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Thomas Thomas - I guess we all saw that one coming even before he said his name!

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Well, I didnt, but I did smile as soon as he said his name.

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Not heard anything about such a spin off, but it would be quite good I think.

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Loved that episode.

Next weeks Cybermen ep looks great also.

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Season Finale has been leaked, US stores have released it early it seems and naturally the finale can be found in the usual places.

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It was BBC America that shipped out copies of the DVD/Blu Ray early by mistake. Not any retail stores.

I still haven't been able to find it yet but am desperate to find it.

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Don't you dare spoilerize this thread if you do manage to get a warezed copy of it. I intend to know nothing about it until its broadcast.

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I have quite enjoyed this series. I could get the latest one early I guess but I think I'll spend all week guessing about it instead :)

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Oh you arses!

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is this the season finale?

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Haven't watched this weeks episode yet but, new villains for the Doctor to worry about?

That's it till November and the 50th anniversary episode..

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bugger,not sure i like this splitting seasons in 2 malarky ,just start getting into it and it finishes for months :(

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This was the second half of the series that aired last year. So what we're waiting for now is the new series/anniversary special.

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thats what i mean,i prefer seeing the whole season in one go rather than split in 2

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Ah, I read it wrong. I thought you meant the episodes airing later this year was the second batch of the ones that just aired.

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I'll be the voice of dissent here. It may be well made, but the plotline has now become so intricate, complex, convoluted (and a lot of other big words) that I now have no idea what is going on. If you need a manual to decipher a TV show, it's stopped being something enjoyable. I'm all for intelligent TV shows rather than dumbing everything down, but given Dr Who was always supposed to be about family audiences, I do wonder how many of the family actually get it anymore?

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I don't think it's especially intelligent, more just random stuff happening.

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This. I think there's very little plot. There's just a random rabbit that gets pulled out towards the end that makes everything alright again. There's very little to suggest that this rabbit is any better than another random one.

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Interesting that the Valeyard was mentioned. Technically he's not the Doctor; he's an amalgam of the darker sides of the twelfth and thirteenth incarnations, created by the Master.

And they've pulled a potential blinder getting John Hurt; he wouldn't have struck me as an obvious choice, but I think he can pull it off.

And who, really, is River Song? What the hell is she to the Doctor? Why did he tell her his name?

Is he going to confirm at some point that he was one of the three Time Lords (in conjunction with Rassilon and Omega) who originally created the Time Travel facility, as was hinted at in the novelisation and deleted scenes of Rememberance Of The Daleks?

Where does all this leave Clara?

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No he isn't. The current production team have not bought in to the 'Cartmel Masterplan' and have already directly contradicted it at least once off the top of my head.

It never appeared on screen in the original show so they're not bound to it in any way.

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He said she was his wife (something previously hinted at). Or do you think there's more to it than that?

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She is his wife, Amelia Pond & Rory Williams' daughter.

(A good man goes to war) ("The Wedding of River Song'')

There's no more to it now, The Doctor may still meet her yet again in 'the wrong order' but that's about it. So basically they can still have her pop up due to the above but I doub't there's any more to her story.

John Hurt is likely the 9th Doctor and the one that killed the Timelords before Regenerating into Christopher Eccleston

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So are we ignoring Paul McGann here?

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Paul McGann > John Hurt > Christopher Eccleston

John Hurt is an incarnation but not The Doctor so to speak, he killed the timelords which is probably what broke his promise to the name of 'The Doctor' a huge thing that doesn't just go away. He regenerated into Eccleston
and I assume the memories were erased or he was kept secret (The Doctor's secret)

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Stolen a copy of the 50th anniversary script, have you? :scratch:

Exactly where Hurt fits in, we don't know. What we can infer from what was broadcast is that he is a past regeneration of the Time Lord who we watch on TV from week to week, but he is a regeneration that The Doctor refuses to acknowledge, because of something he did that he finds abhorrent.

Where he fits in, we do not know. He may have ended the Time War. He may have done something that prompted the Doctor to flee Gallifrey. He may be The Other, or a variation on that character, who was intended to be introduced in the late 80s before the show was cancelled.

