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hmm..... it's blocked on firefox and ie but it is not blocked on opera turbo...

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Oh yeah I know that you can use a proxy but I'm interested in a VPN after all this talk of the internet being censored and people being sued etc. It's easier than a seedbox and probably more useful.

Opera turbo uses a third party server to compress data so that's why it works on there. Quite a nice idea for a good free, fast proxy!

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as i can still access tpb via my bt connection at work (mon 7th) . it begs the question, why were virgin so quick with implementing the block. where's the fire mr branson.

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It's called a court order. Why are BT being so slow? Also, Mr Branson has nothing to with it.

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VM's network cannot handle the traffic they've probably seen this as a bit of relief and couldn't wait to employ it ;)


As for people asking about VPN's These are ones I've used and have had very little problem with.

StrongVPN, US company, keeps logs but is an excellent service I used them for a few months and had no problem watching Hulu and NetFlix. The US NetFlix service is head and shoulders above the UK version, shame my credit card details wouldn't work after the free month. :D

Anonine, Swedish company I've got a three month OpenVPN subscription with these at the moment. I also tried the PPTP subscription for my iPad, unfortunately I messed up when ordering the PPTP service and basically they haven't answered my emails! According to the website they don't keep logs.

VPNTunnel.se again a Swedish company and I have had an a OpenVPN account with them for about 6 months. They also don't answer emails! and according to the website they don't keep logs.

You could also order a VPS from any of the UK suppliers and install a proxy and or OpenVPN, I'm not that familiar with Linux and managed to do it in and hour or so, there's plenty of help on the web. This may only be a short term solution as I don't know if UK VPS service providers will have to start blocking sites like the ISP's.

I have also tried a few free providers my advice on those would be not to bother.

I would also suggest using FireFox as your main browser with HTTPS Everywhere and Ghostery installed.

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Seems an awful amount of effort for what ?

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Not having to pay for something....;)

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Ah so you pay for a VPN not to pay for something else = genius

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Not me - others, perhaps...

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No I didn't mean you, I was just posing the question.

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What a low blow!

You are not a believer of online privacy and security? (a rhetoric question...)

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

But in this case, privacy and security have nothing to do with it. People want to access TPB to download "illegal" TV shows, etc.

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You do realise that P2P filesharing actually has legitimate uses. There are thousands of artists sharing their own copyrighted media. One of my servers in the UK runs a seedbox and trust me there's no copyrighted material on that. I also run a ShoutCast radio station and again all the music on there is from independent artists who own the copyright which I would argue is as good as anything the signed artists are doing in the genre. Infact I had to remove one of the artists CD's because he got signed.

How about 37GB of free music or maybe you want to watch a movie for free. I'll leave the reader ponder what films would now be available on the last site under sensible copyright laws, hint go on IMDB and type in 1982. (Note to mods these sites do not link to copyrighted material.)

Oh and VPN = privacy.

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you might as well shout at the wind ,Torrents = illegal downloading to most people ,they forget or don't realise that P2P is a very efficient way of sharing files.

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not all the time

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_wtf_, what does your post have to do with VPN - which is what vmfriend was discussing.

Your example is how P2P can be used to access material legitimately - people appear to be asking how to access a VPN to access material which doesn't appear to have the copyright holders permission to be distributed; two completely different things.

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No, not all* of the time....;)



*but probably a very large percentage of the time.....:D

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Will be really interesting to see stats for UK Pirate Bay and BitTorrent usage in the next few months.

Personally I'd say it has helped me discover even more useful BT sites to download from. While looking for the simplest and easiest way around the block I found lots of new sites and discovered a whole load of stuff to download I hadn't seen before. I suppose you become a bit myopic when you use just one or two sites all the time. Setting up Tor also gave me something to do over the weekend, although it turned out to be a ten minute job.

Thanks PRS.

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not going to deny that ,which takes me back to my earlier point of how illegal filesharing via TPB and other sites in the name of internet freedom has given the government the need or opportunity(depends on point of view)to censor the web.As has been mentioned already ,sites like TPB would be a fantastic platform for new artists of all genres but getting hijacked and used as a source for illegal music and films has ruined that .
Having said that it could be argued that the popularity of TPB is purely down to it's ability to supply said illegal files

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From whom?

So your ISP can't monitor you but then your VPN provider can.

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There's VPN providers that have setup their network architecture so that they cannot identify who accesses what. It's not that they don't keep logs it's that the technology means multiple users share IP addresses or something similar.

