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Come on Wales, you can beat the French.
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Good luck to Wales today in their quest to reach the Rugby World Cup Final.
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Terrible decision, and likely to decide the match :(
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Horrible tackle though.
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l think it was a yellow card tackle but now due to this referee he has ruined the game instead of showing common sense in a semi final.
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I have just screamed...my neighbours will be wondering what I am doing :D
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Bravo France! Unlucky Wales.
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Bad luck, boyos ...
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Yes bad luck to Wales who deserved better.
---------- Post added at 11:00 ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 ---------- Full time score Wales 8 France 9 http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...oot+into+wales |
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Paddy Power have decided to refund all losing Welsh bets due to the poor decision of the ref.
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Another one of 'those' decisions but over the years many teams have been badly hurt as a result of similarly dubious decisons in big matches like this. There's no doubt in my mind that it was a yellow card offence but as for the red, well I've heard the IRB's rules effectively took the decision out of the ref's hands. As I stated earlier in this thread, I reckon there must be room for some form of intervention in cases likes this. If the TMO can ruminate for an eternity over the grounding of a ball I don't see why there shouldn't be some form of review system when a big decision is clearly contentious.
All that having been said, the final penalty chance for Wales should have been a French penalty and I don't suppose the Welsh fans would've complained too much about winning in that manner had the kick gone over. Winning is what matters and you can say what you like about the French but they're in the final and the home nations aren't. Furthermore, they haven't got there playing pretty rugby or even winning all their matches but the history books won't care about any of that. The Welsh will rue their missed kicks and the dithering right at the death which led to them wasting a good drop goal chance. Tomorrow's game ought to be a cracker and I hope it lives up to its billing. |
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Wales captain Sam Warburton will miss Wales' World Cup third-place play-off match after receiving a three-week ban for his "dangerous tip tackle" in the semi-final defeat by France and again we have another over the top punishment for something that was generally given a yellow card in our hemisphere.
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Now l did now say that but what l am saying there should be a certain degree of common sense and leniency when applying the laws of the game and he did not do that.:) |
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It's not as simple as all that is it. Imagine how the losing side in a RWC final would feel having lost out because the ref decided to ignore a major rule and use his judgement instead. Suddenly 'common sense' becomes bad refereeing at best and favouritism at worst. Had Warburton not been sent off and France gone out I dare say the French would have had quite a bit to say about that decision and I don't think they'd have been praising the ref for using his common sense.
The IRB defined the rule quite clearly so from what I can see the ref. had no choice in the matter. If the rules regarding these situations are rewritten to allow more 'interpretation' by the ref. and require consultation with the other match officials before decisions are made in such cases then that might be the best, if not perfect, way to deal with scenarios like this. Having said that, had the rules been equally clear when the Lions played the All Blacks in 2005, Brian O'Driscoll almost certainly wouldn't have been dangerously spear tackled and forced out of the tour. If he had been, at least the 2 players involved would've been sent off and missed the rest of the series - a fitting punishment. That wouldn't have been a bad result for those of us who want to see an end to seriously dangerous and cynical play. |
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The refs have been given a direct order, if a player is tipped and dropped then you must send the tackler off. I fail to see how you can argue for them to ignore this. |
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Try telling that to many British supporters of Wales yesterday and even you seem unhappy at the decision looking at your previous post of 214.:) |
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The fact that the Wales supporters are clearly aggrieved makes my point that in such situations the ref. can't win because, whatever he decides, one lot won't be happy. The final penalty in the match is more evidence of that. Had it gone over the Welsh would've won due to a bad decision and the French would've rightly been complaining loud and clear as it was such an obvious mistake. Anyway, over the years, I've heard many a holier than thou 'lecture' aimed at the English for whining about refereeing decisions and blaming them for their failures so it's quite nice to be on the sidelines watching others engaged in the very same thing. Had Hook not been a let down on the day and Wales kicked their points it wouldn't have mattered. C'est la vie as they say in France..... ---------- Post added at 10:32 ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 ---------- Meanwhile back in the other semi-final - the All Blacks have stifled their opponents and, if they'd kicked their points, would've been out of sight a while ago. As it is with less than 10 mins to go 20-6 is a winning margin and the Wallabies are out. What is it with the kicking this time around? It's been pretty poor/inconsistent for the most part so perhaps what's needed is a standard ball the specification of which doesn't change and which the teams get plenty of chance to get used to before the big event takes place. |
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AUCKLAND, 16 Oct. - New Zealand will meet France in the RWC 2011 final after beating Australia in the second semi-final on Sunday 20-6.
