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RichardCoulter 22-01-2012 13:52
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Well, you know the ins and outs of this much more than me, but i've never come across a case like this before.

Usually, for example, if a case on equal pay for women is won, all female employees would be entitled to a payout, regardless of trade union membership or not. Whether that's fair is another matter...

Please keep us all updated :)

Peter_ 22-01-2012 14:03
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35367199)
Well, you know the ins and outs of this much more than me, but i've never come across a case like this before.

Usually, for example, if a case on equal pay for women is won, all female employees would be entitled to a payout, regardless of trade union membership or not. Whether that's fair is another matter...

Please keep us all updated :)
If a case has been taken up by a union then that has been done on behalf of its members of that union and not any non members, hence any payout would only be for the members as they continued to pay their subscription, plus if you stop paying your subscription you would not be entitled to anything either.

It is down to personal choice and if those non members wanted to pursue a claim they would have to go through their own lawyers.

This is one of the reasons for paying out your union subscriptions and continuing to do so after the site closes as all unions have a legal arm.

martyh 22-01-2012 14:19
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35366795)
Any payments made to former Woolworths staff through this scheme will ultimately come from the National Insurance Fund ie the fund that we pay into to meet the cost of non means tested social security benefits.



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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35366798)
That will not apply above though so a separate issue.

since the company (namely VM) is still trading then VM will foot the bill for any redundancy payments.If VM where insolvent then any redundancy payments would be paid from the national insurance fund and dealt with by the DTI .
There is no special redundancy payments for union members only :rolleyes:.The unions will negotiate on behalf of all workers not just members .The case with Woolworths is a matter of interpretation of the redundancy law as all those payments are being made by the National Insurance fund .The union is merely highlighting a perceived injustice

Peter_ 22-01-2012 14:53
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367214)
since the company (namely VM) is still trading then VM will foot the bill for any redundancy payments.If VM where insolvent then any redundancy payments would be paid from the national insurance fund and dealt with by the DTI .
There is no special redundancy payments for union members only :rolleyes:.The unions will negotiate on behalf of all workers not just members .The case with Woolworths is a matter of interpretation of the redundancy law as all those payments are being made by the National Insurance fund .The union is merely highlighting a perceived injustice
Actually it is just on behalf of the union members hence the requirement to continue with your subscription.

martyh 22-01-2012 15:03
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367231)
Actually it is just on behalf of the union members hence the requirement to continue with your subscription.
so it will be comming from union funds then

Peter_ 22-01-2012 15:09
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367239)
so it will be comming from union funds then
If you mean any compensation it would be from the company but any legal action will be funded by the union hence if you are not a member you will not be part of any legal action taken and therefore not entitled to anything.

martyh 22-01-2012 15:19
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367243)
If you mean any compensation it would be from the company but any legal action will be funded by the union hence if you are not a member you will not be part of any legal action taken and therefore not entitled to anything.
mmm i think you are reading the woolworth article incorrectly ,it is for the RPO to decide who is entitled to payments not the unions ,all the union have done is highlight a injustice .The only employees who won't receive the payment are those who worked in stores with less than 20 workers

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“However, I’m once again bitterly disappointed that a Tribunal has limited the scope of the award. The fact that some of our members won’t be compensated simply because their store had less than 20 employees is just plain wrong and shows the gaping loophole and injustice of the current legislation. Nearly 30,000 employees were made redundant from Woolworths at the same time and for the same reason, so to suggest 3,000 of them didn’t constitute a collective redundancy is a nonsense.”
http://www.usdaw.org.uk/newsevents/n...oncompens.aspx

gazzae 22-01-2012 15:34
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367243)
If you mean any compensation it would be from the company but any legal action will be funded by the union hence if you are not a member you will not be part of any legal action taken and therefore not entitled to anything.
Are you claiming that over 90% of Woolworths employees were USDAW members?

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The shopworkers union Usdaw has won compensation worth up to massive £67.8 million for over 24,000 former employees of Woolworths made redundant when the firm collapsed at the end of 2008.
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The iconic high street retailer went into administration on 27 November 2008 and by early January 2009 the administrators had closed all of Woolworths stores, offices and distribution centres and made nearly 30,000 people redundant in the process.
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Unfortunately, as occurred in a similar case involving former employees of Ethel Austin, the compensation award excludes all former employees who happened to work in smaller stores where fewer than 20 redundancies were made. This means around 3,000 employees who worked in around 180 of the 814 stores covered by today’s judgement may never receive compensation.
http://www.usdaw.org.uk/newsevents/n...oncompens.aspx

RichardCoulter 22-01-2012 15:48
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Morally, it should only be trade union members who benefit from this.

