have not said that just posted the story. Perhaps you should wait for me to actually say before you speak for me in future! :even more confused face:

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Oooohhh,getting worked up already are we? Touchy ? ;)

Anyway,you wrote this

which implies that you are still riding your Anti-Tory-let's-bash-the-rich-wave.At least it does to me... maybe you can offer an alternative viewpoint.

The other thread is the welfare state Mega-thread,there may be a hint in there... ;)

You know this how exactly? If the UK government wasn't influencing the wage structure through this benefit,it probably would.Seeing that people will vote with their feet and take higher paid positions,then those employers who offer too low a wage will have to adjust to the market.
Another factor is that the Industry of course knows this and some companies probably factor-in the possibilities of benefit payments to their employees. In any case it distorts the wage structure and is no good as such.

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1 No I am not as I explained before its all just a game. Just being pedantic mate jumping on any possible flaw in logic as people do to me :)

2 You are seeing the implication as I said please do not talk for me :) I am anti this system I have just as much ill will for Labour more anti capitalist but not a Marxist . If you actually look at my sig I am a member of UKIP but only because I want out of the EU

3 Yes but Tax Credits are Welfare however issued by HM revenue and customs so I thought I would leave it for the team to decide which you aint part of so hmm

4 It is my experience that in the capitalistic society where everything is greed orientated that employers would try to not increase wages and of course some simply will not be able to


I personally favour the idea of a Mixed Market Economy over the Free Market Economy the difference in theory would mean there would be less likelihood of economic downturns and capitalism's cycle of boom and bust

As it stands big business and corporations control the government in a MME the government would have some level of control over the businesses

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Going to be honest if they scrap it without tackling standard living No its bloomin suicide.

How many economist told them take the demand out country it tanks. When they finished this country will be lucky to be third world.

They also plans to scrap or looking reduce national minimum wage. Another stupid move while the standard living is this high.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9965...-suggests.html

I sure we got bunch thick rich boys who economic skills like 4 year old. They just sucking demand out the economy then wondering why its tanking:rolleyes:

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[Mod Edit - personal comments removed],that's all. No hard feelings,eh. ;)
What,your pathetic red rep for something that was obviously implied? ;)
Yeah,saw your signature.You're not telling me what I know or don't know,are you? May get a red rep for that. ;)
Yes,of course... ;)
No,and thanks to that welfare from HMRC they won't feel the need to.A point I've now made three times.....

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The problem with your comment regarding the 50 percent tax rate is that if it wasn't reduced more rich people would move abroad and pay tax there, how would we manage to support the neady then?

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People like Philpott makes a good cause for limiting benefits to 1-2 children only. Instead of using them as cash cows and means to get bigger houses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ependency.html

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Amen to that. A man who demanded he be left alone to live to do as he wished but wanted everyone else to pay for it. Selfish, low life personified.

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another policy I can live with far to many baby machines out there

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I feel it's sickening that our welfare state actually allows people like that to fester.
I think the problem is that it allows people like Philpotts to be completely unchecked by society since he lives in his own bubble and outside contact through work or other activities isn't really happening. The fact the guy has a dozen or so screws loose not-with-standing,obviously!

and yes,child benefit needs to be capped.... I'd actually prefer a system where those who work get tax relief for each child instead of cash,say a 2% reduction in income tax and NI,or something like that.Reward working families and leave more money in their pockets.

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He wasn't 'unchecked' as he's been on Jeremy Kyle and interveiwed by Ann Widdicome and seems to be well known in his area. But he gets away with because of the kids.

Though I do agree with the rest, but from what I also see that is childless couples (through choice or not) will be penalised by that.

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Is it really any surprise that children, being the gateway to many benefits and other forms of support, are seen by some as no more than a means to an end whether that be cash in their hands or larger homes? That doesn't bode well for the future of these poor children.

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Ok,unchecked isn't the right term,maybe rather living outside of social norms,aided by the benefit system.

No,it really isn't... this story should be even more incentive to make sure we as a society don't support such lifestyle choices.

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So at the moment it's okay for the likes of the Philpotts to breed like rabbits and be left untouched to empty to pot, but if you're sick or disabled it's okay to have your money stopped and then have to be supported by a partner who could be on minimum wage? Which in turn forces the partner to give up work because it wouldn't be a viable option to live on.

That is one reason why I and others have moaned in this thread, the reform isn't thought out and they won't listen to anyone either.

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Well apart from a very small minority this isn't the case for most child benefit claimants. The cost of raising a child is more than the benefit brings in so apart from parents who must be neglecting their child to a standard that borders on abuse it isn't a ways to bring in money.

