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The BBC pulled the last episode of 'Good Cop' because it was felt to be insensitive in the light of recent events.

With this in mind, i'm surprised that they showed todays episode of 'Doctors'.

Just watched my recording and part of the storyline was about a man groping and trying to have sex with a 15 year old girl :shocked:

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They never pulled anything when my nan died.

Did he resemble Jimmy Saville?

Maybe they didn't want to be seen as being over sensitive. and that they are still capable of overlooking things right under their noses.

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If post 202 was about who I think it was, a judge has refused his request to gag people via an injunction according to The Sun website.

Not sure if the news has come too late to make it in this mornings papers or not...

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Um, all I did was post a Guardian article that stated the injunction had been lifted on him. Was it not adding to the discussion? I mean, it will be in all the papers and on media sites today anyway?

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It wasn't adding to the discussion because there isn't any link to Jimmy Savile.

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That wasnt all you did though - you posted the link in a thread about Jimmy Savile and his alleged activities, thereby creating a link between Savile and that other person. That is extremely libellous. Please note that while the newspapers have managed to get an injunction lifted, none of them has yet published anything contentious. Unless and until they do, this website is certainly not going to "break" a story that could land us in court. And we appreciate your assistance in not repeating any libellous statements in your posts.

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However the chap took out the injunction because of claims he was the third man which he is denying. He is the one talking about jimmy saville..

However, I can see where you guys are coming from !

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I just watched the documentary - it certainly made interesting viewing.

It was interesting to hear Natalie's (she watched it with me) view as she'd never heard of him before.

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Blimey she must be young. :D (JOKE) !!!

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Young and from a different country ;) :)

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She must have heard of Gary Glitter, then. (ANOTHER JOKE) !!!

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Presumably then, the fact that two national newspapers have printed that he's denied the claim means we can discuss it?

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If it's now 'out there' and those papers are prepared to defend it, that does take the heat off us somewhat. PM me a link - the thing that we need to be careful of here is the temptation to link any living person with actions similar to those apparently committed by Jimmy Savile. A lot of people seem confused on this point; so far the only newspaper reports I have seen have stated that an injunction about a potentially libellous report has been lifted, without actually saying what that libellous report might have been.

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PM sent. The two sources linked are quite specific. One has the person denying the claim. The other has the (lifting of) the injunction specifically lnked to the allegation. I suspect there will be more before the day is out.

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...sing-room.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-third-1361473

Here are a couple of links for discussion. Please note that this is not an invitation for lurid speculation that goes even an inch beyond the very specific allegations that have been made in court because only what was precisely described in court is privileged information for which we can't be pursued for libel. Play nicely, folks.

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Pity they aren't on the 'approved list' :erm: ;)

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Poor Freddie.

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Is this a good time to mention hamsters?

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Freddie ate my porridge :)

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Joking aside, it's probably worth bearing in mind that the allegations against Freddie aren't that serious. Certainly not on a par with what's levelled against Savile and Glitter.

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Well then let it go to court, let the CPS bild a case against Glitter and Starr and arrest them.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...zannah%2BHills

Mail now reporting more than 40 woman and a man now claiming to have been abused. That's quite extraordinary for so many people to have been abused, with Savile still managing to bury it and avoid prosecution.

A single abuse allegation managed to bring down the mighty King of Pop (his reputation never recovered), I don't see why the UK is or would be any different.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything (they are the ones making the claim, not me) but I'm curious as to how many of these accusers would agree to a polygraph.

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I would class that as beyond the realms of credulity

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was it just me - or was anyone else left feeling sickened at the way Janet Street Porter (on question time last night) effectively absolved herself of any guilt through inaction simply by saying "I worked in a male dominated environment, and no body would have listened" - she seemed to have a lot of details about what was going on where - and she's kept quiet all this time?

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Again, it's not that different from what we've seen in the Catholic Church. Perhaps Savile wasn't as much of an authority, but he was a very famous and influential person.

