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I voted yes, as I have a C of E church, a Baptist church, and a Methodist Church not far from me (within a one mile radius) - one more place of worship wouldn't bother me.

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It's exactly the same thing

Wind your neck back in.

As the person who added that option, I can assure you it was not. If people don't care about the thread they simply ignore it.

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you wouldn't be trying a bit of spin to make the poll results look better would you Russ ;)

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Rather than just making up things, and then stating they are opinions, not facts......

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Not sure what you think I want the poll to say but I'm not bothered whatever the outcome, it won't change anything.

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you wound your neck out first Russ and its not exactly the same thing at all. You do not know what or how I think so please dont assume you know better than me what I mean. As I said you make it up as you go along.

You are also doing exactly the same thing by saying as the person who added that option. You do not know why the members chose that choice they could mean it your way or they could mean it Garys . You can not read minds Russ

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you so obviously are bothered Russ lol lol

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quite right ...the poll says no

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I voted that I did not care, as the are 3 mosques in Liverpool and they are all on the other side of the city as the are very few muslims in the area that I live and nowhere near enough for a mosque to be required.

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so the original poll has been tampered with ?
its not the first time something has been added to a title or poll to reflect some one elses opinion of what the poll or thread should be about .

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so you do not care because its unlikely that one would be built?

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if you look at post 2 I think it is Russ mentioned the I do not care option along with something else . Gary then asked for that option to be added

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The is no community that requires a mosque but as I am not religious the thought of another place of worship holds little interest in me.

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this i think is the main problem with all things, people (myself included)tend to not care untill something directly impacts them ,i guess it's just the british way

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thank you for that kind sir :tu:

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Is there any reason to assume a Mosque would impact someone not connected to it?

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As I have stated in previous posts the is no muslim community that would require a mosque to be built or have a building converted as not every town or city has such needs in the outlying areas.

We have 3 large mosques in Liverpool that appear to cater for the present requirements of any muslims in the Liverpool area..

Most of the larger muslim communities in the North West seem to based around the old mill towns and the are many more mosques in those areas.

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no there isn't :rolleyes: and that isn't what i am saying and you know it

the point is (puts rose tinted glasses on) if people cared enough about other peoples problems before it impacted them then that would be great

We seem to have a situation were people who live with traffic/parking problems due to mosques get branded racists by people who don't have these problems and are never likely to if they complain

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Don't get so defensive, it was a legitimate question aimed at the subject in the thread, open to anyone - I only quoted you as you were the one who mentioned the subject of it impacting on anyone.

I agree I can't see it impacting on anyone in a major way other than potential traffic issues but even then I think some would use that as a reason not want to see these 'dark skinned people in funny clothes' outside their homes.

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Can't we just call them muslims instead of 'dark skinned people in funny clothes'? it makes it sound like a racist thing :erm:

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so a hyperthetical question would be ,would you object to a mosque if you lived in a area that had a large muslim community ?

i understand that at the moment you don't care because of your locality but would you support people who are objecting and have to put up with the problems that come with a new mosque even though you don't ..yet

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Call them whatever you want.

Would people be objecting so much if the plans were for a new supermarket?

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would it have a large car park ?

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you seem to have an obsession with that quote Russ. You do realise do you not that being a Muslim has nothing to do with race but purely to do with faith. Its just you have mentioned it twice in this thread I wonder if you have some hidden issue here ;)

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Yes. Whatever you say.

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If the area I lived in had a large muslim community then it would already have a mosque and as with most people you tend not to notice something that is already there.

If they wanted a mosque around here then it would have to go to the local planning officer who would decide if the was a local requirement for one before granting planning permission, but as I have previously stated it would not bother me me due to the fact that I am not religious.

Also the estate that I live on does not have any local amenities or religious buildings of any type on it, we have to go off the estate to access any amenities.

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so there's no chance of you answering the question then

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If they wanted to build one I would have no objection as I stated throughout as I am not religious in the slightest..

But I do know that due to where I live that the is no chance of one being built near me.

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with respect though it's got nothing to do with how religious you are or not .This is all about the disruption a poorly planned mosque can course ,and believe me it doesn't just affect the estate/area you live in ,it can impact the area you work in ,drive through regular or even go to when visiting family ,for example the new mosque i used as an example impacted a area of at least 1 square mile on friday afternoons with buses delayed ,traffic jams and residents forced to park elswhere because there parking places where blocked ,this happened for nearly 2 years untill the bus company and fire service complained and forced action

has to be said in fairness that the same problem happened when newcastle played at home ,people would park anywhere and everywhere

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So you'd only have any objections if you were a Christian, say?
what objections do you think you would have if you were religious?

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We actually had a slim chance of the new Everton ground being built within 2 miles of where I live and that would have caused more disruption than any mosque, the planning was rejected a while back.

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whereas st james' park wanted to relocate to the town moor(an area more than big enough) and free a large amount of inner city area ,reducing conjestion dramatically ,this plan was rejected despite being favorite with the fans owners and local residents :shrug: at the same time the mosque in question was approved planning because it solved a problem for the local authority ,namely what to do with a small cluster of industrial units that needed repair

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I'm not sure what you're getting at, Gary - are you are asking him to hypothesise what objections he might have, if he was something he's not? :confused:

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Yes. is that not possible? :confused:

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That is not something I am capable of talking about due to me not being religious so rather a strange question to say the least.:erm:

A similar question to a commited christian would be "what objections do you think you would have if you were not religious?" and I rather doubt they could give an answer either.:confused:

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I just find it interesting for someone to base their approval or objection on whether they are religious or not.