Interestingly, however, if he is an incarnation of the Time Lord we call the Dcotor, that individual no longer has two regenerations left, but one. Probably.

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Although, I bet they'll say the counter got reset / extended after River gave up her regenerations to save the Doctor ;)

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I fully expect there to be a clever get-out. The Five Doctors established that a Time Lord can receive a new regeneration cycle but didn't explain how. I just hope when it appears, it was worth waiting 30+ years to hear it. :D

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Surely he must be a future regeneration of the doctor, as all the past regenerations are accounted for?

The doctors are listed numerically, by the producers of the show.

Unless as previously mentioned he is the aged version of Paul McGann as we never saw him regenerate, so we don't know how old he looked when he finally regenerated.

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If he's a future one, then how does the 11th know what he did?

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He's the Doctor, the future was yesterday :p

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Not for his own timeline

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I don't know, I don't write this stuff.

However, in the 4th to 5th regeneration, the 4th Doctor was "stalked" by the 5th doctor under the guise of the watcher IIRC.

I'm sure I'll be put right by Chris, but that is an example of a future incarnation of the doctor appearing before the doctor regenerated.

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But the idea floated here, if I am not mistaken, is that this Doctor doesn't feature numerically because he isn't 'worth the name'. The Doctor says as much saying he is only the 12th in name and something hinting about someone who didn't live up to it.

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Well in that case (as we know Smith is actually the 11th Doctor, seen) then this potential unknown doctor must have appeared either before Hartnell or between McGann and Eccleston.

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I think it's the time war doctor? So he'll be before the old and the new era of Doctor Who. Or he'll never seem him again and it was a timey wimey thing and the whole plotline will be dropped. :D

(I don't know much about Doctor Who to be honest. I thought the time war as a thing that was always in Doctor Who lore)

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Yup - but the 4th Doctor didn't recognise him I believe.

Whereas 11<?> knows who the John Hurt character is

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The dialogue suggests he is a past regeneration of the individual we call the Doctor, but one the Doctor refuses to acknowledge with that name.

First there is the fact that "11" recognises him and knows what he did, while every other bit of relevant continuity of the past 50 years has established that the "current" Doctor has no knowledge of his future incarnations.

Second, while Hurt argues that he did what was necessary, "11" insists "but not in the name of the Doctor". He also explains to Clara the significance of choosing a name that declares what you choose to be. Hurt did not live up to that intention, for whatever reason, so the Doctor refuses to call that regeneration by his chosen name.

As to where Hurt fits in, well the two gaps in the series are pre-Hartnell and post McGann. My guess is the 50th anniversary is either going to be a Time War story, or an Origins story exploring how the Doctor left Gallifrey. I really hope it's the latter.

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So who is Clara anyway ,what is special about her ?.Is she the actual Tardis in flesh form or is that too far fetched .

Same question concerning River Song and possibly the same conclusion ?

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That was answered in the last episode

Answered in 'A Good Man Goes to War'

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I know that River is supposed to be the daughter of Amy and Rory but she was supposed to be conceived inside the Tardis ,Like i said though maybe a little too far fetched :)

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As BenMcr said, both questions have been answered in the series.

River was Amy and Rory's daughter, but because she was conceived in the TARDIS her DNA was mutated by the time vortex to be like a Time Lord's.

Clara was a normal human girl... but when she stepped into the Doctor's timeline scar thing inside his tomb it scattered her across his timeline and enabled her to fix all the things that the Great Intelligence had messed with, which is why the Doctor had already met versions of her on the Dalek Asylum and Victorian London.


No mention or even hint of either of them being a living TARDIS.

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It was just a musing i had the other day on the A35 out of Axminster ,like i said maybe too far fetched :D

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Matt Smith leaving. Just when I was getting used to him too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho...ave-Doctor-Who

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I can't believe it's been 4 yrs already, in line with the time other actors have stayed as the doctor though isn't it ,at least the new ones and who will be the next doctor

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Cue the usual tabloid speculation over whether they might cast a woman.

Tom Baker has a lot to answer for.

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I assume seeing as the change happens at Christmas that his departure was known well before the press release :) I quite like Pertwee junior as an option myself

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I think Hugh Laurie should do it...