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There are allegations that there were.

She has said the same thing on Loose Women.

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What most of them are saying in a round about way is that apart from it went on, but it was acceptable within the BBC at that time.
the rest about not being able to say something is after the fact.

I'd guess we're going to be doing a BBC celebrity jigsaw puzzle soon.
more is going to be uncovered soon.

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Firstly let me say something, this thread is a serious discussion on a well known personalty who is 'accused' of seriously sexual assault on males and females.

Its is NOT a joking matter, like 'starr ate my hamster'.

Jim Saville, if true was a sick man along with Gary Glitter who vialtaed children who were vulnerable, and this goes on today, It is no good big stars going on telly saying that they would keep there 'mouth shut' Paul Gambechini should be totally ashamed of himself, that if he KNEW what was happening - he should have gone to the the police.

It totally angers me that here we have a deceased star who commited these crimes, yes he cannot be punished now, BUT Gary Glitter can be arrested for these crimes if he was with Saville, but these people tend to keep there feelings to themself.

I strongly believe that IF people know this is happening, then they should go straight to the police.

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For those who missed it, it's here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KDSji5BlWs

I'm sure most if not all of us will or already agree with the points raised by the audience members at the end.
These so-called celebs jumping on the "we knew all along" bandwagon really don't seem to realise the fools they're making of themselves.

Just goes to show how high the intellectual bar really is (or isn't) when it comes to qualifying as a media personality, it seems any pretty face with a big gob will do.

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I'm almost afraid to say it, but I agree with you Arthur - all the people that ignored it, should be ashamed of themselves - by keeping silent they condoned the behavior. Perhaps once we've finished investigating the news papers maybe we should investigate the conspiracy of silence that seems to exist within tv media.

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I also thought it was funny that Susan Kramer kept referring to them as 'CBR' rather than 'CRB'....

I love the way all these plebrities (see what I did there?) come out of the woodwork saying they knew all along.

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lol.
Mind you, though on CF I like to think of us as ePlebs™.

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When you look at it over a period of perhaps at least 20 years, is it such a ridiculous number? Bear in mind he spent many nights at a school full of young girls.

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She also said that as an executive producer, she got rid of 2 people because of allegations made against them. I wonder if she told them why, or did she make up a spurious reason. Without actually witnessing acts yourself, how much can you do in that situation.

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I think Janet street porter is making a few assumptions to cover up her own inadequacies .She is assuming that no body would believe her ,and given the amount of people 'rumored' to have been molested at the time she is assuming that none would have come forward and backed her up

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Makes it even more ridiculous .Look at how perceptions changed from the sixties, seventies and early eighties with women becoming more independent and free thinking ,at least one of them would have made an allegation and pursued it in the name of womens rights

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It's easy to know those assumptions are wrong after the fact though isn't it? How confident would you be to come forward and reveal the 'rumours' you've heard about the figure who is greatly admired by the public?

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I suspect there will more more alleged abuses in the days ahead, and to think that Savile had managed to keep this under wraps right up until nearly a year after his own death. Decades of abuse and no prosecution despite many dozens of abuse victims. That's some conspiracy of silence.
Granted, it seems evident that many celebs "knew all along", but I never heard of this until earlier this year.
Now, if Savile could manage that conspiracy, just imagine the kind of conspiracy an organisation like NASA could pull off? :tiptoe:
Especially considering how there's been rumours for years. :D

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I am sympathetic to the comment about 60s, 70s and 80s was a different time. Things happening then would never happen now

But, for it never to come out, that is different.

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Colin25, abusiveness goes on in todays society, you have vulnerable kids out there, and even adults out there that get 'attacked' by these sicko's buts it is something that people don't come out with.

As l have said in an earlier comment, it happened to me and that was when l was 12 / 13 and it happened within the church. But no one wanted to know as they felt it was kids causing trouble. There used to be a cinema in Hammersmith that was known locally as @@@@paradise, as that is where they all went, and as l said 'it' was called a different name then. And what used to happen children would be followed home and the 'victim' would be hit in a secluded part of Hammersmith and bang.

