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the bit he can see is;)

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Pencil this date in your diary 28/10/2010. That's when the Mirror reckons the next election will be. Optimism at its best!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22252080/

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Of course they do say that the last person to enter the Houses of Parliament who fully intended to carry out his promises was Guy Fawkes. :D

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8678282.stm

Thanks for that good news:rolleyes:

Because of that people I know will be made out of work as there company will move into europe. Getting rid of 200 British jobs, making it harder for me to get a job in the field I have spent 15 years training for and spent £15,000k approx.:mad:

And some of the Tory voters here have suggest I must make do and get a job that pays £10,000 a year less.:mad::rolleyes:

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Could you supply some details for the above post.

Would be useful if you could say which company will move to Europe, why this will make it harder for you to get a job in your field, and what the field that takes 15 years and 15k to train in is.

I personally think you should aim as high as possible and pursue as aggressively as possible. Your post doesn't make a huge amount of sense as it is though, can't be many businesses that will dump the UK purely due to the lack of a 3rd runway at Heathrow.

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I will not name the company here.

But it is a small company that supplies a bigger company.

Sorry I don't know why I typed 15k, it should have been 5k.

I have spent that retraining to keep my skills current, and will hopefully allow me to side shift my career.

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Swings and roundabouts. The intention to invest in high speed rail as a replacement for a third runway will generate jobs. One door closes another opens, etc.

If the company were so reliant on a single project they'd have probably left anyway to be honest. That said if they're a small company it seems a bit weird they'd make 200 people redundant in the UK and move operations to Europe. Doesn't fit my definition of 'small' ;)

I have no idea what your skills are - if they're in IT the job market in the fields I get contacted over, largely networking, has picked up significantly.

The economy sucks, the case for a 3rd runway was always precarious not to mention that the government stamped on a lot of people's rights and indeed the law to ram it through.

Sorry you're suffering from the results of the economy though. Unemployment is indeed lousy, however I'm not sure how the blame can be pushed at ConLib just yet - they're doing what most people wanted them to in this case.

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I think his skills are in aviation/shipping, which might limit options somewhat.

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I didn't vote Conservative, In fact I quite like Labour! However every time I contemplated voting for them I reminded myself of their horrid record on civil liberties.

Anyway, cynicism doesn't get anyone anywhere. So give this a chance, it may not work but it's depressing people are hoping it won't.

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Matthew Parris's comments on the BBC sums up how I feel I would rather be hopeful and disappointed, than cynical and then pleased when my cynicism is confirmed.

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I thought some more and the Tories were damned if they let the 3rd runway happen, nasty Tories lining the pockets of big business and ignoring the little people, and damned if they prevented it.

Harsh as it seems there's no guarantee in the job market for any of us of always going up in salary as we change jobs, or indeed being assured of having one. I personally have lost a job and taken another which paid only half the salary of the previous one. It sucked, it wasn't fair, sadly life isn't fair and I needed a job, any job. :(

I didn't settle for it though and was on my way back up before too long :)

EDIT: Is it just me or has the way I write changed a bit over the months, getting somewhat posher in terms of how I express things? Little diversion there...

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Ok. Foreverwar and Ignitionnet, one of you needs to change your avatars! ;)

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I think most people are suspicious of politicians & their motives as usually when they open their mouths lies come out. Maybe this will be different, we will see.

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I didn't see you you criticising other posters when they declared their dislike for the Labour party, wheere were your accusations of tribalism then? Am I not allowed an opinion, or is it just the one opinion I am allowed to have, the one that agrees with the rest of the Tory supporters on this forum?

I cannot say that I have seen many posts where you have praised the Labour party, I must have missed them.

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Why?

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you lot have 5 seats and now your trying to run the world :D

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They were the same. Confused me!

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:nutter:

;)

The irony is that the Tories have a much better record on civil liberties than Labour. One of the easiest things to sort out in the coalition was civil liberties as both sides were pretty much side-by-side on all issues of note. I don't even think any concession were made on either side. The only ones really were financial.

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I agree with that. Like I said, I didn't vote for them.

