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asking a dodgy customer to leave is a sure fire way of making him/her more dodgy lol

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Not necessarily. In my experience, most people will leave if they are required to. They may moan about it, but they will do it.

If they don't, you can always involve the Police who will happily move them on (and did, the one time I did have trouble).

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I used to be a butcher. Our most problematic customers were Indians last thing on a Saturday wanting a shoulder of Lamb boned and defatted when all I wanted to do was go home lol lol

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Admittedly, the one time I did have trouble, I had good reason to believe the people concerned were nicking stock. They scarpered as soon as they saw the blue flashing lights of the Police car..

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Wasn't just single women who visited back street abortionists Zing.Contraception pre Pill was very unreliable.

As for the rest of your views well I cannot agree with all of them.

Some women were treated dreadfully by their husbands and during that time the idea that domestic abuse should be an affair for the police was unheard of.
I know you think women get an easy ride these days but there was a time when the laws of this country were very much weighted in the interests of men.Any woman who left her home and her children because of domestic abuse were deemed to have left the marital home and to have lost the right of access to their children.
Sadly there were no refuges for such women and their children and taking your children with you to live rough was not a solution for most women especially if they had no family to turn to.

As I said today there are some issues that are handled differently and there is a reason for that.I'm sad that some women having got to a better position re equality use it as a weapon against men..it's not right and it's not fair and it tars those women whom are not guilty of thinking that way.

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Well said.:clap:

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yes definately.

And I am glad women are not allowed to be beaten in the home that was never right

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Yes, tackling one unfairness by creating another isn't a solution.

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Interesting this

http://perezhilton.com/2011-04-18-ga...moved-facebook

They take it down because of a kiss, but some of my facebook friends who have pictures of themselves well drunk and half flashing! and they don't get taken down? :/

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Presumably because they don't get reported.

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at the end of the day mate the Facebook mods do not see everything. There is a report feature same as there is here. If it is indecent and reported it will be removed.

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Ah i didn't know that, i just thought Facebook chose to take it down.

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female friends? if so, we need links! :)

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What has any of this got to do with Cable Television? Nothing...

I wish I had not clicked on the thread as the level of homophobia expressed by some of the posters on this thread is nauseating...

I feel terribly sad for anyone who is so closed minded. Comments such as "men kissing makes me want to vomit" and the like are just plain nasty and I don't understand why they have not been removed by moderators..
They are offensive and uncalled for.

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I do not see believing in a God as a religion, i do not follow a set of rules laid out for me nor preach that others should follow those i do.

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Tbh, they can say whatever they like im not loosing sleep over it, whats the point? they are only words :).

Some need to stop worrying and moaning about others, worry and moan about your own life.

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This thread is in the part of the forum named the "Basement" where non-VM issues and topics are discussed.

Easy - we are not the thought police. Just because someone posts something you find objectionable does not mean it must be removed, people are entitled to their opinions even if others find them objectionable. We keep an eye on threads that may contain contentious matters and act on reported posts if required.

As it stands nothing has been posted here that breaks our T&Cs.

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I don't want to go too far off topic, but there is a massive difference between a belief in God and an organised religion. Religion implies a belief in a deity (not necessarily God, maybe Allah or another deity), but you do not need to follow a religion to believe in a deity. I'd have thought you of all people would know that.

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Indeed. It's hard enough for us to keep an eye on everything that goes on here, and we have only a few thousand members. Facebook has half a billion members, all of whom have their own photo albums and walls, amongst other things. They would have to keep track of over 1 billion pages..

The mods at facebook probably only act on reports. That's the only way they can act.

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Pah.. you're just too over sensitive, or just too PC.

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Isn't the freedom to be gay just as important as peoples freedom to express themselves? is it not all part of the same liberty? In fact freedom of expression often is the victim of other freedoms as I can not openly express how I feel about a great many subjects in society anymore

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Or maybe Gay? I can understand why some might find some of whats posted distasteful but we all have to put up with a lot of things we do not like don't we? ie governement corruption, wars in god forsaken countries both of which I find disgusting

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[QUOTE=Russ;35217346]This thread is in the part of the forum named the "Basement" where non-VM issues and topics are discussed.