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I do agree but would he not be to expensive?

David tennant is coming back for the anniversary somehow, maybe they will find a way of returning him as the doctor lol

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Does it have to be a man? (by which I mean as part of the lore).

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I'm guessing the BBC have known about this for awhile and the role has probably already been recast or they're about to start doing it.

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he is alive and well in the other universe so it won't be much of a stretch to bring him and Rose back for a while

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If they went with Hugh Laurie, his fee should almost certainly mean his Doctor can expect to find himself doing battle in a quarry, every damned week till he leaves.

I'd much rather see someone like Paul Kaye or Mark Heap in the roll, especially if the writers are going to have the Doctor continue treading on the dark side.

I read that it was going to be the actual Ten & Rose, not the Meta-Crisis Ten..

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It has never been established that Gallifreyans can be trans-gender. Males and females other than the Doctor have been shown regenerating and none has ever changed sex.

Given that Time Lords have familial relations, it would be a bit odd if they were prone to sudden sex changes and arguably their society would not readily use fixed gender references like "man" and "woman".

It hasn't been explicitly established that they cannot change sex, but it is implicit in so much of the show's lore that casting a woman now would require far too much explaining.

Besides, there are certain constants about the doctor's personality that survive each regeneration, personality traits that make him inherently male, rather than female. Each successive male actor has been recognisably playing the same character. I'm not convinced that would be the case if the role went to a woman.

The only reason for casting a woman would be for a massive publicity stunt. There is no "need", either in-universe or out, to do it. It's not as if the show hasn't had its share of female role models.

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I like either of them. In fact when you think there are loads I would not mind in the roll

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me!

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yeah man and you can get a new K9

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I want a robot pussy!

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lmao

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Wouldn't it be a bit of a coup if the next doctor was John Hurt?

I think we need the next doctor to be older, we know he is an incarnation of the doctor that wasn't worthy of the name, maybe he can redeem himself, it also wouldn't muck up the no. Of regenerations

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...who-matt-smith

Idris Elba would be interesting.

Hugh Laurie would be an amazing choice but he would be too expensive and unlikely to want to do it. He is a great actor however and I think he could convey a lot of depth to the character too.

The one problem with Doctor Who, especially recently, is that the episodes have been rather bland and pointless. Procedural monster of the week episodes with little point to the story. American dramas tend to explore a theme per episode which can add another layer to the scripts which aren't there is most of the Doctor Who episodes. I would like to see that return and a Doctor who can do it justice.

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I think we need to get multi part stories back.

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Yes, I preferred the multi part stories as well.

It always feels like the current stories are rushed, to fit them in.
Plus the suspense and the end of an episode kept you talking and guessing all week, and ready for the next installment.

ATM, I feel I could miss a week, and really not be that bothered.

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Not bad, as fan-made trailers go ...

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Just flicking through geek town, and it says on there that the 50th anniversary special is on 23 rd Nov. and states that the Doctor and Clara are joined by David Tennant and Billie Piper.

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Daleks return in the 50th anniversary special.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho...ersary-Special

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From that photo it looks to me that it may be Skaro or Gallifrey. Possibly during the time war?

By all counts the footage shown at SDCC was very epic and movie like.

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This re-affirms to me that Hurt's Doctor is between McGann and Eccleston.

It's been inferred that the doctor did some nasty things during the time war, and perhaps Hurt was the Doctor in Question.

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Does anyone know if there will be a box set of series 7?

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Its already available in two parts.
The whole series in one set isnt available yet.

Its planned, and has a region 1 release date of Sept 24, I would imagine R2 to be a week or two before that.

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Thanks

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Its was confirmed today that the Complete 7th series will be released on DVD/Blu Ray on the 28th October.

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/07...713110008.html

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After R1 (unless they changed the date of that). Unusual.

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50th Anniversary Promo ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07TcLdd-Ea0

(Not sure if this is official or fan made).

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''Killer of his own kind'' is that line from a past episode? Any Who geek know where the line is from? Trailer is fan made, description gave it away before viewing.