It's also useful for circumventing your ISP's traffic management policies if that's what you want to do.

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Your ISP also had set up your network architecture so they cannot identify who accesses what, until the law told them they had to do otherwise.

VPN providers are still subject to the law.

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Wouldn't that be an oxymoron!

Realistically I doubt that, currently, any VPN provider would be that interested in the cost of a full on monitoring system.

I've set up my own OpenVPN server and proxy server on a VPS in the UK. I don't know if or how much the VPS or dedicated server providers monitor traffic beyond that used for billing. I'm guessing they wouldn't be that interested unless the server came to the attention of the authorities. Maybe you know differently?

Yes but the law of the country the servers are in. The VPN providers I listed earlier do log in the countries that require it by law.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

In other words they brought in on themselves :) A good post, marty.

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Of their country yes. Depends where the internet access breaks out of and where the company is registered.

And also if there's no technical way they can do it you can't do anything; with ISP's it's pretty trivial.

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Umm...

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bit...isnt-good-idea

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Look carefully and PB is not the only site blocked that evokes Virgins kind message.

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most piracy is due to lack of availability. But I find it funny others keep thinking otherwise. :) Note how someone has even said in this very thread how poor the UK version of netflix is compared to the US version. The media companies are hooked onto regional distribution models.

The cat and mouse game continues tho, the lost MPAA/RIAA will keep spending money making MP's rich to get dodgy laws passed, and everyone else meanwhile will go underground so they can no longer even monitor things again like the 80s. When they stop been able to monitor it they will think its fixed.

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If most piracy is due to lack of availability, how come so many people (including some on this forum) download programmes from the US which are shown in the UK a few days later?

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Because its not available in the uk for 3 days. your question had the answer in it.

TV show downloads get 90% of their traffic within 24 hours of air time.

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Ooooh - three days.....

Perhaps if people had more patience, there would be less monitoring/blocking - we don't need everything now.

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There are lots of reasons to download TV shows.

I'll download UK TV shows so I can watch them on a TV that isn't connected to my FoxSat box at a time of my choice. If I could transfer FoxSat HD programs to an alternate disk easily I'd probably do that instead. I also forget to watch or record stuff and downloading an HD mkv version gives much better quality than iPlayer can.

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You are confusing two different things. As well as guarding privacy a TOR proxy will bypass the VM IP block which is what this thread is about rather than privacy.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

yes noone has patience :)

of course some stuff isnt available full stop, eg. I am guilty of downloading past F1 races which I could not find available commercially at all.

Same with football games, they usually cannot be purchased after the live event.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

So what are the other sites

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Don't worry, I only use it to access web sites that are blocked and when I want privacy (so all the time then...), not for torrents.

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Never bothered with the pirate sites; too limiting. I find what I want at isohunt.com or using the Vuze search engine. BtGuard, slows my torrent download speeds a bit, but even 3d films of 40Gb are in my hands within 24 hours.

I guess isohunt and similar search sites will be targeted next. Even so they will never stop sharing. Torrents are location free.

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It's easier. They come in a handy format ready for my media centre and thanks to RSS feeds download automatically and area ready when I get home from work. If I wait for them to be shown here I have to program the PVR, then strip out to skip the annoying ads.

It's all just degrees. I never watch ads because I find them insulting and utterly banal. If the media companies had their way your armchair would strap you in every time an ad break came on and force your eyes open. After all ads are their revenue stream so getting up to make a cut of tea is stealing money from them.

Somehow TV seems to be surviving the piracy, PVR and tea-making onslaught. Avengers just broke the record for most money taken on the opening weekend. Adele just passed Michael Jackson's Bad for album sales. If anything you could conclude that piracy seems to increase revenues.

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Technology shows us we don't need to have patience.

But, it's really only about an industry that is losing it's power trying to control it's competitors. It's 9:45pm and we're not in a cinema or watching TV, so I guess we must be pirates.


They're basically my reason for cancelling my cable, 30% of any hour is adverts. Take a look at the runtime of a show like M.A.S.H. Then look at The Big Bang Theory they've managed to get an extra 5 minutes in in the last 30 years.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

Good question.Seems it's also down to lack of patience from the I want it all and I want it all NOW generations.;)

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Did you see the story of the 92 year old veteran copying dvd's for the American soldiers on tours of duty. Some people never mind their age just get technology ;)

Bold writing in

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Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

hmm i a normaly against the "want it now" thing but on this i would say if i didnt have to try and avoid all spoilers ( something you try to do here ) from all the media friends ect the wanting at the same time as the states wouldnt be a problem

also if virgin sky etc made it easier to move programs to other devices it would help too. but hey why should i be able to watch other than on the main tv later than shown. sky go is a start but not as good as other sources yet

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Nice irrelevant straw man argument....;)

Some people, no matter their age, just get copyright infringement.....

