Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355139)

I feel the new labour leader is a disspointment, and anyway have you go any better ideas? :p:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355144)

Then those [Mod Edit] are Scabs (the Governmnent should ban strike breaking)!

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35355151)

Yes.

More appropriate regulation of the Financial Services, more coupling of the risk/reward links (you get it wrong, you don't get a bonus), balancing the UK Budget, spending on Infrastructure Projects, stop trying to pretend we are a World Power (with all the costs of Military Infrastructure that go with that).

What would you propose, besides homilies?

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35355152)

I think this is called irony ,you want to stand up for union rights and the worker but in doing so you wish to deny them the most basic right of all ,the right to freedom of choice .

And please stop swearing

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355158)

The do not have to join a union, but they should honor a strike so it can work othervise employeers can explot them, which is not good for any of us!

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35355169)

They should also have the freedom to choose if they agree with the strike not be forced by law to strike .
I'm sure that the British Leyland workers wish they hadn't listened to their union leaders as much ,they may have still have a industry to work in

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355173)

The demise of British Leyland was casued by under investnent and a reluctance or bank to make long term loans to the company, if we have followed the German model of having Unions sit on Company Boards and have State Develomennt banks then it would be very different.

If we gave freedom for Employees to be Scabs then then and the rest of us will be exploited by employeers and we would all suffer lower wages and job losses!

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35355152)

I think this is called irony ,you want to stand up for union rights and the worker but in doing so you wish to deny them the most basic right of all ,the right to freedom of choice .

And please stop swearing

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355173)

If we gave freedom for Employees to be Scabs then then and the rest of us will be exploited by employeers and we would all suffer lower wages and job losses!

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35355177)

Oh right, nothing whatseover to do with making a rubbish product and constantly going on strike then? I mean all those reliability issues and strikes must have done wonders for sales and customer loyalty..... :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35355189)

Also ironic: The RMT go on about their democratic right to strike, but will happily strike when only a small fraction of their members have voted and, if the article Alan linked to is to be believed, in one strike apparently managed to ballet 300 signal boxes that either didn't exist, had burned down or never existed.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35355194)

Ah the illiberal left at its finest. No need to worry about minor things such as personal freedom in pursuit of the socialist nirvana.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355144)

We are already paying for the crazy wage settlements of bankers, CEO's Rich Shareholders and Footballers and the wages of people in other sports Look what happed when we got rid of unions from other areas of transport, RESULT: Less employment, worse jobs, less pay and other benifits!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355195)

What about general Elections, If there is less than 50% voted, does that nullfy the reslut, may I go on about Shareholder Meetings, House of Commons and Lords etc...

And what about the fact that some members are too busy working to be voting!

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35355199)

On the flip side: Tube workers get what they want. Due to the disruption, companies lose a lot of money. TFL have to increase fares to pay for what the Tube drivers demand. Thus people have to pay more. Those people will have to either have increased wages, or try and cut their own costs. Either way, other companies end up (indirectly) paying. If they pay too much, they risk financial trouble, or have to cut costs themselves (even the major companies have finite resources - ask the staff of Woolworths and Focus), which may result in store or office closures, and job losses.

In the mean time, the strike action persuades international companies to look at cities in other countries to put their headquarters. After all, their staff need a reliable transport infrastructure to get to work, and higher fares will mean higher wage demands. If even one of these companies closes their UK office, this can result in thousands of job losses.

You think that doesn't happen? I ready a couple of years ago that HSBC had already threatened to move their world headquarters from it's current home in Canary Wharf. A building that houses thousands of workers.


On the contrary, the Government should not only not ban strike breaking, but they should increase the number of jobs where striking is banned.


Personally, I am not opposed to more companies doing profit shares in the same way as John Lewis does. It's worked well for them, their staff and their customers.

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Personally, I do think we should investigate ways to persuade more people to start voting.

Regarding your comment about members being too busy working, I'd argue that if ANY union member cared enough about a subject to want to strike about it, he or she would make the time to vote.

Although judging by what a couple of tube drivers I know have said about the job, I doubt that most of the membership would be too busy working to find time to vote..

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355195)

Sorry, Also the products were rubbish, butn it was not the falut of the Trade Unions alone

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35355208)

Oh right and you're critical that the banks didn't want to lend more money to a company effectively being run by a militant union with a workforce who were unable or unwilling to build a competitive product and wound up having to be propped up by the state. :confused:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355195)

Previous post was at 13:06 ----------

What about general Elections, If there is less than 50% voted, does that nullfy the reslut, may I go on about Shareholder Meetings, House of Commons and Lords etc...

