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Yeah but how many of those actually wanted Skysports and how many just have it as part of Sky-world? I doubt it really matters but out of that 7 million I bet some never watch SS.

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Disagree with Virgin..agree with sky

BT need the right deal with Virgin..not any deal

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Not if 2 million cable customers upsticks and move over to BT, Which after all is what BT want. They know they can't take on Sky (yet) but they also know Infinity is generally considered superior to VM but users want TV packaged with their phone and Broadband now.

I really do think this is going to put a squeeze on VM, thats not scaring mongering or hating.Its just BT want to be the number 2 player in this market and they seem to want it within the next 4-5 years.

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Bear in mind that this will increase subscriptions to BT's broadband service, when bundled with a phone and TV service. They won't need to add that many viewers to their TV service to break even. They have 750,000 BT Vision customers. Sell more bundles and they may only need 820,000 (according to DS Forum speculation) to break even.

This is all about making their triple-play bundles more attractive. Many thought that Sky overpaid for EPL back in 92, look at them now.

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That is a great point and at the time Sky had hardly any customers and most though it could never pay off.

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Well Sky have been putting all their might on Virgin for years but have made no dent in Virgins overall TV and Broadband numbers so if they can't make a dent in it then BT have no chance of making a dent in Virgins overall customer numbers and as for infinty being better then Virgins broadband well l think people are overexaggerating it totally.

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Yes Den we know, according to you everyone with crap VM broadband hates VM and is talking rubbish, everyone with good BT infinity is making it up and over exaggerating. Sky also have more TV customers in cabled areas than VM do.

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I think things will be interesting for customers in the future, there will be more choice which can only be good. You view will certainly be very interesting when it finally launches.

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Wrong l am afraid because 99% of Virgin customers with broadband and other services are extremely happy with their speeds and service they are getting and as we always know the people who are unhappy with Virgins services are vastly overexaggerated in its numbers and most of then tend to frequent on forums to make their voice heard more.:)

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I would also say 99% of Sky tv and broadband customers are happy and 99% of BT Inifinty customers are happy, I'm sure you woulod agree?

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Whilst I have had no problems myself , I know of plenty of people who do have terrible problems with VM BB including four members of my family . As for the superhub I will say no more.

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There are many many people with the Superhub who have absolutely no problems at all so again its a vastly overexaggerated amount of people who are supposed to be unhappy again.

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Well because you are the renowned expert on Skys services perhaps you can kindly ask them how happy they are with their services.:)

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So am I to take t you are a renowned expert on VM services as you seem to know how many are happy with the services, even how many are happy with their Superhub.

You serve you master most faithfully and obediently I hope he teaches you how to take the dark arts to the next level.

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Well there is only one master trained in the dark arts and you would be wise to pledge yourself to his teachings.:)

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So we agree Sky is by far the best for TV and BT is by far the best for broadband. VM are stuck in the old boys club wondring which way is up right now.

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Its so nice you are well versed in the dreamings of the dark side as well.

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lol..maybe best we agree both of you are right :D

And then just wait until BT agree what they will do...plenty of time until next season

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Arise Sir Colin.:)

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Yes, and let's hope Virgin can come up with a clever and compelling strategy to avoid being squeezed by two cashed up companies with significant strengths in TV, phone and broadband world!

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I agree VM are in danger of being squeezed by two cash rich companies, I also hope VM are able to come up with new ideas.

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I think this really depends on what "best" means for you. TV? Personally I'd rather have TiVo and fewer channels-I've been a Sky customer and honestly don't miss the ludicrous number of rubbish channels available, I like the better on demand stuff, and love TiVo suggestions. Of course, if you like hundreds of channels then Sky is best, but not everybody does else there'd be no point in freeview. Broadband? Infinity isn't available in my area, and won't be anytime soon. With an adsl speed of about 2 mb this really is a no brainer. Even without free Premier League football cable will probably remain "best" for me for both TV and broadband for some time to come-I just don't think it's as simple as saying one company is best for one, another company is best for another etc.