My feeling on benefits is that they're needed and we need to make sure it's affordable for the state. I have never claimed these kinds of benefits although I have used other aspects of the state, education, healthcare, police, roads and so on. Incidentally this is why I think tax avoiders are immoral, we all take from the state.

The thing is the difference between me paying tax or claiming benefit is partly luck. There are some people who could work and not claim benefit as they prefer an 'easy' life. However there are a greater number of claimants who need it. I am (currently) in good health and I had a comfortable upbringing that allowed me to get a relatively good education. These are significant advantages. I could just have easily been born with, or developed, or go on to develop disabilities that stop me working. I could also just have easily been born into an environment where it would have been harder to get a good education or go to University.

So it's best not to make sweeping statements about people in recipient of welfare and it's worthwhile remembering that you don't know the situation of each of them. It could just have easily been you, or could be yet, who needs this help.

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Summed up perfectly.:tu:

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Very strange comment to make so someone who loses there job has 4 kids should do what go murder them or send out in foster homes. Very few people take this lifestyle choice dont believe the propaganda peddled.

You really think people deliberately got themselves disabled, unemployed or in minimum wage. There maybe is small section who use the system to get jsa and supliment it from illegal activities like drug selling. Tiny majority the stats from even DWP say disabilty only 0.5% fraud rate. However you cant generalise like you doing.

Neither should government.

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It's not OK and HMG doesn't think it is but the reality is that cracking down on the likes of the Philpotts is virtually impossible because of the children involved, who've done nothing wrong. If HMG did decide to crack down on them and children were seen to suffer as a result they'd be roundly condemned for doing so. They're still being condemned about school milk FGS. Children have become the ultimate bargaining chip and without a radical rethink of what people like to see as their 'freedoms' that will not change. I dare say any government would just love to find a way to ensure that parenthood is universally treated with the respect and forethought that it deserves.

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Some interesting thoughts on the issue from Dan Hannan in the Telegraph:

It's worth reading the whole thing.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...ng-people-win/

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I see the only way to change it is to make a law change from now, existing families will have to be exempt. Not ideal but then the choice is there.

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I think you need to work out what CB, child tax credits* and all the child associated benefits (e.g housing) and services add up to and then consider that people, like the Philpotts aren't spending all that money etc. on their children.

I haven't made any sweeping generalisations. I've referred to the likes of Philpott and his ilk specifically because they're the ones who abuse the situation. That isn't the same thing as saying and isn't even implying that everyone who receives child related benefits does so. As a father of two I'd hardly do that would I.

* These can vary massively where household income is low and more so if there is a disability amongst any of the children at which point DLA for example can also be a major factor in unlocking numerous other child related benefits.

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That last part wasn't directed at you, only the first paragraph. You might be right that this guy was raking in the income but from the reports I've read, I've been in France with limited access to the net until today, paint a picture of a very disturbed man. I think cases like this are very rare.

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It's not ,well it would be possible buying food only but it would be a crap existence and you wouldn't starve, so it's a good job the government doesn't expect people to live on that .




He most certainly was unchecked .He was allowed to stael the childrens money and his wife and girlfriends wages from the cleaning jobs they had ,every penny that was coming into that house went into his bank account .He was allowed to move his girlfriend and their kids into a house where he lived with his wife and their kids simply to increase the benefit income to the house .How on earth that wasn't against DWP rules i don't know

No ,that's why the universal credit complete with benefit cap is being introduced .

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I presumed it also had to cover bills and such?

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it does

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Cases of this scale are rare but, sadly, cases of silly, naive and/or selfish people issuing children as if they're items of convenience aren't so rare. To prevent the extremes like Philpott, we first need to tackle the way in which having children is perceived, valued, rewarded and even restricted but that's a massive undertaking and could involve the loss of freedoms most of us value.

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Apparently not ,his bills and other expenses where covered by his wage from his market stall, rent ,council tax was payed or mostly paid and he was in receipt of working tax credit ,basically he said he had
£53 per week to buy food which has turned out to be a load of fictitious tosh

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-per-week.html

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It does not

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Not this guy, after all the policy hadn't come into effect. I mean generally, the idea is that this is the normal benefit aside from housing benefit and any additional disability allowance or child benefits. Which would mean the £56 is for bills, travel, food, drink and any other expense apart from housing.

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Are we talking about the same thing ?

