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anyone have a link to watch the last debate? I missed it :(

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Probably be on BBC iPlayer as it was the BBC debate.

Link to it on iPlayer

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Or she understands the concept of a rhetorical question.

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Too many tweets make a?

[/cameron]

:D

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As a rhetorical question it's pretty circular and pointless isn't it? It's not even grammatically correct.

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Thanks charlie :)

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If she thinks that's a rhetorical question, then she most definitely doesn't understand the concept. It's redundant, not rhetorical.

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No, what is making the BNP successful is that the 3 main parties won't address the real sharp end of immigration.

1. The Somali rapist who can't be deported because he 'has a child' here
2. The Iraqi woman who has 9 kids and a multi-million pound mansion in Chelsea paid for by the state
3. The ridiculous catch-and-release scheme where when illegals are caught by the police they are obligated to let them go so they can voluntarily report to an immigration centre. Shock! Horror! They never do.
4. The Afghans seeking aslyum but travel through 15 safe countries before sitting at the edge of the English Channel waiting for their chance to come over
5. The demonising of honest goods-haulers who have their vehicles compromised by aslyum seekers.

Get one or two of the main parties to deal with all that in a sensible manner and you'll find support for the BNP drying up pretty damn quick I can assure you.

Another so-called debate about immigration and what was mentioned? Europeans that we can't do anything about and a few intelligent, decent, econonomic migrants that only the most die-hard BNP skinheads actually have a problem with. Oh there was a brief mention in dispatches of Cleggs amnesty for illegals, but that was it.

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In other news, this made me laugh.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...mu86/Brown.png

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The electorate are actually falling for all their fake promises and claptrap. Surely anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see right through this X-Factor type of politics? They'll be dancing on ice at the next run-up to a general election!

Sad.

If a winner of last nights debate has to be chosen, then, imo, the winner of that debate was Gordon.

This made me laugh though. :D

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Now that is a surprise..:D

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Well, luckily for you, the Lib Dems are not proposing that we lose our nuclear deterrent ;)

They say:

http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...festo_2010.pdf

No expensive like-for-like replacement of Trident does not equal no nuclear deterrent whatsoever. They are not proposing unilateral disarmament.

They think that instead of committing now to a hugely expensive like-for-like replacement of Trident, we should instead extend the lifespan of the current system, while holding a proper defence review to look at (hopefully) cheaper & more appropriate alternatives.

Links I posted in the previous thread regarding the views of some Generals on Trident:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7103318.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7103196.ece

Classic television :)

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Guardian Comment is Free - TV debate: a cross between Songs of Praise and Over the Rainbow

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Ladies and Gentlemen... May I introduce...

LOLCleggz!

http://www.popbitch.com/home/2010/04...-haz-lib-dems/

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/2.jpg
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/3.jpg

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LOL Awesome. I caught a glimpse of them in the Metro someone was reading on the tube.

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Last nights was the best of the three and finally showed some clear daylight between them i thought cameron was a little stronger then the rest and am getting truly fed up of nick clegg using the "old partys" line. I am pretty sure who i am going to vote for now and unless something major happens cannot see it changing anytime soon. I cannot support the liberals apart from the daft amnesty for ten year illegals their attitude of taxing the rich is just stupid and is going to push many of them out of the country taking the money and jobs with them.

I know it might shock some but quite a lot of wealthy people in this country pay their full tax and pay a considerable amount and the idea that more is coming is not a happy one for them and not one they have to tolerate. Gordon does a lot of talking but the trouble he has is that if he was so passioante about all the things he claims to be why the hell hasn't he done more in the time he has had and he cannot get away from that and he will not address it making it hard to take him seriously on anything he says right now.

I am happy with the tough talk from the conservatives on welfare reform and i believe they will do it and i have no problem with it even though i am on benefit. Had the liberal condidate at my door this morning and i asked him about this amnesty and how they would be able to verify someone had been an illegal for ten years shockingly he couldn't answer and tried to quickly move onto another subject and when i pushed the issue said "well i have many doors to knock on today so i am sorry i have to go remember we are the party for real change".