In reality, I believe that all those entitled to a payout as a result of the unions' action in highlighting the non compliance of redundancy laws, will receive compensation, regardless of membership or not of said union.

There may well be cases where a former employee who is a trade union member will not receive any money because they worked in a store with less than 20 employees. Conversely, a former employee who was not a trade union member, who worked in a store with more than 20 employees, WILL receive a payout of the unions' action!!!

martyh 22-01-2012 16:25
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35367275)
Morally, it should only be trade union members who benefit from this.

In reality, I believe that all those entitled to a payout as a result of the unions' action in highlighting the non compliance of redundancy laws, will receive compensation, regardless of membership or not of said union.

There may well be cases where a former employee who is a trade union member will not receive any money because they worked in a store with less than 20 employees. Conversely, a former employee who was not a trade union member, who worked in a store with more than 20 employees, WILL receive a payout of the unions' action!!!
That will most likely be the case in some instances ,but then the unions only have themselves to blame for losing the closed shop

qasdfdsaq 22-01-2012 16:28
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35367275)
Morally, it should only be trade union members who benefit from this.
Incorrect.

Morally, all those who have been wronged by a violation of the law should benefit from this. To suggest otherwise is like saying I can assault, burgle or harrass you but you can only get compensation if you're a member of a union.

Trade unions negotiate on behalf of everybody, not just union members. When agreements are reached it applies to all workers, not just union members. Even if just one employee is a union member all employees of that organisation stand to benefit.

Particularly with respect to employment law, employers have to obey the law whether you are a union member or not.

martyh 22-01-2012 16:30
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35367298)
Incorrect.

Morally, all those who have been wronged by a violation of the law should benefit from this.

Trade unions negotiate on behalf of everybody, not just union members. When agreements are reached it applies to all workers, not just union members. Even if just one employee is a union member all employees of that organisation stand to benefit.
spot on

Peter_ 22-01-2012 16:38
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Any action taken will only benefit union members as this will be taken up on behalf of the membership by the union solicitors and if anyone is not a member at the time then they will not be included in any potential settlement, nothing to do with morality rather membership of the union.

It is different with wage negotiations as non union people still benefit but cases taken up by unions are only on behalf of those members who where and continue to remain members, if a win happens then it will only benefit those members.

If you are not a member then you made your choice a while back.

martyh 22-01-2012 16:45
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367307)
Any action taken will only benefit union members as this will be taken up on behalf of the membership by the union solicitors and if anyone is not a member at the time then they will not be included in any potential settlement, nothing to do with morality rather membership of the union.

It is different with wage negotiations as non union people still benefit but cases taken up by unions are only on behalf of those members who where and continue to remain members, if a win happens then it will only benefit those members.

If you are not a member then you made your choice a while back.
Where does it say that ,please provide some evidence .Employment law counts for all workers not just union members ..

Peter_ 22-01-2012 16:55
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367314)
Where does it say that ,please provide some evidence .Employment law counts for all workers not just union members ..
Anything taken out on behalf of the branch members will not include the non union members, they can take out their own legal challenge though, why do you think we pay our union dues.

martyh 22-01-2012 17:02
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367319)
Anything taken out on behalf of the branch members will not include the non union members, they can take out their own legal challenge though, why do you think we pay our union dues.
with respect but that's hogwash

Peter_ 22-01-2012 17:07
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367323)
with respect but that's hogwash
Why would non members benefit from union members we already know that they will not but if you choose to believe otherwise thats fine by me as oddly the union will have no details of non members on file and nor will they be included in any legal challenge.

martyh 22-01-2012 17:14
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367325)
Why would non members benefit from union members we already know that they will not but if you choose to believe otherwise thats fine by me as oddly the union will have no details of non members on file and nor will they be included in any legal challenge.
Any action undertaken by the union/s will affect/benefit all workers not just union members that has always been the case and always will be .I will repeat ,in the case of the woolworths redundency ,indeed any redundency claim it is a matter of law ,the same law that applies to everyone not just union members .It may not be moraly right but such is life

Digital Fanatic 22-01-2012 17:22
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367330)
Any action undertaken by the union/s will affect/benefit all workers not just union members that has always been the case and always will be .I will repeat ,in the case of the woolworths redundency ,indeed any redundency claim it is a matter of law ,the same law that applies to everyone not just union members .It may not be moraly right but such is life
The VM Albert Dock issue isn't about redundancy money though. The Union are seeking damages from VM for it's members.

Are you saying that someone who hasn't paid in to the Union and the Union have no details for will be entitled to the compensation?

martyh 22-01-2012 17:31
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35367335)
The VM Albert Dock issue isn't about redundancy money though. The Union are seeking damages from VM for it's members.

