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cimt 30-10-2012 22:17

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Either that or you can get it to install it straight away.

LSainsbury 30-10-2012 22:22

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OK - so you can burn it to a USB stick / DVD and do a complete install like previous OSs - good.

tizmeinnit 30-10-2012 22:35

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these are upgrades so you have to have windows installed. All options no matter how you install ie off cd usb or direct you get the option to copy nothing giving you a clean install

LSainsbury 30-10-2012 22:39

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Ohhh....so you can't provide the original qualifying media when prompted like previous versions?

Guess I need a full copy for that - I ain't paying any more than £30 for a full copy though...Microsoft can go do one.

tizmeinnit 30-10-2012 22:45

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what difference does it make?

cimt 30-10-2012 22:53

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You mean Windows Media Center? You can get a free copy of that...

LSainsbury 30-10-2012 23:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35490649)
what difference does it make?

I'd rather do a complete straight Windows 8 virgin / clean install instead of ponying about installing 7 then 8 over the top.

tizmeinnit 30-10-2012 23:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LSainsbury (Post 35490676)
I'd rather do a complete straight Windows 8 virgin / clean install instead of ponying about installing 7 then 8 over the top.

you see that gift horse don't look at its teeth?

You do not need to perform a clean install if you have an existing install you just run the upgrade wizard select save nothing and you have a clean install

LSainsbury 30-10-2012 23:25

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Ah sorry I just re-read #204 and I get what you mean now. Lol. So basically the install of 7 is the qualifier for deleting and getting a fresh install go 8 anyway. Correct?

tizmeinnit 30-10-2012 23:30

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yes

Russ 31-10-2012 01:15

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The upgrade assistant isn't working for me. I download then run it, it says it's checking compatibility etc then it comes back with an internal error saying there was an error retrieving the scan report.

Dave42 31-10-2012 02:03

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Microsoft: Four million Windows 8 upgrades so far

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has confirmed here at the BUILD 2012 developer keynote that since Friday, the official launch of Windows 8, the company has already sold four million Windows 8 software upgrades.

That's certainly not a bad start for Windows 8 but at the same time, most people will likely still stick with their current Windows OS and wait to buy a new PC to get Windows 8. On that front, Ballmer says that sales of Windows 8 products are good so far.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...pgrades-so-far

LSainsbury 31-10-2012 08:11

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Does the copy of W7 you have installed and are upgrading need to be activated before you start the upgrade?

Also - what's the best image creation programme for creating a backup partition image if you want to roll back to W7?

tizmeinnit 31-10-2012 08:44

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windows 7 has its own.

Russ 31-10-2012 13:52

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I got around my issue by formatting and installing 7 then buying 8 straight away. It downloaded and installed ok but if I have to reformat in the future can I download it again and burn to DVD?

SnoopZ 31-10-2012 14:00

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There must be away of downloading officially, just don't lose the key for it.

You could make an image of it now though, this would mean you wouldn't have to install Windows 7 again.

tizmeinnit 31-10-2012 14:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35490872)
I got around my issue by formatting and installing 7 then buying 8 straight away. It downloaded and installed ok but if I have to reformat in the future can I download it again and burn to DVD?


just save the download. It should still be on the upgraded computer im not sure where its stored as I created an iso and installed using the file

CycoSymz 31-10-2012 15:05

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I had major problems upgrading from Windows 7 with the option of keeping all files and settings.

It kept crashing and re-starting, then it got stuck in a self repair loop and finally it just displayed the lock screen and didn't do anything else.

I formatted and re-installed and i'm now running without issues. :)

Russ 31-10-2012 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35490902)
just save the download. It should still be on the upgraded computer im not sure where its stored as I created an iso and installed using the file

Yeah I figured that would be the best way to do it although I've got no idea where the DL went. If you find out where it generally goes I'd be grateful if you could let me know :-D

Failing that there's an Indy computer shop near me that gives out copies of Vista, 7 etc burnt to DVD for people with a legit serial key but no disk. If he knows them as good customers he lets them have a copy (he's done it for me with my old Vista and 7) so I might have see if he can sort out an 8 disk.

So just to clarify for future reference (and assuming I get an 8 disk from somewhere, if I need to format in future will I need to install 7 then put 8 right on top with the 'do not keep anything' option?

mike_gain 31-10-2012 16:00

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Well that didn't last long :shocked:

Windows 8 was really growing on me and I was happy with the purchase I made on Friday.....until this morning.

Went to open Chrome and got no response, went into task manager to shut "chrome.exe" down got an "access denied" error so I re-started via the power options.

Since then (about 4 hours ago) it has been stuck in a boot loop which consists of the following steps

1) Attempt to boot for about 2 minutes
2) Show a blue screen with a message like "There was a problem and your computer needs to re-start" for < 1 second i.e. so short that I can't actually read the message no matter how often I try.
3) Restart goes into Preparing Automatic Repair mode which appears to do nothing for about 2 minutes
4) then a blank sceen appears for about 1 minute
5) back to step 1

I guess I'll try and get my £25 back from Microsoft and throw a copy of Ubuntu on which is a shame as I really liked a lot about Windows 8 and it made a huge difference to my laptop's power consumption.

