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Alan Fry 06-03-2012 09:16
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35393374)
Lol the government made us do it, reminded me of that open letter the other week where a load of people asked for the 50p tax rate to be dropped as it was causing them to avoid tax and not give as much to charity and I wasn't talking about Ken in particular but normal self employed tax payers here that seem to have the idea that them claiming for allowances puts them in the same catagory as the pearson group and the like.

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You ARE dating Anne Hathaway then?
No, I am not dating Anne Hathaway, becuase I am already married!

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35393488)
:rolleyes:

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No your fantasising

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Seconded.

We are now see the real Alan Fry emerging. Definitely a member of the "Whats yours is mine and whats mine is my own" Clan.
I am not a member of the 1% and I am not a member of "Whats yours is mine and whats mine is my own" Clan

This is nothing more that an attempt to move the debate away from the real issues!

Remember the only fantasists round here are people (like yourself and your friends) who defend and promote a failed economic, social and poltical system! :td:

Ramrod 06-03-2012 11:48
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I'm in the "1%".....according to the figures mentioned earlier.
I also employ 11 people at above the minimum wage. So, according to you Alan, I'm part of the problem? :dozey:

Alan Fry 06-03-2012 12:16
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35393817)
I'm in the "1%".....according to the figures mentioned earlier.
I also employ 11 people at above the minimum wage. So, according to you Alan, I'm part of the problem? :dozey:
1% in terms of income?

Im my opinon the problem are millionaires, billionaires, major companies (and their excutive leadership) and the politicians who they back (which is nearly all of them)

Hugh 06-03-2012 14:19
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You actually mean the 0.1%, but I don't suppose facts come into the equation.....

To be in the top 1%, you need to earn over £149k pa - link

btw, you may (or may not) find this article from the BBC interesting...
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Some 60% of households are net recipients from the Treasury - though it may not always feel that way. The top 10% of households contribute, on average, five times more than they get back....

....Public spending is increasingly dominated by three big spending areas: social security, health and education. Together, they took up 60% of the total spending pie in 2010-11. Back in 1978-9 that figure was 45% (source: IFS).....

...The top 1% of earners - just 300,000 people - pay 27% of all income tax....

....In 2010-11, we spent more paying interest on our national debt than we did defending the realm.....

Alan Fry 06-03-2012 15:40
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35393947)
You actually mean the 0.1%, but I don't suppose facts come into the equation.....

To be in the top 1%, you need to earn over £149k pa - link

btw, you may (or may not) find this article from the BBC interesting...
But there is still tens of billions worth of Tax Evasion each yea, around £70 Billion each year!

If we reclaimed it all beack over the past few decades, we would not need to have spending cuts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...x-evasion-cuts

martyh 06-03-2012 17:03
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394005)
But there is still tens of billions worth of Tax Evasion each yea, around £70 Billion each year!

If we reclaimed it all beack over the past few decades, we would not need to have spending cuts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...x-evasion-cuts

A new record from Alan for the most idiotic statement on CF .
Tax evasion is illegal and will always be reclaimed and sometimes even end up with the tax evader in jail.Tax avoidance is legal ,admittedly sometimes it is morally dubious but still legal so you can't reclaim it because no laws have been broken

Ramrod 06-03-2012 17:29
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394005)
But there is still tens of billions worth of Tax Evasion each yea, around £70 Billion each year!

If we reclaimed it all beack over the past few decades, we would not need to have spending cuts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...x-evasion-cuts
I disagree with some of the conclusions in that article, for example:
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That negligence is now costing us dearly. For example, Italy is losing €183bn a year to tax evasion in my estimate. Its total external debt is €1.9tn. If it had only suffered the UK's rate of evasion in the last decade then its deficit would be less than half that sum now. The same would also be true for Greece, and only slight less so for Spain. In other words, if tax evasion had been taken seriously and been tackled in these countries we would not have a crisis in the eurozone today.