And what about the fact that some members are too busy working to be voting!

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35355219)

Totally different scenarios ,a strike vote is usually a yes/no ballot .If a majority of members don't feel strong enough about an issue to vote then there is no issue .In a general election many people don't vote as a legitimate choice because they don't approve of any of the choices ,there is no "none of the above" option

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355195)

You just don't get it you do! I care about perosnal Freedom, like freedom from povery and bad jobs, low wages etc

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35355226)

Evidently you don't given that you want to take away people's right to go to work. You're just waffling on about a socialist nirvana as I said before, with the usual total lack of regard for what you force people to forsake on the way.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355216)

I am not blaming the bank for all this, but the management ans the government as well

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355229)

What is the right to go work worth if your job is a dead end job!

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35355233)

How about the Unions? Continual strikes (whether legit or not) would not have helped BL's balance..

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35355240)

What if your job winds up in China or India because you're totally uncompetitive?

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It seems the only group Alan can't bring himself to blame for anything is the unions.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355229)

What is the right to go work worth if your job is a dead end job!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355244)

Hence why we need to crack down on currency manipulations by those nations and force work and labour standard onto them with poltical pressure!

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35355256)

Some jobs are, sadly, dead end. Hate to break it to you but being a cleaner, serving behind the counter at a fast food outlet and several other jobs are not known for their prospects, doesn't mean they don't have to be done.

When you join the rest of us here:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...012/01/104.jpg

We'll talk some more on this.

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I don't rate our chances of forcing work and labour standards onto 2 countries with a combined population of 2.5bln.

Not that it's anything against the UK, I don't rate anyone's chances of forcing said standards onto them, be it the USA, the EU, or whomever else.

Not that it matters of course, while we continue to buy their cheaper goods nothing will change, and we're not going to stop doing that any time soon as those goods being so relatively cheap is the only reason many can afford them.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35355260)

Those continual strikes frittered away customer support and the cash needed to invest in new models and technology: At one time they had a class leading front wheel drive system and liquid suspension when Ford were still using donkey cart springs and live axles.

Without funds they had to scrimp and make do: Even when the Metro came out as one of the models to try and save the company it had to make do with many parts from the original Mini as Austin/Morris, as it was called at that time, couldn't afford the £500 million needed to develop new engines and gearboxes.

No single strike killed that industry but the continual drip drip of disputes did, as it also did for many other of the heavy industies that we were once pre-eminent in.

Those that are too ready to strike on the slightest pretext should take a look at the history books and think again. There are very few jobs where sooner or later a machine/computer can't do the work more reliably, repeatably and for less money than a man/woman.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355244)

I would agree with that but they were a symptom not a cause!

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Hence why we need to crack down on currency manipulations by those nations and force work and labour standard onto them with poltical pressure!

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35355397)

You really think the UK has the political and economic clout to crack down on the likes of China? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355029)

What I am saying is that Speacsavers can offord better pay and conditions!

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35355397)

You really think the UK has the political and economic clout to crack down on the likes of China? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355344)

Well, My feet are are on earth while yours (and others who share the same view) are on a Thacherite dreamland that did not turn out to be true, the dead end jobs you are talking about are about the best most can expect in life, WHY!! cant we a a right to improve our lives by joining trade unions!

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35355480)

Be careful what you wish for....

Only truely creative jobs or the totally meanial Mac jobs won't be done mechanically. I have no idea what we'll do with the useless 95% of the workforce then but the daytime TV audience figures will be impressive.

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35355706)

Unite being opportunistic over Olympics...

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35355397)

You really think the UK has the political and economic clout to crack down on the likes of China? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35355469)

You suffer from selective hearing/reading.

Smaller franchised Specsavers in the centre of London have not got the resources to give into constant union claims and their staff understand this point.Pointless having a union if it leads to the business closing.

Oh and don't you dare think of accusing me of being a Thatcherite. I'm merely a Pragmatist.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355778)

They can cut the mangers salary and even demand morr favourable terms with specsavers!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355778)

I do think that UK has the political and economic clout, but we have no choice!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355778)

They can cut the mangers salary and even demand morr favourable terms with specsavers!

I called you a Thatcherite because you defend the failed ecomnoic system the she helped set up along with the fact you are not really keen on unions!

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35355479)

I am a very long way from Thatcherite, I do love how it's still used as an attempt at an insult though.