"the Gutter" would seem more of an appropriate name for this particular thread..

Homophobic comments may not break the T&Cs of this forum but they are just as wrong as racism and just as prohibited by law, they break the equality act..

Maybe I am being too sensitive, maybe a little too PC or maybe Im just a person who dislikes reading hate speech targeted towards my community...

Yes I happen to be gay...

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There is nothing illegal about a person saying they find homosexual behaviour makes them feel uncomfortable. We do not do thought crimes in this country. if you want to live somewhere they legislate for what people think and feel as well as for how they act, try China or North Korea. But expect them to be rather less tolerant of your way of life than you are used to.

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Saying that you disagree with something or that you think it is wrong is not homophopia. By comparing the two, you cheapen the plight of those are generally suffering.

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Actually calling Gay people un-natural, and saying that they make you want to vomit is indeed unlawful, it's also morally wrong. If you did that in the workplace you would soon find yourself without a job..


I understand what you are saying people are of course entitled to think and feel however they choose to. Acting upon those feelings however is another matter entirely..

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[QUOTE=Karrington;35220143]
yes you are ,i will also add that you are wrong in just about every way possible .I have followed this thread since it started and have seen no homorphobic remarks .In this country the general populace is allowed to dislike sections of the community ,including gays ,lesbians,whatever as much as they are allowed to be part of a particular section of a community ,so get over yourself

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That's makes no sense. Racist talk is racism and homophobic talk is homophobia..

Do you only consider something homophobia when people are violently attacked?

If I were to say black people made me feel sick that would make me a racist..

If someone says gay people make them feel sick they are homophobic.

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that's called being PC something which you seem adept at ,it is not wrong or illegal for someone to voice there opinion or feelings no matter how much you dress it up .I dislike seeing 2 men kissing it seems unnatural to me so guess what i do ..i don't watch ..i ignore them ,i still feel the same way about it ,because all the PC rules that the likes of yourself invent can't change how i think any more than "us straights" can't change how gay people think

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Morally wrong? you mean like cheating on a partner? sex outside of marriage? theft ? murder? think morality is stretched pretty thin nowadays

It was obvious you were Gay btw only a uptight homosexual would feel the need jump in feet first into a thread like.

Please tell me where in law its illegal for me to say seeing 2 men kiss makes me feel sick? its just an opinion. Now if I was kicking your head in and saying you kissing your partner makes me sick then it would be.( just an example not a threat) If a group of Muslims can stand and tell a group of soldiers that they should be killed for Allah then I can say you make me feel queezy

I find it offensive that you think my opinions are any less important than yours actualy you are no better than me and your rights no more important than mine just because you happen to be part of a minority. Who do you think you are to come here and tell me how I or anyone else on this forum should think?

Oh and btw I am quite tolerant of homosexuality compared to some but not those who think they have more rights than me because of it

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you are allowed to be racist or homorphobic ,that isn't illegal it's acting on those feelings that is illegal ..as you said yourself

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may I just point out to you that being homophobic and rasist is only illegal when you act upon the beliefs and cause harressment or violently etc

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I can see this discussion is pointless. I was hoping to change your opinion, I obviously failed..

Nobody suggested extra or added rights for anybody. I expect total equality not extra rights...
I said your views are offensive, they are to me. I have a right to say that you have made that quite clear.

I came onto the thread because I found it an odd topic to be on here.. Me being uptight has nothing to do with it :)
I enjoy reading the threads here and thought it was a relatively progressive community..

How mistaken I was... Last time I bother discussing anything here of any real value.

I will go off and enjoy the sunshine, instead of wasting my time and energy here.

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There is your biggest miskake, Who are you to try and change anyone. I aint here trying to change you

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

what u have to realise is that everyone has a right to an opinion of their own. Saying Homosexuality is unnatural is just their opinion doesnt mean its a right nor a wrong opinion.

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No, it is not.

By which moral code?

