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they wouldn't have it for free. its been suggested for VM customers like BT has theres for BT customers

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Main problem is the legal position surely?

Normal guest networks generate traffic on your own connection, so an activity is your responsibility.

So for a 'free hotspot' to work properly it has to be obviously separate from your own usage.

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Just as an anecdote, I was recently in Toronto and my phone didn't work (at all - forgot to tell 3 I needed to roam), but most places around me had free Wi-fi so I was never really out of touch at all. It was definitely a plus point on the whole trip and I do believe a few cities around the world are trying to roll out free Wi-fi for everyone as well. So it's not such a ridiculous idea. I do agree though that there is an element of "why should I pay for this and give it for free?".

The legal position is a funny one, I don't think there's an answer to it yet. It boils down to "does an IP address identify a person?" and the jury is out on that one. I have heard the argument that if you want to do something dodgy on your connection, to leave a wireless network open so you've got deniability of it all but I've got no idea how that would hold up in court.

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I can get on BT networks and I am not a BT customer. How? Because they allow you to text a code and pay to get on the network. So BT make profit from customers not realising that their router contributes to the Openzone stuff.

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still paying though. its not being accessed for free.

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They are paying BT, not you (the router owner/bill payer), which is my point. BT are profiting from your connection which you pay for.

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they should offer a discount or perk of some sort

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Don't you get access to the network of hotspots?

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true but people are still moaning

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And that's exactly how BT do it.

The 'free hotspot' that BT runs on their Home Hubs are firstly separated from your home network and secondly tunnelled via a separate, encrypted tunnel with its own isolated bandwidth to a BT commercial gateway, so it doesn't even appear to be coming from your ISP let alone your IP.

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If you want to do it yourself - that may apply.

As the proposal is this is being done by the internet provider, communication providers have exemptions under law provided they follow given procedures.

Since it's the ISP and not you that's doing it, the ISP has liability and as mentioned that liability is limited anyway.

In other words, legally, it's got nothing to do with you so nothing for you to worry about.

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The ability to pick wifi up without having to stand over the router ;)

My parents wifi coverage was that bad after their recent installation of 60mb service that they've put it in modem mode and are using an old N router , totally unacceptable.

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Not "totally unacceptable", surely. Modem mode is the escape route and using an old N router didn't mean laying out any more dosh.

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I've ended up using a adsl n router I found in a charity shop ;) as an access point

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VM laid out more dosh and your service costs more as a result

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Yet by having fewer different modem types, they pay less for firmware updates and have less training to do so there are money savings to be made as well.

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they shouldnt be paying anything for the updates judging by the fails

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You mean more.

They only have one modem type.

By having one modem type with tons of superfluous features they pay more for firmware updates and training than by having the same modem without them. And way more than for the same modem with standard stock firmware that costs zero.

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how much do you reckon VM pay for firmwares? is it not included in the contract ?

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Too much, if they build their business case on not doing it more than once...

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lets hope a lesson has been learnt then. Somebody should write a paper on it for the isp world and let it serve as an example on how things can go so terribly wrong

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Normally I'd volunteer but the actuarial life expectancy would typically preclude most readers from actually completing the entire reading…. :(

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lol

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A paper Horse, not a complete Encyclopædia!:D

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A sentance, Horse, not a paper!

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Back to talking about the SuperHub 2

Does anyone have anymore information on the rumoured spec? I read somewhere that the people who are in the SH 2 trial are in an NDA until the 25th March, which has passed.

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This won't be confirmed or denied. In other words you won't be getting the spec any time soon...

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Wrong month, 25th of next month, maybe

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Actually my bad...

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The smart money would be on that being out of date. Otherwise you would have seen a flood of posts about it by now.

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http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1811516

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Can anyone tell me if the new model can operate 2.4ghz & 5ghz simultaneously as I now have hardware that uses both and switching over when needed is a pain.
I know dongles can be used but having it available from the Superhub would be good.

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Always worth a read through the thread/forum. You'll find the words of the great thenry here which will answer your question.

It will be ready when its ready, that's all anybody outside of testing and the trial needs to know as trailists are not allowed to confirm or deny things and should not really be involving themselves in discussions

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Who is in your sights with that pompous remark above?

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NDA Expiry: 25th March
Todays Date : 29th March

Great, so let's hear it trialists! Is it good, bad or ugly?

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its thenry :D

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Cant be that bad :D

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What a pain.

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If the 25th March date has changed, then the NDA will probably stop anyone on the trial from saying if it's changed or not ;). I'm sure when people on the trial are free to talk this thread will be updated PDQ.

Cheers

Grim

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the nda says we cant discuss the experience of the superhub. we can say that we havent received them yet

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I see a future of great stock management for these guys...

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Now now, children...

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Triallists joined by their own free will and can say or do anything they want to, including leaving the trial at any point.

They also retain the right to free speech and can involve themselves in any discussion they choose to.

Course if they choose not to because the man doesn't want them to, that's their choice. Nobody needs to know or do anything.

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Qasi - the ultimate democrat!

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can you stop doing that

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Must be a keyboard glitch that prevents me from stopping doing that. Thorry.

BTW, unless they've added antennae to each spatial stream, I'm sceptical of there being wireless improvements. At the moment I've got the SH1 in a high position in a different room from original. In router mode, the range is reasonable as compared with my various routers.

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It's simultaneous dual band, which requires a whole new wireless chip entirely. That in itself could make a big difference although depends on what your definition of "improvement" is.

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Well, if, for example it's 2 antennae for each of 2.4/5GHz, then the 2.4 still would have two antennae as at present. They'd have to do something good with those antennae to improve range (my definition in this case).

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Fixed for you :P

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Not necessarily. Plenty of routers with only 2 antennas per band have "better range" than the Superhub according to the many people here who keep recommending them. RT-N56u, Tenda N16, WRT400N, DIR-615, Tl-WDR4300, etc.

Plus, many routers with 3 antenna only use as many as your client device has, so only 1 antenna gets used for most phones/tablets and 2 for most laptops.

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The ports are on the rear of the super hub 2 if this helps.

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All ports are on the rear of the Super Hub 2 if this helps.

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Well i had a Super Hub 2 installed when i upgraded to 152 meg broadband speed
i used to have the first Super Hub before that and was running 120meg speed.