If you'd care to explain how trade unions can improve the life of cleaners by ensuring their job isn't a dead end one that'd be quite interesting to see. Personally it still sounds like you're in cloud cuckoo land writing about trade unions saving the world and leaving us all to a socialist nirvana where everyone is paid mega wages without having to pay more for everything, pays their 75% tax and gets their backsides wiped for them by a highly paid government employee on a large salary with a guaranteed final salary pension.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35355714)

so at a time when UKplc is playing host to the rest of the world union leaders are planning disruption and blackmail ....where's Maggie when we need her :Sprint:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35355783)

You realy are talking out your hat now

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35355793)

Really - you think that a country with 65 million people, and that contributes 3.5% of the world's GDP, can do this - I think you may have to up your medication....
You really are hypocritical - the Specsavers shop managers probably earn half to two-thirds of the salary of Tube train drivers, but you are willing to see their wages cut; one rule/philosophy for one set of people, another for those you support.:dozey:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355803)

Sorry I will corrent that, what they should do is demand better terms from Spacesavers to pay for better pay and conditions!

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35355821)

you need to read up on how a franchise works

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355778)

snippety snip snip....
They can cut the mangers salary and even demand morr favourable terms with specsavers!

I called you a Thatcherite because you defend the failed ecomnoic system the she helped set up along with the fact you are not really keen on unions!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355803)

snippety snip snip...

Sorry I will corrent that, what they should do is demand better terms from Spacesavers to pay for better pay and conditions!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355825)

I know how a francise works!

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35355829)

That's one hell of a "correction" - looks more like something completely different to me......:dozey:

As Maggy has stated, this has entered Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck territory....

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Obviously not, by your inane and nonsensical proposals in your posts.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355803)

The life of cleaners can be improved by better wages and better conditions, which can be achived with unions, as shown in the victorian era and even now!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355843)

So what you are saying is that standign up aganist the rich and very rich who have caused the mess we are in for the sake for middle and working classes who have to bar the brunt for them is insane?

You what I say:

THIS IS MADNESS!!! :mad:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355843)

So what you are saying is that standign up aganist the rich and very rich who have caused the mess we are in for the sake for middle and working classes who have to bar the brunt for them is insane?

You what I say:

THIS IS MADNESS!!! :mad:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35355874)

You specifically mentioned 'dead end' jobs, just to remind you of the context:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35355229-post221.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35355256-post225.html

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This is Sparta!

Seriously, you appear to be a self-appointed class warrior, it's noted that you are evidently doing fairly well out of the capitalism you so despise, for all its flaws maybe it isn't so completely broken?

I don't regard myself as being of any class, I refer to myself as 'middle class' as a joke. In times of old I would be considered working class as I'm the modern version of an engineer. I was raised by a bar maid and cleaner and a truck driver. Your words and politics are divisive, your comments incoherent, your posts seem to be cut and pastes from Socialist Worker as you stubbornly refuse to accept the more moderate views offered.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35355907)

Actually, what we need is reasonably well thought through proposals presented in a coherent manner, with options - you fail on all parameters....

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355925)

Got any better ideas then?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35355937)

I know you find it difficult to maintain coherency, but I am sure I put some forward earlier this week.;)

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35355952)

Remind me!

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35356170)

This one from noon yesterday in this thread, when you asked me the same question.....
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...d#post35355151

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35356523)

I know that I agreed to nearly all to what you have said on that post!

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35356527)

you asked hugh to supply some ideas ,he has ,you agree with them ,what's the problem ?....Get with the script man

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35356527)

you asked hugh to supply some ideas ,he has ,you agree with them ,what's the problem ?....Get with the script man

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35356533)

He and a lot of people do not agree on my views on Unions and Capitalism!

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35402392)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...City-Hall.html

Go, Boris! :D

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35402383)

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16191487

surprise ,surprise didn't see that one comming did we :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35402392)

Go, Boris! :D

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35402476)

Given Ken seems hell bent on sabotaging his own campaign he doesn't have to try that hard.

Anyway surely this is the final straw. They have shown any form of national pride or decency is gone, they are total money grabbers quite happy to hold the country to ransom and I won't shed any tears if the tube gets automated and the unemployment figures take a small hit.

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35402481)

I am a public sector worker and along with many others will not get a penny from the olympics but i do not begrude others if they are getting what they can,after all is that not others do that are in a position of power.

It is ill concieved that one set of public sector workers rails against another.

I bet the Police fedaration wish they had a spokesperson like the rail workers do.

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35402481)

I bet the Police fedaration wish they had a spokesperson like the rail workers do.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35402486)

With respect Richard but an agreement was already in place re pay and they should stick to that .Threatening industrial action when such an agreement is in place is bad enough but threatening it during the Olympics is unjustifiable .The drivers are probably some of the best paid manual workers in the country ,they are already paid well over the odds comparatively speaking for the job they do but to seek a bonus just for working during the Olympics when they will normally be working anyway is just plain wrong and will gain no support from the public in general

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35402488)

If a Fed rep threatened to hold the country to ransom he'd be jailed...