That might be covered by that workplace's terms and conditions of employment - a matter wholly different than the law, or morality. It might come under the equality legislation under certain circumstances ... see below. This, however, is not a workplace. It is a discussion forum.

This goes to the heart of your failure to understand the equality legislation. Acting on feelings by merely expressing them aloud is not against any law. The law is only broken if that expression occurs in any of the specific contexts set down in the law, or if the expression is shown to be an aggravating factor in some other crime.

The phrase 'thought crime' is not confined to your inner monologue. The notion is generally held to encompass ideas about freedom of speech and expression also.

Oh, and you really were wasting your time if you thought you were going to change anyone's mind by coming in here and making half a dozen posts telling people what to think. The most you can hope for on a forum like this is an intelligent exchange of ideas and greater mutual understanding. If you want to influence anyone, it takes a lot of time and a willingness to listen as well as speak ... something your last post suggests you had no intention of doing.

Enjoy the sunshine. :wavey:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karrington http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
Actually calling Gay people un-natural, and saying that they make you want to vomit is indeed unlawful,

I think you'll find that the Public Order Act (Section 5) says it is - if it causes someone harassment, alarm or distress or to feel insulted.

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There has to be deliberate intent to cause harassment or distress though .That is a world away from voicing one's opinion

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... and I think you'll find that it is not an offence of absolute liability. I.E. intention to cause harassment, alarm or distress must be proved.

It is not enough for someone to stand up and say they are insulted in order to secure a conviction.

The contention here was that expressing disgust about homosexual activity is, in and of itself, illegal. That is not true.

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if someone keeps taking the mick out of my red hair and I feel insulted is that then a public order offence?

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(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

Do you see the word "deliberate" or "opinion" in there?

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Edit ... there is also a defence of 'reasonable conduct'. The Courts will decide what 'reasonable' means, however I would be surprised if any of the open, frank but measured discussion taking place in this thread were deemed to be unreasonable.

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If you deem it to be insulting or if it causes you distress then yes, it is.

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The facts (and indeed the law) say different.

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but there is no way on the face of the earth I would get a conviction out of it is there?

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I'm not sure what a statistical analysis of prosecutions is supposed to prove? At the heart of this issue remains definitions of terms such as 'reasonable' (used in the legislation) and 'verbal abuse or insults' (used in the Civitas document).

How high, exactly, do the courts place the bar on this? At what point does 'reasonable' commentary become 'verbal abuse'?

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Why not? It's a prosecutable offence.

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When the person on the receiving end of it deems it to be distressful, abusive or insulting to them.

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Thanks for info Mr A

The Law really is an ass but I should not say in case the law gets upset and does me lol

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

Oh come on ... that won't do at all and I'm pretty sure you know it. ;)

You're proposing a situation where this happens:

Complainant: I feel insulted.
Defendant: My comments were a reasonable expression of my personal feelings.
Complainant: But I feel insulted.
Beak: Guilty as charged.

Section 5(1) of the Act creates an offence, but 5(3)(c) creates a defence. If the defence is valid, you can't just go round in a circle and trump it by re-stating the offence.

Now, once again, I ask out of genuine interest for the views of one who is knowledgeable in these things: where do the courts generally set the bar, beyond which a defence of 'reasonable' comment is no longer acceptable? What makes the comment 'unreasonable'?

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(3)It is a defence for the accused to prove—

(a)that he had no reason to believe that there was any person within hearing or sight who was likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress, or
(b)that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or
(c)that his conduct was reasonable.

That seems to show that intent is required

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The perception / interpretation of the court as to what is "reasonable" in the context of society - racism and homophobia most certainly are not.

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Marty, What you think it "seems" to say and what it actually says are two very different things - that's the beauty of the law.

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But you're still skirting around the issue rather than tackling it head-on. There is a level at which it cannot be a crime for a person to express a personal view about homosexuality (it happens, for example, in church pulpits).

Were the application as absolute as you are suggesting, it would be an offence to print the Bible or to read certain passages of it aloud in public. Yet clearly Christian ministers are not being rounded up and prosecuted en masse. I mention Christianity as it's an example I'm familiar with. I daresay there are others.