Something similar could be said for the UK. The US has an evasion rate about two thirds that of the UK. If we had reduced our tax evasion rate to US levels in the last decade we might owe £200bn less in debt now. Alternatively, cuts of more than £20bn a year could be avoided in the UK economy now with our debt still being tackled at the current rate. That could prevent most of the current stress in the NHS; sixth-formers would still have maintenance allowances and we might not be facing a national strike next week.
I'm fairly certain that he's incorrect because if that extra tax had actally been collected then the governments of those countries would simply have spent it all. Just like our dear old Prudence Brown did....
.............and if snakes had legs they'd be lizards :D

Alan Fry 06-03-2012 20:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394065)
A new record from Alan for the most idiotic statement on CF .
Tax evasion is illegal and will always be reclaimed and sometimes even end up with the tax evader in jail.Tax avoidance is legal ,admittedly sometimes it is morally dubious but still legal so you can't reclaim it because no laws have been broken
Yes, but most tax evaders get a way with it, how many multi billion returns of missing tax money have happened?

Still waiting for Phillip Green to do that!

Hugh 06-03-2012 21:28
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Again, you confuse avoidance with evasion.....

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 08:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394340)
Again, you confuse avoidance with evasion.....
One is legal and one is not, but both are 100% wrong and immoral.

martyh 07-03-2012 08:48
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394432)
One is legal and one is not, but both are 100% wrong and immoral.
They most certainly are not .Am i not allowed to deduct work related expenses so i am only taxed on net income ,the same as PAYE employees or do you propose that i am taxed on gross income

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 08:55
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394437)
They most certainly are not .Am i not allowed to deduct work related expenses so i am only taxed on net income ,the same as PAYE employees or do you propose that i am taxed on gross income
In times like these, we need to tax gross as well as net income, also I agree for a mansion tax, but we should keep the 50p tax rate (in not increase it)

martyh 07-03-2012 09:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394441)
In times like these, we need to tax gross as well as net income, also I agree for a mansion tax, but we should keep the 50p tax rate (in not increase it)
Are you serious ,the unemployment that would create doesn't bear thinking about.Companies would go bancrupt overnight .

Hugh 07-03-2012 09:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394432)
One is legal and one is not, but both are 100% wrong and immoral.
Are you paying into a pension?

Do you have any ISAs?

Do you claim tax relief on any expenses incurred whilst working?

Do you buy Duty-Free goods whilst outside the EU?

If anyone in your family died recently, did you use the inheritance tax allowance?

You appear to be confusing your personal views on morality with the law - luckily, they are not the same.

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 09:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394455)
Are you paying into a pension?

Do you have any ISAs?

Do you claim tax relief on any expenses incurred whilst working?

Do you buy Duty-Free goods whilst outside the EU?

If anyone in your family died recently, did you use the inheritance tax allowance?

You appear to be confusing your personal views on morality with the law - luckily, they are not the same.
The only thing on that list is pay into a pension

Last time I checked. my business (or myself) is not based in a tax haven and I pay my taxes

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394450)
Are you serious ,the unemployment that would create doesn't bear thinking about.Companies would go bancrupt overnight .
Or they will have to get used to it, it is about time the era of the rich "never having it so good" ended

Hugh 07-03-2012 09:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394462)
The only thing on that list is pay into a pension

Last time I checked. my business (or myself) is not based in a tax haven and I pay my taxes
Do you pay yourself (or your family) dividends from the business?

So you run a business, but do not claim back appropriate expenses incurred? Very unusual....

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 09:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394466)
Do you pay yourself (or your family) dividends from the business?
I am not self employed, I work in the transport industry

Hugh 07-03-2012 09:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394467)
I am not self employed, I work in the transport industry
Thank you for the clarification.

Isn't the 40% relief you are not paying on your pension contributions avoiding paying tax?

martyh 07-03-2012 09:32
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394455)
Are you paying into a pension?

Do you have any ISAs?

Do you claim tax relief on any expenses incurred whilst working?

Do you buy Duty-Free goods whilst outside the EU?

If anyone in your family died recently, did you use the inheritance tax allowance?

