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Well I'm just quoting it, and not implying if it is true or false.

By the way, did you see that I edited my other post to include a wikipedia link?

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@ Alan Fry.Re South America support for Argentina They won't..they have enough issues of their own and apart from giving word of mouth support won't get involved.They mostly have enough trouble running their own countries and dealing with drug cartels to get involved.

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Yes Tim, I saw that - I was already aware of that particular claim but it relates to a misrepresentaion of the sale of exocets, not the pruchase of them.

"The operation included British intelligence agents claiming to be arms dealers able to supply large numbers of Exocet to Argentina, who diverted Argentina from pursuing sources which could genuinely supply a few missiles."

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Thanks for telling me!

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Good, concise, article here:

http://henryjacksonsociety.org/2012/...oes-to-alaska/

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Good post Damien

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Yes, it is quite a good post - mildly amusing in parts - if a little jaundiced.

The alternate view , including actual cabinet office references and UN Resolutions, is equally interesting.

Either way, given that the nationality of the islanders is not in dispute then it is better that the territorial claim be settled once and for all via diplomatic means rather than militaristic jingoism.

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That suggestion presupposes that there is a claim to be settled. Just because Argentina makes a claim, it does not follow that the claim is legitimate. And at this point the British government has no reason to acknowledge, and therefore legitimise, Argentina's claim by agreeing to talk about it.

The UK holds all the cards here. Despite petty manoeuvres such as barring Falklands-flagged vessels from South American ports, ultimately Argentina will lose out. It stood to gain from the construction of any on-shore processing facilities required once oil starts to flow from the seabed around the islands but that is now increasingly unlikely.

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Absolutely...they should just ask the Falkland Islanders to vote on who's flag they want to be under. And then Argentina can accept the outcome, and let it rest. But I think we already know the outcome.

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Britain never ceded our claim on the Islands and when the United Province of Buenos Aires sent a settlement they still recognised that claim, they asked for approval after all. It went wrong when they appointed that governor against the protests of the British who subsequently went to reassert control. The Argentinians being impoverished and divided is immaterial to that matter and was largely a consequence of their own mismanagement of their settlement.

Argentina always reference the treaty were Spain granted them the Islands but they were not Spain's to give away, and referencing UN Resolutions is meaningless when the UN's policy on self-determination supersedes them. So we're back to the same position as we were before, legally they are British, and that is the will of the people of the Island.

That Argentina want the Islands based on a land despite that pre-dated their own existence as a nation is laughable.

They are welcome to challenge the legal status of the island as we have invited them to do twice, they declined twice. They don't want to challenge it presumably they know they would lose. We're not going to give up the Islands, they don't have the will or power to take them by force, they don't want to take it up in the International Court. Therefore they should let it go.

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There is also the issue of the UN resolution on colonialism which, as I understand it, is what the Argentinians may be relying on. In that context the claim is not solely an Argentenian one but an obligation under the terms of the UN.

Either way, as I have already stated, diplomacy would be the preferred option.

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It's only the preferred option if you accept that something needs to be done, and therefore an option needs to be taken. If you do not - and the UK Government does not - then no options are preferred. ;)

The appeal to a resolution on colonialism is laughable; if the UK were to cut all sovereign ties with the Falklands that would still not deliver them into Argentine hands. The islanders retain the right to determine their own government and their preferences are already well known.

In the absence of any involvement by the UK whatsoever, Argentina would still have to mount a military operation in order to take control of the islands.

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The only way to settle this is a UN managed referendum, maybe that will prove the UN (and others) that the people of the Falkland Islands want to remain British!

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The Falkland Islands (along with the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands) are a British Overseas Territory and they largely run their own affairs, all the UK government does is defend them and represent them overseas, so they basicly rule themselfs under UK rule!

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Again Chris the islanders nationality, as far as I can tell, is not currently disputed. This is more an issue of ownership rather than occupancy.

I am not advocating an Argentinian invasion or war of any sort I'm merely suggesting people take a look at the bigger picture rather than doing what the UK and Argentinian politicians are doing by sabre rattling.