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Actually I have. I don't have time to find links now but I've certainly said words to the effect of 'Now, now they haven't been all bad' to another poster.

I have little praise for the Labour Party, some of their policies however I have praised.

Big difference, you hate the Tories on general principle and claim they have not and will never do anything even remotely appropriate, I'm perfectly happy to say Labour did some things, such as smoking ban and minimum wage to name two, that were good.

Your reprimanding of other posters over intolerance yet it's fine for you to dish out baseless stereotypes when it suits.

Again by the way I didn't vote Tory in the election, I voted Liberal Democrat, which rather messes up whatever point you were trying to make. That I'm excited about the possibilities of this coalition and vehemently oppose the Labour party appears to not sit too well with yourself it would seem.

We are still no closer to finding out what the company you work for actually do. Are you standing to lose some lucrative public sector contracts? To be as utterly one-sided as you are either requires there to be some self-interest or to be a moron. You're clearly not a moron, morons don't run successful businesses, so I'm curious as to the self-interest.

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Folks just a suggestion, now the election is over hows about we "all" stop this infantile point scoring against each-other either knocking everything the Tories do or snide comments about Labour?
I think all of us know who everybody else follows so there is absolutely no point in trying to score just one more point...why not just comment on the current situation without little digs at what others truly believe in.
Heh its just a thought, otherwise the conversation always ends up going down the pan.:shrug:

Just to add in my two penneth, the LD's were damned whatever they did, but in my opinion I think they have done the right thing, anyone who voted for them at least has a good chance now of seeing a fair amount of their manifesto being brought into law, plus as mentioned earlier a coalition between the pair of them puts paid to any dopey ideological fantasies either of them might have wished to bring in had they got a majority.

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Just summed up Politics pretty much.

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<chuckles>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8675705.stm

EDUCATION SECRETARY - MICHAEL GOVE

</chuckles>

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You can tell when a politician lies, You an see his lips move :D

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My new pet name for Cameron & Clegg, "Ant & Dec"

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I found a handy gif on the interweb for labour people in this thread....


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/05/72.gif

:D:D:D

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There is of course an entirely understandable range of opinion here about how the new government will perform, how long it will last etc. Having arrived at where we are, what I find hard to stomach, however, are those who, to satisfy their own pathetic, blind (sometimes vicious) political prejudice actually want this coalition to fail. Make no mistake, the stakes are very high and if this coalition collapses, UK PLC will be all the worse off - quite possibly a terminal case requiring emergency intervention such as that being provided to Greece.

If Brown and New Labour had won I wouldn't be happy about it and would probably be packing my bags to start a new life elsewhere. Whilst I would be predicting doom, I wouldn't be hoping for it just to show everyone how right I was and how my politics are the only way forward. All right minded people should be hoping that this new arrangement works for the good of us all. Yes, healthy scepticism is no bad thing but neither is healthy optimism and thanks to Bliar we've already had enough of the former to last a lifetime so how about we all start pulling together??.. Sadly there are too many people out there whose opinions on the Tories in particular are based on little more than hysterical, inaccurate and often deliberately distorted information mostly relating to Thatcher's time. My hope and belief is that things have moved on. People and policies have changed and we now have the opportunity to pull together to get this country out of the most serious financial crisis since WWII. I want this Government to work because I want a better Britain. The more people who now open their minds to the possibility of a new, positive, era in UK politics, the more likely it will be that we get one and vice versa.

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NNNNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

They said this morning that he wasn't going to be involved with education. :(:(:(:( They had given it to a Liberal Democrat. The whole of our school where cheering this morning.

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I notice this text in the Conservative/ Lib Dem Deal, from the Political Reform section (number 6)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8677933.stm

Does this mean that if 46% do not vote for dissolution, that the said dissolution will not go ahead i.e. that only 46% support is needed to survive a vote of confidence?

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:rofl:

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I so hope you're right. And so does Dan Bull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy0bO0qNKFc

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Wow!

That's amazing - every person in the school, including all the kids, knew all about Michael Gove's political background, parliamentary career, and previous history as a long-standing Times journalist, and so were able to make an informed judgement on his capabilities to get the job done, and found him wanting.