I am talking about David Bennet who challenged to IDS to live on the same income (£53pw) as he does .It turns out that Bennet does not live on £53 pw his net income is £53 pw that is after bills ,his gambling and blowing his inheritance on the gee gees

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Yes but other than this guy, who earns additional money on the side, people will need to live on £53 a week excluding housing costs and council bills. I am talking about if someone can live on £53 a week, realistically.

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oh i'm sure some will ,in fact i'm dam sure i've been close to that myself .

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Sorry missed your edit

As long as bills like housing and CT are paid and all you have to buy is food then yes ,like i said it would be a crap existence but you would not starve .£20-25 pw and a trip to farmfoods will feed a single person for a week

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Interesting. on a scale of 1 to 10 how close to death were you?

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20% council tax payable now by those on benefits. Gas Electric Water TV licence internet to look for work bus fairs to and from the job centre you will be luck to have much more than a tenner.When I refer to the £53 a week I refer to IDS claim not the joker

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In IDS claims it does

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Sounds like a life support thing. as long as you're still breathing and have a pulse. that's all that matters :)

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For anyone prepared to cook food themselves that sort of money could properly feed a person for a week using stuff like potatoes, pasta, rice, fresh/frozen vegetables, chicken, cheap mince (horse styleee :) ) oats, tinned fish, cheese, eggs milk etc.
Certain convenience foods, branded goods, red meats, takeaways etc. tend to be much more expensive and therein lies part of the problem - many people seem unable or unwilling to prepare simple healthy food for themselves.

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how much are you talking about?

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£50

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Well you can buy a loaf of bread for 50p. but it won't be as fresh as it should be after a couple of days so you'd have to buy another one.
and then there's way too much bread to eat. so you probably wouldn't want to eat anything else if you had to eat all the bread.

which means you wouldn't be hungry enough to eat the 'healthy and vitamin rich' foods.
saying that you can buy a bottle of vitamins.

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Are we stealing the gas and leccy?

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If I had £53 a week to feed off yes I concede that can be done quite easily but when IDS made his claim he stated live off not just feed himself off they are 2 different things afterall no one knew what this guy got till well after IDS made his claim

JSA claimants have to manage on £70 now none of them are likely to have a spare room so unlikely to fall foul of bedroom tax however those who live away from home will fall foul of the new council tax rules leaving them on around £67 a week this to me is around the bare minimum you can run a bedsit off and eat when you include utilities and internet or daily travel to job centres and libraries

I worked it out yesterday on £53 a week I would be able to pay my way if I lived in a bedsit and buy 2 loaves of bread 2 bottles of milk and a few tins of beans for the week

If I lived in this house I would be £20 in debt every week

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I was just addressing the food bit, not what IDS said or meant by it. Clearly if your bills etc. also come out of that sum then you're not going to be adding to the burden on the state through obesity. ;)

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But is that healthy and good for you?
it's not as if were in the 40's and waiting till the war's over or anything. we're in 21st century Britain.

it shouldn't be where we're just about surviving and registering a pulse.
that's in the very poor countries that we raise millions of pounds for every year. isn't it?

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no

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Let's not forget in all of this that IDS did not stand up and make a claim about anything. He was ambushed by someone who was pretty soon afterwards discovered to be lying.

He answered a direct question and said "If I had to, I could". Within that short sentence there is room for endless interpretation, and it seems to me that a lot of people are interpreting it a little generously, making very long lists of 'essentials' and then proving with paper and pencil that you can't live that list of 'essentials' on £53.

A fairer way of looking at it would be to see IDS affirming he would be able to cope on equal terms with the man in question (terms which, as we now know, are a little less straitened than £53). Or, better still, you could take his words at naked face value. Yes, you *could* live on £53 for a week, if you *had* to, because if you *had* to, then you would simply prioritise what you need to stay alive and buy that first. Everything else, even some of the things you might class as 'essential' such as internet access, become extras that you may or may not be able to afford.

I have no doubt that someone as intelligent and resourceful as IDS, especially with his military training, *could* live on £53 if he *had* to.

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Incidentally, I've been going back over our online grocery receipts (as we get everything delivered) and a fair estimate of our average weekly grocery bill, ie. all our eating and cleaning, is somewhere between £80 and £90 for a family of five.

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Well he is the one who is advocating this new rate. It doesn't matter if the person asking if IDS could live on £53 a week is lying about how much he personally lives on as he isn't the one advocating that people do it.

But he is not arguing people should live on £53 a week plus additional cash on the side. He is saying £53 a week excluding other benefits that do not include energy or heating costs (as far as I am aware).