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no i'm pretty sure that it means intent must be shown,i would be curious as to what your interpretation of it is

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Personally I would think there has to be intention to cause offence.

Stating clearly and calmly "I don't like gays" wouldn't earn you many friends but wouldn't get you a night in the cells.
Screaming "You're a *bleeping* *bleep* and I think you should all burn in hell" will almost certainly get you a pair of shiny bracelets linked in the middle and a night in one or her majesties finest B&B establishments for the evening.

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Context Chris, context.

The christian minister / church analogy is a perfectly defensible (as such - non prosecutable) scenario in that those doing as you posit are quoting the "word" of a third party in the context of their job.

They could, arguably, offer the defence that they are exercising their religious freedom (which is also protected under the Public Order Act).

Marty

Section 5 of the Public Order Act "Harassment, alarm or distress" makes no mention of "intent". The offences stated are prosecutable under that particular section whether intentional or not.

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It is a defence ,as stated in the act ,that a person has no reason to believe that someone is likely to be caused harassment,alarm or distress ,in other words ..did not intend offence to anyone .It also has to be noted that to cause distress or harassment by saying something like "i don't like gays" has to be directed to someone ,simply stating an opinion in general cannot cause either .If a person says "i don't like you because you are gay"you may have a point especially if it is said in a threatening manner

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Again, Section 5 of the Public Order Act "Harassment, alarm or distress" makes no mention of "intent".

Additionally it is not a defence for a defendant to "state" that he or she had "no reason to believe that someone is likely to be caused harassment,alarm or distress" the defence requires the defendant to prove that to be the case.

"(3)It is a defence for the accused to prove"

As such the opinion of the defendant as to whether his / her statements were insulting or causing distress - whether directed at an individual or not - is irrelevant.

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I agree completely - this is the point I have been trying to make. Karrington asserted earlier that making certain statements was simply 'unlawful', without any qualification at all. My position is that it plainly is not unlawful in any absolute sense. There is a defence, explicitly stated in the Act right alongside the offence itself.

It is for the courts to weigh up the defence in each case, but a defence there most certainly is, and I am quite sure it is not limited to preachers with Bibles (or any other religious text for that matter).

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You do realise that your interpretation of that piece of legislation has effectively outlawed all free speech and opinions

thank the lord you're not a judge

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It's not actually an interpretation on my part Marty.

I quoted a particular part of the legislation verbatim - you are the one who was seeking to interpret it.

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Regarding the subject at hand, personally, I have no problem if people show affection in public, regardless of gender

But, I do think there's a point at which it becomes TO much.

Holding hands, an occasional kiss on the lips/cheek is fine, but when you cross that line by engaging in full on groping and extended kissing, it should be done in a more private area/place.

Not sure why some people find two men or women kissing as disgusting, or obscene, perhaps they were born closed minded or were raised that way.

My dad is one of those people, but fortunatly, I am not.

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there were a str8 couple ejected from the train station here a few days ago after complaints to staff. What Started in just a kiss or two led to her putting her hands down the front of his tracksuit bottoms and he was showing a certain state of arousal.

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You've missed my point...

My point was that expressing disgust at something is not homophobia. Homophobia may be the reason for the disgust, but disgust is not homophobia.


There seem to be conflicting reports regarding what the couple were doing. They say it was a peck on the cheek. Others say it was more. If it was more, then the landlord may well have done the same for a heterosexual couple. Would you consider that Heterophobic?

Also, if they were leaving anyway, why are they bothered? Did he bar them? Even if he did, it's not as if Soho is short of pubs, gay or straight.

There are people who have posted on this thread that I would consider homophobic, but that is based more on the fact that they seem to leap on any thread that includes any reference to homosexuality. There is also one I would also consider racist. *If* they (or anyone) do anything which the admin team feels contradicts either the law or the forum's Ts&Cs, we will act.

But, beyond that, we are not here to censor people wish to say. We are not the thought police.