The All Blacks dominated vast tracts of the semi-final and continued to chip away and increase the lead, but only scored the one first half try, and increased the lead by just six points in a second half in which they got a stern test from the Wallabies. http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/ma...+final+victory |
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Wales coach Warren Gatland has admitted he thought about asking one of his forwards to fake an injury during their World Cup semi-final defeat by France.
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We all know cheating goes on at one level or another and I'm sure Gatland isn't the first and won't be the last to have discussed such a thing during a match. Credit to him for not doing it.
Referees are never going to be perfect but if teams and players are going to bend rules and try to deceive the match officials then they it's a bit rich complaining when those same officials get it wrong. Albeit wrong and potentially dangerous, Warburton's tackle wasn't a malicious attempt to take out a player - it was an error of judgement no doubt brought about by the massive adrenaline rush he'd have been feeling. Worse for the game IMHO are those sneaky, cynical acts which give unfair advantage to the perpetrators (e.g. penalties or quicker ball) or spoil their opponent's ball. By their nature these 'offences' often go unseen and unpunished by the officials but they can/do have a massive effect on match outcomes. All teams are guilty at times - the All Blacks, for example, are adept at pushing the boundaries with offsides, holding on to the ball and not rolling away, thereby gaining quicker ball themselves whilst slowing it down for their opponents. They're so good at it that they frequently get away with it. I'd argue that more often than not it's these frequent and deliberate tactics which more unfairly affect results not acts like Warburton's. Anyway, until the players agree to be bound by a code of professional ethics on and off the field, we're going to see teams win matches by hook or by crook and that just brings the whole sport into disrepute IMHO. |
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On the day England trumpeted their prized status as hosts of the next World Cup in 2015, the national team were subjected to a mauling from former captain Will Carling over their conduct on and off the field at this tournament.
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Having gone behind to a Williams try from a forward pass and just wasted a great try scoring chance Australia look to have despatched Wales, leading 21-11 with just a few minutes left. More inexplicably poor and missed kicks from both sides to boot (pardon the pun). Those who believe the commentating is only poor and biased when England are playing ought to listen to the ITV commentator reflecting on the forward pass which led to the Welsh try. 'We'll overlook that for now....' or words to that effect - not sure the rest of the world would agree however. Anyway, a late Welsh try ends the match but doesn't change the result - 21-18 to the Wallabies.
As it happened: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/9620926.stm Apparently it's the All Blacks' cup to lose now but if the French start well (and they have nothing to lose after all) the jitters might be the true victors on the day. My money's on the Kiwis however. |
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True rugby fans from all nations detest trite/biased commentary and editorial from wherever it comes and whichever side it's directed towards to.
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Half time in the Rugby World Cup Final and The All Blacks lead France by 5-0.
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i think it was more that New Zealand weren't as good as people thought, not that France were great. I thought that Wales could have taken New Zealand
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At least the Kiwis didn't "bottle it", as has been previously posited by some people....
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True, and they had my vote from the start, but that wasn't hard to guess
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Well the All Blacks ground out a win when it mattered most and that's what's often required to win a world cup as England proved in 2003 so well done to them. Even so, the French could've won it late on but I can't believe many people would have considered them worthy winners or true world champions had they done so. All of the top teams can beat more or less any other on their day but for me there's still a significant gap between the southern and northern hemispheres when it comes to consistency over a period of time and in big competitions.
It'll be interesting to see how our home teams compete against the likes of NZ, SA and Australia the next time they play. Well done NZ and roll on 2016...... |
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