LSainsbury 31-10-2012 16:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35490921)

So just to clarify for future reference (and assuming I get an 8 disk from somewhere, if I need to format in future will I need to install 7 then put 8 right on top with the 'do not keep anything' option?

That's the way I see it Russ. A PITA to install W7 but as tizmeinit said - it's an "upgrade" not the full version.

So - I'll get a legit copy, install W7, upgrade it, install updates and them image the partition...that way if I need to go back to a clean install I just restore that image without the faff of installing W7 and upgrading again!

LSainsbury 31-10-2012 22:28

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OK - bitten the bullet...£24 and it's downloading....anybody know where it's downloaded to so I can copy the source files (iso?) for a backup to save downloading it again??

Ahh - might have found it - is this the correct place?

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WebSet up

CycoSymz 31-10-2012 22:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LSainsbury (Post 35491077)
OK - bitten the bullet...£24 and it's downloading....anybody know where it's downloaded to so I can copy the source files (iso?) for a backup to save downloading it again??

Ahh - might have found it - is this the correct place?

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WebSet up

Once downloaded, it should ask if you want to install now or later from an image.
.
You select later and it should offer to burn you a DVD.

LSainsbury 31-10-2012 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CycoSymz (Post 35491079)
Once downloaded, it should ask if you want to install now or later from an image.
.
You select later and it should offer to burn you a DVD.

Cool - nice one - thanks.

tizmeinnit 31-10-2012 23:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35490937)
Well that didn't last long :shocked:

Windows 8 was really growing on me and I was happy with the purchase I made on Friday.....until this morning.

Went to open Chrome and got no response, went into task manager to shut "chrome.exe" down got an "access denied" error so I re-started via the power options.

Since then (about 4 hours ago) it has been stuck in a boot loop which consists of the following steps

1) Attempt to boot for about 2 minutes
2) Show a blue screen with a message like "There was a problem and your computer needs to re-start" for < 1 second i.e. so short that I can't actually read the message no matter how often I try.
3) Restart goes into Preparing Automatic Repair mode which appears to do nothing for about 2 minutes
4) then a blank sceen appears for about 1 minute
5) back to step 1

I guess I'll try and get my £25 back from Microsoft and throw a copy of Ubuntu on which is a shame as I really liked a lot about Windows 8 and it made a huge difference to my laptop's power consumption.

interesting I will research recovery options for win 8 its not as clear as I thought

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There are some nice simple recovery tools on the windows 8 dvd if you created one. I suggest everyone does

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ok a little how to create a start up USB drive ,everyone should do this if they do not have media

On the new ui screen goto corner select search click settings tab and type recovery. Select recovery tab then select create a recovery drive. It will search out the drive and create you a nice bootable restore USB

You can get there by win key and r together and run control.exe /name Microsoft.Recovery

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Shift and F8 is meant to boot you into recovery . Now this is all well and good but my Asus mobo in its stupid wisdom uses F8 for boot select so when I try I either get the boot list or I am to late. In theory most of you will get into recovery using shift and F8. If you actually want to use safe mode you can enter recovery/troubleshoot/advanced options/windows start up settings

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Glad ive been pushed into a bit of research tonight otherwise I would have been stuck lol

mike_gain 01-11-2012 00:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35491087)
interesting I will research recovery options for win 8 its not as clear as I thought

---------- Post added at 22:19 ---------- Previous post was at 22:05 ----------

There are some nice simple recovery tools on the windows 8 dvd if you created one. I suggest everyone does

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ok a little how to create a start up USB drive ,everyone should do this if they do not have media

On the new ui screen goto corner select search click settings tab and type recovery. Select recovery tab then select create a recovery drive. It will search out the drive and create you a nice bootable restore USB

You can get there by win key and r together and run control.exe /name Microsoft.Recovery

---------- Post added at 22:45 ---------- Previous post was at 22:27 ----------

Shift and F8 is meant to boot you into recovery . Now this is all well and good but my Asus mobo in its stupid wisdom uses F8 for boot select so when I try I either get the boot list or I am to late. In theory most of you will get into recovery using shift and F8. If you actually want to use safe mode you can enter recovery/troubleshoot/advanced options/windows start up settings

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Glad ive been pushed into a bit of research tonight otherwise I would have been stuck lol

Yes I made the newbie error of just installing without creating boot device (as I had no DVDs and my USB drives were at work). I was thinking "yeah I'll do that when I get back from my holiday".

After 15 years of backing up, being careful and creating tiers of redundancy I let my gaurd slip due to impatience on Friday. Thankfully I was able to install Ubuntu to overwrite my corrupted Windows 8 install (and also prove that it's not my disk that's in a bad way) so I have a laptop to use until I can get Windows 8 back up. I really was that impressed by how little power it used and how quick it woke from sleep.

The Microsoft Techs tried their best by leading me through the steps to downloading windows 8 on my spare XP machine. However on that machine I do not get the option to create a bootable device. I don't know if this is because I have already downloaded it or because XP doesn't support creating a USB device somehow.