Sounds like a helluva school. ;)

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or they've got a good spin doctor ;)

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That's what you get after 13 years of New Labour running the show...... :D

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Thought that would cheer you up :p:

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Eeew. That guy gives me the creeps. :erm:

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http://www.b3ta.com/board/10044612 :D

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What a sad day for democracy. Since when is a majority fifty-five per cent, surely it is fifty per cent plus one.

This is what the Times has to say, rather remarkable insight, for them:

Plans for fixed-term Parliaments "not credible" and "dangerous" - says law expert

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Hate to have to point this out to you flyboy, but technically we are not a democracy, although we do tend to follow democratic process, we are a constitutional monarchy.

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I thought we were a parliamentary democracy?

The UK constitution isn't worth the paper it isn't written on :)

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I have to agree with Flyboy though. It is dodgy. However, after the massive erosion of civil liberties that Labour forced upon us, I think this is a small hit to take. I am so looking forward to this repeal bill :tu: :)

Oh. One also has to wonder about a 'constitution' that only needs a majority of 50% +1 to change the definition of a majority. Time to get some things in writing me thinks. Most civilised countries require a majority of 3/4 (+ 1) to change the constitution.

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Am I right in understanding that the Tories have now decided that they are not going to stop the national insurance increase?

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Yep.

I feel very strange, being actually excited by the prospect of a Tory Government :shocked: ... however I reassure my Liberal self and my inner-lefty by remembering that it's a Tory / Lib Dem "Proper & Full" Coalition Government :)

This really could be a very good thing!...I just hope it doesn't go pear shaped.

Yep! Some good concessions on both sides, with each party appearing to moderate the other.

And with the existing common ground on Civil Liberties, George Orwell should soon finally be able to stop spinning in his grave.

Well, this Lib Dem voter + Lib Dem member is quite pleased with the result, and will happily renew his party membership next year plus vote Lib Dem at the next election.

What other option was there? Seriously? What could possibly have been done instead of this, and still provide the UK with a strong Government?

Tory minority Govt. = FAIL

Rainbow Coalition / Progressive Alliance = FAIL

As I mentioned before, the Lib Dems are not to "blame" for us having a Tory(-led) Government: if anyone wants to "blame" anyone, they should "blame" the people who chose to switch from Labour to the Tories - that is where the vote swing lay (5% from Labour to the Tories), and that is where the seat swing lay (+97 seats to the Tories, -91 to Labour).


This Coalition Government may be seen by some as a marriage of inconvenience, but it's the best option of the bad bunch made available by last week's results.

And in some ways it could actually be rather good... both sides have made compromises, & the Coalition Agreement actually contains some very good policies. I do not agree with all of them, but then again how many people agreed with all the policies of each of the last three New Labour Governments, or the previous Tory Governments?

People should give it a chance, instead of automatically going "OH NOES IT'S TEH TORIES!!!!!!!!!!!!"

They should also remember that it is not the Tory Majority Government that most people expected just a couple of months ago... it's a proper Coalition Government, with some previous Tory policies tamed or removed, and some Lib Dem policies included, along with Lib Dem Cabinet & ministerial positions.


Yup.

Siding with the Tories will anger those on the Left of the party, along with people who voted Lib Dem to "keep the Tories out". [Although I still think that's a stupid anger, as above: no other option, + better for left/lib/prog than the Tory Majority earlier polls suggested, + not LD "fault"!].

Siding with Labour + All The Others would have angered the many Lib Dems who dislike Labour (e.g. due to civil liberties), plus would have caused them to be crucified in the press for being a "coalition of losers" (as some senior Labour MPs actually called the idea!) led by another "unelected" PM (not that we actually elect our PM, of course), plus wouldn't have been stable...

I think the Lib Dems will pay a price at the next election...Although I hope not.

As you said, this way some of the Lib Dem policies *are* going to be carried out, plus the Coalition will "tame" certain parts of each party & their policies.