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The UN resolution is superseded by the UN's policy of self-determination. Besides the UN's whole view of decolonisation is to recongise self-determination in those colonies. The UN could get involved if the Islanders wanted to be rid of the UK, they don't.

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To be honest a lot of the entries in the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories are already Self-Governing, so it is not very accurate in my opinon (with the exception of Western Sahara)

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Sums it up for me.

:tu:

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Damien you have your dates and chronology mixed up.

The UK and Argentina are both signatories to the UN so it is somewhat inevitable that the UN will be involved in some way. We can only hope that the outcome is arrived at by peaceful means.

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Again Mr A, I am not addressing the issue of nationality. I am addressing the issue of governance and ownership. The Argentine cry of 'colonialism' is entirely bogus because there is no way for Argentina to govern or own the islands in any way other than the UK currently does. The Argentine argument that their status is different to that of the UK rests on the idea of proximity - the "salt water fallacy" referenced in Damien's link yesterday.

Argentine ownership would be colonialism of a particularly unpleasant kind because it would involve subjecting the occupants to a government that they almost universally reject as foreign, if not outright hostile.

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Where?

The UN aren't going to deal with it. What outcome could we possibly have? As Chris said Argentina don't have any cards left in this matter. Britain has the land, the will of the people, and the means to defend it. The UN has nothing to work with to appease the Argentinians. Especially since the right to self-determination will override anything else.

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I take you points Chris and I broadly agree with your overall assessment. Jingoism (by either party) based on disputed historical claims is not the answer.

Nobody is saying that colonialism, by either party, is the answer. A negotiated settlement is the way forward and diplomacy ought to be the means by which that is achieved.

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Don't think anyone disagrees with that.It's just rather hard to keep negotiations going when one side seems determined to be more jingoistic purely to achieve political power and fails entirely,repeatedly to see the point about the situation.

As a point of discussion what do you think could be a solution both sides could live with?

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A Referendum managed by the UN with 3 options

1: Do you want the Fakland Islands (Along with the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands) to be ruled by the UK? (i.e the status quo)

2: Do you want the Fakland Islands (Along with the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands) to be ruled by Argentina? (in some form)

3: Do you want the Faklands Islands (Along with the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands) to be independent of both the UK and Argentina?

Then we will see what the people of the Falklands want!

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That, of course, applies to both parties to the argument.

I think elements of our experiences here in Northern Ireland could be applied / would be worth consideration. For example people could have a choice of nationality and natural resources could be shared on a principle of joint authority and ownership.

Anything is preferable to people dying.

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The issue with Northern Ireland is rather different to the issue with the Falklands, but we can learn from the NI experence!

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Hardly seems to cover what the Argentines want.Seems very heavily weighted towards one side.

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Why is that?

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I don't think we should give in to Argentina because we're worried about people dying. We are not going to start a war with Argentina unless we're attacked so to appease them to avoid such an attack would simply lead to more demands.

You don't have to comprise unless the other side have some leverage in negations. Argentina do not have leverage, they are simply pontificating. They don't have the UN, they won't go to the International Court, and they have already tried and failed to use force. To say we need to enter into any talks of compromise simply because they have laid claim to the islands would be wrong. It would, as suggested, be the equivalent of Canada going the US demanding Alaska and the US Government being told they need to enter talks to find a middle ground.

BTW Where did I get my dates wrong? I can't see it...

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Damien, with all due respect, decolonisation is still an issue as far as the Falklands / Malvinas / UK and UN are concerned.

The right to self determination is therefore also affected. On that basis the UN has to be involved whether you, me, or anyone else likes it or not.

Your assertion that "they don't have the UN" is patently incorrect. They - moreso than Britain - have the UN on their side on this matter. They won't go to the international court for the very same simple reason that the UK is not keen to go to the UN - they see it as loaded in the other parties favour.

Earlier links have evidenced actual Cabinet Office papers which quite clearly show that the very heart of the British Government have, for quite some time, been worried about the legitimacy of their claim to the islands, you cannot deny that fact.

The one way to resolve this is to test it (without military action) in an environment that both claimants can consider "neutral" - that is the very real issue here. Not what you, I or anyone else thinks.