MalteseFalcon 04-11-2012 23:33

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Can I just ask what security software people are using? I used MS Security Essentials, and was told that it won't work with Windows 8. I couldn't use Avast or AVG, and McAfee tended to slow my laptop down to a crawl.

I would like a free one if MS Security cannot be used in W8.

Dave42 04-11-2012 23:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35492485)
Can I just ask what security software people are using? I used MS Security Essentials, and was told that it won't work with Windows 8. I couldn't use Avast or AVG, and McAfee tended to slow my laptop down to a crawl.

I would like a free one if MS Security cannot be used in W8.

windows 8 comes with windows defender which is windows 8 version of MSE that's all im using windows 8 defender

MalteseFalcon 05-11-2012 00:34

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Thanks, nice to know it comes with an AV program installed.

Dai 05-11-2012 00:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35492498)
Thanks, nice to know it comes with an AV program installed.

Indeed, although Norton and Macafee won't be best pleased..

jempalmer 05-11-2012 00:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dai (Post 35492502)
Indeed, although Norton and Macafee won't be best pleased..

Good, their software sucks anyway. Woe betide anyone who utilises the free for x months on a new laptop or whatever. Getting rid of the wretched applications can be a mission.

Graham M 05-11-2012 01:44

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Just a warning, if you happen to have a 32-bit OS installed it will automatically download/upgrade a 32-bit OS, if you want to install the 64-bit version you can use the same key but will have to get your hands on an x64 disc as it doesn't give you the option on the download.

cimt 05-11-2012 07:54

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Actually, I don't think I have an AV installled. I should install one.

mentalis 05-11-2012 11:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham M (Post 35492514)
Just a warning, if you happen to have a 32-bit OS installed it will automatically download/upgrade a 32-bit OS, if you want to install the 64-bit version you can use the same key but will have to get your hands on an x64 disc as it doesn't give you the option on the download.

That's good to know. I was wondering about that. I have Win7 32bit on a 64 bit processor. Looks like I will have Win8 32bit on a 64 bit processor. Oh well.

MalteseFalcon 05-11-2012 11:21

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Just checked my System Info, and I am running a 64 bit Windows 8 OS, so obviously you do get a downloaded 64 bit Windows.

BenMcr 05-11-2012 11:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35492565)
Just checked my System Info, and I am running a 64 bit Windows 8 OS, so obviously you do get a downloaded 64 bit Windows.

Yes - but only if you've been running a 64bit version already

Microsoft do make it clear themselves http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...e-to-windows-8

Quote:

Can I upgrade from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version of Windows 8?

Yes, but you can't do this using Upgrade Assistant. If your PC has a 64-bit capable processor (CPU) but is currently running a 32-bit version of Windows, you can install a 64-bit version of Windows 8 Pro, but you'll need to buy it as a DVD and perform a custom installation. If available in your country or region, you can buy Windows 8 Pro from a participating retail store. You can also buy it online from the Microsoft Store in Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom, and United States.

Please note that the Windows 8 Pro Pack is used to upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8 Pro, and is not for cross-architecture installs and does not include any media. If you want to change architectures, purchase Windows 8 Pro.

You won't be able to keep any files, settings, or apps when you upgrade from a 32-bit to a 64-bit version.

qasdfdsaq 05-11-2012 12:03

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No different from every other version of windows ever that has come in 32-bit and 64-bit options...

Russ 07-11-2012 16:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35491124)
Yes I made the newbie error of just installing without creating boot device (as I had no DVDs and my USB drives were at work). I was thinking "yeah I'll do that when I get back from my holiday".

After 15 years of backing up, being careful and creating tiers of redundancy I let my gaurd slip due to impatience on Friday. Thankfully I was able to install Ubuntu to overwrite my corrupted Windows 8 install (and also prove that it's not my disk that's in a bad way) so I have a laptop to use until I can get Windows 8 back up. I really was that impressed by how little power it used and how quick it woke from sleep.

The Microsoft Techs tried their best by leading me through the steps to downloading windows 8 on my spare XP machine. However on that machine I do not get the option to create a bootable device. I don't know if this is because I have already downloaded it or because XP doesn't support creating a USB device somehow.

Yep just been through something similar. I didn't create a bootable device and this afternoon just after I sign in the screen goes back. The cursor is still there but neither the desktop or Metro will load. Spoke to MS support who were about as useful as VM's Indian callcentre and realised the only way was to reformat by installing 7 again then downloading 8 on top of it. My old XP system wouldn't allow me to download a copy on to USB as I hoped that would be a quicker way. No chance.

mike_gain 07-11-2012 20:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35493948)
Yep just been through something similar. I didn't create a bootable device and this afternoon just after I sign in the screen goes back. The cursor is still there but neither the desktop or Metro will load. Spoke to MS support who were about as useful as VM's Indian callcentre and realised the only way was to reformat by installing 7 again then downloading 8 on top of it. My old XP system wouldn't allow me to download a copy on to USB as I hoped that would be a quicker way. No chance.