Are you saying that someone who hasn't paid in to the Union and the Union have no details for will be entitled to the compensation?
In what respect are they seeking damages Peter has compared the issue to that of the woolworths employees so one must assume it is redundancy related and therefore a matter of law

Digital Fanatic 22-01-2012 17:37
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367343)
In what respect are they seeking damages Peter has compared the issue to that of the woolworths employees so one must assume it is redundancy related and therefore a matter of law
Probably best I don't say any more TBH. We will let you know the outcome as it may be useful for anyone else in a similar position ;)

Peter_ 22-01-2012 17:44
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367343)
In what respect are they seeking damages Peter has compared the issue to that of the woolworths employees so one must assume it is redundancy related and therefore a matter of law
I said it was good news but not a direct comparison I never stated that it was to be done in a similar way just that it was on behalf of union members only, Digi has filled in the reason as to why.

No real issue as any company should accept that a union will fight them on behalf of their members hence the need to continue with our subscriptions.

martyh 22-01-2012 17:48
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35367346)
Probably best I don't say any more TBH. We will let you know the outcome as it may be useful for anyone else in a similar position ;)
I will wait with baited breath ;)

Sephiroth 22-01-2012 18:37
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Anyway, what's all this to do with the Albert Dock lot?

VM will make the necessary payments to employees, and I'd bet Adecco have some sort of get out with the agency staff; I don't now about those cases, obviously.

martyh 22-01-2012 18:41
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35367379)
Anyway, what's all this to do with the Albert Dock lot?

VM will make the necessary payments to employees, and I'd bet Adecco have some sort of get out with the agency staff; I don't now about those cases, obviously.
It would apear that the union have taken out a private law suit on behalf of the members ,although what this has to do with the woolworth case and why it was linked with VM's closure of Albert Dock escapes me

Chrysalis 22-01-2012 19:02
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Has the superhub had a factor here? I remember saying when it got launched the end game would be redundancies, as I assume tech support has been made easier now to the point less staff are needed to allow these redudancies.

Peter_ 22-01-2012 20:24
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35367395)
Has the superhub had a factor here? I remember saying when it got launched the end game would be redundancies, as I assume tech support has been made easier now to the point less staff are needed to allow these redudancies.
We are still very busy so doubtful especially as they are replacing our staff with people in Swansea, especially our 2nd line agents just look at the community forum for proof of that with all the new names recently registered.

martyh 22-01-2012 20:34
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367460)
We are still very busy so doubtful especially as they are replacing our staff with people in Swansea, especially our 2nd line agents just look at the community forum for proof of that with all the new names recently registered.

somebody tell me that they are making redundencies so they can afford a massive expansion of the network and i can get rid of my crappy 5mg ADSL

Digital Fanatic 22-01-2012 20:35
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367471)
somebody tell me that they are making redundencies so they can afford a massive expansion of the network and i can get rid of my crappy 5mg ADSL
No, they are closing Liverpool and moving the work to Swansea which is expanding it's workforce.

Peter_ 22-01-2012 20:35
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367471)
somebody tell me that they are making redundencies so they can afford a massive expansion of the network and i can get rid of my crappy 5mg ADSL
As above we are being replaced by Swansea supposedly so they can all be in house.

richard1960 22-01-2012 20:39
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35367030)
Why won't it apply, where is the money coming from? :confused:



I sympathise with trade union members who, for example, pay trade union subscriptions and are prepared to face the possible consequences of taking industrial action in order to achieve a pay rise, only to see a non union colleague who has done nothing to help, receive the pay rise too.

It's a bit like two houses where both get burgled. One has paid insurance, yet the other that hasn't still gets reimbursed for the stolen items.

You do have a point about some Trade Union leaders though, i've met a few...





I would imagine that if a group of former employees have been identified as being due a payment, trade union membership is irrelevant, unless this payment is different to the one i'm thinking of...
Well in my view it should not be why should paying union members whose subs were used to fund this case subsidise those those that could not be bothered or at worst like somebody i work with make a boast out of not joining the union,but are content to take all it negotiates for rant over,the only rerason the ex woolies saff were identified for a payout was bcause the union fought for one.:mad:

I feel very sorry for all the albert dock staff who have proved very helpful on here,and wish each and every one a swift return to employment

martyh 22-01-2012 20:51
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367474)
As above we are being replaced by Swansea supposedly so they can all be in house.