Not exactly reasuring and it's a valid question if they are illegal then by that definition we have no way of knowing anything about them so no it's a daft policy and i see it going the same way as spain who are on what their six or seventh amnesty now. No they are not saying right now they will get rid of our nuclear detterent but i am still not convinced they will not get rid of it if they got any real power. Thats the problem with the liberals they are saying some things all of us like but can we really trust them to do it and i just don't believe them to do all the things they say they will.

I am not completely convinced by the conservatives but right now of the three i am prepared to give them the chance more then the other two. We all know they are not telling us the whole truth all of them know they will have to make cuts to services and they know telling us before the election is a gauranteed vote loser.

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At least the Lib Dems have actually looked at the "existing" illegal immigrants and suggested a solution. The other two had no ideas except to somehow curb future immigrants, 80% of whom cannot be stopped as they are from the EEC. Most people seem to have real issues with the ones we already have. Seemingly those in the black market & crime cartels who pay no tax and create work for the police. Who, regardless of when they get caught get away with staying here because they have a child.

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What’s Brass and won’t work next week?






Gordon Browns front door Key!!!!!

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Seeing Tony Blair recently do an interview and then jokingly make sure he handed back his microphone to the TV crew made me laugh. Interesting poll results on here, I guess this forum is full of bigots :D

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LOL

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/pedant on

Number 10 doesnt have a front door key.

/pedant off

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Daniel Hannan is rabidly anti Europe. When I was a local councillor I got regular illiterate e-mail rants from him (had to block them in the end). I suspect it is only because he wants to continue to have Tory party backing that he hasn't joined UKIP.

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Then what's that yale key shaped circle to the left of the letterbox?

http://www.hmforces.co.uk/nfs/hmforc...ing-street.jpg

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That's used by the PM to p!ss on us. :(

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After watching last night farce with Cameron, making all these promises, which he won't keep, he is doing exactly what Thatcher promised, l would urge everyone to vote either Clegg or Brown.

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You have to admit. Clegg's got a point...

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:LOL: get real

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They all made promises they probably won't keep, it's called election campaigning. For me actually the biggest whoppers came from Brown and whatever nonsense you keep spouting about Thatcherism we're in for public services cuts of at very least a similar scale to her time thanks to honest Brown urinating away our money.

Nothing else shows up his economic 'experience' more than the levels of cuts that are required to the public sector he enlarged to make it affordable.

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Yes but we know what you're like Arthur, so the obvious best action for the nation is to vote Tory :D

How?

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What that article fails to point out, is that what Nick Clegg said last night does in fact fit with what the Lib Dem Manifesto openly says, because although the Manifesto does state:

http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...festo_2010.pdf

It then goes on to say:

... immediately followed by:

Both of which were pointed out by Nick Clegg, after David Cameron only mentioned the "in Britain's interest" part.

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The problem with joining the euro when economic conditions are right, is that conditions change and become wrong, by then it is way too late.

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Do elaborate please on why a Euro-Sceptic such as myself is 'nasty' and 'insular'. I'm unsure what's nasty or insular about wanting free trade, while retaining sovereignty in terms of laws of the land, financial independence and border controls.

Presumably you consider Norway 'nasty' and 'insular' also given they are part of the EEA (where we should maybe be though I'd prefer the bilateral agreements the Swiss have) but not the EU?

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Can anyone find a link to the German newspaper in question? Can't find it on Google but then I am not sure what to search under.

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Nasty is probably the wrong word, but I consider the British in general relatively insular. Which perhaps is not that surprising seeing they are Island people ;)

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Best I can find:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/elections/n...1272472225700A

Always nice to read what he actually said and in context:

He was talking in reference to being asking how many Tories were still pro-European. He then gave the above quote (after mentioning Ken Clark). So he didn't call British people nasty and insular. In fact he didn't even suggest all Tories were but rather the Tories who attempted, in Clegg's view, to sideline the pro-european members of their party.