You appear to be confusing your personal views on morality with the law - luckily, they are not the same.
If he works then there will be a tax threshold ,(this bits for Alans benefit)the amount he is allowed to earn before paying tax,currently around 8k i believe ,that is also a type of avoidance as are the different tax bands ,20% ,40% and 50% .He has not even considered the hardship this would cause in his ridiculous statement that we should all pay tax on gross earnings

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394467)
I am not self employed, I work in the transport industry
So you will be aware that the company you work for will deduct fuel reciepts before arriving at a figure for profit to be taxed and without doing this the company you work for would almost certainly go into liquidation

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 09:49
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394472)
If he works then there will be a tax threshold ,(this bits for Alans benefit)the amount he is allowed to earn before paying tax,currently around 8k i believe ,that is also a type of avoidance as are the different tax bands ,20% ,40% and 50% .He has not even considered the hardship this would cause in his ridiculous statement that we should all pay tax on gross earnings

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So you will be aware that the company you work for will deduct fuel reciepts before arriving at a figure for profit to be taxed and without doing this the company you work for would almost certainly go into liquidation
Companies can and will survive paying more tax, the era of the rich having a good time should end

martyh 07-03-2012 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394487)
Companies can and will survive paying more tax, the era of the rich having a good time should end
If a company pays more in tax then usually they have a increase of profit ,that's how the system works ,for a company to pay more tax without earning the profit means they will inevitably make less money so may have to lower wages or lose workers .You may want to research the difference between a companies turnover and profit

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 10:08
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394503)
If a company pays more in tax then usually they have a increase of profit ,that's how the system works ,for a company to pay more tax without earning the profit means they will inevitably make less money so may have to lower wages or lose workers .You may want to research the difference between a companies turnover and profit
What I am talking about is taxing more of their profits, they can manage with less profits

Osem 07-03-2012 10:19
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I have an idea which will require no law changes at all. How about the Likes of Alan Fry who so clearly dislike wealth/profits and empathise so much for the poor, stop taking advantage of any tax avoiding measures/reliefs and start donating all their excess income to the sort of causes they bang on about. Being the very senior manager he is (in charge of 1000s of by all accounts), our Mr Fry must be doing very nicely thank you and must therefore feel genuinely upset about how well off he is compared to so many here and around the globe. I therefore suggest he (and any like him who support his views) donates anything he's ever inadvertently* avoided by way of tax and any income over the UK average wage (unless he feels really charitable and wants to give more) to charity. No need to wait for a world government to be formed or even wheels within wheels to turn and new tax rules be drafted. This way he'll be setting the rest of us a wonderful example and be able to carry on his moral and political crusade free of any moral burden that he's part of the problem he spends so much of his life whingeing about. He could even post the details of what he's done here so that he might encourage others to do likewise.....
:rolleyes:

* I'm certain Mr Fry would never have deliberately avoided tax as that would seem more than a tad hypocritical.

martyh 07-03-2012 10:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394516)
What I am talking about is taxing more of their profits, they can manage with less profits
How can you possibly know that ,what about future investment ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35394526)
I have an idea which will require no law changes at all. How about the Likes of Alan Fry who so clearly dislike wealth/profits and empathise so much for the poor, stop taking advantage of any tax avoiding measures and start donating all their excess income to the sort of causes they bang on about. Being the very senior manager he is (in charge of 1000s of by all accounts), our Mr Fry must be doing very nicely thank you and must therefore feel genuinely upset about how well off he is compared to so many here and around the globe. I therefore suggest he (and any like him who support his views) donates anything he's ever inadvertently* avoided by way of tax and any income over the UK average wage (unless he feels really charitable and wants to give more) to charity. No need to wait for a world government to be formed or even wheels within wheels to turn and new tax rules be drafted. This way he'll be setting the rest of us a wonderful example and be able to carry on his moral and political crusade free of any moral burden that he's part of the problem he spends so much of his life whingeing about. He could even post the details of what he's done here so that he might encourage others to do likewise.....
:rolleyes:

* I'm certain Mr Fry would never have deliberately avoided tax as that would seem more than a tad hypocritical.
I await that thread in eager anticipation :D

Osem 07-03-2012 10:32
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.... and what happens when they're not making any or enough profits to meet their ongoing pension obligations? :shrug: :doh: :dunce:

martyh 07-03-2012 10:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35394547)
.... and what happens when they're not making any or enough profits to meet their ongoing pension obligations? :shrug: :doh: :dunce:
As you say ,sanctions will be imposed ,maybe forced take overs of small companies by larger more profitable companies untill eventually the whole world is run by one humongous company called ......the World Government :D