There was a certain part of Hammersomith Bridge, that kids would go and no one could see the other side of the birdge.

I would urge anyone that 'If' they think something like that is happening go to the police or call crimestoppers or even NSPCC. As l have this does go on each day, it is that victim is too scared and embarrased to tell anyone.

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depends how look at it .She is saying now that she didn't come forward because no one would have believed her in a *"male dominated industry"* maybe she didn't come forward at the time because it either didn't happen or it did and she didn't care enough because she was concentrating on building her own career


* i think that's a load of hogswash ,nothing stopping her or others in the industry revealing the truth as they saw it later on when their careers where established and it wasn't so male dominated

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What proof would she have had? You can't come out and label someone a child abuser without evidence, especially not someone as popular as Savile was. People are equating rumour with 'knowing' it happened. What do you say?

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Presumably the same proof she has now and she and others have no problem labeling him a child abuser based on rumor .

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I suppose somebody could have raised their concerns with senior management and they could have looked into it and/or be more alert to potential situations. They could have restricted access to the younger fans, made sure there was always somebody else around, made frequent checks on his dressing room. That wouldn't have stopped things happening elsewhere, but would have been a start.

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+ there's nothing stopping her from not benefiting from his abuse and her inaction by charging for appearences to chat about it.

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Someone's posted a youtube video entitled "The Hypocrisy of Esther Rantzen".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTnLgx7VsRg

Some fair points raised imo.

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What we're starting to see now is just another good old fashioned British paedophille witch hunt, this time conducted by proxy because the apparent perpetrator isn't available to be run out of town in person.

Paediatricians had better board up their windows.

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Can't say I approve, but keep up the good work.

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It is now at a point where only one truth exists there is nothing else he was this evil predatory paedophile and thats it it cannot be undone now and if the met investigation comes out the same as THREE previous investigations those convinced of his guilt will shout cover up. I am completely supportive of any victim of abuse until a few years ago i worked with a very good VSG dealing with it on a daily basis and there are many aspects of this that are just not sitting right with me at the minute. But as i said it''s all irrelevent now his name is mud his work is now being represented as a means to get closer to kids and there is nothing thqat can remove this stain.

This whole episode for me has shown how low this country has sunk in it's attitudes towards justice and fairness and has me very worried for the future about how accused people will be treated. We need to remember that for every genuine abuse victim there is one that claims it and it never happened to them same as rape so many false allegations that do great damage to innocent people that cannot be taKen back once the real truth is out.

As for all the celebs who "knew" sorry but if i even think someone is abusing a child in anyway even now i have words with that person and if i think there is something to it my next stop is a phone and 999 i cannot comprehend the lowlife that truly believes children are being abused and does nothing but gossip in the office.

Also the power jimmy saville had and none of us knew how powerful he was media that was scared to break a career making story, celebs with careerrs to build that said nothing and i have seen it said even the THREE police forces that launched investigations were pressured by jimmy saaville. I mean please he was a tv presenter no matter how popular and powerrful he might have been within the bbc to ask me to believe that power extended out to all media and the police sorry asking a bit too much from me. As fo the police having dealt with them in variouus capacities over the years i can categorically state that anytime they launched an investigaation into child abuse very commited officers who didn't stop till the truth was found were involved i cannot believe that three forces didn't have one officer that would go the distance.

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...screaming "Bring back hanging!!!".

Although the Beeb is asking people to come forward with information I can't help thinking there will be a prevailing attitude of "It happened long ago, he's dead, nothing can be done about it now" amongst them which will keep people quiet.

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It's not a bad attitude m8 at all sadly it is now the sensible aattitude to have because we have far too many people looking for something to have a go at people for. My graandfather always used to say that the generations that came after were always smarrter then the ones before but i don't think that is true now we have a culture of instant gratification and it seems there are a growing number of people that would like that instant element applying to everything it's one of the reasons why i worry about the future.