Edit: Quick google tells me it was the Beast of the pit. For a fan made trailer he chose a great selection of past lines.

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Huh ? What description ?

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I think he means the description written by the uploader. I don't remember how prominent the description is on the website but it's right beneath the video window on the iPad app.

That is a fan made trailer, but it's a lot better than many.

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Official Day of the Doctor trailer http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01l9ntt

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There is also to be another trailer released tomorrow.

Only 14 days to go now!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho...sable-Trailers
The second trailer sounds like it will be the one from Comic Con but now with finished effects.

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The first trailer is on Youtube as well : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS1cNjJSGQs

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:hyper:I saw the trailer on the Beeb tonight and i think i'm going to wet myself with excitement

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The second trailer that aired tonight is now online.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-w...-of-the-doctor

I think the first that appeared was an international one and as it leaked the BBC felt they should upload it.

I hope we still get another one tomorrow.

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As part of the celebrations, the BBC have released a mini episode showing how Paul McGann's doctor re-generated into John Hurt's..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/do...i-episode.html

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Love it

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Fangasm!!!

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That 6 mins was better than the whole of Matt Smiths tenure.

Just shows what we missed by not having a full Paul McGann season or two.

It also sets up the special briliantly

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I do agree with this

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I also had to change my undies lol ( well I didnt I do not mind the smell lmao)

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McGann did absolutely knock it out of the park, though to be fair he has developed his take on the character over many years through the audios he has done, so he wasn't coming at it cold. In fact he's been at it a lot longer than Matt Smith.

But yes, I was left gutted that we never got to see more of what this Doctor was like.

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Wouldn't it be good to get a McGann series now. A lost series as such.

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Interesting credits ;

John Hurt as "The War Doctor" ......

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yeah I always thought it was the Chris E doctor who ended the Time War before we got to see him. It is a shame we are only going to get the special to explain it all though

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You'd have thought that if they got McGann to star in a webisode, they could have got him to start in the special. They could have extended his part, and give his doctor a little bit of a run out.

Who knows, he may pop up in it?

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They could have, but the risk with throwing too much at a single episode is that it becomes messy. One of the drawbacks of the TVM McGann made was that they devoted the first 20 minutes to giving Sly McCoy a regeneration sequence. It may have been important in the context of fandom but for a drama hoping to win a new legion of fans and thereby secure a commission for a full series, it was a mistake, and a mistake Russell T Davies et al wisely avoided repeating in 2005.

All that stuff about the Sisterhood of Karn is incredibly clever, but it is also too dense and distracting to be included in any feature-length story where it would have no relevance except as the vehicle to explain how and why the 'War Doctor' came to be. Separating it out into a red button mini episode was a very clever move IMO.

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Its clear to see from 'Rose' that Nine had only recently regenerated or hadn't managed to look in a mirror yet as he was surprised by his appearance. So I've always thought it was eight who ended it going by that. However now we know that Eight choose to regenerate in to a 'warrior' so he could end the war.

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Doesn't this throw the whole regeneration thing forward?

The " war" Doctor, may not be allowed to have the name for what he did, but he is still an incarnation of the being known as the doctor.

Which makes him no.9. Eccleston 10' Tennant 11, smith 12 and Capaldi 13.

So unless something radical happens during Capaldi's tenure, he will be the last Doctor!!

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And Tennant got shot by a Dalek (The Stolen Earth) and regenerated back into himself but still regenerated so he's had two not one.

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But then River Song gave all her regenerations to 11 to bring him back in 'Let's Kill Hitler', so I'm sure they'll use that somehow

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Don't get too excited as this could be a wind up but Tom Baker has stated he *is* involved in the special. When asked for a comment, a BBC spokesperson referred to William Hartnell in "The Name Of The Doctor" and said in Doctor Who anything is possible and nothing is certain..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/do...y-special.html

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Well they'd have to do some Terminator - Salvation type CGI then, as Old Mr Tom is far too old to play the doctor as he was.

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It could always be explained with timey-whimey stuff as to how he appears to have aged.

Patrick Troughton days till the 50th :-)

Also Adventures in Space and Time is on BBC2/BBC2 HD at 9pm tonight and it looks beilliant.