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I agree with you saying it depends on your circumstances.

But Sky TV is not about 100's of channels..i suspect no one chooses it for that reason

I choose it because i get all the Sky sports channels and in HD.

Sky Atlantic

Horses for courses. One man's meat is another man's ...let's not go there :D

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It's expensive to go with sky tv and infinity bob, virgin are best in a bundle

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I had virgin...was content to pay for 50 (and had lower bundles) if it allowed me to game

Virgin was crap for gaming...and that is only point i would need the speed

I get a better gaming experience on SKY, and not paying a price for it

I will try infinity, when it comes...but as stated before. If a company meets my needs I use them...I'm not a slave to any company...and I'm not bothered whether it is Pepsi or Coke..as i drink neither :D

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Totally agree
Why do you assume people choose Sky because it has more channels ?

Don't Sky and BT Vision both offer OD content , I will concede for you cable OD is probably a better option with poor ADSL speeds and no fibre however I have no issues whatsoever with Anytime+ my only complaint would be it needs a terrestrial catchup service which is being planned.

Again personal preference , my parents have the function turned off as they found it recorded shows they would never have an interest in despite using the thumbs up/down function.

What about mobile apps , content on the go , greater HD offering , cheaper landline/calls , it's really not all about quantity of channels.

Agreed , my parents choose cable for that exact reason.

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Sky may offer more than just lots of channels, but don't kid yourselves that this isn't a major selling point for a lot of people. Sky themselves confirm this. Sure anytime+ and go are important, but as of last year less than 40% of their customers had upgraded to hd and only 15% were using Sky Go. I'd just like to reaffirm the point I was making which is you have to do what's best for you. What I have to consider, being in the majority of people who aren't especially bothered by hd and don't want to watch TV on the go, as well as being unable to get decent broadband speeds from anyone other than Virgin (negating the cheap telephone point) is that really the only thing I would be extra channels. And I don't want them.

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My point is..I have never heard of anyone saying...wow..I got sky because of all the channels. That may have happened when sky first came out..but mainly because extra channels was rare.

Customers choose now because of other selling points..quantity of channel isn't it..usually it is quality of choice...I have a selection of channels I view..the rest just sit there waiting

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For you that is the case but Sky have more tripple pay customers(taking BB/TVPHONE) than Virginmedia does. An I can tell you right now a 16Mb ADSL line compare's surprisingly well agains't a 100Mb Virginmedia line.

Although I don't download much but we do have in the evening a lot of usage on our line EG, Skyanytime+, xboxlive, general browsing,Sky go, phones connected.

You would be surprised how much internet speed you DON'T need. Although I will have Sky's 80Mb download and 20Mb upload very soon:D

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Sky themselves make a point of saying that, as standard, they offer 40 of their own channels as well as the UK's largest selection of free to air channels. Those are the very first two things they say before they mention anything else. Like I say, it really is important to some people. Sky recognise this and use it as the main basis for their marketing.

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A 16 mb line might compare well, but as stated I can't get anywhere near that.

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16Mb ADSL line you really must be joking as several of my family have Skys broadband and let me tell you when l was there they were lucky if they got 1Mb each day so my advice is don't be decieved by Skys broadband because in my experience its non league compared to Virgins Premier league fiber optic broadband.

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Most people cannot get nowhere near those speeds and any who can are in the minority thats for sure on Sky.:)

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Disagree

i have had Virgins, 10, 30, 50

I have had Skys 16 (I get 11)

Sky's is better, hands down

I couldn't play online games on Virgins..I can on Sky

But if you are a big downloader...then maybe Virgin is best....I can't compare that, as I don't download lots

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Its always nice to read what the wise old sage Colin says on the subject but when it comes to broadband there simply is no contest but its always nice to know the old boys club is as vocal as ever on the subject.:D

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On the VM forums their are people on 100Mb VM lines getting under 15Mb and have been for over 4 months.

My Sky stats, my actual achieved speed is more like dead on 16Mb

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 16902 kbps 1192 kbps

I live in a VM area I can get 100Mb but I choose Sky, if I could not get Sky I would go BT-Vision or freeview/sat but NEVER back to Virginmedia.