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See many 92 year old up on copyright infringement do you?;) I'm nearly 60 myself and I get technology and copyright.
The Want it now generation isn't mine..I am currently saving my 2 quid coins to buy a new PC.At the rate I'm going it's going to be another 2 years and I can do it without downloading copyrighted product for free.;)

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He actually knew what he was doing could lead to a civil case, i.e. not a criminal case. It's the reason why he would never take any money and actually ended up spending $30,000 of his own money. Quite a few people, never mind their age, wouldn't have know that. It will be interesting to see if the media industry decides to take him to court.


It's not about the 'want it now' generation it's about using technology to it's fullest, let's also not forget new technology usually means things get cheaper. It's also about realising that the human race can now communicate on a level that has changed us in ways we don't even know yet. When a global protest can literally finish of a well known charity or get governments to drop policies then the public finally have something better than the corrupt system that has evolved.


We are all saving for something even the 'want it now' generation have to pay for hardware ;)



Here's a question to everyone.

Is it legal to make back up copies of your DVD/Blu-Ray collection?

If you answer yes why? If you answer no why not?

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Yet in your reply you mention copyright theft, I'm assuning a typo and correcting it, even though there is no such thing in UK or even US law as 'copyright theft' because that would obviously make it a criminal not civil case. Even though I point out that distinction in my reply to your question on how many 92 year olds I'm aware of that know this you still use an incorrect term that's perpetuated by the media industry. The point I'm trying to make is ordinary people don't understand copyright law and simply regurgitate terms the copyright owners want you to.

Wish you had answered my question.

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In the eyes of the law, no its not legal. The UK has only a limited "fair use" clause in law and that does not allow for archiving, copying or backing up of copyright media.

The law says "Producing a back up copy for personal use of a computer program.", note, of a computer program. It does not have any allowance for the backing up of audio/visual media. This is a common misconception.

The licence on the dvd/blueray does not allow for this either.

The law is old and outdated, but it is still the law. There have been many campaigns to get it updated to allow the backing up of audio-visual entertainment media, but none have come to fruition yet.

Moralistically, I do believe it should be allowed.

It must be noted that the law doesn't allow for the transcoding of your media to your mp3 players or tablets either.

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Slightly OT, but wasn't law changed (or at least relaxed) recently with regards to CDs/MP3s so that you can now legally rip them for personal use?

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Who cares about the specifics? :rolleyes: Whether criminal law or civil law, a law has been broken.

You can hide behind semantics all you want, _wtf_ but downloading something you do not have the rights to do so is wrong. End of story.

Imagine you were a musician relying on income from your job. But you don't get paid. Instead, people just download your stuff against civil law. How would you feel? Now imagine you're a film company who has spent hundreds of thousands on a big, popular film. You should really be making your money back, but it's pirated so much that it doesn't make as much as it should. Is that good or bad for your business?

Yet the law is still the law and should not be broken.

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Semantics.If you make off with my art work without paying me it is theft. Just because it is in digital form makes it no less a crime.Stealing flowers from my front garden is theft,stealing,nicking taking my intellectual property without permission is theft,stealing,nicking. You can use all the examples,situations and clarifications of the law as you like...artists will still regard what you do in not paying for what you have downloaded of their intellectual property as theft.

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ISTR reading that some remote tribesmen used to regard taking their photographs as theft of their souls - still doesn't alter the fact that nothing was physically taken and so the law does differentiate between theft and copyright infringement. It even only regards taking and driving away a car to be theft if the intent was to permanently deprive the owner of the vehicle - TDA <> theft in the eyes of the law.

Anyway - back closer to topic - blocking TPB will not make one iota of difference to the amount of copyright infringement but will increase the amount of BS being posted on forums on the subject enormously.

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If you steal one of my paintings it is still theft whether it is in digital or physical form I will still chase you through every avenue open to me and you can hide behind as much semantics as you like..eventually I will get what is due to me.

If folk are not prepared to see this then you will get the situation we have here where actions that restrict the freedom of the internet are instigated. by those who are having their intellectual product stolen,copied and used without permission.
What is needed is for everyone to respect that artists have a right to make money from their product and no one in the world has the right not to PAY them for that product.