Damn ,that's not the answer i wanted ...oh well back to the crappy 5mg then :D

Peter_ 22-01-2012 21:11
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367482)
Damn ,that's not the answer i wanted ...oh well back to the crappy 5mg then :D
You could always move to a cabled area.:D

martyh 22-01-2012 21:16
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367505)
You could always move to a cabled area.:D
I could ,but had to move this year from a cabled area so another isn't on the cards at all .The annoying thing is the next street is cabled ,i have enquired with 'cable my street' but at the moment there are no plans to extend ,i can but live in hope :D

Peter_ 22-01-2012 21:18
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367508)
I could ,but had to move this year from a cabled area so another isn't on the cards at all .The annoying thing is the next street is cabled ,i have enquired with 'cable my street' but at the moment there are no plans to extend ,i can but live in hope :D
Periodically email them and ask others in the road to do likewise.

martyh 22-01-2012 21:24
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35367512)
Periodically email them and ask others in the road to do likewise.
We are hoping that the new developement accross the field will allow us to get cable as that is all going to be fibre optic cable and i know that BT infinity will be available in the next couple of months

Chrysalis 23-01-2012 01:10
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35367508)
I could ,but had to move this year from a cabled area so another isn't on the cards at all .The annoying thing is the next street is cabled ,i have enquired with 'cable my street' but at the moment there are no plans to extend ,i can but live in hope :D
How much cash would there be to expand if they werent paying branson?

RichardCoulter 23-01-2012 19:37
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
I would imagine that Sir Branson put money INTO the company and allowed them to use the brand name in return for his shares, so without his involvement there would be even LESS capital in the business.

In return, VM received a cash injection and a chance to ditch the tarnished brand that was NTL, in favour of a more respected and trusted brand.

I do know that he insisted on various changes before he allowed this, particularly to improve the appalling customer service.

Sephiroth 23-01-2012 20:17
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35368036)
I would imagine that Sir Branson put money INTO the company and allowed them to use the brand name in return for his shares, so without his involvement there would be even LESS capital in the business.

In return, VM received a cash injection and a chance to ditch the tarnished brand that was NTL, in favour of a more respected and trusted brand.

I do know that he insisted on various changes before he allowed this, particularly to improve the appalling customer service.
I don't think so. Here's what it says in Wikipedia:

In December 2005 NTL:Telewest and Virgin Mobile UK announced that talks had taken place regarding a merger.

Virgin Mobile's independent directors rejected the original bid of £817 million ($1.4 billion), taking the view that NTL's bid "undervalued the business". Sir Richard Branson reportedly expressed confidence that a re-structured deal could go ahead, and in January 2006 NTL increased its offer to £961 m (372p per share). On 4 April 2006, NTL announced a £962.4 m recommended offer for Virgin Mobile. According to reports, Branson accepted a mix of shares and cash, making him a 10.7% shareholder of the combined company.

RichardCoulter 24-01-2012 00:45
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
So that's what happened, thanks for the info....interesting.

Peter_ 10-02-2012 16:55
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Today Friday 10th February was my last day with Virgin Media, I left the premises for the last time at 12pm.

I took my redundancy early as opposed to the official closure date of the 30th April but I doubt it will get that far as people are leaving in droves the majority with a new position.

Now all I need to do is look to the future.:)

joglynne 10-02-2012 17:20
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379497)
Today Friday 10th February was my last day with Virgin Media, I left the premises for the last time at 12pm.

I took my redundancy early as opposed to the official closure date of the 30th April but I doubt it will get that far as people are leaving in droves the majority with a new position.

Now all I need to do is look to the future.:)
Thank you for all your help in the past Peter. Virgin Media have shot themselves in the foot letting all the staff at the Dock go. You all deserved better.

Digital Fanatic 10-02-2012 17:27
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379497)
Today Friday 10th February was my last day with Virgin Media, I left the premises for the last time at 12pm.

I took my redundancy early as opposed to the official closure date of the 30th April but I doubt it will get that far as people are leaving in droves the majority with a new position.

Now all I need to do is look to the future.:)
Good luck Peter, I'm leaving next Friday...

Sirius 10-02-2012 17:37
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379497)
Today Friday 10th February was my last day with Virgin Media, I left the premises for the last time at 12pm.

I took my redundancy early as opposed to the official closure date of the 30th April but I doubt it will get that far as people are leaving in droves the majority with a new position.

Now all I need to do is look to the future.:)
Good luck m8

pabscars 10-02-2012 17:43
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35379519)
Good luck m8
Seconded :)

Maybe your just destined for better things. I hope it all goes well for you Peter



Oh and may I suggest you do the sensible thing and go out tonight and get absolutely rat arsed

jb66 10-02-2012 17:53
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Good luck guys

Peter_ 10-02-2012 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35379528)
Seconded :)

Maybe your just destined for better things. I hope it all goes well for you Peter



Oh and may I suggest you do the sensible thing and go out tonight and get absolutely rat arsed
Going to York tomorrow so will have a nice drink or two there.;)

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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 35379510)
Thank you for all your help in the past Peter. Virgin Media have shot themselves in the foot letting all the staff at the Dock go. You all deserved better.
I doubt it will see the end of March due to the amount of people leaving.