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 10:50
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35394526)
I have an idea which will require no law changes at all. How about the Likes of Alan Fry who so clearly dislike wealth/profits and empathise so much for the poor, stop taking advantage of any tax avoiding measures/reliefs and start donating all their excess income to the sort of causes they bang on about. Being the very senior manager he is (in charge of 1000s of by all accounts), our Mr Fry must be doing very nicely thank you and must therefore feel genuinely upset about how well off he is compared to so many here and around the globe. I therefore suggest he (and any like him who support his views) donates anything he's ever inadvertently* avoided by way of tax and any income over the UK average wage (unless he feels really charitable and wants to give more) to charity. No need to wait for a world government to be formed or even wheels within wheels to turn and new tax rules be drafted. This way he'll be setting the rest of us a wonderful example and be able to carry on his moral and political crusade free of any moral burden that he's part of the problem he spends so much of his life whingeing about. He could even post the details of what he's done here so that he might encourage others to do likewise.....
:rolleyes:

* I'm certain Mr Fry would never have deliberately avoided tax as that would seem more than a tad hypocritical.
I do not have much excess income and I do not deliberately avoid or take advantage tax avoiding schemes. Also the UK average wage is too low for anyone to live on, pay the mortgage etc and for goodness sake I am not part of the problem since I am not a member of the 1%.

I am not keen on giving money to charities because they are wasteful and they do not help develop nations, no nation has become a major power was developed with the help of charity.

Even If I donate all the money I have, it will not make much of a difference, if all the rich did though is that would make a difference.

What you do not get is that most of the world’s wealth is in the hands of the wealthy (which I am not a member of). So what we need is a world government and radical reforms to democracy and capitalism

Osem 07-03-2012 10:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394568)
As you say ,sanctions will be imposed ,maybe forced take overs of small companies by larger more profitable companies untill eventually the whole world is run by one humongous company called ......the World Government
.... and nodbody will be able to choose something else, argue with it or differ from it. What a Utopia that sounds...... :rolleyes:

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 10:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394568)
As you say ,sanctions will be imposed ,maybe forced take overs of small companies by larger more profitable companies untill eventually the whole world is run by one humongous company called ......the World Government :D
there will be fewer companies (all holding monopolies) that will either be state owned or are co-operatives

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35394577)
.... and nodbody will be able to choose something else, argue with it or differ from it. What a Utopia that sounds...... :rolleyes:
At least you get decent jobs, pensions, benefits, heathcare and education, and thats just the start

martyh 07-03-2012 10:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394573)
I do not have much excess income and I do not deliberately avoid or take advantage tax avoiding schemes. Also the UK average wage is too low for anyone to live on, pay the mortgage etc and for goodness sake I am not part of the problem since I am not a member of the 1%.

I am not keen on giving money to charities because they are wasteful and they do not help develop nations, no nation has become a major power was developed with the help of charity.

Even If I donate all the money I have, it will not make much of a difference, if all the rich did though is that would make a difference.

What you do not get is that most of the world’s wealth is in the hands of the wealthy (which I am not a member of). So what we need is a world government and radical reforms to democracy and capitalism
I really don't know where to start with this post ,i'll let someone else tear it apart ,my head hurts now :nutter:

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 11:11
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394593)
I really don't know where to start with this post ,i'll let someone else tear it apart ,my head hurts now :nutter:
I do not know why defenders of a failed system fight so hard to defend their points :td:

This is no doubt MADNESS!! :D

Hugh 07-03-2012 11:42
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394617)
I do not know why defenders of a failed system fight so hard to defend their points :td:

This is no doubt MADNESS!! :D
You have never spoken/typed a truer statement, Alan.....

But actually, I think you will find that

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

gazzae 07-03-2012 11:44
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394617)
I do not know why defenders of a failed system fight so hard to defend their points :td:

This is no doubt MADNESS!! :D
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...012/03/106.jpg

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 11:49
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394653)
You have never spoken/typed a truer statement, Alan.....

But actually, I think you will find that

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...-is-sparta.jpg
What is madness is that a lot of people are defending a failed system

Osem 07-03-2012 11:56
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Whereas what they're actually pointing out to you is that your 'system' is based on so many ifs, buts, maybes and false assumptions/premises that it's totally unrealistic.