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Fair enough that's your view and indeed the view of many but it still doesn't alter the fact that illicit downloads are rife, probably the major driver for faster internet, and blocking TPB will have no effect on any of that at all.

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I hope it makes people look for alternatives and especially if they can find a few PRIVATE trackers. That way they will be far safer than using a public tracker as well known and as well watched as the pirate bay.

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All the products in question i.e films ,music etc are intended for public consumption .The owners of such property give people rights to that product in exchange for money so the semantics are very important ,it is not theft ,it cannot be theft ,it may be ,under certain circumstances copyright infringement ,but definately not theft .The distinction is important and the very reason why we have copyright laws

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This was reported in August last year. I'll try to find if/when it will or has been passed, unlike others I wouldn't want to just rely on my common sense. Isn't copyright law fun? Especially as half the lawyers involved in it don't seem to understand it either.

In answer to my own question. I personally would have gone with yes purely on the fact that you can purchase so many different software programs to do it. Seeing how the MPAA/RIAA destroy companies that are even suspected of illegally affecting their business model surely these companies would not be in existence.

Update: Still not passed as this from last month says.

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Are the media moguls still watching? I thought all that stopped when ACS Law had their own collar felt and went down the tubes big time.

My major gripe with torrents is that it seems idiots seem to be smart enough to use VPNs (or VM's shaping is totally useless) yet not smart enough to avoid seeding flat out 24x7 and completely naffing up my connection forcing me away from VM who I was perfectly satisfied with until they started selling high speed unlimited without realising buyers would take that at face value. They even junked the last ditch protection of "detrimental usage" threats.

I personally don't use torrents, never have, never will. That's not some moral stand - I just think they are far far better ways of acquiring content (for better read faster and for want of a better word safer).

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)
 

tue 8th lunchtime, tpb still accessible via bt broadband.

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So because it's not theft in the eyes of the law it is OK to take and use without paying for the product?Is that what you are saying?Because I'm very confused as to what you are saying.

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I don't use Torrents they are insecure and are to damaging to the network with there seeding system. I have far better options for downloading and they are far more secure.

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The Avengers had the most successful first weekend in US movie history with over $207 million. It broke the record set by Harry Potter last year by more than $30 million. It must be getting awful hard for the MPAA to keep a straight face when they force ISP's to block TPB because it's killing the movie industry, even the UK figures are quite amazing.

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Are you saying that it is alright to pirate such a film because the producers make lots of money from people watching it?

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No Maggie :rolleyes: ,i am pointing out that it is not theft and the semantics are very important for obvious reasons .

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Nope. What I am saying that civil liberties that have taken hundreds of years to achieve should not be thrown out the window because of an industry that gets laws passed by clearly distorting and misrepresenting the facts to the legislators and the governments.

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Nobodies saying that Maggie ,WTF is just highliting the stupidity of film and music companies in constantly pleading poverty because the pirates have stolen their money and using that as an excuse to get governments involved in a civil matter .

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.. and via VM broadband using any one of dozens if not hundreds if not thousands of proxies - some general and some set up specifically for the purpose. In all a totally pointless exercise that costs ISP (and so their customers) money and achieves nothing other than publicity for TPB and ridicule for the copyright holders, ISPs, and far more importantly the law of the land. We really could do without these demonstrations of how antiquated and out of touch our legislators are with technology.

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Got to love it when people use an exceptional circumstance as a general guideline.....

If all movies made the sort of money that the Harry Potter series or Avengers Assemble made, the producers would have a weaker fiscal case (but not ethical, imho, but that doesn't seem to bother many people) - however, as we all know, this is not the case (John Carter, Catwoman, Cutthroat Island, and Final Fantasy for example....).

Also, what people seem to forget is that most programmes are funded by sales to broadcasters, and the broadcasters are funded (usually) by the advertising revenue they raise when people watch these programmes on TV, so if the programmes are downloaded, and then not watched on television, the ratings go down, the advertisers pull out, the series gets canned - so, in essence, keep up the downloading and have less TV series (except *shudder* Reality TV series, which are cheap to produce).

However, in the end, it is an, imho, ethical decision - for a long time I wrote business software (IBM Mid-range, payroll, accounts, logistics, etc); if someone had just decided to copy that and use it without our permission, I, and hundreds of others, would have been out of a job, and I have carried that viewpoint over to the present day - if I want something, I pay for it (unless the producer/copyright owner states that I can have it for free).