Mr Angry 10-02-2012 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379497)
Today Friday 10th February was my last day with Virgin Media, I left the premises for the last time at 12pm.

I took my redundancy early as opposed to the official closure date of the 30th April but I doubt it will get that far as people are leaving in droves the majority with a new position.

Now all I need to do is look to the future.:)
All the very best for the future Peter.

Peter_ 10-02-2012 18:21
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35379513)
Good luck Peter, I'm leaving next Friday...
Plenty more will be leaving with you.;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35379519)
Good luck m8
Thank you:)

richard1960 10-02-2012 18:21
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379497)
Today Friday 10th February was my last day with Virgin Media, I left the premises for the last time at 12pm.

I took my redundancy early as opposed to the official closure date of the 30th April but I doubt it will get that far as people are leaving in droves the majority with a new position.

Now all I need to do is look to the future.:)
Its a terrible shame VM are losing very capable and knowledgeable staff i feel for you and hope if you have not done so yet you find work soon.:):(

As has been said you all deserve better.:(

Peter_ 10-02-2012 18:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35379533)
Good luck guys



Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35379554)
All the very best for the future Peter.
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Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35379557)
Its a terrible shame VM are losing very capable and knowledgeable staff i feel for you and hope if you have not done so yet you find work soon.:):(

As has been said you all deserve better.:(
Thanks guys.:)

TheDaddy 10-02-2012 18:26
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Good luck to you and everyone else losing their jobs :tu:

Peter_ 10-02-2012 18:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35379562)
Good luck to you and everyone else losing their jobs :tu:
The good thing is that the are many jobs available locally so most should get something and hopefully it will be for the better.:)

g0mit 10-02-2012 18:54
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Good luke Peter

slowcoach 10-02-2012 19:49
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
All my best wishes for the future Peter, you have been outstanding with your advice here on the Forum for what seems like forever. No doubt you will show the same dedication in your next position, I just hope that you will be more appreciated for it next time round.
Good luck...

Peter_ 10-02-2012 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g0mit (Post 35379576)
Good luke Peter


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Originally Posted by slowcoach (Post 35379610)
All my best wishes for the future Peter, you have been outstanding with your advice here on the Forum for what seems like forever. No doubt you will show the same dedication in your next position, I just hope that you will be more appreciated for it next time round.
Good luck...
Thanks guys much appreciated.:)

Mick Fisher 10-02-2012 20:22
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Good luck for the future mate. :)

I hope you get fixed up with a new position real quick and hopefully with a Company more deserving of your skills.

Peter_ 10-02-2012 20:27
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35379636)
Good luck for the future mate. :)

I hope you get fixed up with a new position real quick and hopefully with a Company more deserving of your skills.
Thank you, I will have been offered a position and will post once it has been offered in writing.;)

jb66 10-02-2012 20:47
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379643)
Thank you, I will have been offered a position and will post once it has been offered in writing.;)
Sky?

Skie 10-02-2012 21:20
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by g0mit (Post 35379576)
Good luke Peter
May the force be with him

Digital Fanatic 10-02-2012 21:21
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35379654)
Sky?
;)

Peter_ 10-02-2012 22:01
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35379654)
Sky?
Not technical support and the only SKY jobs I know of are those poor guys in the shopping arcades trying to get you to sign up.:D.

RichardCoulter 11-02-2012 01:55
Re: Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock
 
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379643)
Thank you, I will have been offered a position and will post once it has been offered in writing.;)
Is it the same position that you were offered last November?

Most people dislike change, but life is like a book, as one chapter ends, another one starts :)

Chrysalis 11-02-2012 02:45
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35379497)
Today Friday 10th February was my last day with Virgin Media, I left the premises for the last time at 12pm.

I took my redundancy early as opposed to the official closure date of the 30th April but I doubt it will get that far as people are leaving in droves the majority with a new position.

Now all I need to do is look to the future.:)
Seems you lucky your area has a lot of work. good luck.

Peter_ 11-02-2012 08:21
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35379789)
Is it the same position that you were offered last November?
No that was a completely different position which I have also now left as it was working from home.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35379796)
Seems you lucky your area has a lot of work. good luck.
The are many none to dissimilar position locally so most should find something.

jb66 11-02-2012 08:54
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Maybe he'll be a community forum mod

Sephiroth 11-02-2012 10:59
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I hope we tangle again,, Peter! Best wishes.

thunderlips 11-02-2012 11:06
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just wanted to ask the cable forum team team who virgin are letting go, are you going to keep your virgin media services ?