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That might very well be your Sky stats but its very much in the small minority thats for sure.

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Fair enough. If I could get a decent adsl speed I may never have come to cable. I can't. I really want to reiterate the fact that my point was that everyone has to do what's right for them. I wasn't trying to reignite* an old debate. The only perceived dig at Sky appears to have been my suggestion that they are mainly about lots of channels, it wasn't intended as a dig and I've posted to back up this suggestion again, not to reignite the debate but to back up my original point, which is that it's not for me. I'm in the majority of people not yet sold on hd and TV on the go, but the minority of people who consider Virgin their best option.

Is it right that BT have bought some Premier League rights?

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Their are Sky customers getting 80Mb down and 20Mb up completely unmanaged. VM cannot get anywhere near 20Mb upload speeds, Nore could they go completely unmanaged even 100Mb has traffic management.

I also know for a fact my Thinkbroadband ping monitor looks better than your and I have never seen yours. Mine is in the ping monitor thread. I would advise anyone not fall for Virginmedias claimed speeds because in my experience you get less than promised and its useless for online gaming.

Back ontopic........

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You are certainly doing your masters bidding TB but like your master its the same old Sky old boys club rhetoric without much proof or substance to back up your extremely biased conclusions.:)

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I beg to differ, I've used both products...and can say Virgin is over rated...but it is still the point...that is my view. i do appreciate that you are pro-virgin, and I have no issue with that. But i am not pro-Sky, I am pro-me..best deal, suiting my circumstances is all i am after. If Virgin could improve their gaming, I would choose their broadband.

But I wouldn't choose them for tv, they lack sport in HD (and to be honest, it is only sport that I think is essential for HD, movies etc I can take in standard happily), and of course, Virgin don't have Sky atlantic, and a lot of shows I watch, are on that channel

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Oops, and to keep it on thread, ESPN will lose EPL football, and customers from SKy :D

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This thread is not about VM versus Sky products..

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Boy it's going to get real expensive if you are a die hard football fan. If you are a fan of the English Premiership, SPL, European football etc... you'll need SKY Sports, ESPN and the new BT channel. That's not to mention Premier Sports if that ever launches on Virgin.

It's actually going to be cheaper to buy a season ticket for the majority of Scottish and Enlgish clubs than what it will be to watch football on TV. A season ticket for my local club, Falkirk, is only £225.00. You can get a season ticket for most English Championship clubs from between £350.00 to £550.00

Maybe people should start thinking about going back to football and putting their money back into their local clubs, and enjoying a day out at the game, rather than lining the pockets of SKY, ESPN and BT.

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I can't see that happening.

I suspect most will dump ESPN, unless they like the other offerings.
BT may get a foothold, but depends on price..remembering that it is just EPL at moment, so no way would i pay same as i pay for ESPN now.

To be honest, I might just stick with sky sports. ESPN if they drop their price, and might not go for BT.

But who knows, it will be interesting to see what is on offer.

I might even get to go to bed early some nights :D

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Thats all very well Chad buts lets say you pay £20 a ticket for each match then you are still looking at £100 a month then theres food/drink and transport costs which will push the costs up considerably and then put that against the combined costs of Sky/ESPN and BT then its still much cheaper to watch sport at home in the comfort of your own home.

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I'm sorry but it's currently cheaper for my husband to go down the pub than for us to pay for all the footy.

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spare a moment for us Arsenal fans will you in your discussions. we pay premiums left right and center! £20 would get you a picture OUTSIDE the stadium

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Thats great Maggy for your husband if theres a pub nearby but where we live there is no decent pub for miles around plus even if there was do l want really to listen to the loud boorishness and bad language of some of these groups of people who frequent in some of these pubs.:)

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Sky having channels that VM don't, both SD and HD, is the ONLY thing that would tempt me to move to Sky.