At the end of the day, we are talking about media (TV, music, films, etc) - not basic sustenance issues like shelter, food, water, warmth.

The over explosion of freetarding has given corporations and governments the stick with which to beat the internet with - thanks a lot, guys, for this application of the law of unintended consequences. As Robert A Heinlein stated, "TANSTAAFL" - everntually, someone has to pay.

YMMV.

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And of course, the people doing the illegal downloading have no responsibility whatsoever.......:dozey:

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Maggy it works both ways.

You asking a queston with an obvious answer.

However is it ok to massage figures to get dodgy laws passed, eg. claiming every download is a lost sale, meaning someone on the dole who has downloaded £1000 woth of content in a week would have obviously otherwise brought that £1000 of content out of their dole?

Its not ok to download something that you have no legal right to. However its also not ok to blatantly lie to get laws passed and even in some cases put own content on torrents for the purpose of them claiming for damages of the people downloading it. Having a business plan to basically profit of copyright infringement.

I also think its wrong to enforce copyright on something that has no commercial value anymore or at the very least isnt been actively sold.

So its wrong both sides of the fence.

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What sort of punishment is there for downloading a film via piratebay? Not sharing or distributing. Just downlaoding and watching?

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none

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? I thought it was illegal?

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Copyright is about more than the commercial value of the work. It's about the right of the owner to decide if, and how, their work is used. I don't think it's tenable to claim that copyright should lapse when something ceases to have commercial value (not least because it would be very difficult to determine whether something might gain commercial value again in the future - things do go in and out of fashion).

There are dirty tricks being perpetrated by the big rights owners in the pursuit of 'lost sales' but the correct response is for the courts to take a more nuanced view of the actual financial loss incurred due to file sharing.

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If you admit it then lots of stick from holier-than-thou types on forums.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if TPB is a Torrent site, then you are sharing/distributing when downloading?

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:clap:

A voice of reason.

My feelings are that the media companies have wasted a large amount of money on a failed course of action. They wanted the TPB blocked and all they did was have it blocked for a couple of hours before the block was bypassed. What they have done is raise the awareness of TPB and that its easy to get stuff from that site.

They would have been far better spending the money on more ways to set up legally downloadable content.

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The last Labour government proposed amending the CDPA 1988 to formally allow 'format shifting' but the proposal never made it into law. It is still technically an infringement to rip your CD collection and load it onto an iPod. However, personal ripping is a civil, rather than a criminal matter and as it would be impossible for any rights holder to show any significant financial loss as a result of an individual's iPod use, pursuing such a claim would be pointless and counterproductive.

The main reason for bothering to make the proposed 'format shifting' amendment would be on the principle that laws people routinely flout result in a general lack of respect for the concept of law. It is sometimes better to change the law in such cases.

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It is against civil law ,but the only way they can enforce it is to shut the Internet down ,which is what this thread is all about ,Why are the courts /government getting involved in a civil issue ,and why block access to only one site .Civil cases should only affect the 2 parties concerned not thousands of innocent people

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I see. I guess then you become a distributer as soon as you download.

Thanks.

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None, but it's impossible to do that because of the nature of P2P filesharing. You join a swarm and start uploading as well as downloading.


Nope, downloading copyrighted files found on TPB would get you a civil court case if caught but as mentioned several times there's a lot of files on TPB that are not copyrighted. P2P filesharing has many uses. How about 37GB of free music or maybe you want to watch a movie for free. (Note to mods these are links to noncopyrighted material)

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A couple of hours Sirius?, more like ten minutes. Which goes to show how wrong their approach is regarding piracy. The "powers that be" are clearly clueless.

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correct ,Utorrent doesn't allow you to not seed(upload) the minimum is 5kpbs ,i don't know about other clients but i suspect they are all the same

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I think that's why only some movies are called blockbusters.

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Been saying that for years

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So what about these newsgroup things? (I genuinely don't have a clue here). Are they just downlaoding content? Or is it the same concept, where you have to share if you take?

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Seriously? Worst analogy ever. :rolleyes:

Then I shall either start or join a campaign to get that law changed as it is obviously ridiculous.

As we've noticed ;)

If you download it from TPB (or wherever) then you how are you paying them for it? You know, the biit in bold of your statement.

Seems like they might be saying exactly that. But what about the indy producer who isn't making millions? Though I don't suppose their films will be pirated so there's nothing to worry about.