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It's all context and personal viewpoint. What some people don't realise is that the law (or even forum rules) might not agree with their person opinion as to what is racist or homophobic and it's the law (rules) that wins every time.

If we go back to the original story then if the landlord ejected them because it was two men kissing then it is homophobic and discrimination, if he ejected them because it was a couple kissing then it was just him being a prude. He might not see that there is a difference but the law does.

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There is also sometimes a difference between law and justice

For example if a gay couple were going at it hammer and tongues literally ;) and were asked to leave and then cry discrimination and win the case the law hmay have been followed but justice has not been done

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Not really as in that case the reason for asking someone to leave would be possible lewd behaviour

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I was thinking about this earlier actually, and it just strikes me as a stupidly wide-cast law if indeed there is no provision for reasonableness in that law. It means people can be arrested and convicted for saying 'hello' to their neighbours if the neighbours take offence. In the case in question, the police could round up the kissing couple, the landlord, and anyone else that commented either verbally or gesturally.

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heres one for u :-x

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26877682...ws-weird_news/

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With you on this.... I too think it is MANKY.....:nono:

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Lol lol....

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With respect, what gives you the right to decide that someone's opinion needs changing?

Perhaps some feel yours needs changing? Or is that 'different'?

Going back to the original subject, not wishing to intentionally sound flippant but isn't there a straightforward way for the bar manager to make this right?

Just ask some straight couples who are kissing to leave then he won't end up being labelled 'homophobic' or "gayist" or whatever people are calling him.

I remember a case a few years ago where a group of Asian lads beat up and almost killed this white bloke, with witnesses saying the gang were shouting stuff like "Don't mess with Paki business" as they were sticking the boot in to him. But because the same gang went on that night to beat up some other Asians the judge in their assault trial said he couldn't be sure it was a racist attack so they were only prosecuted for ABH.

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It's quite depressing when one can be put in jail for hurting someone's feelings.

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It would be if it were true. I think the reality of what nutters like the EDL, BNP and MAC routinely get away with on our streets reinforces my view that the courts allow the defence of 'reasonable' comment to be interpreted quite broadly.

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If prosecuted and found guilty of such an offence then it is only punishable by a level 3 fine of £1000 max

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My mistake, merely a thousand quid fine for hurting someone's feelings.

No wonder birth rates are going down when the government is encouraging such a lack of testicular fortitude among citizens.

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dude your avatar gives me nightmares its really scary and having a negative effect on my life . Just gonna have to call the old bill to get it sorted lmao

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I've not been around these parts for a while. :dozey:

It's nice to see the same old faces, in the same old threads, on the same old topics......... with the same old views.

In a fast changing world, it's nice to see some things don't change.... almost reassuring if it wasn't so sad.

Many of the posts in this thread have been a regurgitation of past posts by the same people. It would be much more efficient if you all just put your malicious views on your profiles - or posted a FAQ! :rolleyes:

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

with all due respect not everyone who has expressed a negative view in this thread has malicious intent. My views are quite strong but I wish no one injury harm or suffering

Welcome back :)

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This goes to prove what an ass the UK law is.

If I sit in my garden nude, I can be arrested for indecent behaviour, If I see mt female neighbour sunbathing nude I get arrested for being a peeping tom.

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What if the gay couple in question where kissing in a mosque?

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What if the gay couple had a machine gun, three machetes, and seventeen zombie rabbits?

Equally invalid hypothetical straw-man question......

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

unfortunately your seventeen zombie rabbits make it impossible no longer hypothetical ;)

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

Hypothesis - an idea or explanation of something that is based on a few known facts but that has not yet been proved to be true or correct

Hypothetical - supposed but not necessarily real or true (Oxford Dictionary)

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It also says

see no logic in zombie rabbits lol

Encyclopedia Britannica again uses logic in its definition.

The example given for you definition uses a possible 10th planet (out of date obviously)so its again based around something that is possible Zombie rabbits simply do not exist so any hypothesis on the situation is impossible

Now it would actually be possible however unlikely a gay couple got hold of a machette and a machine gun lol

Re: Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing
 

Agreed, the zombie rabbits were a bit too far (zombie mice, perhaps?) - my point, though, was about the relevance of straw-man arguments..