If only it were as cut, dried and over simplified as you would like.

Unfortunately it is not.

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Not really. It is heavily weighted towards what Falkland Islanders want. And it should be their choice, nobody elses.

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The UN's focus on decolonization is to ensure the rights to self-determination was respected in existing colonies. This is why the UN Resolution was meaningless as it only established what we already knew, that the Falklands are an outpost of Britain and could be considered a colony. However nothing has happened because the islanders' rights are the primary concern in this process. After all, who do you give the islands 'back too' if we were to force Britain to give it up? The process of decolonization was to allow the native people of a country to govern themselves, not to give land to a country which never owned it. The Falklands had no natives and were explored by Europeans, we claimed the Islands. This was a time when most of South America was being colonised and explored by Europe. There was no Argentina.

I think those papers might have to be considered in the context of their time. The desire to keep the Falklands is rather new, they were a thorn in Britain's side considering the distance of the islands and the cost involved in defending them. Britain had a policy of gradually letting them go which changed quite dramatically with Argentina's last attempts to take the islands. We don't need their interpretation anyway, what would be interesting would be what facts led them to that interpenetration. Since that article was rather lacking in those facts we can't really judge the merits of their concern.

Which we offered them, twice, they denied preferring a war which they lost.

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I think what will happen is that Britain will still rule the Falklands and Argentina would still want them (but it is unlikely it will ever get them).

In other words the status quo!

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From that Guardian article:

It would appear that there is some basis for an Argentinian claim (if the above is accurate). The Brits abandoned the territory, which was then held by Spain for 35 years. It seems reasonable to assume the Spanish possessions would revert to United Provinces or the RÃ*o de la Plata, who did claim it, but it was then annexed by the British. Obviously, the above is all irrelevant as the wishes of the Islanders should be the deciding factor, and there seems to be little doubt regarding what they want.

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Nice graphic on wikipedia, showing the permanence of settlements on the Falkland Islands.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/68.png

I wonder if the French will ask for the Channel Islands back?

Or if the Spanish will give the Canaries back to the Guanches?;)

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The Guardian opinion pieces is missing a few parts. Namely that we didn't cede control of the islands and the settlers originally recognised that fact by asking for permission to travel to the Islands and, when settled, posting reports back to London. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-esta...alklands_(1833)

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The problem with basing any decision on the concept of prior claim is that Spain and Britain were both colonial powers and both were claiming lands in South America that already belonged to native tribes which were displaced and disenfranchised.

The historical claim cannot be seen in isolation. There are many more territories that at one time or other were under control from Buenos Aires that are no longer under that control. Uruguay is a case in point; it was a part of the River Plate territory, goverend from Buenos Aires, but is no longer.

And nobody in the Argentine government appears to be advocating turning their entire territory over to the native Amerindians who occupied it long before the Europeans arrived.

The map of the Americas consists entirely of territories that were forcibly occupied by warring European powers, with boundaries that were settled by force, or threat of force.

"this is who is there now, and this is what they want" is the only fair and consistent basis of determining current possession and control. That is the basis on which Argentina itself exists.

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Argentina is not the legal sucessor to Viceroyalty of the RÃ*o de la Plata and its sucessor the United Provinces of the RÃ*o de la Plata which split into Paraguay, Bolvia, Uruguay and Argentina, but it does say this on their Constitution:

"Article 35 .- The denominations successively adopted from 1810 to the present, namely: United Provinces of the RÃ*o de la Plata, Argentine Republic, Argentine Confederation, shall henceforth be interchangeably official names to describe the Government and territory of the provinces, using the words "Argentine Nation" for the making and the enactment of laws."

But then again if Argentina is legally the sucessor Viceroyalty of the RÃ*o de la Plata and its sucessor the United Provinces of the RÃ*o de la Plata, then why have they not claimed Paraguay, Bolvia, Uruguay as part of Argentina along with The Falkland, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands?

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Yes, if I may quote myself:

I was just saying that the Argentinian claim does actually look justified (but completely pointless, as the only valid criterion is the Islanders' wishes).

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Remember, no nation has clear control over the Falklands until 1834 by the British

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If you are actually interested in the facts you can of course follow the links they provided to the national archive and pay to read them.