Well I have finally got Windows 8 re-installed by borrowing my dad's Vista laptop, running the upgrade tool, creating an iso, burning a DVD and installing from that (after 3 calls to support I was informed that XP doesn't allow creating a boot media when running the Windows 8 upgrade tool.

However after going through all that I now can't activate Windows 8 as I had to do a clean install :mad:

I will have to contact support tomorrow and hope they can give me a valid product key.

nstokes 07-11-2012 22:22

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Does anyone know if its possible to uninstall Win 8 Pro and go back to Win 7? Did upgrade and the computer has the windows.old folder there but cant find an option to uninstall or rollback to prev OS.

mike_gain 07-11-2012 22:24

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Update: I contacted support this evening and a very helpful tech installed a repair tool that fixed my activation automatically so I am fully up and running now. Good job by the tech. Just hope windows 8 doesn't fall on it's posterior again.

Dave42 07-11-2012 22:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35494175)
Update: I contacted support this evening and a very helpful tech installed a repair tool that fixed my activation automatically so I am fully up and running now. Good job by the tech. Just hope windows 8 doesn't fall on it's posterior again.

so glad your sorted Mike hope you have no more probs at all never had a prob with my windows 8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35494172)
Does anyone know if its possible to uninstall Win 8 Pro and go back to Win 7? Did upgrade and the computer has the windows.old folder there but cant find an option to uninstall or rollback to prev OS.

think you got to do a full reformat to go back to windows 7 mate

Sirius 07-11-2012 22:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35494172)
Does anyone know if its possible to uninstall Win 8 Pro and go back to Win 7? Did upgrade and the computer has the windows.old folder there but cant find an option to uninstall or rollback to prev OS.

It killed my key by the looks of it, i am back on windows 7 at the moment evaluating my position in regards a new key.

My problems are with gaming and in particular Cod 4, windows 8 will not run it without crashing. There is a interaction between punk buster and windows 8

Dave42 07-11-2012 22:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35494183)
It killed my key by the looks of it, i am back on windows 7 at the moment evaluating my position in regards a new key.

My problems are with gaming and in particular Cod 4, windows 8 will not run it without crashing. There is a interaction between punk buster and windows 8

did you do a clean install of windows 8 because I can use cod 4 on mine if you upgraded over 7 maybe you would have to reinstall cod that should work

nstokes 07-11-2012 22:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35494181)

think you got to do a full reformat to go back to windows 7 mate

Hoping to find a way of avoiding that

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35494183)
It killed my key by the looks of it, i am back on windows 7 at the moment evaluating my position in regards a new key.

My problems are with gaming and in particular Cod 4, windows 8 will not run it without crashing. There is a interaction between punk buster and windows 8

Got a Pro 8 key, my dad installed it on his laptop but not working to well so has installed it on another laptop but of course wont activate as on another machine so need to find a way of taking it off the machine without formatting if poss so can activate on the other laptop instead

mike_gain 07-11-2012 22:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35494181)
so glad your sorted Mike hope you have no more probs at all never had a prob with my windows 8[COLOR="Silver"]

Cheers.

I count myself as pretty lucky as I've never had any problems with any operating systems other than Vista. Although I only ever had MS-DOS (5 and 6), Windows 98, XP, Linux, Vista and now Windows 8.

Sirius 07-11-2012 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35494187)
did you do a clean install of windows 8 because I can use cod 4 on mine if you upgraded over 7 maybe you would have to reinstall cod that should work

I did a clean install, i am not the only one with the problem, another member of the clan has the same exact fault. Fault email has been sent to evanbalance

Dave42 07-11-2012 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35494205)
I did a clean install, i am not the only one with the problem, another member of the clan has the same exact fault. Fault email has been sent to evanbalance

hope it can get sorted soon for you mate

tizmeinnit 08-11-2012 10:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35494183)
It killed my key by the looks of it, i am back on windows 7 at the moment evaluating my position in regards a new key.

My problems are with gaming and in particular Cod 4, windows 8 will not run it without crashing. There is a interaction between punk buster and windows 8

it just needs a punk buster update I am sure it will not last long

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I don't spose you tried running the punk buster executables in compat mode?

MalteseFalcon 08-11-2012 23:30

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Never mind, managed to setup a local account which shows my name.

I'm glad I decided to go for it at £15, the preview I used was not as good as what I am using now. Loaded my start screen up with loads of apps, all free of course, and am enjoying it. Will gladly say I was wrong about it, and would urge everyone to upgrade to Windows 8. I'm a proud convert.

Sirius 09-11-2012 09:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35494329)
it just needs a punk buster update I am sure it will not last long

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I don't spose you tried running the punk buster executables in compat mode?

Yep ran them in compat mode, admin mode. Eveanbalance now know theres a problem but i am not sure if there going to spend time fixing such an out of date game :rolleyes:

AdamD 11-11-2012 21:11

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Got two copies of 8 Pro in the end, can't really say no for £25 per copy, heh

Took some getting used to, but it's basically Windows 7 with a new UI slapped on it for touch/gesture screens.