Sirius 11-02-2012 11:29
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Originally Posted by thunderlips (Post 35379858)
just wanted to ask the cable forum team team who virgin are letting go, are you going to keep your virgin media services ?
Why would that be of interest to you ?

thunderlips 11-02-2012 11:32
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its just a question thats all !

Digital Fanatic 11-02-2012 12:20
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Originally Posted by thunderlips (Post 35379858)
just wanted to ask the cable forum team team who virgin are letting go, are you going to keep your virgin media services ?
A personal question, but yes I will be. I wouldn't touch BT or Sky. :)

denphone 11-02-2012 12:21
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35379903)
A personal question, but yes I will be. I wouldn't touch BT or Sky. :)
l will second that.:tu:

thunderlips 11-02-2012 13:15
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i am naughty lol i didnt mean it to sound a personal question ! thanks anyway !

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all the best to you all anyway !

Digital Fanatic 11-02-2012 13:20
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Originally Posted by thunderlips (Post 35379931)
i am naughty lol i didnt mean it to sound a personal question ! thanks anyway !

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all the best to you all anyway !
It's ok... thanks :)

qasdfdsaq 11-02-2012 17:46
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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35379829)
Maybe he'll be a community forum mod
Yuck.

Peter_ 11-02-2012 21:22
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Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35379829)
Maybe he'll be a community forum mod
You have to be employed by Lithium and live in Canada to be a Community Forum Moderator as they are completely separate to the Forum Team who soon will live only in Swansea.;)

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Originally Posted by thunderlips (Post 35379858)
just wanted to ask the cable forum team team who virgin are letting go, are you going to keep your virgin media services ?
I would not touch a BT line with the proverbial dirty stick so without a doubt I will keep my Virgin Media services if you click my signature you will see why, if I was with BT that would be less than 2Mb.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35379857)
I hope we tangle again,, Peter! Best wishes.
Thanks Seph.:)

jb66 11-02-2012 21:22
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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35380091)
Yuck.
Lol I wish I could subscribe to your posts!

RichardCoulter 12-02-2012 01:23
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Originally Posted by thunderlips (Post 35379931)
i am naughty lol i didnt mean it to sound a personal question ! thanks anyway !

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all the best to you all anyway !
I don't think it was an unreasonable or personal question at all, it was just Sirius stirring things up.

It says something if former members of staff, who have been made redundant, still rate VM products. This is in spite of them now having nothing to lose or the fact that some of them feel bitter.

I believe that a personal question would be something along the lines of "how much do you have in the bank", or "when did you last have sex"!!! :D

gazzae 12-02-2012 02:03
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35380298)
I believe that a personal question would be something along the lines of "how much do you have in the bank", or "when did you last have sex"!!! :D

3 million and 5 minutes ago (twice). :smokin:

Peter_ 12-02-2012 10:19
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35380298)

It says something if former members of staff, who have been made redundant, still rate VM products. This is in spite of them now having nothing to lose or the fact that some of them feel bitter.
I certainly would not go to BT or any ADSL supplier as it would amount to a serious downgrade of my broadband service and I prefer a connection with a fast download speed.

Even when Infinity finally reaches here I will not touch it with the proverbial dirty stick because it is a BT product.

Sirius 12-02-2012 11:52
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35380298)
I don't think it was an unreasonable or personal question at all, it was just Sirius stirring things up.

Pot and kettle spring to mind, This coming from a poster that constantly asks questions of members of staff who work for VM about what they think of VM and there employment but NEVER asks the same of any one else on this forum. Its rather creepy to be honest

RichardCoulter 13-02-2012 23:01
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35380298)
I don't think it was an unreasonable or personal question at all, it was just Sirius stirring things up.

It says something if former members of staff, who have been made redundant, still rate VM products. This is in spite of them now having nothing to lose or the fact that some of them feel bitter.

I believe that a personal question would be something along the lines of "how much do you have in the bank", or "when did you last have sex"!!! :D
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35380308)
3 million and 5 minutes ago (twice). :smokin:
:D:D

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35380406)
Pot and kettle spring to mind, This coming from a poster that constantly asks questions of members of staff who work for VM about what they think of VM and there employment but NEVER asks the same of any one else on this forum. Its rather creepy to be honest
Utter nonsense.

If you have a problem with me, or any other poster, you are reminded that there is an ignore facility available for your use.

Getting back on topic, it's such an ironic shame that, on this occasion, VM are losing some of the better members of staff as a result of the redundancy process :( I made my feelings known at a gathering last Saturday.