Is it possible to know if you would have any objections if you were religious?

I'm not religious in the slightest either. so I think me even mentioning me not being religious would be an irrelevant thing to say.

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now there's a leading question ,depends on what religion :D

what your asking is for someone to put themselves in someone elses shoes ,it's very rare anyone can give a honest answer to that because they have no experience in that subject

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How can anyone give a true answer to something like that unless I suddenly started speaking in tongues and had a religious revelation and fell down on my knees and started to pray.:D

Of course it is not possible to say if I was religious that I would think differently because it is impossible due to your present beliefs or non beliefs.

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That question would make sense asking when the person mentioned that 'they don't have any objections because they are religious'

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It does not make sense either way as it is an impossible question to answer honestly from any angle.

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So why mention that you don't have any objections because you are not religious?! :D

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Because I do not care about any religious establishments opening or closing locally to me as they have zero impact on my life.

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This is quite simple really if you think slowly :)

The religious thing has to be a relevant thing if you mention it as to how you base your answer.

so it has to be a relevant thing to ask if because of being the opposite, would your answer be different?

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If you had said your answer was about all religious establishments and not a mosque. then we wouldn't be all so confused :)

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and as i said it has nothing to do with religion...... post 227

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Its scrambled my brain trying to work out what your question is. Its you thats confusing me :D

I didnt vote sensibly, I was the first to put "whats a mosque" as I saw it as a pointless thread and thought it might have been started just to stir up some "emotional" responses tbh but reading this thread has got me thinking and Id change my vote to dont want one near me purely because I dont want things like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8251598.stm on my doorstep

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I think some of these 'protestors' have genuine concerns whilst the others are just in it for the trouble of it.
that's why the thread was started. because of the now becoming quite common concerns and anger by many with new mosque builds.

as you say does it mean that everytime a new mosque is going to be built the residents will have to start boarding up their windows for the protest day?

the concerns are real. someone should take notice of them (which they have no choice but too now I think)

You can ask Russ or someone to change your vote. if that's possible :)

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Is that the royal 'we'?

He cannot answer about what his opinion would be if he was religious because he doesn't know what it's like to be religious.

Simple.

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But he was answering the question you asked, not the one that you thought he should have thought you meant to ask when he didn't give you the answer you expected..... ;)

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I do. anyway, we got there in the end.

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:beer:;)

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For the love of Mike can you be anymore pedantic Gary, "how many posts have you made that are so off the wall they make Moldova's post appear crystal clear classical English literature".
Add to that he has at least made an effort to explain what he posted, not that it needed explaining in my opinion, whereas your standard response to a request for clarity is generally ever more self deluding claptrap.
Heres what I got last night after asking for clarity...

And your picking holes in others peoples posts...kettle and black spring to mind mate.

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It's for the love of God.

It's kettle and pot. isn't it?

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It's a "minced oath", Gary.
Oh, the irony......:D

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That I rather doubt as you keep seeking further clarification and asking questions that cannot be answered by anyone.:erm:

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We did and we didn't. you answered the question of would you have any objection to a mosque being built by you with "If they wanted to build one I would have no objection as I stated throughout as I am not religious in the slightest.."

and later said that it was any religious establishments you were answering to. not an actual mosque. so we got there (sort of)

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We are more likely to get a Kingdom Hall built than a Mosque, but still I would not be interested as the church in whatever guise holds no interest for me.

I think that I would be more bothered if they wanted another prison built in Liverpool as we already have 2 within 2 miles of each other plus if you count Park Lane in with that 3 within 4 miles.

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Recieved a letter today from the council regarding the methodist church two doors up.
They want to build a single story extension joining the back of the church to an ancilary building (looks like disused workshops/stables) and develope the ancilary building into a youth service and hospitality provider (complete with bar), currently the area is an old cobbled drive which is all overgrown showing how little the church has been used in the past 3 years.
The thing is, either where the back wall of the extension is going to be, or in the enclosed garden they're going to make behind it, are large sewer covers, a sewer which is fed from mine and next door's toilets. There's also an access cover for it at the front of the proposed extension. That's where it regularly gets blocked, requiring the water company to come out and clear it. The plans include many more toilets, which will either help keep the sewer clear with all the extra flushing, or block it quicker with the extra paper.
The church hasn't been used for over 3 years, and even then the largest number of visitors were the choir practicing in the evening once a week.
So there is a possibility of increased congestion and loss of parking, depending on what time of day the church is used. As I've said before, at least the mosque is only busy for an hour on Friday afternoons when most people are at work so it's not really a problem, but the churches in the area which do not have off road parking do cause a problem as they tend to be used when residents are home.

I've been online and checked all the plans, and will discuss the matter with my neighbours as access from the proposed enclosed garden to the street will be down the side of their house, which at them moment is only seperated from their garden by a low wall.