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No. All these people are coming out under the cover of the ITV Documentary with the alleged victims. Louis Theroux made it clear as one of the few to go near the allegations whilst he was alive, that he heard the rumours and brought them up to Savile in a documentary. He wasn't convinced by Savile's response but had pushed it as far as he could without evidence.

You need evidence, concrete evidence, if you're going to label a famous television personality as paedophille.

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pedofile

lol

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So we shouldn't follow it up because the accused is dead and the victims might be lying? It seems unlikely that all these alleged victims are making it up but leaving that aside I don't see how it's unacceptable to suggest he may have been a child abuse but it's perfectly fine to infer that these women are making it up.

How would they conversation go? What would they say to the police? I have heard a rumor that Jimmy Savile is a child abuser? Only one of these celebs has come forward with anything that would count as evidence and that is Coleen Nolan and even then it's hardly substantial. Every one of these people have circumstantial evidence at best.

Now I don't know if he is guilty or not but there is more than enough testimonies from alleged victims to investigate it.

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i know, that is basically what i have been saying all through the thread ,and as far as i have seen there have been no times dates or any sort of proof whatsoever

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Testimony from victims counts as proof, especially multiple victims whose stories aren't coordinated.

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Martyh, People that are abused are 'frightened, ashamed and terrified' at what will happen to them if they came out and said what happened by a big major star.

Just watched a former pop star on the news saying that he felt that 'there was something fishy' when he spoke with Saville and there were young girls about.

What you have to realise is the fact - if he was an abuser, he should be stripped of his title, and if they others involved and l know from the news that Gary Glitter was involved then they should all be arrested and feel the full might of the law.

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20 or so people saying "i was abused" hardly counts as any kind as proof

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Well I am pretty sure it does. Normally a jury would decide if they believe the testimony of the accusers. 20 people, most of not all unrelated, would be pretty damning unless the defence managed to discredit their testimony.

A lot of sexual abuses cases have testimony from the alleged victims as evidence. It's hard to obtain any other form of evidence really, especially for historical allegations but people still get convicted.

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I don't want to believe it either Marty. but there are times in ones life when accepting something instead of coming up with excuses to distract from the truth is just too painful to bare :)

And if your daughter was number 11. would you want proof?

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could someone tell me when our justice system relied on hearsay and rumor please

I am perfectly willing to accept that he did it when their is proof but the unverifiable accusations of 20 people is no where near enough for me or any jury

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no i wouldn't want it ,however i would need it .

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And if she couldn't give it?

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First hand accounts are NOT rumour and hearsay. Almost all abuse and rape and even many other types of crimes are based on 'unverifiable accusations'. What do you expect? Hidden camera footage? If I report a burglary, how can I prove I haven't done it myself for the insurance?:rolleyes:

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My god are you lot taking the pee , have you not ever heard of evidence we do not and never have relied only on "i say he raped me" we insist on verifiable evidence .In this case it would rely on dates and times that could be verified or witness evidence from someone not connected that saw him do what he is accused of .In your example the police would want fingerprints or other physical evidence they would not rely on your word the same as they do not rely on the word of a rape victim

Thank god you lot aren't in charge of justice in this country:rolleyes:

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How would dates and times being verified, prove anything one way or another. Even DNA evidence is not definitive proof because it doesn't show context. If a criminal wore gloves and left behind no DNA, would that mean that no crime had taken place?:rolleyes: How many abuse and rape convictions have(and could have) verifiable evidence?

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Not only paediatricians, just heard Jimmy somerviles had the snot kicked out of him... :D

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Ermm.. will a mod change my user name please! :erm:

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How can you effectively prosecute abuse cases then? DNA doesn't last a long time and fingerprints don't really prove anything. Witnesses are rare since the abuser is unlikely to do it in such circumstances.