As for your convenient excuse about charitable giving, if you did what I suggested it'd be far from a meaningless gesture to those you offered help to wouldn't it? For those people it could be the difference between eating and not eating, heating and not heating couldn't it? For someone who's apparently fairly well off you don't seem very keen to back up your rhetoric with action or pounds from your own pocket. Rather than help some people right now from your own pocket you'd rather help none and claim charitable giving is just a con. Odd that... :confused: :rolleyes:

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 11:58
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35394673)
Whereas what they're actually pointing out to you is that your 'system' is based on so many ifs, buts, maybes and false assumptions/premises that it's totally unrealistic.
It is certainly more realistic and better than the one we have got! :mad: :td:

Osem 07-03-2012 12:19
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394679)
It is certainly more realistic and better than the one we have got! :mad: :td:
Yeah right matey, you just keep telling yourself that and taking the tablets... :D

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 12:45
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35394706)
Yeah right matey, you just keep telling yourself that and taking the tablets... :D
What drugs are you and your friends taking? :D

Really this campain to keep a failed system has reached an all time low :p:

While we are doing this, the rich are never having it so good, our our expence! :mad: :td:

Stuart 07-03-2012 14:53
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35393085)
Yes, but those 1.6 million are struggling, along with millions more out of work, all because of the fault of wealthy and major business!!! :mad::td:

It is about time governments cared more about unions (and people) than business and that is the fault of Labour, Lib Dem and Tory!
They may be struggling, but they would be struggling a lot more if they didn't have those jobs. Also, I think you'll find I said that businesses do have a direct responsibility for this.

It's about time Governments cared more about the people. Unions, as the RMT have often proved, have their own agendas, in much the same way businesses do. Agendas which ultimately won't necessarily prove to be in the interest of anyone (even their members).

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 15:03
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35394834)
They may be struggling, but they would be struggling a lot more if they didn't have those jobs. Also, I think you'll find I said that businesses do have a direct responsibility for this.

It's about time Governments cared more about the people. Unions, as the RMT have often proved, have their own agendas, in much the same way businesses do. Agendas which ultimately won't necessarily prove to be in the interest of anyone (even their members).
The Union's agendas involve their member which is a lot of working people, so the Unions are acting in their interest, unlike the government and business

Osem 07-03-2012 15:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394750)
What drugs are you and your friends taking? :D

Really this campain to keep a failed system has reached an all time low :p:

While we are doing this, the rich are never having it so good, our our expence! :mad: :td:
Yeah matey - just keep telling yourself that...... :rofl:

Shouldn't you be at work managing all the thousands who rely on you? :D

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 15:11
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35394842)
Yeah matey - just keep telling yourself that...... :rofl:

Shouldn't you be at work managing all the thousands who rely on you? :D
It seems the defenders of the failed system are still losing it :D :p:

martyh 07-03-2012 15:21
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394844)
It seems the defenders of the failed system are still losing it :D :p:
How do you manage to juggle between your responsibility as senior manager with budgetry restraints placed on your department and calls for pay increases from the workers and /or unions .Given your stance on union power and wage levels i look forward to your answer

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 15:23
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394849)
How do you manage to juggle between your responsibility as senior manager with budgetry restraints placed on your department and calls for pay increases from the workers and /or unions .Given your stance on union power and wage levels i look forward to your answer
Becuase I do not like the system and it needs changing, If there a shortage of money, i will look for cuts first in management

Hugh 07-03-2012 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394750)
What drugs are you and your friends taking? :D

Really this campain to keep a failed system has reached an all time low :p:

While we are doing this, the rich are never having it so good, our our expence! :mad: :td:
Alan, the Capitalist systems has failings, but it hasn't failed - you appeared to be proposing an extreme solution to something just needs to be fixed, not torn down.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394854)
Becuase I do not like the system and it needs changing, If there a shortage of money, i will look for cuts first in management
Management above or below you?

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 15:32
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394856)
Alan, the Capitalist systems has failings, but it hasn't failed - you appeared to be proposing an extreme solution to something just needs to be fixed, not torn down.

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Management above or below you?
I have advocated radical reforms to the system and yes it would be management on the same level (me included) was well as above and below me

martyh 07-03-2012 15:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394856)
Alan, the Capitalist systems has failings, but it hasn't failed - you appeared to be proposing an extreme solution to something just needs to be fixed, not torn down.

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Management above or below you?
Any....instead of ?