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Coalition Agreement link again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8677933.stm

[Oh, & not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but this is another good one: "We will end the detention of children for immigration purposes." :) ]


I don't think anyone has listed the new Cabinet yet...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8675705.stm

http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/gove...ibilities.aspx

PRIME MINISTER, FIRST LORD OF THE TREASURY, MINISTER FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE - DAVID CAMERON (Tory)

DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER - NICK CLEGG (Lib Dem) [Also appointed as LORD PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL*] (with special responsibility for political and constitutional reform)

FOREIGN SECRETARY - WILLIAM HAGUE (Tory) [Also appointed as FIRST SECRETARY OF STATE*]

CHANCELLOR - GEORGE OSBORNE (Tory)

HOME SECRETARY AND MINISTER FOR WOMEN AND EQUALITY - THERESA MAY (Tory)

DEFENCE SECRETARY - DR LIAM FOX (Tory)

LORD CHANCELLOR AND SECRETARY OF STATE FOR JUSTICE - KEN CLARKE (Tory)

HEALTH SECRETARY - ANDREW LANSLEY (Tory)

EDUCATION SECRETARY - MICHAEL GOVE (Tory)

BUSINESS SECRETARY - VINCE CABLE (Lib Dem)

WORK AND PENSIONS - IAIN DUNCAN SMITH (Tory)

ENERGY AND CLIMATE CHANGE - CHRIS HUHNE (Lib Dem)

CHIEF SECRETARY TO THE TREASURY - DAVID LAWS (Lib Dem)

SCOTTISH SECRETARY - DANNY ALEXANDER (Lib Dem)

CHIEF WHIP - PATRICK MCLOUGHLIN (Tory)

COMMUNITIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECRETARY - ERIC PICKLES (Tory)

ATTORNEY GENERAL - DOMINIC GRIEVE (Tory)

CULTURE, OLYMPICS, MEDIA AND SPORT - JEREMY HUNT (Tory)

CONSERVATIVE CO-CHAIRMAN - BARONESS WARSI (Tory)

ENVIRONMENT - CAROLINE SPELMAN (Tory)

INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT - ANDREW MITCHELL (Tory)

TRANSPORT - PHILIP HAMMOND (Tory)

NORTHERN IRELAND - OWEN PATERSON (Tory)

WALES - CHERYL GILLAN (Tory)

LEADER OF THE LORDS - LORD STRATHCLYDE (Tory)

LEADER OF THE COMMONS - SIR GEORGE YOUNG (Tory)

CABINET OFFICE MINISTER - FRANCIS MAUDE (Tory) [not a full cabinet member]

MINISTER OF STATE AT CABINET OFFICE, POLICY - OLIVER LETWIN (Tory) [not a full cabinet member]

UNIVERSITIES, SCIENCE AND SKILLS - DAVID WILLETTS (Tory) [minister of state for education and skills, with responsibility for universities, attending cabinet rather than a full member.]



*[Both of these positions were previously held by Mandelson while he was Business Secretary]



"Children, Schools, and Families" has gone back to being the "Department for Education". Not sure if the Universities & Skills brief has been folded back into Education (under Gove), or if it's still part of BIS (under Cable). Cable will apparently have some sort of Banking brief in addition to being Business Secretary.

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no -the lib dem side of the coalition decided that as part of there bargaining strategy .

so no need to worry -those at the top of the food chain will still be supporting those at the bottom,[for now]

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To be completely accurate, the employee increase of 1p next year will go ahead but the employer contribution has been scrapped. However much of this will be reduced/or gone completely for the lowest paid when the £10,000 tax threshold introduction is completed.

[Update] The Liberal-Conservative Coalition
 

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Does this mean the LibDem MP's will also get to sit on the other side of the house with the Conservatives?

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Yes, they will be on the Government benches. And they won't all have to sit down the far end, either. The Lib Dems with ministerial jobs, in particular, are front benchers and will be entitled to speak from the dispatch box when appropriate.

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Boris Johnson hails new coalition as bulldog and Chihuahua cross, great image.Lol

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they say they are going to trasfer more powers to the scottish government about time imo

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Give Scotland the ability to raise it's own tax from it's people to be spent on Scottish needs such as roads, drink and drug rehabilitation, dole money, health services, haggis hunting, so the rest of us don't have to keep subsidising them.