So once again it's a quote taken out of context to smear Clegg. Although to be fair Hannan is not exactly in the Tory Mainstream.

I suggest people do consider the source before believing something otherwise I might as well just spend the remaining week posting links from the Daily Mirror.

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I'm looking at German language articles but can't find much so far.

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Given previous and indeed current experience is this surprising?

If we were not so insular we'd be getting tapped for potentially 20bn Euros to bail out Greece.

Sorry but I don't think we're insular, I do however think we've every right to be distressed at how power has been devolved away from our own elected government to one that makes a mockery of democracy in Brussels. If we were not so 'insular' we'd I speculate a similar level of control over our own affairs directly to US states. As it is we're merely slightly better off, though this is being worked on.

We are not France or Germany or the Netherlands, we are British. We have a totally different economy to the rest of Europe which is not compatible with the same management as those states and a totally different people.

If desiring sovereignty, self-determination and individualism rather than being just another one of the United States of Europe having pointless bureaucratic piece of excremental legalese covered paper after pointless bureaucratic piece of excremental legalese covered paper flowing from Brussels to keep the overpaid, expensive, grossly inefficient, self-interested and big state obsessed bureaucrats there in jobs makes me insular then sign me up.

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See above ;)

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Ig, it was a semi-humorous comment about general traits of the Brits compared to the rest of Europe. There's no need to get worked up.

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We need to regain our Empire. Then we can introduce a common currency. THE POUND!!! Whahaha! UK! UK! UK! UK! UK!

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Ah cheers. Nast thing, this context...

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Are you handing out the silly comment about nationalism because you don't actually have any argument or are we going to see some reasoned comments on why the view I suggested, that Europe is an expensive, undemocratic, self-serving bureaucracy that throws regulations born out of states whose economies built completely differently to the UK's at us is wrong?

Is Europe another of those issues like immigration where if you say something that's not the 'liberal' / politically correct way you are accused of being a racist / nationalist?

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Just because I felt like it and because I already addressed the story about Nick Clegg calling people who were Euro-Skeptic nasty and insular. I don't see the need to contribute to an argument started by yet another fake story from the Tory Press/MEP.

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That'll be a 'no' then.

EDIT: Stupid comments like that to be honest make you no better than the 'fake story' from the Tory Press. Kinda insulting to a lot of people, for example the majority of the British who would have voted against further European integration if we'd gotten a vote, that particular comment.

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The humour bypass was successful then?

No disrespect Ig, but it seems to me you're taking things a little too seriously tonight.

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I'm provoking discussion, and given the length of time Damien has been typing his reply I appear to have succeeded :)

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Thankfully good journalism is not the standard that is expected of me when I comment on a post, unfortunately it appears it is no longer expected of the journalists either.

My initial post was based on finding out the true context of the quote and posting it. I didn't care about the Europe issue, I wasn't following that trend of conversation. I cared on finding out if Nick Clegg really called people nasty and insular because they are Euro-sceptic which struck me as rather aggressive, sweeping and wrong. Then sure enough it turned out he didn't say that. I moved on. The Empire comment was a flippent remark aimed at no-one.

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Bah, ok, fair enough.

Normal service resumed on that note.

So, Gordon Brown's interview this evening, what a see you next Tuesday.

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I'll reply to your post anyway now.

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It seems to me his comment was meant to be humorous. There's no reason he should feel compelled to engage in a somewhat hyperbolic discussion on the pros and cons of Europe. ;)

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I don't completely disagree with this. It's quite clear that it is better that we maintain control on our currency and our economy. Isn't part of the problem with the Euro that states actually continue to have quite a bit of control and thus make a single currency difficult to maintain as it is subject to a lot of differing factors.