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I looked at the Wikipedia articles and various other news items. It all seems pretty consistent with the history of the islands, since I am not the one whose arguments reference the documents within the archive I am not really concerned with paying to read them. I would presume these facts are in the public domain since we're talking about a history of the Islands.

BTW Where did I get my dates wrong? You said this a few posts back and I am wondered which part you were referring too.

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The Cabinet papers are much, much more indepth than the other articles referencing the history of the islands - regrettably they are not available in the public domain without payment. They do, however, highlight the successive cabinet concerns as to the legitimacy of the British claim of ownership - so much so that they lead up to the offer of a lease back option with Argentina which was being explored by the Tory Government of the day.

On the matter of the UN self determination and decolonization protocols.

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The primary reason they were previously so willing to distance British claims for the Falklands was because we had a 'managed decline' policy towards the Islands anyway. Argentina might even have that lease back arrangement now had they not tried to take it by force. I mean we offered that they take the dispute to the International Court of Justice in the 1940's and 1950's. Which they declined. The fact we were willing to go there speaks more about how the Government then perceived the strength of our case.


I didn't mean to suggest the right to self-determination came after the resolution, I meant the right to self-determination will be more important that the resolution. Supersedes was the wrong word. This point is redundant anyway since the decolonization protocols act only to enforce the right for self-determination in colonised areas.

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There is only 1 reason the argies want the falklands and that is the recent find of oil and has resources to kick start their own economy.

If they are that adamant to object to the UN about a military presence by the UK which is classed as more of a training and sar post they will have it thrown back in their face.

Another thing don't think its classed as a colony but a British protecturate like the us have in the pacific namely the Marshall islands, guam and midway.

They all have their own governments but as far as i know don't vote for national elections

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They'll forget about this soon enough, it will flare up again, they will whine again. Until there is a fundamental shift in the influences at play nothing will change. They won't get anywhere with the UN, they won't attack the Islands and we won't budge so we're gridlocked.

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Bit like this thread.... :D

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Quite.

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Just watched the UN Press conference on Falklands tension in New York just now, with the Argentine Foreign Minister explaining his complaint to the UN, he has basically made an accusation that the UK is holding Nuclear Weapons in the South Altantic. That it has too much power in the South Atlantic when it's Capital is 14,000 miles away. That the UK is in clear Breach of a 1965 UN Resolution.

UK Ambassador to the UN to address conference shortly.

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oh bit like tennis :)

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I just realised the title of this thread is wrong.

He's not visiting, he's there as a part of his tour of duty.

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Brief Summary of the UN Press conference tonight:-
http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16167094

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LOL... the Argies foreign minister is accusing the Royal Navy of having a Vanguard class ballistic missile sub in the area now I'm sure that those subs wouldnt be there but the Astute or otherwise the trafalgar class at least

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I'm getting the feeling She's not half as a cocky now that Nuclear Armed Vehicles have supposedly been put into action. She must have thought we'd just sit and back and let them rant on.

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One wonders if the Argentinians are reading Alan's Twitter feed.

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How utterly surprising and outrageous of the UK to send more military assets to the Falklands and deliberately upset those utterly benevolent Argentinians. I mean it's not as though the Islands been been persistently threatened, provoked or invaded by Argentina in the fairly recent past is it?... :rolleyes:

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Well Maggie did. Argentina warned that they were going to invade tha Falklands, and we did nothing. So then they did invade, almost unopposed. Maggie was made out to be a hero because we won the way. But if she had listened to the warnings, and increased the defences, then 1000's of lives could have been saved.

We obviously won't make the same mistake twice.

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1000s of lives???

I could have sworn the total fatalities of this were under 1000 (too many, I know, but not "1000s").

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Sorry, that was a typo...1 too many 0's

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Interesting report on BBC about Argentina isolating the Islanders. Making it diffucult to get fresh vegetables and eggs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16980747



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It's the Falklands Islanders that should be complaining to the UN about Argentinas bullying of them!