I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall that the lack of SD and HD channels on VM, that Sky had, was the reason that MM moved to Sky? I'm sure he will correct me if I am wrong :D

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I suppose it all comes down to how much your local club charges for their season ticket, and how far away their ground is.

I can watch my local junior team Bo'ness United for free if I jump the wall. I can even drink a few cans of beer at the game if I'm careful:D

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To be honest i think once ESPN lose the EPL,VM may try to do a wholesale deal with BT just as they have with ESPN// Setanta before them,as i could not see it being worthwhile offering the matches to VM customers otherwise as they would get very few takers on a seperate subscription basis.

I fear Sky sports will go up which is kind of a blow as i only want the cricket mostly.:(

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thats guarenteed when the september price rise comes on sky

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Along with mobile apps , cheaper price for me and I have always preferred the Sky+ software if I'm honest.

I can't see a similar deal coming off Richard I believe BT will want to make the channel most attractive on its own platform but I guess it's all speculation and time will tell.

I fear you could be right :(

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Yeah I know exactly how you feel. In terms of football I only really watch when Scotland and Rangers are playing. I might not be seeing much of Rangers on TV for a while:rolleyes:

Other than Rangers and Scotland I only watch boxing and maybe tennis when Andy Murray is playing. SKY are cutting back on their boxing coverage so my days with SKY Sports might be numbered.

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that could change when the big september price rice comes in MM

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Do you know something we don't Dave :)

A price rise is inevitable one would think however I'm not sure about big :D

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well they gonna make up for last year price freeze and paying more for football for sure MM so i bet will be big

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A season ticket at London's premier club (all true apart from the premier bit) is about £400. That's about the same as a year's subscription to Sky Sports. The difference, of course, is the train fare and a pint or two of Palace ale (Neil Morrissey, actor, Palace fan, brewery owner-who knew!), so as much as I hate to say it, when I take into account the fact that I work shifts and end up paying for games I can't attend, I'm better of subscribing to Sky Sports than I am going to watch my favourite team. I have, for the first time in almost twenty years, given up my season ticket this year because of work commitments. My money will probably now go to Sky, rather than the only club outside of the Premier League likely to have a category 1 academy. I was going that way anyway because of f1, but have probably been tipped over the edge by the loss of ESPN's rights. And yet neither the Premier League nor Sky need my money, and I don't care about them, whilst Palace clearly do need my money and I spend my every waking hour doing what I can to ensure master m understands the appeal.

What I'm trying to say is that you can't put a price on the intangibles. You can't put a price on the fact that the player I saw score against Wolves in the play off's is now the manager. You can't cost the fact that the club mascot is actually the same eagle I can take the boy to see at the local bird sanctuary. You can't put a price on the fact that my photograph album includes pictures of the day I was a mascot and shows England internationals (well, Geoff Thomas) in their pants. But you can put a price on Sky Sports, and you can be clear with the bank manager about what that cost is. But should you? I've got a lot of sympathy for the argument that says we should take the opportunity to get down to or local club (unless that's Brighton)-I wish I could feel confident that a rights deal by a minority platform for an inflated price would lead to that, but it won't. Simply not good for the game or the consumer who will have to pay more. Football at the top end was beginning to show that it understood the need to get it's house in order-ticket priceswere coming down, so were wages. Now we have an incredible amount of money pumped into the game, paid for by the consumer who is already struggling to attend live matches-free football on the top tier of the Virgin platform allowed people their Prem fix whilst also allowing investment on a local level. Apart from being disappointing news for cable customers, I can't see how this can be particularly good for football. Shame.

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And ones years price freeze last year usually equals a even bigger rise come September this year.

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I totally expect a price rise for Sky, Just before I left VM earlier this year I was facing a £6 a month price rise on my package, an lets not forget VM's Atumn price rise on the phoneline rental each year. So aslong as my Sky price rise is under £6 a month I'm happy.

I'm expecting a rise of £5 a month if its under that I will be over the moon and singing from the roof tops. Also Skys price freeze was effectively for 2 years, the TV hasn't increased in price since August 2010 its now 2012 and the price won't rise until September. VM have had 8 price rises in that time.