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35402491)

To some extent i agree martyh but Boris in London did promise to negotiate a no stirke agreement but has not done so with the tube drivers,are they paid over the odds its hard to know that unless a comparison is made with similar workers with respect.

Are there any private sector companies offering staff incentives i wonder its hard to konw as if there are its not been well publicised.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35402493)

Boris should not have had to negotiate a new agreement as one was already in place ,it is the Unions and their members that have thrown the existing agreement in the bin

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35402383)

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16191487

surprise ,surprise didn't see that one comming did we :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35402495)

Well lBoris should have known this before promising to negotiate one in the 2008 mayoral election.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...london08.boris

But hey you know me i am very sympathetic with working people but i am not always right mate.:)

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35402481)

I am a public sector worker and along with many others will not get a penny from the olympics but i do not begrude others if they are getting what they can,after all is that not others do that are in a position of power.

It is ill concieved that one set of public sector workers rails against another.

I bet the Police fedaration wish they had a spokesperson like the rail workers do.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35402514)

I think if they tried to automate the tube, they are looking at grave dangers, what about public safety, what if a train derails in the tunnels.

Some people don't have common sense, you might have driverless trains on the Docklands railway, but they don't cover the entire tube network do they.
I would never drive a tube train, they do deserve there pay, and do deserve extra money for working longer hours during the games.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35402502)

If i thought for one moment they had a justyfiable claim i would be fairly and squarely behind them but this just smacks of greed and blackmail

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35402686)

Well it certainly can be viewed as a little greedy but sadly greed and sefishness abound in todays society not defending it you only have to loook around to see it.

If those at the top showed a tad more restraint then those lower down the pecking order might start to listen.

You only have to look at local councils where many cheif executives are enjoying inflation busting rises whilst the workers below them enjoy a pay freeze.:(

I hope in the end the Tube Drivers settle for the offer they have got now and stop demanding more as the offer recieved is more then fair.

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35402686)

You only have to look at local councils where many cheif executives are enjoying inflation busting rises whilst the workers below them enjoy a pay freeze.:(

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35402383)

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16191487

surprise ,surprise didn't see that one comming did we :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35402392)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...City-Hall.html

Go, Boris! :D

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35402476)

Given Ken seems hell bent on sabotaging his own campaign he doesn't have to try that hard.

Anyway surely this is the final straw. They have shown any form of national pride or decency is gone, they are total money grabbers quite happy to hold the country to ransom and I won't shed any tears if the tube gets automated and the unemployment figures take a small hit.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35402596)

Not at the moment, but they could, and probably will over the next few years.

Why should a tube driver get paid more than 50% more than someone who risks their life to save others, and have to deal with the carnage if there is a derailment?

There are many people who work in the public sector will have to do far more work during the olympics, but will get no more money, have had a pay freeze for three years, and are due a pay cut due to extra pensions contributions.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403127)

Why should we elect a leader who had failed as a Mayor to do anything that he thought of that would help Londoners, the most he has done is have a go a unions, while he has done a lot of bad thnigs

Sure Ken is friends with Islamists, but he had achived a lot for London

As for driverless trains, you need someone on them and if they are a members of unions (even the RMT), then they can still strike and the same problems will be there

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403127)

If you look at it this way, since they have to be avalible more offen, they should get a bit more, Even non-RMT members are demanding more

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403127)

As for driverless trains, you need someone on them and if they are a members of unions (even the RMT), then they can still strike and the same problems will be there

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403127)

Sadly, what the defenders of a failed system do not relise is that they have strong unions and they are getting the decent wages and conditions that are not given to most workers

Rather than complaining, do what the RMT does :mad:

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403127)

If those public sector workers had unions like the RMT, then that would not be the case

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35403258)

As a higher management Londoner, I would have thought that you would have been on the DLR Alan. Go and have a ride on one and you will see that there are no staff at all. After all you are a train enthusiast, as you were a member of a train forum until you got banned recently.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35403228)

Achieved what, in comparison to Boris? Here's a piece to start you off; it's highly partisan but that's ok, you can balance it by linking to a partisan source of your own.

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35403267)

It's likely that if the tube goes driverless, they'll still have an operator for exactly this reason.

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35403267)

Actually, the DLR trains are staffed. The have an operator who usually just starts the train and checks tickets, but they have the option of driving if something goes wrong. He or she also has to evacuate the train in the event of an emergency. I believe this is a requirement because if they do have to evacuate, the passengers may be walking along electrified tracks.