Either way. I don't support joining the Euro.

I do support some of the things the EU does bring though. I think the freedom of movement across Europe is good, the freedom to work where you want is good, increased cooperation between law enforcements is good. I think where we can we should be closer with the EU, there are a lot of benefits. I suspect a few of our members who work here but are of a different EU nationality will agree with that?

The EU suffers from being bureaucratic, large and inefficient but that is an argument to reform the way it works rather than the benefits it brings?

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I read that The Guardian is telling people to go for CLEGG.

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I thought they would go Labour. Oh well. I liked their article explaining the choice:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...oment-has-come

I agree with some of that. My ideal is a Tory Minority government who concede to the Liberal Democrats on matters of voting reform, civil liberties, and science in return for a partnership.

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I thought a newspaper wasn't supposed to tell its readers to go for anyone? I thought The Grauniad criticises The Sun for telling people to vote Tory?

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They meant labour but in true grauniad tradition they got the spelling wrong :D

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Bureaucracies serve themselves, and so much of the EU is relatively socialist and 'big government' relative to the UK. I don't really see how the scenario you describe could happen leaving only one solution. Small and strongly socialist nations get to wield disproportionate power in the EU through bonding with other smaller and like-minded nations while outside of it they wield none. I don't want to see the UK fall further into socialism. It's also my conviction that the EU are authoritarian in their own right, note their total disdain for referendum decisions within nations and the campaigns to either force 'yes' votes with Euro heavyweights wading in in the case of Ireland or evading referenda entirely as in the case of the UK, with Lady Ashton well rewarded for her efforts in subjugating opposition with her new position.

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Heh you're kidding right? :D

It was very obvious The Guardian were going to go that way, as obvious as the Mail going to Cameron.

The major newspapers all have a very clear agenda and have all announced their support. So long as they give decent explanations why IMHO that's all good.

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I think they criticise The Sun for the style of all out campaigning, such as filling the paper with pro-Tory stories and anti-Clegg/Brown stories. The Guardian had no problem reporting that Cameron won the debate. The Sun printed Cameron had won last week when almost every other poll gave it to Clegg etc.

There is a difference between editorialising (which is what the Guardian, Times, Telegraph do) and turning the paper into a propaganda machine. Look at the stories at The Sun for example: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/election2010/

Although I agree that it would be better if papers didn't back anyone, it's an odd thing.

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What he said. The Sun and The Mirror are both low quality toilet paper and their propaganda campaigns are distasteful in the extreme.

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The Torygraph wasn't exactly above reproach last week either, though they didn't manage to sink to the depths of the likes of the **** and the Daily Fail.

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GB on Paxman tonight.

Asked a question - answered "Let me be clear", then was everything but.........

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Let's have a quick distraction from the partisan side of things and see where we stand, get your Political Compass out :D

Zero surprises at all for me, pretty much smack in the middle economically, just a healthy dose of 'Leave me the fsck alone' :D

http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...0.25&soc=-5.85

http://www.politicalcompass.org/face...0.25&soc=-5.85

EDIT: I found this a useful exercise as it put a neat focus into why I feel the way I do and why I'll vote the way I will, and my reasons are largely selfish.

1) I don't want to pay higher taxes to finance a massive debt.
2) I don't want to pass said debt on to our children.
3) I don't want big government as I consider it intrusive, unnecessary and a waste of my money funding it (see points 1 and 2 and that my overwhelming slant is Libertarian)
4) I'm not convinced (yet) that the Lib Dems will do the necessary, which precludes them despite their good record on civil rights. I think they also violate my point 3) due to their 'heritage' in the far-left at one point and more recently centre-left. They need to convince me that they can be responsible with our money, which they may well get the chance to do in the next Parliament, if they do they have my vote next term wherever.
5) I am utterly positive that Labour won't do the necessary for the economy, and they are authoritarian with it.