Broadband price x2
TV packages price rises x2
Phone call price rises x2
Phoneline rental price rises x2

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Interesting article from the Daily Snail saying BT were close to winning more rights and as they were toe to toe with Sky for every package.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-hit-list.html

Inside Sport can reveal that BT 'bid the house', according to one source, to go 'toe to toe' with BSkyB for most of the seven packages of rights available.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1y2W0NKAs

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If either present..i might give up that package..don't think i could stand either

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I've just been reading about some of the interactive features BT will be providing to customers over their technically superior infinity network.

This really will embarrass Virginmedia if their network doesn't have this feature. I've been reading on here how VM customers choose the network due to VOD and connectivity over the cable network. I see a lot of unhappy VM customers if they don't get the interactive.

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Oh dear if we listen to you then Virgin might as well wave the white flag now then but then the same things have been said for the last 15 years ago but yet despite Sky's mighty cashpiles and insidious and nefarious behaviour Virgin are actually growing their business and many people including myself expect this continious upward trend to continue for many years ahead despite what the doomsayers like yourself and others say as please remember at the end of the day we don't erect statues for tenapenny critics like yourself and others.:)

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All we can do is wait 12 months for BT to launch their new service, in time for next years football season, and we can judge from there. No point is speculating what Virgin can and can't deliver on something that doesn't even exist at this time. Ultimately it'll be BT who decide whether Virgin, SKY and Freeview will have access to their interactive services. It'll have nothing to do with how good each companies network is.

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Very true chad, alwyays makes me laugh though at this thought below.

When ofcom ordered Sky sports 1/2 must be offered to BT ect ect, sky immediately announced "sky sports news will not be playing for freeview next year " in a pique of spite oh the irony now BT have won 2 packages of EPL.:D:D

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What are they?

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No real details just that BT are planning to offer interactive features to customers on its infinity network. I would assume the same as Sky's red button though.

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Thought skys red button was mainly for extra matches these days (and sky bet?:D)

With 38 games i cannot see BT needing much to be on red button unless for something like fanzone.

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Red button interactive and TV apps will die in my opinion and give way to extra content/functions on companion devices , the current Sky F1 companion app on iPad gives you stats , live race , driver cams , highlights/replays , twitter updates all without disturbing the race on the main screen.

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Not quite sure i agree mate i think companion devices will be an important source of extra info, but i still think TV apps red button will still be important simply for the reason not everybody will want a plethora of devices.

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No MM l think you underestimate the fact that there are many people who do like Red button interactive services and TV apps and l for one expect this area to continue to grow in the coming years and it will certainly not die in my humble opinion.

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I completely agree, Companion Apps or "Second screen" devices are the future.

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Yes they will be for some customers certainly but not all.

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Well it seems that where thy master goes the loyal servant seems to follow and like thy master he is very much wrong again.;):D

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Time will tell, even new TV's can communicate with tablets and phones. Second screens are the future. TiVo is ok, but red button and TV apps were good and news in 2002 through 2011. Its time for change.

I still remember the Apps on my Telewest Digital STB including Email, shopping,games, chatrooms, dating sites....Time to move forward now.

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I'm not meaning short term however looking longer term it offers a much more easy and intuitive way of viewing extra content , social feeds , replays etc without compromising your TV viewing on the main screen. Try googling Smart glass , Microsoft and Xbox are also getting in on the act , VM are to release the excellent TIVO iPad app and Sky have teamed up with Zeebox , even the BBC were looking into it.

I agree the red button has certain uses , match choice being one however my problem is when going from a HD broadcast and pressing red you have a delay for everything to load , then you switch to say driver cam and are presented with a poor quality SD feed , that's why I believe the companion devices are better as it allows you to keep the main HD broadcast on your TV without waiting then switching to SD.

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On Sky driver cam via the red button is in HD.:D

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Wrong again.:p::D

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...ns-His-Answers

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An hd camera wouldn't cope with the stress it would be under attached to an f1 car.

