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I don't imagine he's ever going to tell them what he did with her. That information is his only worldly possession now, he will hang on to it.

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I hope it does, i am sure there will be a few inmates in that jail would love to get there hands on a child killer.

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I went onto Wikipedia to see about Ian Huntley as I thought someone that killed him in prison but apparently he is still alive.

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Not wanting to detract from the tragedy of this case but I wonder what would happen if a jury in such a trial made an instant decision. Might this not be grounds for some sort of appeal on the basis that the jury y may not have given the matter due consideration (i.e. possibly already made their minds up before the judge's summing up)?

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No, "the jury was wrong" isn't valid grounds for appeal. An appeal has to be based on new evidence or a claim that proper processes weren't followed in the original trial. The nearest you could get would be to claim the judge didn't direct the jury sufficiently well.

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Interesting. So could a jury, in a highly complex trial, simply make a virtually instant decision with no apparent thought or debate and this decision be binding nonetheless?

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Yep. I know of one case very recently where the jury made a very, very quick decision on what should have been a 'slam dunk' case and someone walked away from a murder charge.

Their decision is final even if it flies in the face of common sense and the evidence presented. The only comeback is of new evidence comes to light later on.

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Obviously without giving any details of the case or those involved, do you believe this person was guilty?

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Oh yes. Absolutely 100%. He even offered to plead guilty to culpable homicide (Scottish version of manslaughter) but this rejected as there was such a strong case for murder.

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That sounds like someone, CPS maybe, messed up.

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Maybe this should be in another thread, but what I'm getting at is not a case in which there's little or no doubt about guilt. I suppose I'm just wondering what would happen if a jury decided, at the end of a really complex trial which would normally be expected to result in days or even weeks of deliberation, decided to save themselves the bother by just immediately agreeing on a verdict. Who, if anyone's, job would it be to determine if the jury has taken their job seriously?

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That's because he is in solitary or guarded most of the day. You can bet that if the others get hold of him he would be a dead man

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That would be the Procurator Fiscal's office, have you never watched Taggart? :p:

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Nobody's. What goes on jury, stays on jury, so to speak. A properly directed jury can do no wrong. That is an ancient principle. As the jury can do no wrong, there is no need for oversight.

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Thanks for clarifying. :tu:

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crazy but is it shocking reading that a murder and rapist took charge

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I wish we could forget him and let the family have some peace from all the news headlines.:erm:

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Sadly he's determined to get his moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25400894

Well if he reveals what he did with the body maybe he should get his appeal.

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Apparently this sort of thing is common in cases where prisoners realise they'll likely/definitely never be released. Something of a "I have nothing to lose attitude" supposedly.

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More of a "I have everything to gain attitude" by greedy lawyers.

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What a douche

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-33978307

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So the sign is in the same town as where it happened.

so the 'joke' is "if you buy and eat loads of my cake. kidnappers won't want to kidnap you like they did to that womans little girl over there. because you'll be too fat to carry away!"
and then you laugh and order 2 big pieces and say "I'll get fat then. don't want to be picked up and carried away like your daughter was, do I!" and then everyone laughs again.

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I don't see much evidence that they intend to invoke the April Jones case. Seems like it was meant to be a harmless joke and the context in which it would be perceived didn't occur to them?

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Well they know better now..personally I think it would have been in bad taste anywhere in the UK.