I'm pulled economically left by a strong social conscience and a realistic view that big business are *******s with zero conscience, I'm pulled right through Libertarian fiscal conservatism and a dislike for big government, leaving me about in the middle.

I'm voting for my candidate because he's a good MP, not his party. If it were PR my vote would be different.

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I've done it before, may be worth digging out the post.

However, I find this amusing:

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Official. Labour and Lib Dems are more right-wing than the BNP.

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The BNP are authoritarian, not right-wing economically.

Anyway stuff that let's see how we compare amongst ourselves.

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Some of the BNP's economic policy, if you can call it that, is actually quite socialist isn't it? Presumably as a way of tapping into disaffected, working class, Labour voters?

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Hardly official. Some bloke's knocked up a 'test' and put it online. That doesn't make it accurate.

Anyway, here's li'l old me.

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There needs to be a 'Undecided or I Don't Know' option on that test.

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This one for example:

I agree but that doesn't mean it's a thing I approve of!?

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http://www.politicalcompass.org/face...1.62&soc=-3.74

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It was a joke :erm:

I thought the questions were nonsense but the result wasn't far off what I expected:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/face...2.25&soc=-0.31

The right/left is about correct, but i'm suprised i'm not more libertarian.

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If you don't approve of it I'd have thought you wouldn't see it as an 'advantage'. I regard it as being a long way from an advantage as it's totalitarian (no debate 'delaying' progress!) so it got a very strenuous disagreement from me.

See your point that it may need reading twice but that's how I read it.

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Pardon me, kind Sir. :)

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Pardoned ;)

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No real surprises for me.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/face...6.50&soc=-6.62

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They would need to have a go at the local paper too. In depth interview with DC but barely a sentence on anyone else.

As for my political compass - Similar to Damien but I could just never vote Green (our local lot are somewhat rabid).

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has anybody read this twoddle from Griffin :D

link

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Newspapers don't have any obligation to be impartial, even during an election. It's only the broadcast media that has that restriction.

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No real surprises for me, but strangely enough, I vote Tory (but I was a member of the TRG, which is regarded as a bit "wet" - just goes to show "one size" does not fit all....)

http://www.politicalcompass.org/face...2.12&soc=-4.77

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I am Ghandi ... :spin:

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My point was the hypocrisy from the paper and its readership.

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And I again point to the difference between what The Sun and Mirror do compared to what The Times and The Guardian do. The only way you can make a charge of hypocrisy is if you ignore those differences and ignore what was actually said.

I don't think the Guardian criticized The Sun for having a editorial preference for the Tories, although they obviously disagree with the choice, they attacked the fact that The Sun has been suppressing polls which are not favorable. They have been doing only positive news items with regards to the Tories and negative stories when handling the other parties.

At the last debate The Sun claimed Cameron smashed it, even though all the other polls disagreed. The Guardian had no problem saying he won, nor agreeing with the verdict that he won. Same with The Times (who support the Tories) had no problem with saying Clegg or Brown did well.

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I had to vote undecided.

I have never before been in this position, but the candidates in my area give me very little choice. I am clear that I don't want Labour, but a vote for Conservative here is a waste.

In the last local elections the 80 years of Labour dominance was defeated by the independents. The answer from Labour was a back-hander offer giving them seats on committees for a nice sum of money as long as Labour could be left in power.

The Labour offering would never get my vote
Lib would never get my vote
Plaid would never get my vote
Conservative is a wasted vote
The Independent is well meaning but not up to the job
The BNP member does not even live in the area

My vote will be not so much as a choice of who I want, but very much a vote to keep Labour out.

As they say in the Welsh valleys, stick a red flag up a donkeys bum and the clueless ex-miners will vote for him.

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Insular, yes, nasty, no......

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Hmmmm.......

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Heckler thrown out of Gordon Brown event - BBC

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Greeks continue to take the idea of public services cuts well.