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Sigh!

Wonders when common sense will start to prevail...Move on and find another pub,there are plenty to choose from.;)

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They might have liked the decor ? ;)

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Actually it might be to the point if some folk had a go at being a publican/landlord..It's a hard graft of a job with no guarantee of more than a modest profit with extremely long hours just to stay in competition and to stay out of trouble and avoid illegalities (drugs users/dealers) just to keep one's licence..

Not something I personally would take on.

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Just spotted this topic and I don't want to read through all the posts so I thought I'd restrict my participation at this point to providing people with the latest news about this subject.

The below link provides the latest, reporting that a petition with more than 1000 signatures has been delivered to the pub.

http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory/...-snow-pub.aspx

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So, in the absence of any evidence, the Pink Paper and the organisers of the petition still *choose* to believe that the landlord dislikes gay kissing, rather than kissing in general, in his pub.

Can't say I'm surprised. I wish they'd all get over themselves though.

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The Pink Paper website was merely reporting the latest rather than expressing an opinion.

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Fair enough ...

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A gay male couple were asked to stop kissing in my local by the landlady, they ignored the request and were asked to leave. Of course they claimed the request was homophobic, but the landlady pointed out that she didn't think the claim would get them far because she employed 2 gay males behind the bar and one was on duty who they knew.

They were asked to leave for their own safety, because she felt that one or more of the heterosexual males who found it distasteful would be waiting around the corner as they left the premises.

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Again it's the reason behind the request which is paramount.. I don't think we'll ever truely know why the soho landlord asked them to leave but I do think that with all the protests and publicity that other landlords will think about their reasons before asking the same.

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I think that is a legitimate reason .The landlady has a duty of care towards all the patrons and if keeping them safe means asking them to leave then fair enough.
There are a couple of pubs near me that do not allow gays in the bar simply because they will get abused either physically and verbally.Although this is clearly wrong and strictly speaking possibly illegal it is the best way to keep the peace in those pubs

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It though does show that some landlords do make wrong decisions for reasons that shouldn't be there in the first place..

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Indeed it does .The clientel of these bars state quite openly that "gays have their own bars and shouldn't be comming here" they have taken over the bars in Newcastle center according to them .The ironic part is that the "gay bars" in the Village as it is known where ,untill a few years back,full of hairy arsed Geordies who kept fighting ,stabbing and shooting each other so that the owners where forced to close ,they were then re-opened as gay themed bars ,they allow mixed clientel in but you will never see a hairy arsed geordie in one because they have a reputation to consider ,they are now limited to empty run down bars on the point of closure simply because of their narrow minded views

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I think that the situation with the Soho pub will continue to develop and I can't see this ending here.

As I understand the equality legislation, and please correct me if I am wrong, if it ends up in court, which it might, the pub will have acted unlawfully unless it could prove that the pub's staff would have reacted in the same way if it had been a mixed sex couple who had been kissing - ie asked them to leave.

If this does end up in court it will be an interesting test case and then the pub will have to give the reasons why they behaved in the way that they did.

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Your understanding of the burden of proof is back to front.

If it ended up in court, it would be for the complainants (i.e. the pair that were kicked out) to show that, on the balance of probabilities, the landlord was being homophobic rather than enforcing a blanket 'no snogging' policy.

The fact that he asked them to leave is not conclusive proof of anything. The fact that the landlord has made absolutely no statement whatsoever about the matter since then, and no juicy details about his background, politics, or other private tidbits have since emerged, would make it impossibly difficult for them to prove anything.

It is very easy for the complainants to go on a tour of radio phone-ins and bleat about how they felt persecuted. You don't need any evidence to do that. To actually demonstrate in a court that you were persecuted is, thankfully, a little more difficult - rightfully so, because I don't think anybody wants to see perfectly ordinary, law-abiding people sacrificed at the altar of someone else's agenda.

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way I see it - landlord has final say

if he doesn't want them in there he can sling out whoever he wants


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