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As far as i'm concerned the argument always goes back to the original intent of the benefits system imo .People should get what they need not what they want and that argument should be just as valid in 2013 as it was in 1940

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Again this further convinces me that cooking should be a core subject at school from year 7 until you leave. The Government loves the idea of everyone learning to program at school but surely cooking is far more beneficial. Nowhere near everyone needs to know how to program but nearly everyone would benefit from being able to cook.

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putting aside the blokes gambling the bloke was saying he had £53 left after he had payed utility bills ,rent and council tax they do not come out of his £53 .So basically the only thing the bloke had to pay for to 'live' was food and he had £53 pw with which to do that

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agree 100% with that :tu:

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So true. Being a food lover and very keen cook I've been teaching my eldest how to prepare food, cook and combine flavours etc. It really isn't difficult but I can't think of a single one of his mates (male or female) who knows or wants to know how to cook. Even in these inflationary times, a little common sense and imagination can turn relatively cheap ingredients into really good, tasty food far cheaper and more healthy than the ready meals, processed foods and takeaways so many people seem to live on these days.

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Yes it is indeed shocking how many people can't cook and you only have to pass these takeaways to see the queues of people outside buying their main meal of the day.:(

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Once again, where children have been brought up by people who can't/won't cook, it's no surprise that they grow up thinking it's normal to eat junk food. Maybe that's one reason why many people say they're short of money - just check out what they have in their supermarket trollies and the amount of takeways they have.

The other day I used some carrots, celery, onions, salt, pepper, water and a turkey carcass to make large saucepan of stock. Had I decided to leave the vegetables in it and added some dried pasta, rice or similar to it it would have made a lovely healthy soup for 4 adults for about a quid. It isn't rocket science.

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no this is the way that agrees with you it is only fairer for you and those who agree with you but nice try :)

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I agree with this 100 %

When you get any form of benefit award you get a sheet of paper stating "the minimum amount of money you need to live on" this figure has come from the government . So the council benefit cuts come on top of this so what you get in effect is the minimum amount of money you need minus the cash you lose to the council making the money you get less than what the government say you need. These figures have stayed the same ie not increase for inflation they have not been dropped by the government so people are now getting less than the government say they need

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How the hell is not fair .You and others maintain that IDS and his ilk cannot and would not survive on the money benefits give people ,so to prove the point put IDS on exactly the same money as a bloke in a bedsit on the dole what can possibly be unfair about that and how can you possibly disagree with it after everything you have had to say on the subject.

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but that is not what he said

you are saying something different to Chris

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sorry but I missed this bit .I would steal I would not go cold or without electric I would get extra cash another way as a lot would

bare in mind Chris if you can not do what the DWP say they will take that money off you

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OK then ,put IDS on equal terms as the bloke, still fair and still something you cannot argue with given everything you have said .

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yes I can because that is not what IDS said. I would back him seeing how hard it is on JSA though as a compromise I know he could do it but it would still be a shock

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I reckon I could live on that for at least around 3 weeks quite easily.

If I was going back to my millions straight after that is. So any 'test' he does would be pointless.

I'm also sure he knows full well how difficult it is to live on £53 a week, but I don't think he gives a poop.

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No ,it's what some of the correspondence says ,it depends on the benefit and the actual wording is (and it is very important) "The law states this is the minimum amount you need to live on" .The wording is important because the law changes every year when inflation is taken into account .In all cases and all benefits the money is given and the recipient is free to dispose of it how they see fit if they choose to have a few cans once a week then that is up to them but that is not included in what the law says you need to live on .Simply put what the law says you need to live on is exactly what you get


JSA wording is different because by law the claimant has obligations it reads

"by income based job seekers allowance we mean the money you can get based on how much the law says you are allowed based on your means"

The devil is in the detail

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...xuD5kPx7QBTIEA

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LOL no you can't and you know you can't .you have completely back tracked on your reply to Chris .

You know perfectly well that IDS or anyone would be able to live on the same money that bloke has because thousands do it every single day and they will continue to do it ,not easily i accept ,but they will do it

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What do we mean by 'do it' exactly?

if you can't 'do it' what is supposed to happen?
are you supposed to die?

of course people can do it. some have no choice.
you might get ill. you may end up in hospital, you might be made homeless. but you can do it.

unless you die from doing it. then you have done it.

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Totally agreed,I'd go so far as to say being able to cook is the biggest cost-saver there can be in a household.... cooking from scratch isn't expensive at all.The cost of one Takeaway can feed one person for 3 days easy,if not 4.