At the weekend it was also discussed that, notwithstanding legal requirements, management would like to be able to "cherry pick" certain individuals to stay who have demonstrated a commitment to the company and it's customers during future reorganisation.

Peter_ 13-02-2012 23:11
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35381585)

At the weekend it was also discussed that, notwithstanding legal requirements, management would like to be able to "cherry pick" certain individuals to stay who have demonstrated a commitment to the company and it's customers during future reorganisation.
Not really a viable solution and management are more than aware of that and have made the requisite noises regards people being able to transfer to Swansea.

But as per many of my previous posts most people have family commitments and mortgages and unless they are either single or quite stupid they would be putting themselves up for a possible fall considering that the positions on offer are for less money with worse terms and conditions, especially when you consider the amount of similar positions readily available in the Merseyside area.

Sirius 14-02-2012 07:45
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35381585)

At the weekend it was also discussed that, notwithstanding legal requirements, management would like to be able to "cherry pick" certain individuals to stay who have demonstrated a commitment to the company and it's customers during future reorganisation.
You can be so offensive in the way you post it goes beyond belief and i repeat "Its very creepy"

Hugh 14-02-2012 09:24
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35381585)
:D:D



Utter nonsense.

If you have a problem with me, or any other poster, you are reminded that there is an ignore facility available for your use.

Getting back on topic, it's such an ironic shame that, on this occasion, VM are losing some of the better members of staff as a result of the redundancy process :( I made my feelings known at a gathering last Saturday.

At the weekend it was also discussed that, notwithstanding legal requirements, management would like to be able to "cherry pick" certain individuals to stay who have demonstrated a commitment to the company and it's customers during future reorganisation.
Seriously?

You appear to be reporting, on an open forum that is frequented by ex-(and soon to be ex)employees of Virgin Media, that VM senior management discussing breaching Employment Law?

What is to stop the ex-VM employees reporting this discussion to their Union Reps?

Digital Fanatic 14-02-2012 13:02
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35381670)
Seriously?

You appear to be reporting, on an open forum that is frequented by ex-(and soon to be ex)employees of Virgin Media, that VM senior management discussing breaching Employment Law?

What is to stop the ex-VM employees reporting this discussion to their Union Reps?
If it's true, then it's a very serious breach.

Peter_ 14-02-2012 13:16
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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35381747)
If it's true, then it's a very serious breach.
As we will never know who he spoke to then it is just hearsay and the is little the CWU could do with that information unless the meeting is public knowledge and a record of minutes was kept.:(

RichardCoulter 14-02-2012 22:58
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35381664)
You can be so offensive in the way you post it goes beyond belief and i repeat "Its very creepy"
To save yourself from this alleged trauma, you should seriously consider putting me on ignore as these outbursts, both towards myself and others, are not doing you any favours.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35381670)
Seriously?

You appear to be reporting, on an open forum that is frequented by ex-(and soon to be ex)employees of Virgin Media, that VM senior management discussing breaching Employment Law?

What is to stop the ex-VM employees reporting this discussion to their Union Reps?
I can confirm that no discussion about breaching employment law took place- I should have expressed myself in a better fashion, for which I apologise.

I am limited in what I can say, but employment law will eventually be changing to help stimulate the economy and increase job opportunities.

There was talk of abolishing a whole raft of employment legislation altogether, which I disagreed with, but do expect the one year unfair dismissal rule to be sensibly increased back to two years.

(Most employers have cases where a rogue employee manages to keep their head down for a year before becoming problematic.)

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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35381751)
As we will never know who he spoke to then it is just hearsay and the is little the CWU could do with that information unless the meeting is public knowledge and a record of minutes was kept.:(
Indeed, but, in any case, Hugh got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

I am, however, led to believe that further reorganisation within VM will be taking place. The discussion centred around ways to legally keep members of staff, during any downsizing, who are considered an asset to the company ie those who are happy to go the extra mile and care deeply about corporate image, as opposed to those who are just "coasting" or who are actually rude and hostile, particularly towards customers and/or colleagues.

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35381747)
If it's true, then it's a very serious breach.
It's not true!!! You don't have long to go before you finish and I would like to wish you all the best for the future.

Hugh 14-02-2012 23:03
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Erm, no stick was wrongly grasped in any way, shape, or form - you in fact stated in reply to my comment
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I should have expressed myself in a better fashion, for which I apologise

RichardCoulter 15-02-2012 03:29
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I do not believe that my post stated what you were suggesting in any way.

I am confident that any action taken by reputable employers will not be preventable by the prevailing employment legislation as they will be wholly lawful measures.

I do accept that I could have put it in a more simplistic way in order to avoid confusing some people.