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http://recombu.com/digital/news/f1-2012-the-best-way-to-watch---monaco-edition_M10142.html




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I have watched it and trust me ITS IN HD.

What? where you people get this stuff from?

You lot really need to get update, some of you are stuck in 2002.

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I'd hope a "technically superior network" can do rather better than a one-way broadcast with dial-up.

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Do you mean the 80Mb download 20Mb upload of Sky broadband pro?

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So to prove that driver Cam is in hd you've chosen a link to a random article over the link Den posted which is Sky, themselves, saying that it isn't?

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I watch it ,its in HD its a fact. On the race they mention every 30 seconds about how you can watch EG Lewis Hamilton on board in HD via the red button.

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Well that's a better argument than a link to a hack piece on a consumer website, and I haven't seen it so I can't really argue back, but it still doesn't answer why Sky themselves say it isn't, nor why it's not in hd on the BBC (who, by the way, are responsible for the suggestion that an hd camera wouldn't last on an f1 car) despite it presumably being the same feed provided by Formula One Management (except probably for the British and German races, I guess). Both Sky and the BBC say this feed isn't in hd.

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Well I Now Do Understand People Debating Everything Needing Proof Here Or Needing Explaining, over and over but I'm always right ;)

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You mean you are always wrong as from where l am looking you are very much tied to the yoke of your masters and read your script accordingly.:)

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I'm quite partial to a nice soft boiled egg yoke with soldiers,mmmm

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Your as sharp as a tack, Telly Bear. :D

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...e-tv-deal.html

"Alongside driving up satellite TV subscriptions, Sky also intends to unlock more revenues from the Premier League rights by making the coverage available on a pay-as-you-view basis via its new NOW TV service.

The internet-delivered offering will launch later in the year, as part of Sky's strategy to monetise its expensively acquired content among people who do not want pay-TV."

That to me sounds like SKY will be offering Premiership football on a PPV basis. Couldn't BT do the same with the rights for the games they've landed? Offer the games on a linear basis on their own platform but PPV on SKY, Virgin and Freeview?

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we need new thread....what is BT going to do with EPL rights

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we need this threads title to be updated

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I thought that's what the update in brackets meant, otherwise the title is moot.

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I think it means non sky customers can access games online on a game by game basis rather than a monthly subscription to Sky Go. I don't think it'll be ppv on normal TV platforms because the rights sale wasn't for ppv rights.

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I didn't know anything about now TV until just now-intrigued now though, because on the face of it TiVo would appear to be just the sort of connected device to help you make the most of the service, and it would also increase potential revenue streams for Sky. What are the chances?

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NowTV will be available on a multitude of devices that's mainly the reason behind Sky's purchase of Acetrax. The service is likely to be available on connected TV's/Blu Ray , iPad/iPhone , games consoles. The service will be available starting initially with movies then expanding to sport and entertainment.

http://corporate.sky.com/media/press...es/2012/now_tv

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Cheers! Actually I have a games console connected as well so not the biggest deal for me if it comes to TiVo. You can keep Sky Go and all the rest of it-I've genuinely no interest. NOW TV looks really innovative though-credit where it's due. If it's priced well I'll almost certainly be dipping in.

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Now TV is the (faint) hope that I've held for a while now, that it would be a way that we non Sky customers could get access to Sky Atlantic; I'm hoping that they include it as a subscription option at a reasonable price.

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I would think you'll be able to get Sky Atlantic content via NOWTV,As once you sign up to NowTV you're no longer a "none Sky customer" and become a direct SkyTV customer.

The NowTV website is upby the way, just with a place holder.

ESPN sport line up is nowhere near as good as Setantas was

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So you're interested in NOW-TV but not Skygo?

Skygo is an internet TV service that's free to all Sky customers, I don't understand how you wouldn't be interested in SkyGo but think Now-TV(Basically BT-Visions model with more Sky content) is innovative.

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Can't speak for Andy but for me that would be because I am not a Sky customer and am happy with my Virgin package. However, I am not doctrinaire and would happily buy occasional content if it was at the right price.

Simples!