After installing the Classic Startmenu addon (freeware, yay) and putting back the quick launch bar, I feel right at home

It's definitely faster than Windows 7, on startup and shutdown.

I'm growing to like it (minus the stupid Metro thing, which thankfully, I no longer have to see or use)

SnoopZ 11-11-2012 21:26

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I will get 2 copies for £14.99 when i get around to buying a SSD.

MalteseFalcon 11-11-2012 21:45

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I think had MS not done that offer of £15 for those who had bought a new Windows 7 PC I might not have taken the plunge and bought it. I actually quite like the metro screen, I have quite a few useful apps pinned there which keep me up to date with a lot of news and weather.

SnoopZ 11-11-2012 21:58

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Still a bargain for £25 i think while it is on offer, and i can still go back to Windows 7 if i don't get on with it. :)

jonbxx 12-11-2012 11:00

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I installed Win 8 this weekend, along with a new SSD. There were confilcting reports as to whether I could do a clean install on a blank drive but I guess the install picked up that I had Vista on my existing drive and all went well - to a point....

On reboot, I found I had a dual boot machine with options for Vista and Win 8. Obviously I went for Win 8 and I then got a boot error. I rebooted to the DVD and selected the 'Repair' option and it fixed things perfectly!

All in all, I am very happy with Win 8. There is a bit of a learning coruve with the Metro interface but I am growing to like it. I have moved things around and added new tiles so it's now set up as I like it. One thing I didn't realise is how connected Win 8 is. I use an Android phone and tablet and love the integration of Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. I now find that Win 8 can do the same. The setup isn't as simple as Android as I don't use Hotmail/Outlook.com as my mail provider but use Google of course but once I got there, it worked (big stumbling block was that I didin't realise the Charm bar was app context specific - obvious really!) My start page now has my VM mail, Facebook and LinkedIn contacts and my work calendar synced from Outlook using Google Calendar Sync. I can't quite get appointments I set up on my Win 8 calendar into my Google and then Outlook calendar but I'm working on it!

All in all, very pleased with the speed and look of the system.

Based on what I've seen, I would seriously consider getting a Surface tablet to replace my Android one in the future. Yes, I guess that was Microsofts plan all along...

nstokes 12-11-2012 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35495584)
Got two copies of 8 Pro in the end, can't really say no for £25 per copy, heh

Took some getting used to, but it's basically Windows 7 with a new UI slapped on it for touch/gesture screens.

After installing the Classic Startmenu addon (freeware, yay) and putting back the quick launch bar, I feel right at home

It's definitely faster than Windows 7, on startup and shutdown.

I'm growing to like it (minus the stupid Metro thing, which thankfully, I no longer have to see or use)

I like Windows 8, its good. A question thou, what is the point of upgrading to Windows 8 if you are not going to use the new Start Screen and just download freeware to put the start menu back on, you may as well have just stuck with Windows 7?

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35495599)
I think had MS not done that offer of £15 for those who had bought a new Windows 7 PC I might not have taken the plunge and bought it. I actually quite like the metro screen, I have quite a few useful apps pinned there which keep me up to date with a lot of news and weather.

I have it installed on my MacBook and it runs quite well on it. Before people ask why i have installed on a MacBook its because i use both OSX and Windows for different things.

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35495607)
Still a bargain for £25 i think while it is on offer, and i can still go back to Windows 7 if i don't get on with it. :)

Got my copy of Windows 8 Pro for £9.99 so even more of a bargin :D

mike_gain 13-11-2012 14:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35495901)
I like Windows 8, its good. A question thou, what is the point of upgrading to Windows 8 if you are not going to use the new Start Screen and just download freeware to put the start menu back on, you may as well have just stuck with Windows 7?


Windows 8 is quite a bit different to Windows 7. Even if they hadn't introduced a new UI there would be many changes that would make the upgrade worthwhile. My answer to your question is that if someone decides to use the old style Start Menu that are still benefiting from many of the Windows 8 improvements.

richard s 13-11-2012 15:17

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Windows has touch screen techology. Most PC screens are soft and spongy are prone to finger nail damage me thinks.

BenMcr 13-11-2012 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35496188)
Windows has touch screen techology. Most PC screens are soft and spongy are prone to finger nail damage me thinks.

Screens not designed for touch may be, but I'd assume PC screens that are touch enabled are a bit sturdier

mike_gain 14-11-2012 10:04

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Windows 8 is certainly a very different OS from any I have previously used. I have never been in a position where I have had to re-install an OS twice in less than 2 weeks because of the OS crashing beyond repair.

It would appear that Windows 8 does not like restarting on my laptop. It was happy to shutdown/boot up and go to sleep/wake up but I tried a restart last night to try and solve playback issues with TV Anywhere and BOOM! Same problem as I had last week i.e. Windows encounters problem, automatic repair kicks in and then crashes, Windows tries to start, Windows encounters problem, automatic repair starts then crashes......ad infinitum.

I am now in a quandary as to whether I should seek a refund or re-install for the 2nd time (and get support to activate my copy for a 2nd time) and hope that a service pack fixes this problem...and of course be careful not to restart.