This is the justice system anyway. The victim's testimony is evidence and the question is if it's reliable or not, if there are many of them and they are dependable then that can be used in court and the jury can decide.

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If I understand the law correctly (and I usually don't...) then one person making an allegation is not, in itself, classed as 'evidence'. If gets reported to the authorities then the police will decide if it's evidence worth investigating.

Obviously if a number of people (preferably unconnected) come forward to make similar allegations then that can strengthen the potential of this 'evidence'.

Although what defines as 'evidence' is subjective. Are we talking in the eyes of the law, morally or what the public calls 'evidence'?

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The law.

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In which case if the police/CPS don't class it as evidence (or 'strong enough' evidence) then that's how I'd view it but again, it's subjective to the individual.

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It is evidence, when people testify they are giving evidence. It's up to the defence to cast doubt upon the evidence and the Jury to decide if it's enough. The Jury might decide they are a unreliable witness or not.

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OK granted but if I went to my local police station and claimed I witnessed a BBC presenter hoovering up some showbiz sherbet but couldn't prove I was ever anywhere near where I claimed it happened then the police are unlikely to consider it worthy or usable evidence.

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True but here we have multiple accounts and we'll see if these people can prove they were there. I mean it all comes down to how reliable the accuser's testimony

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Had they been a certain person would have arrived in the USA on day one :)

That aside I can't see it going anywhere due to the fact the would be defendant is no more he is a dead Pearson pushing up the Daisies :)

It's just a fact people in the 50s 60s and 70s just felt they could getaway with being a perv.

Like I said before there are quite a few adults who had been in the care of Dr Barnardo's who were raped and abused and have found the strength to come forward only to be told the perpetrator is dead so no action can be taken.

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That's what I mean, it will depend on the police and CPS if what they say can be considered to be good enough evidence to be presented to a court. On one end of the scale it might be as weak as 10 armchair experts saying they have proof or as strong as 5 genuine victims in possession of CCTV and a written confession.

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Anyway we'll see. The police are investigating as are the BBC.

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Didn't someone overhear somebody say in a pub that they were a paediatrician, so they and a load of thick pedo haters attacked his house?

Exactly, so don't suggest I am wrong for not going to the police :rolleyes:

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I believe a paediatrician had their house front vandalised after the News of the World, under the editorship of Rebecca Brooks, ran its infamous name-and-shame campaign.

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So you don't know that the 49 year old likes underage girls, you only think he does.

If you'd said that in the first place then I wouldn't have said anything.

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They would help corroborate the statements that Saville abused them .If the women can show they where in the same place as Saville at the same time then it would give some credence to their accusations .Merely stating that Saville abused them in a hotel room is not enough and nor should it ever be



That is the problem ,a lot of the time such cases rely on flimsy evidence ,not because the victim is lying but because proving anything is so hard

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And this is a good example of how using DNA is not the 'golden ticket' of getting convictions.

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You can't be convicted based on DNA alone iirc

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But, I do know that he likes underage girls, he is now living with the first underage one he went with (to my knowledge) who is now of legal age. There are other reasons which I do not wish to go into.

The rumour is concerning him going with another underage girl and you, rather crassly if I may say so, said that I was "assisting an offender" by not going to the police.

It might be worth contemplating for a bit before making such rash posts.

It should also be noted that it is not against the law to be a paedophile in itself. It is the act of sexual activity in front of/with a minor or possessing some types of child porn that is against the law.

Do you now understand what I was getting at by the term "guilty"? Stuart explained it far better than myself.

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Say whatever you want - if you know for certain he's "going with another underage girl" and are not doing anything about it then yes, I say you're helping him get away with it.

If you have no evidence then perpetuating a rumour that could see someone get in a lot of trouble unnecessarily is pretty crass in itself really.

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you are the one who keeps saying that you know he goes with under age girls ,if that is true then you know he is committing a crime ,you are helping him to commit a crime by your inaction

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Sandi Toksvig has just added to the list of people who have alleged misogyny at the BBC back then and that she heard the allegations against Saville as well. It definitely was an open secret that these suspicions were there.