Be interesting to see how we react in the UK when they happen given that even Labour can't hide from them forever.

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Indeed.

Having an editorial in favour of one party over another is hardly the same as turning a newspaper into, what appears to be IMO, a propaganda machine for one party.

I read The Guardian & The Independent. Sometimes I'll read The Times & the Daily Telegraph. I know that, regardless of editorials & comment pieces, at least I'll get real news from them all. No way I'd rely on any of the tabloids for any kind of news though, especially during an election, whether they're on the Left (Mirror) or Right (Sun, Mail, Express).

Speaking of the Media, & the Murdoch Media in particular, these are interesting...

James Murdoch & Rebekah Wade (now Rebekah Brooks) recently stormed into the offices of the Independent's Editor-in-Chief Simon Kelner:

http://www.newser.com/off-the-grid/p...e-britain.html

...While the Political Editor of The Sun was recently heard saying "It is my job to see that Cameron <F Word> well gets into Downing Street".

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Here's a load of rubbish in a leaflet that came through my door.
blaming the tories for the mess they've been in control of for the past numerous years.

She also says.
it'll only take 800 people who voted Labour last time to change their mind and I will lose.

Megaphone time again me think "VOTE CONSERVATIVE!" :)

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Or an excellent lesson in how to firm up the opposition/undecided Labour vote. :rofl: Total own goal there.

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personally and i have been saying to friends i think some in the conservative party have been trying to loose this election, that all of them feel this way now

see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7gX_WdWJuI

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If I didn't have to live here I'd almost be happy to see Labour get in for another term. That would make absolutely certain that they'd never be electable again in my lifetime.

But I do, so the idea of more NuLabour pc newspeak, lies and financial incompetence is just too much to bear.

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Unfortunately there is too much that urgently needs to be unpicked ... not least the awful, awful ID card scheme which many seem to have forgotten about but which we will be stuck with forever if Labour has any sort of influence in the next Government. I'd love to see Labour render itself unelectable for a generation but the need to do away with them now, rather than holding fire for another 5 years, is just too great.

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It's true what the heckler is saying though - Gordon only appearing to be seen in public with Labour party activists - giving the impression he is engaging with normal public crowds.

If it's one thing this election campaign has shown, Gordon Brown is the worst campaigner I have ever seen - if not the most unelectable human being on the planet.

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Mick, all too many people would vote for a turd if it was wearing a NeoLiebour rosette.... :erm:

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It's for show. I believe the door to No 10 can only be opened from the inside.

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quite correct, it's also made of bomb proof steel ;)

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And is a reinforced structure designed to be bomb and bulletproof, replaced at the height of the Irish troubles.

lol, 'snap' martyh..

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bet ya don't know whats inscribed on the letter plate ...no googling :)

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if only :D

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Did they use those wonderful anti-terrorism laws again..?

More bad news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8656353.stm

So the apology wasn't just about Brown being genuinely sorry and the public display of forgiveness was his idea - what a surprise that is... :rolleyes:

Now I think we know why Brown was in there so long. I wonder if she has twist marks on her arms.......

Oh and another embarrassment (albeit relatively minor) on the immigration front:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...nd/8655867.stm

:D

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You can imagine the scene on may 7th can't you the new pm standing outside number 10 with negotiators trying to talk gordon out as he sent everyone home for a rest and will not open the door :).

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Something to do with Lord of the Treasury?

Dosn't the PM live next door in No 11 as well? No 10 is just the official offices / cabinet rooms?

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correct "first lord of the treasury" which of course the prime minister is first and foremost

not sure about living in no11 but i do know that no10 is made up of 3 seperate houses joined together so you may be right

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do you think he's watching beat the bailiff to get some tips :D

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The PM normally lives in No. 10, & the Chancellor at No. 11.

Blair & Brown swapped, though, as the size of the residence at No. 11 was better suited to Blair's family.