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i think we are all subsidising on another here atm all the nations get a budget incl england

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there is no such thing as haggis hunting btw

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Yep free up the money for the English to spend on morris dancing or other english pursuits.

I feel I should point out the Scottish Parliament already has tax varying powers and the level of subsidy is nowhere near as much as some of the English media would have you believe.

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our parliament should have the right to keep the amount of tax raised in scotland tae stay in scotland - and as for the so called union i believe its had it's day and that all the nations should be independent

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Exactly, our black pudding industry could be better than Ireland's with sufficent funding.

It's still more than it should be. Scotland should be given the oppertunity to learn to fund itself if it wants to govern itself.

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well england should do the same then be anle to fund itself and be an independent nation coz tbh the union has had its day - give england ,scotland ,wales and n ireland independence so they can do what they want to do no questions asked then maybe we would all get on a lot better that way

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Except it doesn't. There are still far more Scots who want to remain within the UK than want to sign up for Salmonds fairytale plans for independence.

I should point out (and I've posted this link before) that Scotland isn't the best funded part of the UK by a long shot.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/why-th...dd-up-1.868293

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I voted "oh no" but Ive changed my mind to hooray. A change was needed and its better than a minority. The interview NC and DC did together on TV was quite funny when questioned over making comments about each other, if that would have been Clegg and Brown it would have resulted in awkwardness rather than making a joke of it. Lets hope it works out :)

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I'm still at the 'we will see' stage..5 years is a very long time.

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i am glde i dit vote Lib dem or shod i say con dam:mad:and i neve will aging i use wany i was youg the Ld Party are a joke:mad::td:ps Labour ukip and the Greers will hava Field day withe this one:p:

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eh? :confused:

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In English please?

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I believe (assuming severe dyslexia) he said

"I'm glad I didn't vote LibDem, or should I say ConDem, and I never will again. I used to when I was young. The LD party are a joke.
PS Labour, UKIP, and the Greens will have a field day with ths one."

Sorry if I got it wrong though.

Re: [Update] The Liberal-Conservative Coalition
 

we need to wait and see how all this pans out. I am sure they will do a good job but still not please everyone. Much the same as labour.

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You think Labour did a good job? :P

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LOL! The joys of a mis-quote! :angel:

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So any news on the 2.5% VAT hike (will become 20%) the news was talking about this morning?

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Expected later this year, along with a 1% increase in employee's NIC. The increased NIC is needed to pay for the increased income tax threshold.

In the mean time, Cabinet members take a 5% pay cut and have their salaries frozen for 5 years.

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So if this does happen, all those who voted for the current govenment CANNOT complain about it.

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I don't think the tax threshold affects the lower earnings limit for national insurance.

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Why should we complain? Difficult decisions have to be made, and we have to balance the books.

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If so, the NIC increase would cost those on 10K about £50 a year, the threshold increase would benefit them about £750, which would leave them £700 to spend on increased VAT.

Just kidding re. the VAT, I think the threshold increase is a very good thing.

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its all Browns fault .

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And IF there was a 2.5% increase in VAT, they would need to spend £28k on vatable goods before they were worse off. ;)

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Which is why I said I was kidding and think the threshold increase is a good thing (though that was an edit) :)

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It seems whatever changes are made (for the worse obviously) probably wouldn't affect you or your lifestyle that much, so you have the luxury of accepting the decisions made. Those that aren't as comfortable as you probably won't just agree to what's thrown at them. Why should 'we' complain? We'll I think you're speaking for yourself. Those that lose their job etc, should they accept it without complaint, just because as you say, difficult decisions have to be made.

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And yet again the motorist gets shaffed, and pays more.

So the fact the world markets have collapsed is Browns fault

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It affects me (my salary is frozen, my bills are still increasing), it affects my wife the same way (0.5% pay increase), it affects my 18 year old and my 23 year old, and it will affect our "lifestyle".

However, should we ignore the fact that we owe £178 billion, and haven't got the money to spend as a country - the over-spending pigeons have come home to roost, and we have to pay off our debts (or at least reduce them a bit).

And the "complain" was in response to you're right - I should have said "I won't complain".