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It beggars belief that all these celebrities knew or heard that this was going on over the YEARS and did NOTHING, but now when they can get a bit of free publicity they speak out :shocked:

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In fairness though misogyny is usually a far cry from the kind of things JS is accused of. I'm not defending it in any way but misogyny is and always has been rampant in parts of the media and broadcasting. Many people feel that on tv or radio a woman's job is purely to sit there and look/sound pretty. A good example is meteorologists. The males are 'Weathermen' whereas the females are 'Weathergirls'. The idea was if they're going to bring news of bad weather they'd either have a serious, professional male to get the point across or a pretty little woman so that the news doesn't seem so bad.

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Well she alleged a 'well-known' presenter groped her live on air, for some reason I didn't want to explicitly say it. :dunce:. Obviously more serious than misogyny. Although the latter does mean the former can exist unchecked.

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I don't think Sandi Toksvig counts as a celebrity who desires free publicity. She said she heard of the suspicions and allegations, a far cry from knowing it was going on.

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Maybe, but there are plenty on the free publicity route now. Lets see how many more show up over the next week for there free slice.

Don't get me wrong i am not supporting JS here and if all we have heard is true then he should have had his day in court, but what is bad is the way these celebrities are acting now :rolleyes:

If i knew something like this was going on i would speak out when i knew not years after, and after it could have allowed even more abuse to happen.

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Liz Kershaw on Savile and being groped at the BBC while live on air Link

A big can of worms have been opened.....:clap:

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Initially I dismissed their claims but what has convinced me is all the BBC people from that time who are now saying that there were always rumours about him.
eg: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...-fears-in-1973

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Brian Hitchen Wrote THE DISGUSTED CAPTAIN WHO THREW JIMMY SAVILE OFF A CRUISE SHIP.....

The rest of the story LINK

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That has to be the most poorly written pointless piece of drivel I've read in a long time. I'm not even sure it tries to make a point, other than the succinct summary of 'Jimmy Savile was not a nice man'. Well, guess what: We know that Jimmy Savile was not a nice man.

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Every single piece of "evidence" that has been given at the moment sounds to me like something you would hear in a small village in N Wales where there is an eccentric man who looks and acts a 'bit weird' ,people think he dresses funny ,eats cats and only comes out at night ,children ring his door bell for a dare and run away .Jimmy Savile may not have been a nice man ,he may have been eccentric and not everyone's cup of tea but when leveling accusations of pedophilia at him we need some proof not the story of a ship captain who wasn't even interviewed by Hitchen, and allegedly through him off because he had shifty eyes and refused to dress for dinner.

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What kind of proof would you like?

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How do you prove that a rape occurred decades ago? Bearing in mind that the only physical evidence would have decayed years ago, that these crimes often occurred with no witnesses and CCTV wasn't widely installed then.

Also, bear in mind that Jimmy, by his own admission, had friends in high places, and I suspect, would not have hesitated to use them.

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Very hard i know but saying a person is guilty does not make him guilty and untill one allegation against him is proven he will remain innocent ,you can think and suspect what you like about him but it amounts to didly squat if you can't prove it .Just because the man is dead and cannot appear in court doesn't mean the proof should be any less than required in court

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how about stuff that isn't gossip and doesn't rely on him wearing a shell suit and having shifty eyes

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Yes, but what?
give me a such as.

just one. if you can't think of two.

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do i really need to explain the concept of proof :rolleyes: if there isn't any do we rely on rumor and gossip for justice ?

How about you provide some proof that he did and don't forget that the onus of proof is on the alleged victim not the accused

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See. you can't think of anything can you :)

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But this is it. Testimony from the alleged victim(s) does count as evidence. Obviously there will be questions of how reliable the accuser's account is and that would decide if the CPS feels they can press ahead with a prosecution and then if it's enough to convince a jury. The more reliable accusers you have the better.