However I wouldn't be keen to find out after my refund period that this problem gets worse and that there is no point re-installing Windows 8 again and again. In which case I'd in effect have paid £24.99 to upgrade from Vista to Ubuntu which would make me unique at best. But I'm keen to have a Windows OS on my laptop......perhaps Microsoft will give me a refund but let me keep my activated copy on the basis that it is a bit flaky and that I could give their developers some help in diagnosing the compatibility issue with my machine. As it's a Dell Inspiron it's not exactly a bespoke, niche market product so they may be keen to figure out what's going on.

Cobbydaler 18-11-2012 20:29

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11...orrespondence/ :D

Stuart 19-11-2012 17:56

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Another Usuability expert giving Windows 8 a pasting. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11...isappointment/

I've had Windows 8 as the OS on my home PC since release. While my attitude to the UI has softened somewhat, I still think Microsoft's strategy of one size fits all for interfaces is wrong, and may ultimately sink the company.

It's a shame really, as the OS itself seems good, possibly better than Windows 7.

tizmeinnit 19-11-2012 18:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35499199)
Another Usuability expert giving Windows 8 a pasting. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11...isappointment/

I've had Windows 8 as the OS on my home PC since release. While my attitude to the UI has softened somewhat, I still think Microsoft's strategy of one size fits all for interfaces is wrong, and may ultimately sink the company.

It's a shame really, as the OS itself seems good, possibly better than Windows 7.

I do not understand why anyone will slate the OS because of the new UI when in 20 seconds you can get the start menu back with a skin that uses next to no resources.

The New UI is not a good enough reason to slate windows 8 any "expert" who uses this as their only reason isn't

BenMcr 19-11-2012 18:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35499209)
I do not understand why anyone will slate the OS because of the new UI when in 20 seconds you can get the start menu back with a skin that uses next to no resources.

The New UI is not a good enough reason to slate windows 8 any "expert" who uses this as their only reason isn't

That isn't the point they are making. What other product would you buy and then immediately expect to have to change it so that it works as most people would expect?

tizmeinnit 19-11-2012 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35496190)
Screens not designed for touch may be, but I'd assume PC screens that are touch enabled are a bit sturdier

well they will have a digitizer over the screen to work

---------- Post added at 17:15 ---------- Previous post was at 17:11 ----------

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35499211)
That isn't the point they are making. What other product would you buy and then immediately expect to have to change it so that it works as most people would expect?



sawn timber??

as I pointed out ages ago everything is easy to get to and only takes a few clicks to get to everything you need.

On one of the posts refference to CP in XP was made well that changed in Vista but only until you make a few clicks to change it. These people are accessing all these programs from the New UI and not from elsewhere in windows . My control Panel is pretty much the same as it was without a skin and everything is there pretty much as it was through run commands in windows the skin and start menu just makes it easier to access.

Lots of the much hated vista looked different to XP and a lot of these changes were kept in Windows 7 but everyone loves that.

New UI to kill MS is codswhollop

Sirius 19-11-2012 18:42

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For anyone wanting to play games on this operating system i suggest you read this thread and the ongoing problems getting Cod4 and punk buster working on Windows 8 :LOL:

http://www.nthwgaming.co.uk/forum/in...pic,698.0.html

Russ 20-11-2012 16:40

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Hmm...had 8 running for about a month now and I'm still not convinced. There's nothing really wrong with it and I do like the Metro thing however there aren't any apps available that I can't get and wouldn't use on my phone which of course is more convenient.

I'm seriously thinking of rolling back to 7 until such times as all the bugs so far are ironed out.

Sirius 20-11-2012 16:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35499538)
Hmm...had 8 running for about a month now and I'm still not convinced. There's nothing really wrong with it and I do like the Metro thing however there aren't any apps available that I can't get and wouldn't use on my phone which of course is more convenient.

I'm seriously thinking of rolling back to 7 until such times as all the bugs so far are ironed out.

Just be aware they killed my windows 7 key as part of the upgrade.

SnoopZ 20-11-2012 16:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499540)
Just be aware they killed my windows 7 key as part of the upgrade.

They are not supposed to, as long as you uninstall Windows 8 you should be able to roll back to Windows 7.

Sirius 20-11-2012 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35499548)
They are not supposed to, as long as you uninstall Windows 8 you should be able to roll back to Windows 7.

Tried it and phoned them, they said that it was part of the upgrade process and there is no going back. :mad:

dilli-theclaw 20-11-2012 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35499642)
The relentless upgrade ratchet. Don't play that game.

.........unleds of curse you have a good reason too.

In my case that'd be saving hundreds on getting zoomtext ;-)

SnoopZ 20-11-2012 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499620)
Tried it and phoned them, they said that it was part of the upgrade process and there is no going back. :mad:

You need to phone them up again and show them their own quote on their page as it clearly says you can go back.

Quote:

What if I change my mind? Can I just go back to my old operating system?
Not exactly. The version of Windows that you had on your PC before you upgraded won’t be there anymore. To get it back, you'll need to reinstall the previous version of Windows from the recovery or installation media that came with your PC. Typically, this is on a DVD.