Peter_ 15-02-2012 07:52
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35382063)

I am, however, led to believe that further reorganisation within VM will be taking place. The discussion centred around ways to legally keep members of staff, during any downsizing, who are considered an asset to the company ie those who are happy to go the extra mile and care deeply about corporate image, as opposed to those who are just "coasting" or who are actually rude and hostile, particularly towards customers and/or colleagues.
Nothing to do with you but moving the jobs in the Albert Dock to Swansea is not a good way to hold on to any existing staff as the majority have family and in many cases mortgages in the Merseyside area.

They knew that the majority would find it impossible to even contemplate such a move due to personal circumstances, I do wish anyone well that has decided to make the move but I feel the question of trust cannot truly exist under the circumstances.

Anyone that takes up a position should also be aware that they will be expected to stay with the company for a minimum of 2 years or they will be required to pay back any monies given to help with their relocation, possibly pro rata the longer they stay there.

As I have said on many occasions the is no need for anyone to move due to the high availability of jobs locally.

Hugh 15-02-2012 07:52
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35382119)
I do not believe that my post stated what you were suggesting in any way.

I am confident that any action taken by reputable employers will not be preventable by the prevailing employment legislation as they will be wholly lawful measures.

I do accept that I could have put it in a more simplistic way in order to avoid confusing some people.
You would be, once more, mistaken.

Your back-pedalling and waffling are v. amusing - thank you for this.

RichardCoulter 15-02-2012 14:17
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35382136)
Nothing to do with you but moving the jobs in the Albert Dock to Swansea is not a good way to hold on to any existing staff as the majority have family and in many cases mortgages in the Merseyside area.

They knew that the majority would find it impossible to even contemplate such a move due to personal circumstances, I do wish anyone well that has decided to make the move but I feel the question of trust cannot truly exist under the circumstances.

Anyone that takes up a position should also be aware that they will be expected to stay with the company for a minimum of 2 years or they will be required to pay back any monies given to help with their relocation, possibly pro rata the longer they stay there.

As I have said on many occasions the is no need for anyone to move due to the high availability of jobs locally.
Albert Dock/Swansea were not the focus of the discussions. That situation is considered resolved and VM now appear to be looking to future measures in order to remain competitive.

I think that's sensible, but do hope that staff who have proved their commitment to VM are treated better in the future.

I have no knowledge of any pro rata relocation expenses being repayable beyond two years.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35382137)
You would be, once more, mistaken.

Your back-pedalling and waffling are v. amusing - thank you for this.
Nonsense.

Peter_ 15-02-2012 15:50
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35382289)
Albert Dock/Swansea were not the focus of the discussions. That situation is considered resolved and VM now appear to be looking to future measures in order to remain competitive.

I think that's sensible, but do hope that staff who have proved their commitment to VM are treated better in the future.
You cannot hope to keep your core staff if you relocate 200 miles away.


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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35382289)
I have no knowledge of any pro rata relocation expenses being repayable beyond two years.
We do thanks to the CWU and it is a standard agreement.

RichardCoulter 15-02-2012 23:50
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So, are you saying that if staff relocate and stay beyond the minimum two years, that, should they then decide to leave at a future date beyond this, that repayments would be due? :confused:

Hugh 15-02-2012 23:52
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That is not how I read it.

Peter_ 16-02-2012 07:50
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35382688)
So, are you saying that if staff relocate and stay beyond the minimum two years, that, should they then decide to leave at a future date beyond this, that repayments would be due? :confused:
No that is incorrect how did you come to that conclusion.

If you re read what I posted it says that they have to stay in the new position for a minimum of 2 years or they will be required to repay any relocation fees incurred that were paid by the employer.

Sephiroth 17-02-2012 17:15
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35382688)
So, are you saying that if staff relocate and stay beyond the minimum two years, that, should they then decide to leave at a future date beyond this, that repayments would be due? :confused:
This is a very long thread - so please forgive me if the questions I put below have been answered.

Exactly what is your standing with Virgin Media in relation to this matter? Are you a party to negotiations? An advisor to VM or an employee or a union? Or what?

The answers would more fully place your points into perspective.

Peter_ 17-02-2012 18:05
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35383542)
This is a very long thread - so please forgive me if the questions I put below have been answered.

Exactly what is your standing with Virgin Media in relation to this matter? Are you a party to negotiations? An advisor to VM or an employee or a union? Or what?

The answers would more fully place your points into perspective.
As far as I am aware he is a customer the same as you and I.

Sirius 17-02-2012 18:07
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Originally Posted by Peter_ (Post 35383561)
As far as I am aware he is a customer the same as you and I.
With connections in high places :rolleyes:


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