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Absolutely

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Lets build a training area on the Falklands and train our troops there. ;)

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:)

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Well Cameron should tell this Argie bitch to "Calm down dear, put the kettle on and make us a cup of tea."

What DC needs is comendere a British own plane and fly it between Chile and the Falklands and call it an "Aid flight", screw there ban.

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And maybe a big naval excercise in the British waters around the Falklands

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:clap:

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IIRC that would only go out 15 miles, outside this it nternational waters.

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But they are free to conduct an excercise in international waters, are they not?

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Tim they would have to give advance warning of am exercise in international waters

now is it me after reading that article on the beeb it is looking like the argies are trying to starve the falklands.

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Plenty of fish,sheep and penguins.;)

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Yeah, they are bullies. The islanders sound like they are made of tough stuff though.

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...d-islands.html

Be better if he kept his nose out of it.:(:td:

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What a knob.

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Well, we tried. However Sean Penn has spoken. Let's start the paperwork.

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He'll be wanting to hand the US back to the native indians soon then eh? :rolleyes:

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Time to boycott Argentine goods in the UK? Their wine, meats etc? I think so.

They are just bullies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17022603

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I don't usually like boycotts but I think that might be good! How much Argentine goods do we import?

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Decent actor but he needs to keep his mouth shut more.:td:

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Not 100% sure ... just having a look around to find out...

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Yes I agree, he is not helping the Falkland Islanders.

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Perhaps the Americans with Mr Penn would like America to give up Hawaii to the Polynesians, Alaska to the Tlingit, Haida, Aleut, Yup'ik, Gwich’in and Inuit people, and the rest of the states to the native population :rolleyes: Something tells me that will never happen....

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looks like boycotting the wines is a good idea, they export a lot according to this:

http://www.harpers.co.uk/news/news-h...k-exports.html



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This is an interesting statement from the FCWO

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/wh...ting/argentina

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Well I wanted a reason to cut down on red wine....... :D

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haha :D



Beef is another of their exports. Buy British everyone! https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/14.gif

Plus it's better for the planet ;)

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Anyone who uses Twitter can show your support for the Islanders by following falklands_utd

:)

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Well said!!

It's a Hollywood has been, just trying to get into the press again.

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Well he is atypical American actor, who needs a script because he can't engage his brain on his own.

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The mans an interfering bellend.:td:

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Do they ?

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The Argentinians trying to cut off the Falkands Islands from South America is probably the very best way to ensure more traffic, military and otherwise, heads down that way from the UK. Just what the Argentinians say they don't want....:confused: :rolleyes:

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Or the Argies to bog of back to Spain.

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The Falkland Islanders should complain to the UN about Argentina as it is nothing short of bullying. :mad:

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Tensions getting deeper:-

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...change?cc=5739

The General Belgrano, an Argentine cruiser, was sunk during the Falklands War on May 2 1982.

Seems Argentina, is trying to play a war of names and words at the moment.

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Yes, I think they are trying to stir up a reaction from the UK.

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If they name the league after the ship, does that mean all the teams will go down at the end of the season?

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Couldn't care less what they call their league TBH.

I heard a British football journalist based in Argentina being interviewed this morning and he said the change had already been signed, sealed and delivered. What's more the Argentinian's apparently have a close relationship at senior levels within FIFA and he felt certain that nothing would come of the FIFA 'warning'.

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So it sounds like FIFA could sink the General Belgrano this time then ;)

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I wonder what would happen if the island was given to the islanders? Assuming that's even possible.

Then they could decide their own future and run their own affairs.

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As far as I know, they do more or less run their own affairs, and make their own laws.

However they are never going to be able to defend themselves against Argentina on their own.

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Yet more disgusting behaviour from the Argentinians....

Click HERE

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Just as long as we don't descend to their level I think we can ignore all this posturing.They cannot realistically do anything else.:shrug:

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Very true. I think boycotting their imports to the UK and showing support to the Falklanders is our best position :)

I much prefer Chilean wine ;) https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/02/12.gif

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Interesting report on BBC....

Click ME

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I'm already boycotting any Argentine products.

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I am in favour of the UK side if the agurment!

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The acutal number of deaths is 907 while almost 2,000 were wounded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Casualties