If you don’t have recovery media, you might be able to create it before you upgrade from a recovery partition on your PC using software provided by your PC manufacturer. Check the support section of your PC manufacturer’s website for more info. Be sure that you have this recovery disk before you upgrade, because after you install Windows 8, you won't be able to use the recovery partition to create a recovery disk. For more info on starting your PC from recovery media, see Boot from the media you created to install on another partition.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...e-to-windows-8

Sirius 20-11-2012 20:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35499654)
You need to phone them up again and show them their own quote on their page as it clearly says you can go back.



http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...e-to-windows-8

:tu: Will try

SnoopZ 20-11-2012 21:48

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Has anyone else here had their Windows 7 key killed? As the only reason i was getting Windows 8 is that i could go back to 7 if i wanted to.

tizmeinnit 20-11-2012 22:25

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my ghosted install of win 7 can be reaplied and upgraded as I have done it 3 times.

I gave you a solution ages ago ;)

Sirius 20-11-2012 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35499718)
Has anyone else here had their Windows 7 key killed? As the only reason i was getting Windows 8 is that i could go back to 7 if i wanted to.

I have just been back on the phone to Microsoft and they say because i used windows 8 for more than 7 days i have lost the ability to roll back to my old key. I will be sending a letter and email to them in disgust. Last time i buy a new version of windows until at least a year has passed to iron out the crap.

BenMcr 20-11-2012 22:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499761)
I have just been back on the phone to Microsoft and they say because i used windows 8 for more than 7 days i have lost the ability to roll back to my old key. I will be sending a letter and email to them in disgust. Last time i buy a new version of windows until at least a year has passed to iron out the crap.

Well bang goes me upgrading if that's the case

SnoopZ 20-11-2012 22:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35499774)
Well bang goes me upgrading if that's the case

And me, although I will do what tiz said if I do go ahead.

Sirius 20-11-2012 22:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35499774)
Well bang goes me upgrading if that's the case

I will be sending them a email and letter that will make it dam clear i want the ability to get my key back. Its not my fault there software does not work with COD4. I rolled back to windows 7 but the timer is running out. I was given a key by a friend but i really want my key back from microsoft and will stick to my guns till i get it. Unfortunately that means at the weekend i will have to reinstall crappy windows 8 so i have a working system.

MalteseFalcon 20-11-2012 23:44

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What version of Windows 7 do you need a key for Sirius? I can send you a key for W7 Home Premium if that is any good to you?

Sirius 21-11-2012 00:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35499828)
What version of Windows 7 do you need a key for Sirius? I can send you a key for W7 Home Premium if that is any good to you?

Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit, that's why i am so ****ed off with Microsoft. I will get my key back from them if its the last thing i do :mad:

You know i feel they are doing this because they have not sold as many copies as they wanted to.

Thanks for the offer Mark :tu:

MalteseFalcon 21-11-2012 00:11

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No worries, I know for a fact I will not be going back to Windows 7, but only because the software, games and programs I want to use most are compatible with Windows 8. Can imagine it is pretty galling for those whose software, games and programs aren't compatible.

tizmeinnit 21-11-2012 10:13

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499787)
I will be sending them a email and letter that will make it dam clear i want the ability to get my key back. Its not my fault there software does not work with COD4. I rolled back to windows 7 but the timer is running out. I was given a key by a friend but i really want my key back from microsoft and will stick to my guns till i get it. Unfortunately that means at the weekend i will have to reinstall crappy windows 8 so i have a working system.

am I right that your only isuue with windows 8 is the fact you can not play COD4 because of a Punkbuster problem? That is an issue with punkbuster not windows 8 they need to fix it

---------- Post added at 09:13 ---------- Previous post was at 09:11 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499761)
I have just been back on the phone to Microsoft and they say because i used windows 8 for more than 7 days i have lost the ability to roll back to my old key. I will be sending a letter and email to them in disgust. Last time i buy a new version of windows until at least a year has passed to iron out the crap.

I ghosted my windows install before I upgraded and I have recovered windows 7 and upgraded again 4 times without any issue at all

The wait a year is a good idea for those who lose their rag when things do not go right ;) My old man is worse than you I have told him he is not having it lol . All new OS's have teathing problems XP needed 2 service packs before it become the much loved OS that it did

Sirius 21-11-2012 10:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35499944)
am I right that your only isuue with windows 8 is the fact you can not play COD4 because of a Punkbuster problem? That is an issue with punkbuster not windows 8 they need to fix it

indeed your correct however I need a system that works with the software I use and that includes cod4 , it works in windows 7 but does not work in windows 8. It's simple I need to use the version that works, now I could just use the key I was given by a friend buts that's Iliigal or I could use a hacked copy that's Iliigal. I want to use my legal copy but Microsoft have moved the goal posts. I will yet again be on the phone to them today but it's hard work as its an overseas call centre and the line quality is not good for me as I wear hearing aids.