It's likely that if the tube goes driverless, they'll still have an operator for exactly this reason.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35403272)

True but the big difference is that operator won't be on extortionate wages and is much easier to replace quickly should the threat of strikes loom

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35403275)

I've only used them twice, and both times in the evening. There was no member of staff that I could see either time. :confused:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35403228)

Achieved what, in comparison to Boris? Here's a piece to start you off; it's highly partisan but that's ok, you can balance it by linking to a partisan source of your own.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/an...y-truth-audit/

Driverless trains, by the way, need safety attendants, not standby drivers. They are easier to train and easier to replace in the event of strike action.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35403258)

If they have to work more hours, then they should get overtime....end of story.



As a higher management Londoner, I would have thought that you would have been on the DLR Alan. Go and have a ride on one and you will see that there are no staff at all. After all you are a train enthusiast, as you were a member of a train forum until you got banned recently.



Alan it is you who defends the communist system, that has failed in most countries worldwide.



Now you are talking complete rubbish yet again. The tube drivers can hold their employers to ransom for the olympics. But how many of them will love their union so much when they lose their jobs due to automated trains??

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35403272)

True but the big difference is that operator won't be on extortionate wages and is much easier to replace quickly should the threat of strikes loom

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403688)

Since that link is from a patisan newspaper, It does not count.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35403713)

That's pathetic. Why don't you just stick your fingers in your ears and go la la la while you're at it.



What you are is an armchair-dwelling waffle-pot with no coherent idea about how business or politics works in the UK.

As for 'radical reformer' .... ROFL. All you do is yell about how we need radical reform. Well, where's your manifesto?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403688)

Since that link is from a patisan newspaper, It does not count

Yes Ken Livingstone is friends with communists and islamists, yes he is rather flawed, but if you look at 2000-2008 he had done a lot like:

Invest into Tube and buses, which in turn have lead to more people use it

He helped bring the Olympics to East London

He has been defending London for a long time

He has helped cut crime and increase the number of police officers

Boris on the other hand has achived this:

A messed up transport and crime policy

More questions on the people that work for him

Doing poor sponsership deals

etc...

Neather Boris or Ken are perfect, but the idiot that is Boris is worse then Ken

If the Safety attendants go on stike it is not easy to replace them, they would need training to deal; with the job and nothing will train, only that the staff will be on another part of the train

Remember, some like have ATC, no diffrence when a Strike happened, it is much better to co-operate (which Ken largely did) than have a fight with the unions (which Boris had done)

Rathet than compplain about tube drivers, do what they do

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If they work overtime, then they should be paid a decent rate


Also now that you have told about the fact about the DLR, crimminals all over London will be on the DLR doing what they do best

Also if TFL desides to sake all their drivers, then there will be the mother ofall strikes, because now their jobs are under threat

Also Rail UK Forums kicked me out on the basis on slurs and lies and my attemps to deal with that, also they violated freedom of seech as well

Speaking of lies, you now accuse me of being a communist, I have never stated that I liked communism and I am not keen on at

What I am is a radical reformer who wants a better form a capitalism and democracy

Lastly does you know this guy, you remind me of him :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/03/14.jpg

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They might be if they are a member of RMT/ASLEF and you cannot operate the trains without them, if they did sack anyone over a stike/union related issue, TFL will have a big legal challage on their hands, otherwise the LU drive would have been saked a long time ago

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35403713)

What you are is an armchair-dwelling waffle-pot with no coherent idea about how business or politics works in the UK.

As for 'radical reformer' .... ROFL. All you do is yell about how we need radical reform. Well, where's your manifesto?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35403714)

I accept you points, but I do not agree with them

I have made some points about what I think should be done

Originally Posted by @AlanFry1 on Twitter

We nned to raise money to get real weapons to turn the occupy movement into anti-1% terrorist movement!

Originally Posted by @AlanFry1 on Twitter

Fight austerity by any means, even violence

Originally Posted by @AlanFry1 on Twitter

The Occupy movement must turn to Violence and rioting

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35403891)

What, you mean like



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You're either a deeply unpleasant (but harmless) fantasist, or an idiot with his very own file at Thames House. I expect it's the former but I hope it's the latter. The thought of Harry Pearce sending someone round to have a chat with you is quite amusing.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35403916)

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I hope he has not asked for you site to be included. My feelings are you have a time bomb on this forum who could bite you well and truly on the bottom

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35403789)

And I should think that they also found out about your Twitter and Facebook sites.