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Again, VAT is not only applicable to fuel.
Get a better fuel pump and use SVO or even WVO.


He disbanded the organisations which were around under the last Tory government to keep an eye on things and regulate the banks, and put us in a financial position that would make weathering the storm extremely painful.

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World? Nope. The Aussie banking system did not collapse, the British did.

Brown was the chancellor for donkey years overseeing the Banks. Even a blind Bank regulator (or with one eye) should have seen the collapse coming....

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Yes but everytime the motorist gets hit first, and I bet in the emergency budget fuel duty will get hit yet again.

Well as I'm out of work I cannot afford to spend any cash.

My car is 4.5 years old so doesn't need a pump and at the moment a full tank lasts a month.

But if I get the 6 month contract I'm after I have worked out that the fuel cost based on £1.23 per litre I will spend £1,500 in six months on diesel.

What is SVO, WVO?

I guess these are Vegetable Oil based diesels, if so my car cannot take them without damaging the engine (so I have been told) and I won't even consider it, unless the Ford dealer says so.

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iv'e had to listen to its thatchers fault for long enough ,its gordo's turn on the rack for the next twenty odd years .

and his financial genius got us where we are- don't blame the whole world

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I never blamed thatcher, plus who can GB be blamed for the last 20 years when Labout was only in for 13?

What I was saying is that all the worlds markets have fallen, and even if GB was completely incompetant, he cannot be blamed for other countries.

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agreed ,i use a tank every 5 days (80 litres) on average and coupled with lower wages it will be a big increase in my fuel bill ,the gov should not increase the duty on fuel ,it will cause a lot more hardship than just replacing the fuel pump and using alternatives can cure ,that is far too simplistic a view

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The other thing forgotten with fuel rises are increased costs to the supermarkets and public transport. So even switching to the bus is not an option.

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exactly ,i think if any more duties go on petrol then the new government will have some real headaches to cope with

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that will be on top of the VAT rise.

Thank to Ant & Dec.

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he can be blamed for the next twenty years [thats his legacy ]
but we do seem to agree he was "completely incompetent" .;)

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So GB can be blamed for the next 20, but the tories cannot be blamed for the 13 years after the lost?

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they have been blamed -but now theres a new guy to point the finger at -GB.

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I'm still blaming Thatcher for the socially divisive manner she ran the country, not to mention the destruction of our industrial base which could be said to be at the root of all our current and future problems so I don't see why Toryites wont do the same to GB.
For the time being I'm giving Cameron the benefit of the doubt, he does at least seem to be putting the well-being of the country ahead of ideology. Whether the rest of his party will allow him to see that through remains to be seen.

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it isn't a fairy tale and most scots don't want the union so where annabel goldie the tory leader in scotland gets her answers thats most scots don't want independence from is beyond me - she prob makes it up as she goes along

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I can't say I'm thrilled about the prospect of higher VAT and I'm in a group that will pay more tax generally to balance the increase to the Income Tax allowance but we have to start paying our bills sooner or later.

Not overjoyed but expected given how badly Labour ran the finances.

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Most Scots don't want independence. That my friend is a fact. Even Right honourable Alex Smug Salmond couldn't furnish you with figures to support your assertion.

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:rolleyes:

You might want to blame the unions for that. Just as the unions are destroying Royal Mail and British Airways.

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the selling of most of the UKs gold reserves?

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I believe most Scots don't want to break free, beause they know that without the cash the UK as a whole pays they would be in the brown stuff.

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*Cough*

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ecord-low.html

Anyway seeing the libdems have a couple of Scottish MP's the coalition can't say they have no support north of the border.

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Do you seriously think that if Labour had somehow remained in power, VAT would have stayed at 17.5%, given the massive deficit we have?

No party specifically ruled out a VAT increase in their manifesto.

BBC Newsnight - Paul Mason: Labour Manifesto: VAT rise left open


I don't like the idea of VAT going up to 20%, but I think it is naive to believe that the rise would not have happened under Labour either. They need to find money somewhere... :(

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At least Gordon didn't use "Cash4Gold" ;)

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Shame. He probably could have got a better rate.