Unless you're getting some Indian,then you could feed yourself for a week! :p: :D

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petition for the resignation of David Cameron and George Osbourne. :D

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Load of Rubbish.... they don't speak for the whole country.It's also funny how those who contribute least to society are those who scream the loudest for money they don't have to earn. ;)

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If you're going to complain that your intelligence is being insulted Mr Bateman, please:

1. Learn to spell the name of the person you're complaining about. It's O S B O R N E.
2. Learn to use grammar correctly. The Government is a singular, not a plural. It is an it, not a they; also, you are expected, not be expected. Unless you're a pirate, in which case you be correct after all. Arr.

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So let me get this right, Labour spent 13 years in power virtually bankrupting the country whilst blaming the Tories (and even Thatcher) to one extent or another and this guy thinks that after 2-3 years in office the current govt. should be held responsible for not sorting it all out? I dare say he doesn't even acknowledge that SameOldLabour did anything wrong. Is he related to Arthur by any chance? The fact that these people still can't see the scale of the mess we're in truly baffles me.

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lol yes I can because I got freedom of choice please do not tell me what I can and can not do you do not have that power although you seem to think you do.

I have not back tracked I have made a compromise perhaps you should try it sometime

IDS made his claim based on £53 per week that is fact and you know it is all the rest is semantics

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Calm down Chris.
as long as he gets his message across. we don't care about the spelling and grammer.

I trust you signed?
everybody else is :)

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Really? I've always used it as a plural. It's a collection of people and departments. I thought it was like a team where we traditionally refer to them as a plural (Arsenal are) whereas it's more American to refer to them as a singular (Arsenal is).

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Yet those who guilty dont seem to being punished for this fiasco of out of control banking practises. The ones punished by this coalition those who innocent.

Crazy drugged up policies like bedroom tax rather just get councils build 2/3 bedroom properties or partnership building programme where private/councils share profits.

Always hurt the end user than solving the solution. With short term kneejerk policies that dont solve anything.

96% apparantly cant move due to so few nationally 1 bedrooms places. Whats left usually high rise flats that government looking to knockdown in the towns as there ending there lifespan. Some towns already have. Why build 1 bedroom properties anyway if they got green light. They give little scope for a person to move on in life get married have a family. Realistically we should just build 2+ bedroom properties. If we cap rental to X amount minimum wage we then have years and years sustainable rental properties.

Hopefully drag the private rental down to sustainable level.

On the economy Like always said labour there was mistakes one worst was deregulation off banks. They did not bankrupt nation. Bankers real blame with there insashable greed. We should never bailed them out I feel took the hit. then labour been accused not protecting the investors/savers.

How many times does people need to post that debt shot up AFTER 2008. Rightly or wrongly they tried to protect UK from very bad impact from usa useless sub prime fiasco that collapsed the banking system. Yet those parasite never got jailed. Coalition still protecting banking system today with policies which not good long term like the one trying keep housing bubble going. Creating even more corporate welfare too which adds to debt.

What happened in USA caused world panic deep recession which brown and darling shielded us from. UK suffered less than others. Historically this nations debt been much higher even under thatcher government. What is biggest and by far issue is PRIVATE DEBT. Our private debt thats mortages, student loans, credit cards, corporate Debt, corporate loans, leveraged buyouts. This biggest issue yet we still making policies under coalition to INCREASE private debt which MADNESS. We need to bring Banks under Strict regulations and stop loaning to those high risks but nope coalition brought in idea help support risky mortages.

Its remarkable we not worse mess with the way coalition handling things currently. Most there policies not touching the debt but ideolgy driven mantra.

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Conversationally, you often hear corporate entities referred to as plural, but the correct usage is singular. A corporate entity is a singular thing, even if it comprises more than one person.

The petitioner has set out text which he intended to be taken as a formal proposition (the resignation of the PM and his Chancellor) and his sentence construction attempts to reflect that formal tone. Under those circumstances, especially as he complains about having his intelligence insulted, correct spelling and grammar shouldn't be too much to ask.

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Off topic comments removed. Please don't try to play the rules, it won't end well.

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I wonder if this guy ever petitioned for Blair and Brown to resign in respect of all the lies, spin, sleaze, negligence, ineptitude and cronyism they presided over. :rolleyes:

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At this time, 27,352 people have signed it - that is approx 0.0434% of the 63,200,000 people who live in the UK, or 1 person in 2303.

New definition of 'everybody else' I hadn't come across before....;)

btw, I wonder if this is the same Philip Bateman who started the petition - philbateman.com.

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I won't be signing it.

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Don't worry, I'll be signing it on your behalf. ;)

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Good for you, hope it makes you feel better. ;)