Or something like that :rolleyes:

The one flaw in this specific example is that the film isn't even available on disc yet. (And are people so desperate that they will still watch a dodgy, "cam-corded off the cinema screen" copy? :()

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So you decide artwork I produce has no commercial value so you don't need to pay for..whereas I feel it does have commercial value so I want paying before you walk off with it.

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... which is why we have a separate offence of Taking WithOut Consent (TWOCing, in the vernacular). Also why there is now an offence of fraud for using a chipped box or some other means to get cable/satellite TV without paying. Neither of these is theft as defined by the theft act, but both are still offences and the victim in either case is liable to refer to the act as 'theft'.

Personally I think it's unhelpful for organisations like FACT (the Federation Against Copyright Theft) to keep banging on with the T-word when it doesn't apply; it might keep some of the casual downloaders at bay but all the hardened freetards simply use it as an excuse for a good old fashioned strawman argument about inappropriate use of the word "theft".

The point is, the activity is prohibited by law and there are civil or criminal penalties awaiting those caught doing it.

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Guilty as charged but I can't resist it because I really can't take this topic seriously.

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no idea mate ,i don't use them,i download the odd tv show

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I wish they would get on with sorting out these anomalies in the law before the freedom of the internet is completely eroded away..I personally intend on paying my way and making sure that the artists who produce the work I like get the remuneration they deserve so they can produce more of the same.

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you dont think its tenable but thats exactly how originally copyright was brought about. it originally lasted a few years only and whenever it ceased to have commercial value content was freely distributed.

now days its gone crazy lasting for many lifetimes and been enforced when there is no clear loss of revenue. this of course makes copyright infringement shoot up as copyright lasts much longer.

are we talking about whats moral or technically wrong?

both sides are doing lots morally wrong.

technically tho its not illegal to download copyright content only to distribute it.

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Indeed so. Of course the number caught is a vanishingly small proportion of those downloading. Time somebody changed their tactics if they are serious about reducing the amount of unlawful downloading because the current ones simply don't seem to be working.

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I agree on the artists but if you checked into what you saying you would find the biggest culplrit of their earnings is the record labels not piracy.

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How many times have people said that about the Tate Galleries Exhibitions?

Seriously, I took that comment to mean that when a CD/DVD is no longer being sold then maybe it should be placed in the public domain.


Yet there's not when a CEO openly rants that politicians are not staying bought?

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Too true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ync1u2Qw5c8

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Indeed.

Just to go OT slightly, this is currently the 'problem' with the BBC's iPlayer.

You can, quite legally, not pay for your TV Licence but still watch anything (that isn't 'live') via iPlayer. Now, if this remains the case and too many people do that, where's the funding going to come from for new programmes.

Sorry. Just a tangential thought :)


However, in the end, it is an, imho, ethical decision - for a long time I wrote business software (IBM Mid-range, payroll, accounts, logistics, etc); if someone had just decided to copy that and use it without our permission, I, and hundreds of others, would have been out of a job, and I have carried that viewpoint over to the present day - if I want something, I pay for it (unless the producer/copyright owner states that I can have it for free).

At the end of the day, we are talking about media (TV, music, films, etc) - not basic sustenance issues like shelter, food, water, warmth.

The over explosion of freetarding has given corporations and governments the stick with which to beat the internet with - thanks a lot, guys, for this application of the law of unintended consequences. As Robert A Heinlein stated, "TANSTAAFL" - everntually, someone has to pay.

YMMV.

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And of course, the people doing the illegal downloading have no responsibility whatsoever.......:dozey:[/QUOTE]

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Fully agree.

Me too hence my LoveFilm and Netflix subscriptions.

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You might want to tell a few people on this forum (eg _wtf_) that :)

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Maybe it's already been paid for ,maybe the downloader has paid a tv subscription or bought the DVD/CD and simply wants a backup .If i purchase a CD from i tunes i believe i can download it again in the event that the original ipod gets nicked or damaged ,is their that much difference ?

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Indeed for some it was seconds :LOL:

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No. Newsgroups are download only.

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Well I think a successful LIVING artist has EVERY RIGHT to ensure that his immediate family get the benefit of his/her hard work..But I do take your view that extended copyright that is owned by those who have had no input into the finished product is unfair..

Though there are some cases where I think there should be exceptions.Such as the rights to Peter Pan being retained by Great Ormand Street Hospital or national/local museums with public money being allowed to charge copyright for usage of the famous artworks in their possession to pay for the upkeep of said artwork and the museum buildings.

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So presumably, jusging by what some peopel have said, they are not illegal? If the content is not shared or distributed?