tizmeinnit 21-11-2012 10:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499951)
indeed your correct however I need a system that works with the software I use and that includes cod4 , it works in windows 7 but does not work in windows 8. It's simple I need to use the version that works, now I could just use the key I was given by a friend buts that's Iliigal or I could use a hacked copy that's Iliigal. I want to use my legal copy but Microsoft have moved the goal posts. I will yet again be on the phone to them today but it's hard work as its an overseas call centre and the line quality is not good for me as I wear hearing aids.


how much do the calls cost? stop being stubborn dude and use the key you been given :)

BenMcr 21-11-2012 10:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35499969)
how much do the calls cost? stop being stubborn dude and use the key you been given :)

Why should he? He has a legal key that he has paid for, and this is Microsoft's issue.

tizmeinnit 21-11-2012 10:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35499970)
Why should he? He has a legal key that he has paid for, and this is Microsoft's issue.

because the EULA which you agree to says so ;)

Quote:

What about upgrading the software?
The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.

BenMcr 21-11-2012 11:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35499973)
because the EULA which you agree to says so ;)

Still Microsoft's issue as their own FAQ says you can go back

tizmeinnit 21-11-2012 11:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35499976)
Still Microsoft's issue as their own FAQ says you can go back

linky

Sirius 21-11-2012 11:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35499978)
linky

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35499654-post275.html

---------- Post added at 10:24 ---------- Previous post was at 10:23 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35499969)
how much do the calls cost? stop being stubborn dude and use the key you been given :)

Because as you have pointed out in this link its illegal

Quote:

What about upgrading the software?
The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.

tizmeinnit 21-11-2012 11:26

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I found that and it does give you an arguement but the EULA makes it clear though and you did agree to it. You know me I am no fan of how M$ licence their software. You pay for it but its never yours. I hate it its capitalism to the core so I do not tend to pay for OS's and screw them but your wasting money on calls and getting yourself stressed without need

And dude when you ever given a toss about copyright lol lol

Sirius 21-11-2012 11:43

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35499982)
I found that and it does give you an arguement but the EULA makes it clear though and you did agree to it. You know me I am no fan of how M$ licence their software. You pay for it but its never yours. I hate it its capitalism to the core so I do not tend to pay for OS's and screw them but your wasting money on calls and getting yourself stressed without need

And dude when you ever given a toss about copyright lol lol

The calls are 0800 and sometimes you just have to stick to your guns because the attitude of the first person i spoke to made me so sodding annoyed.

tizmeinnit 21-11-2012 11:52

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499987)
The calls are 0800 and sometimes you just have to stick to your guns because the attitude of the first person i spoke to made me so sodding annoyed.

fair enough I hope you get your way :)

Russ 21-11-2012 13:48

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
So what if I'm installing it on a machine that had 7 pre-installed? My computer was only switched on for about 3 minutes before I put 8 on it and now I've gone back to 7, everything is working fine. So if I went back to 8 again then returned to 7 in the future what is likely to happen?

tizmeinnit 21-11-2012 13:57

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35500022)
So what if I'm installing it on a machine that had 7 pre-installed? My computer was only switched on for about 3 minutes before I put 8 on it and now I've gone back to 7, everything is working fine. So if I went back to 8 again then returned to 7 in the future what is likely to happen?

well if you recover using pre installed OS them there is a chance nothing untoward will happen as the OS does not need to be activated. As I said I made my own system image prior to install

Russ 21-11-2012 14:07

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35500024)
well if you recover using pre installed OS them there is a chance nothing untoward will happen as the OS does not need to be activated.

Yeah that's what I thought. When I started the computer up for the first time it did not ask to be activated or anything.

When I installed 8 I selected the 'keep nothing' option but when it started up for the first time it had the 'Build 9200' message in the bottom corner even though I'd entered my serial ok. Turns out I'd reached my 'install limit' or whatever for that key so I had to activate by phone which worked but was a pain in the b'tox.

SnoopZ 24-11-2012 13:32

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35499987)
The calls are 0800 and sometimes you just have to stick to your guns because the attitude of the first person i spoke to made me so sodding annoyed.

Any resolution on your windows 7 key? as your posts have really put me off risking my legit Windows 7 now.

I will probably do Tiz work around before the £15 deal expires though.

Sirius 24-11-2012 13:34

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35501464)
Any resolution on your windows 7 key? as your posts have really put me off risking my legit Windows 7 now.

I will probably do This work around before the £15 deal expires though.

They are adamant they will NOT give me my key back. Its the last time i ever PAY for a micro$oft product again ;). So i will use the key i have been given and Microsoft can go forth in short jerky movements from now. The windows 8 POSS has now been uninstalled :tu:

tizmeinnit 24-11-2012 13:48

Re: [MERGED] Windows 8 discussion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35501467)
They are adamant they will NOT give me my key back. Its the last time i ever PAY for a micro$oft product again ;). So i will use the key i have been given and Microsoft can go forth in short jerky movements from now. The windows 8 POSS has now been uninstalled :tu:

you liked it had it not been for Cod4 not working

I do not blame you though I only paid for win 8 because it was so cheap


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