Chris 07-03-2012 15:33
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394856)
Alan, the Capitalist systems has failings, but it hasn't failed - you appeared to be proposing an extreme solution to something just needs to be fixed, not torn down.

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Management above or below you?
Management to the right of him ...

Hugh 07-03-2012 15:34
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
That would be most of them, then....

Chris 07-03-2012 15:34
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
... management to the left of him, management in front of him, volley'd and thunder'd ... :p:

Hugh 07-03-2012 15:38
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394854)
Becuase I do not like the system and it needs changing, If there a shortage of money, i will look for cuts first in management
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394863)
I have advocated radical reforms to the system and yes it would be management on the same level (me included) was well as above and below me
Erm, Alan - if they are the same grade as you, you would not have authority to terminate their employment, so your statement is empty and valueless, imho.

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 15:40
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394876)
Erm, Alan - if they are the same grade as you, you would not have authority to terminate their employment, so your statement is empty and valueless, imho.
No sack people within my department, but reduce wages and bonuses

Hugh 07-03-2012 15:46
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
So you have the authority to reduce your peers' wages?

Really?

---------- Post added at 16:46 ---------- Previous post was at 16:44 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394854)
Becuase I do not like the system and it needs changing, If there a shortage of money, i will look for cuts first in management
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394863)
I have advocated radical reforms to the system and yes it would be management on the same level (me included) was well as above and below me
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394880)
No sack people within my department, but reduce wages and bonuses
btw, that whirring noise appears to be you back-pedalling......

TheDaddy 07-03-2012 15:50
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394886)


btw, that whirring noise appears to be you back-pedalling......
Or his head exploding...

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 15:51
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394886)
So you have the authority to reduce your peers' wages?

Really?

---------- Post added at 16:46 ---------- Previous post was at 16:44 ----------






btw, that whirring noise appears to be you back-pedalling......
I am not keen on wages cut at all!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35394890)
Or his head exploding...
Nope, Still there :D

Hugh 07-03-2012 15:54
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
So - do you, or do you not, have the authority to reduce your fellow managers' wages?

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 15:54
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394900)
So - do you, or do you not, have the authority to reduce your fellow managers' wages?
No, but I can give advice!

Hugh 07-03-2012 16:01
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394854)
Becuase I do not like the system and it needs changing, If there a shortage of money, i will look for cuts first in management
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394863)
I have advocated radical reforms to the system and yes it would be management on the same level (me included) was well as above and below me
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394880)
No sack people within my department, but reduce wages and bonuses
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394901)
No, but I can give advice!
:dozey:

martyh 07-03-2012 16:03
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394901)
No, but I can give advice!
You aren't really a manager at all are you Alan ,i think that much is obvious to us all ,so you can give up the pretence now

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 16:13
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394919)
You aren't really a manager at all are you Alan ,i think that much is obvious to us all ,so you can give up the pretence now
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I am one and a high ranking on in transport

martyh 07-03-2012 16:20
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394938)
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I am one and a high ranking on in transport
So your a high ranking manager with no financial acumen ,no economic sense whatsoever,can't spell and has bad grammar (i realise mine isn't perfect but i don't pretend to be something I'm not)

TheDaddy 07-03-2012 16:21
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394938)
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I am one and a high ranking on in transport
Bus conductor ;)

Alan Fry 07-03-2012 16:22
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35394948)
So your a high ranking manager with no financial acumen ,no economic sense whatsoever,can't spell and has bad grammar (i realise mine isn't perfect but i don't pretend to be something I'm not)
I would disagree with you on that :td:

Pierre 07-03-2012 17:06
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Bovine organic refuse manager

devilincarnate 07-03-2012 17:13
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35394900)
So - do you, or do you not, have the authority to reduce your fellow managers' wages?
I have (stopped our lass going in to the Kitchen):D:D:D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35394938)
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I am one and a high ranking on in transport
He runs a cycle rack:D:D:D

joglynne 07-03-2012 17:31
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
We used to have a Staff Suggestion Box as well where I worked. Mind, not many of the suggestions were ever taken seriously.

devilincarnate 07-03-2012 17:36
Re: Pay frozen for third year running
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 35395029)
We used to have a Staff Suggestion Box as well where I worked. Mind, not many of the suggestions were ever taken seriously.
It could be to do with what the suggestions were:erm:


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